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People are saying sack the manager etc, surely he will resign/go at the end of the year anyway but that isn't the point.

There is something seriously wrong in Cavan football. Without question we got the easiest draw we possibley could have for the 2nd year in a row. Carr is in the job 2 years now, what have we got to show for it? Being knocked of the Ulster Championship at home to Fermanagh and losing to Antrim in a semi final. Things have got to the stage were we are a long way behind Antrim. Antrim for god sake!

I don't care what anyone says, that line up today is filled with alot of absolutely average players who are not county standard. The fact is we have about 6-7 good players and after that the standard is very poor.

Nesty
Givney
Jelly
Sheridan
Gunner
Brennan
McGuigan

7 players there that I would say are definitely as good as most other counties around our level. After that in opinion the level is absolutely dire.

When is the last time Mackey performed in a Cavan jersey? Not upto it, too light and not good enough corner forward.

Flanagan,McKeever two guys who contributed nothing. Don't care what Flanagan has done for his Dublin college, what has he done for Cavan? 

Where are they guys who defended Galligan?

I'm sorry but we are a stage when lads like those mentioned above are FIXTURES in the county team. Regular starters every year, and yet fail to deliver come Championship time.

Others like Cahill, Reilly the GK, Clare, Mossy Corr, Martin Reilly. Defend them all you want they were not upto standard today and most of them aren't up to standard at all.

The fact is, the manager may not be the best but the players are just not there and have not been for several years.

I've seen those comments Put it Up.  I know the names of the "kids" involved.  Most of them just taking the piss.
It is pathetic though that they can get away with it. Anyway a few people are getting wound up, I wouldn't pay any attention it is just lads trying to get to people.

As one of them said, none of them would say it to his face that is damn sure. And if they did spout some of that bollocks I can picture what would happen to them...

Ah I don't care whether they are joking or not - it is just bad form. Would love to see any of them little runts try live the life of a county footballer. I guarantee you, not too many of them went to many league games either. Just pisses me off.

But yeah I would like to a see all them wee boys try take on Ray in the imperial at the same time. Then again I would presume they are in the Lavey or the Farnham

Definitely. 

It's all point scoring with them. They see it as a chance to put down another club and gain one up on someone else.

I've seen those comments Put it Up.  I know the names of the "kids" involved.  Most of them just taking the piss.
It is pathetic though that they can get away with it. Anyway a few people are getting wound up, I wouldn't pay any attention it is just lads trying to get to people.

As one of them said, none of them would say it to his face that is damn sure. And if they did spout some of that bollocks I can picture what would happen to them...

The most boring game of the championship. Will anyone watch it?

I would for Seanie Johnson. Probably one of the top 3 naturally talented forwards in Ulster.

Considering most of the games in Ulster so far have poor, I doubt this will be that boring.

Monaghan-Derry probably the worst game I seen in years.

. He might be a great midfielder at club level but there is a massive difference between being a good midfielder at division 2 club football and Ulster Championship football.

Funny enough you are talking about Cullivan here but it could also be applied to Galligan. Except maybe replaced good with average.

No point beating around the bush. I have nothing against the guy, just an opinion on his football ability.

I don't like to slag off players but lets be honest our midfield is a disgrace for county level. We are basically depending on Givney tomorrow, a 20 year old.

Ciaran Galligan is a joke, Walsh is just an agitator and Mulvey has had plenty of chances already.

I don't know about anyone else but I would have stuck Cullivan in there ahead of Galligan. Cullivan may be short but he has an amazing jump. At least he can run and can catch a ball.

We won't know the reasons but maybe he feels hard done by when he sees inferior players starting ahead of him.

Totally uncalled for stupid Hoganstand-esque comment. Galligan by all accounts is a dedicated lad, is fit and tries his best. Cullivan is a player I admire but is short short inches for midfield but he would have played a part on Saturday he had stayed on the panel. I hope if he reads this forum he might reconsider as this is a serious step he is taking.

Come on now, dedicated, fit and tries his best. If that is the best anyone can come up with it says it all.
This is the Ulster Championship not some division 3 club game.

He isn't up to it. If any half decent team played us they would walk over us in midfield.

I don't like to slag off players but lets be honest our midfield is a disgrace for county level. We are basically depending on Givney tomorrow, a 20 year old.

Ciaran Galligan is a joke, Walsh is just an agitator and Mulvey has had plenty of chances already.

I don't know about anyone else but I would have stuck Cullivan in there ahead of Galligan. Cullivan may be short but he has an amazing jump. At least he can run and can catch a ball.

We won't know the reasons but maybe he feels hard done by when he sees inferior players starting ahead of him.

Well it is obvious Cullivan deserves to get playing. He doesn't strike me as arrogant at all though unlike most of the other players who have quit the panel.

Tommy Carr - The Raymond Domenach of inter county management. 

lol l like the thinking there as well but neither have daughters..

His wife is another story buts lets stay in reality here...

Anyone else come against this problem besides myself ? I find it disgraceful when daddies just take over a team and play their son every match where he wants regardless of performance.

This is at minor level. We have lost nearly every game so far with embarrassing performances yet still these relations of the selectors play every match even when it is obvious to all they have no place out there.

My story goes: I'm a decent player in my last year of minor football. 2 years ago I played every single game and in general played well. This year a new manager and team of selectors have come in and made sure their sons play each match. The 3 worst players on the team all have their fathers as selectors. All 3 have been dire in every game so far and all the rest of the lads know this.

The other embarrassing thing is that they are all younger than me, 16, even 15 years of age. I know this is sounding bitter but in all honesty 2 years ago the team was up there with the best around. Now we are bottom of the table scraping only 1 win. I have been told by people around the club that I should be playing ahead of player X and Y. This adds to the frustration.

The worst thing is you are sitting on the bench not knowing who to cheer for. You want your friends to win, but you also want these idiotic selectors to be proven wrong and to get even 10 minutes as a sub.

I'm sorry to say I'm contemplating giving up football completely. I love it but I'm at that age now where these decisions have to be made. If you are struggling to get on in your last year of minor there isn't much of a future for you. It will also save the embarrassment of not getting playing.

If anyone has any advice it would be appreciated. Feeling so depressed right now...

You think that is bad, one of the biggest clubs in the county don't even have a minor team this year. Mullahoran can't even get a team together for division 4. This is the same club that had 4-5 county minors last year and were in division 1. Where did those players go?
So a few of their players are playing with Gowna, one a county minor.

As has been said it is the same arrangement with Drumlane not fielding a team and giving the players they have left to St Joes, two town clubs that are already amalgamated.

How are the smaller clubs suppose to deal with these arrangements? Its hardly fair to the likes of Lavey and Ballyhaise. Again they were shortchanged last year with the minor amalgamations, as well as this year.

And lets not even go into the antics of some of these hyped up "development squads". Develop Walsh's ego and bank account more like.

[Questions should also be asked about how some teams are allowed amalgamate. Such as Baileborogh and Shercock last year who went on to win the minor championship.]

There is some talent coming through from previous minors and U21 teams. But as well know, makeing the step into senior football is a big one. And from what I have heard this years minor team will not be going too far in the championship.

In my opinion coaching at underage levels leaves alot to be desired. Too many coaches with agendas and I would even use the word nepotism to describe some of the antics I have seen. Men taking charge of teams with no experