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[perhaps he is writing up his next "poor Sean Johnston" piece]

So much coverage of games outside the top counties is woeful. A massive proportion of coverage by anyone other than local journalists is generic rubbish pieced together from match reports. Jack Brady hasn't played as an inside forward for Cavan since the All Ireland Final in 2011.

Myles do you think will Peter change the starting team much? The subs were excellent against Monaghan, this was often the case in previous years too but Terry always favoured consistency in his starting side.

They don't have a report on the Cavan Down in todays online Indo. Breheny is probably too busy writing his next excellent list entitled "top 20 players ever who won wearing odd socks" or perhaps he is writing up his next "poor Sean Johnston" piece.

if you were any good he would have stayed.

thought this thread was about a lovely girls competition until i reread it again!

great to see our lads getting a head of steam up. fair play to them.

watched the secret in their eyes on bbciplayer this week and loved it. will be on the iplayer until the 7th apr.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rr3tv/The_Secret_in_Their_Eyes/

whose responsibility?  Anyone in the community can do this.

the economics/trade has to be freed up... won't happen without a new agreement though. and yes, the agreement will have to be politically created, somehow, but getting that agreement to last will take a social and cultural shifting of attitudes about the others. it'll be a very fleeting agreement yet again otherwise and won't be maintained longterm unless that work and investment in communities continues.

[A lot of the asd is systematic and part of Israeli bureaucracy.]

agreed on the jewish trauma, and i don't disagree that there's an imbalance of power too. but that power and trauma are not the only factors. to keep that type of oppression going, to hate the oppressed, and for the oppressed to hate the oppressor so much too, it also takes affective social distancing to create a particular type of collective consciousness. politicians, leaders of paramilitary groups, people not involved in either of those activities, we're all equally as vulnerable to the influence that asd can have too. it's a very powerful phenomena. 

without the affective social distancing, social groups can't hate each other enough to do the things we're talking about. the power itself doesn't make those things happen. it's why south africa didn't descend into a bloodbath when mandela was released and when the anc came to power. they didn't do the affective social distancing, in fact they went out of their way to humanise it all with the truth and reconciliation process

Israel is still at the apartheid stage. So kids are still being indoctrinated about how savage the Palestinians are. Maybe that is where SA was in 1975 or so. Israel does not allow its Jewish citizen to marry Palestinians. A lot of the asd is systematic and part of Israeli bureaucracy.   
They don't even call them "Palestinians" in Israel. They are just Arabs. 
Very few Jews live with Palestinians. you have 2 populations kept deliberately apart.
So of course there is asd.

But what are the Palestinians supposed to do now Israel has decided there won't be a Palestinian state ?

you know as well as i do that asd happens in both social groups and it's how the mindset needed in order to stone someone to death is created, and it's how the mindset needed in order to consider people rats is created. it's not all doom and gloom though, there are large numbers of people over there who are appalled by what is happening and who want to improve this.

the difficult task for moderates on both sides is to try to pull those in their communites back from what they're doing and to build relationships with each other and to work towards creating as many positive relationships as they can. without this happening, any political solution tried will be viewed with suspicious, and there'll be antagonism, and the alternative all runs the risk of not having the longevity people desire. it's not an easy task by any means dealing with the pain and anger that both communities have done to each another, but unless the myths of otherness asd creates are overturned, it's going nowhere fast.

Are you aware it was ballbag above that called Palestinians "rats". A fine Nazi type term which brings to mind extermination of this sub human rat like people to cleanse the world of vermin. What sort of social conditioning made Ballbag hate Palestinians you might wonder, what in his past would make him hate so much people he doesn't know. I wonder did those that did this wrong to Ballbag hate him with the same fury as he hates now. Anyhow, this sad case will be used by evil men to justify more evil acts and evil words as Ballbag has just demonstrated.

yes i am aware he called palestinians rats. that's why i posted. i think the point of it all is that we're none of us immune from viewing and treating others appallingly. affective social distance, the process, it perpetuates the reasoning that justifies the oppressive and awful behaviour. but it's also the method too. red, white and blue kerbs, murals on the walls, these create the otherness and justify the social distance at the same time. it happens everywhere, not just in israel. sadly we don't always opt for the healthier social processes.

[A lot of the asd is systematic and part of Israeli bureaucracy.]

agreed on the jewish trauma, and i don't disagree that there's an imbalance of power too. but that power and trauma are not the only factors. to keep that type of oppression going, to hate the oppressed, and for the oppressed to hate the oppressor so much too, it also takes affective social distancing to create a particular type of collective consciousness. politicians, leaders of paramilitary groups, people not involved in either of those activities, we're all equally as vulnerable to the influence that asd can have too. it's a very powerful phenomena. 

without the affective social distancing, social groups can't hate each other enough to do the things we're talking about. the power itself doesn't make those things happen. it's why south africa didn't descend into a bloodbath when mandela was released and when the anc came to power. they didn't do the affective social distancing, in fact they went out of their way to humanise it all with the truth and reconciliation process

Israel is still at the apartheid stage. So kids are still being indoctrinated about how savage the Palestinians are. Maybe that is where SA was in 1975 or so. Israel does not allow its Jewish citizen to marry Palestinians. A lot of the asd is systematic and part of Israeli bureaucracy.   
They don't even call them "Palestinians" in Israel. They are just Arabs. 
Very few Jews live with Palestinians. you have 2 populations kept deliberately apart.
So of course there is asd.

But what are the Palestinians supposed to do now Israel has decided there won't be a Palestinian state ?

you know as well as i do that asd happens in both social groups and it's how the mindset needed in order to stone someone to death is created, and it's how the mindset needed in order to consider people rats is created. it's not all doom and gloom though, there are large numbers of people over there who are appalled by what is happening and who want to improve this.

the difficult task for moderates on both sides is to try to pull those in their communites back from what they're doing and to build relationships with each other and to work towards creating as many positive relationships as they can. without this happening, any political solution tried will be viewed with suspicious, and there'll be antagonism, and the alternative all runs the risk of not having the longevity people desire. it's not an easy task by any means dealing with the pain and anger that both communities have done to each another, but unless the myths of otherness asd creates are overturned, it's going nowhere fast.

Most Palestinians are not involved in violence. They just try to manage difficult lives.
Israel is the problem. It takes a lot of indoctrination to turn a 4 year old into an occupation soldier 14 years later. I think Israel has to change.   Nobody asked Israel to occupy Gaza and the West Bank.

It's all bound up too with the mythology of Zionism- that the land is all Jewish land, that the Palestinians have no right to be there. And the economics of the space where Jews earn on average 20 times what Palestinians do. That is systematic.
But you won't get change unless Israeli Jews want to change.

Imagine the trauma the kids go through on both sides. It is so pointless.

yep, israel is a powerful, militarised country, much more powerful that than palestine. winning an argument about that on it's own just means that those immoderates in israel might respond, yeh so?! the palestinians stone our children to death so they deserve everything they get from us. we're still in the entrenched position. the moral high ground claimed by both sides doesn't change anything. nothing shifts.

of course it's about rights, equality and anti-oppression, but that type of social change takes social and cultural solutions as well as political ones. politics on their own can't fix what's happened. rarely does. purely from a sociological perspective, it's helpful for people to understand the social processes that play a big part in getting them into the mess they get into. ignoring the power issue for a moment is helpful, because once you know what the asd is, you can take measures to lessen the harm it has. raising people's awareness of asd processes has it's benefits. awareness plays an important part of the aul' interactive social distancing process and changes how some people think. important to get in there at the coal face. make an impact, change people's perceptions... if i don't have an alternative way of looking at the world other than the one that supports my social group above all others, it's less likely i can reject this perspective of the world that i've been taught.

[The IRFU said the decision was made after a in-depth review carried out by the National Team Review Group. The group will now begin the process of "identifying suitable candidates" for the job.]

Who is on the National Team Review Group ?



Declan Kidney's tenure as Ireland head coach has come to an end.

The IRFU announced this afternoon that it would not be renewing his contract - Les Kiss will take charge of the summer tour to North America.

Kidney's contract was due to expire on 30 June but the IRFU issued a statement this afternoon saying that his role as head coach ceases today.

"We would like to sincerely thank Declan for his commitment to Irish Rugby" - Philip Browne

IRFU chief executive Philip Browne said: "We would like to sincerely thank Declan for his commitment to Irish Rugby.

"His contribution and involvement across the spectrum of Irish rugby delivered Under Age, Provincial, Grand Slam and Triple Crown success, and epitomises his passion, belief and commitment to the game.

"With a host of new and emerging talent at every level, and despite the clear challenges ahead, we are confident of securing another world-class coach to work with this talented and ambitious group of players."

The IRFU said the decision was made after a in-depth review carried out by the National Team Review Group.

The group will now begin the process of "identifying suitable candidates" for the job.

the national team review group may well be a hastily convened thing to give kidney a fair appraisal, or make it appear like he's been given a fair appraisal, as far as his performance goes. everyone knows he's getting the road after the results this 6n. i suppose there has to be some semblance of decorum to proceedings before they sacked him.

my own opinion on ireland's woes is that they have become narcissistic, believing in the golden generation media hype bs.. much like eng did for years in the mid to late 90s before that squad got their house in order. a wee bit of humility goes a long way and there was an arrogance about this ireland team that stopped me really warming to them as much as i wanted to. the problem we have is we don't have a large enough pool of quality players to be able to ditch the old lad who's acting like he's hot shit all the time without producing the performances consistently.

i'd rather we lost showing a level of humility rather than think we're top drawer and bemoan the golden generation getting beat yet again, how could this possibly happen to the golden generation? oh, it must be the coach's fault.

players were never good enough in the first place.

Looking at it with a GAA hat on, if the players had been from Kilkenny or Kerry with that noblesse oblige mentality they would have won maybe 3 or 4 GS.
It was more like Armagh or Wexford . One title and they knew a few slipped  away. Players learn how to win. It  is not written in stone to always be the bridesmaid.

Seb Coe said it about the Ashes in 05. The Aussies wouldn't have gone around in an open top bus. That is why they win in the last minutes of matches. Ireland were never that ruthless. But there are teams in Ireland that are.

bod was class, but since his first game in 1999, ireland have one slam, wales four, england four and france five. after 2003 eng were rubbish, wales and france were not miles ahead of us either, but we still only have the one slam. we've never beaten a southern hemisphere side down there either. came close the odd time, but we've had some almighty humpings.

it's rarified air the top and ireland got closer than we ever have to it with the noughties team. but we had plenty time to get there and couldn't do it. it's not a coaching failure. despite all the proclaimations that we were, we just weren't good enough i think.   

[A lot of the asd is systematic and part of Israeli bureaucracy.]

agreed on the jewish trauma, and i don't disagree that there's an imbalance of power too. but that power and trauma are not the only factors. to keep that type of oppression going, to hate the oppressed, and for the oppressed to hate the oppressor so much too, it also takes affective social distancing to create a particular type of collective consciousness. politicians, leaders of paramilitary groups, people not involved in either of those activities, we're all equally as vulnerable to the influence that asd can have too. it's a very powerful phenomena. 

without the affective social distancing, social groups can't hate each other enough to do the things we're talking about. the power itself doesn't make those things happen. it's why south africa didn't descend into a bloodbath when mandela was released and when the anc came to power. they didn't do the affective social distancing, in fact they went out of their way to humanise it all with the truth and reconciliation process

Israel is still at the apartheid stage. So kids are still being indoctrinated about how savage the Palestinians are. Maybe that is where SA was in 1975 or so. Israel does not allow its Jewish citizen to marry Palestinians. A lot of the asd is systematic and part of Israeli bureaucracy.   
They don't even call them "Palestinians" in Israel. They are just Arabs. 
Very few Jews live with Palestinians. you have 2 populations kept deliberately apart.
So of course there is asd.

But what are the Palestinians supposed to do now Israel has decided there won't be a Palestinian state ?

you know as well as i do that asd happens in both social groups and it's how the mindset needed in order to stone someone to death is created, and it's how the mindset needed in order to consider people rats is created. it's not all doom and gloom though, there are large numbers of people over there who are appalled by what is happening and who want to improve this.

the difficult task for moderates on both sides is to try to pull those in their communites back from what they're doing and to build relationships with each other and to work towards creating as many positive relationships as they can. without this happening, any political solution tried will be viewed with suspicious, and there'll be antagonism, and the alternative all runs the risk of not having the longevity people desire. it's not an easy task by any means dealing with the pain and anger that both communities have done to each another, but unless the myths of otherness asd creates are overturned, it's going nowhere fast.

[Detainee dies of heart attack at Gaza prison]

Maybe those fiendish Israelis gave him cancer. 

Maybe some deaths in custody are more worthy of protest than others.

Detainee dies of heart attack at Gaza prison


Published yesterday (updated) 02/04/2013 17:35


GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Sami Hamdan Qishta, 50, died on Monday of a heart attack in a prison in southern Gaza, the Hamas government in control of the enclave announced.

Qishta was detained in a Rafah jail on charges related to financial crimes, the Gaza ministry of interior said in a statement.

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I demand an independent public enquiry to get to the bottom of allegations that this man was tortured by Israeli Hamas thugs.

Tortured to death. It hardly matters which side did it. It's reprehensible.
But of course BDB will use it to justify whatever the latest Israeli atrocity is because the other side are not fully human.

and, equally, the affective social distancing that is created on the palestinian side is equally as socially harmful. in order to carry out an act like stone another person to death, the person doing that has to have the same conceptions about the others being lesser, and even inhuman as you say.

you want hatred, prejudice and murderous slaughter, get yourself some affective social distancing. that'll do it for you.

Israel runs the system. Palestinians  have no choice but to live in it.
The power imbalance is grotesque.

I think the Israelis never dealt with the Holocaust.
We often hear about the 6 million but do we understand how barbaric it was in practice ?


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/dec/20/hitlers-logical-holocaust/?pagination=false&printpage=true

"But what of the quarter-million or so Polish Jews who somehow escaped the gassing, and who sought help among Poles in 1943, 1944, and 1945? Gross, along with Jan Grabowski and Barbara Engelking, records the undeniable fact that most of these people were murdered as well, perhaps half of them by Poles (following German policy and law) rather than by Germans.

Together, these Polish historians make two essential arguments that help us to understand the workings of deliberate Nazi persecution after the destruction of the Polish state. One is the continuity of personnel and of obedience. In general the Polish police continued to function, now taking orders from the Germans. Whereas in 1938 their job included preventing pogroms in independent Poland, in 1942 they were ordered to hunt down Jews. Second, local governments could be mobilized to capture Jews who had escaped the gas chambers. Poles in a given area were named as hostages, to be punished if a hunt for Jews failed. Local leaders were personally responsible for keeping their districts free of Jews, and could easily be denounced if they failed to do so. In the event of a successful hunt for Jews, local leaders were responsible for the distribution of Jewish property.4

"Peasants in the countryside, as Engelking and Grabowski demonstrate, were unconcerned with protecting the reputation of the Polish nation (with which they likely did not identify), but obsessed with their position relative to their neighbors.5 Peasants figure in all of these books as competitive, jealous, and concerned above all with property. Under German occupation, peasants regularly denounced one another to the Germans on all conceivable pretexts. This "epidemic of denunciations," as Grabowski puts it, made the prospect of rescuing a Jew from the German policy of destruction extremely difficult. Peasants noticed when a neighboring family was collecting more food, keeping different hours, or even bringing home a newspaper. All of these were signs that a Jew was being hidden, and led to denunciations which had overlapping motives: desire for the property of the Jews and those hiding them, and fear of collective German reprisals.
In this situation, as Engelking observes, it was highly irrational for Polish peasants to help Jews: "in the case of Jews seeking aid the costs of refusing them were zero, and the costs of helping them were enormous." As she and Grabowski both show, very often Poles acted as if they were rescuers, took the Jews' money, and then turned them in to the police. In Grabowski's study of dozens of cases of rescue and betrayal, he found that the Jews who were rescued rather than betrayed were precisely those who found their way to people who were not thinking of personal gain. This also holds of course for Poles such as Jan Karski and Witold Pilecki who voluntarily entered, respectively, the Warsaw ghetto and Auschwitz.6 As Grabowski is careful to stress, there were such people in the county he investigates, and throughout occupied Poland. Engelking recalls Wacław Szpura, who baked bread three times every night for the thirty-two Jews he rescued."

That sort of trauma does not leave a population in 3 generations

agreed on the jewish trauma, and i don't disagree that there's an imbalance of power too. but that power and trauma are not the only factors. to keep that type of oppression going, to hate the oppressed, and for the oppressed to hate the oppressor so much too, it also takes affective social distancing to create a particular type of collective consciousness. politicians, leaders of paramilitary groups, people not involved in either of those activities, we're all equally as vulnerable to the influence that asd can have too. it's a very powerful phenomena. 

without the affective social distancing, social groups can't hate each other enough to do the things we're talking about. the power itself doesn't make those things happen. it's why south africa didn't descend into a bloodbath when mandela was released and when the anc came to power. they didn't do the affective social distancing, in fact they went out of their way to humanise it all with the truth and reconciliation process.

[Detainee dies of heart attack at Gaza prison]

Maybe those fiendish Israelis gave him cancer. 

Maybe some deaths in custody are more worthy of protest than others.

Detainee dies of heart attack at Gaza prison


Published yesterday (updated) 02/04/2013 17:35


GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Sami Hamdan Qishta, 50, died on Monday of a heart attack in a prison in southern Gaza, the Hamas government in control of the enclave announced.

Qishta was detained in a Rafah jail on charges related to financial crimes, the Gaza ministry of interior said in a statement.

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I demand an independent public enquiry to get to the bottom of allegations that this man was tortured by Israeli Hamas thugs.

Tortured to death. It hardly matters which side did it. It's reprehensible.
But of course BDB will use it to justify whatever the latest Israeli atrocity is because the other side are not fully human.

and, equally, the affective social distancing that is created on the palestinian side is equally as socially harmful. in order to carry out an act like stone another person to death, the person doing that has to have the same conceptions about the others being lesser, and even inhuman as you say.

you want hatred, prejudice and murderous slaughter, get yourself some affective social distancing. that'll do it for you.

 

[Conviction in Terror Murder of Father and Son]

Settlers deserve it, don't they?


Conviction in Terror Murder of Father and Son

PA resident convicted of the murder of Asher Palmer and his infant son Yonatan.


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By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 4/2/2013, 6:42 PM




Asher and Yonatan Palmer



Courtesy of Palmer family


Palestinian Authority resident terrorist Wael Salaman Mohammed el-Arjeh, of Hevron, has been convicted of two counts of murder in the deaths of Asher and Yonatan Palmer.

He will be sentenced in the upcoming days. Arjeh is facing life in prison.

Arjeh took part in an attack in which large stones were hurled at the Palmers' car. A stone hit Asher Palmer, who was driving, in the face.

The injured Palmer lost control of the car, possibly after losing consciousness, resulting in a crash in which both he and baby Yonatan were killed. Yonatan was two days shy of his first birthday.

Asher had been on his way to pick up his pregnant wife, Pua, from her job in Jerusalem. Pua gave birth to a baby girl five months after the murders, and named her daughter Orit, meaning "light."

The trial was attended by United States representatives due to the fact that Asher had U.S. citizenship.

Asher's father Michael expressed satisfaction with the verdict, telling Arutz Sheva, "Justice has come to light. This has been one of the hardest times of my life, as I fought to ensure my son and grandson's murderers would be punished."

Military court judges will give a verdict next month in the case of a second PA resident terrorist accused of taking part in the attack.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/166701

The "man" convicted of this attack was not a member of any organisation and is what can only be described as a civilian, so please spare me the outrage when any of these "civilians" are injured or killed by Israeli gunfire the next time they throw rocks at cars. They are trying to murder children and deserve all they get. RATS.

awful terrible story.

but what it reminds me of is affective social distancing, that goes on in ireland too... you know, the kerb stones painted red, white and blue, murals on the houses, both groups creating separate identities for themselves that are tied up in how different and better they are than the other group. the other group are beasts, cowards and killers, but we're not that. it's never our fault. we're the righteous and we're only defending ourselves against those oppressors over there. for both sides, what sort of a homeland is it that's worth the level of human cost we've seen? i'm sorry, but i don't understand positioning myself morally in those terms. it's obscene and one of the most depressing things about human nature, that capacity to hate with an anger and hatred that comes from this type of perverted moral conviction that sees the others as not even human. 

[The IRFU said the decision was made after a in-depth review carried out by the National Team Review Group. The group will now begin the process of "identifying suitable candidates" for the job.]

Who is on the National Team Review Group ?



Declan Kidney's tenure as Ireland head coach has come to an end.

The IRFU announced this afternoon that it would not be renewing his contract - Les Kiss will take charge of the summer tour to North America.

Kidney's contract was due to expire on 30 June but the IRFU issued a statement this afternoon saying that his role as head coach ceases today.

"We would like to sincerely thank Declan for his commitment to Irish Rugby" - Philip Browne

IRFU chief executive Philip Browne said: "We would like to sincerely thank Declan for his commitment to Irish Rugby.

"His contribution and involvement across the spectrum of Irish rugby delivered Under Age, Provincial, Grand Slam and Triple Crown success, and epitomises his passion, belief and commitment to the game.

"With a host of new and emerging talent at every level, and despite the clear challenges ahead, we are confident of securing another world-class coach to work with this talented and ambitious group of players."

The IRFU said the decision was made after a in-depth review carried out by the National Team Review Group.

The group will now begin the process of "identifying suitable candidates" for the job.

the national team review group may well be a hastily convened thing to give kidney a fair appraisal, or make it appear like he's been given a fair appraisal, as far as his performance goes. everyone knows he's getting the road after the results this 6n. i suppose there has to be some semblance of decorum to proceedings before they sacked him.

my own opinion on ireland's woes is that they have become narcissistic, believing in the golden generation media hype bs.. much like eng did for years in the mid to late 90s before that squad got their house in order. a wee bit of humility goes a long way and there was an arrogance about this ireland team that stopped me really warming to them as much as i wanted to. the problem we have is we don't have a large enough pool of quality players to be able to ditch the old lad who's acting like he's hot shit all the time without producing the performances consistently.

i'd rather we lost showing a level of humility rather than think we're top drawer and bemoan the golden generation getting beat yet again, how could this possibly happen to the golden generation? oh, it must be the coach's fault.

players were never good enough in the first place.

Update for you Cadence...

http://gaeliclife.com/fantasyfootball/leaderboard.php

nice one. mid table.. if i can finish top 500 i'll be happy with that.

For God sake lads, 'Mike Sheehy' is a troll account by someone who divines far too much fun from winding suckers up. I dare you to look through his post history and find a single one that isn't insulting or overly combative. I'd doubt he's even from Kerry and if he is he's Pat Spillane.

all true, but it's dull as f**k when he's not around bless him.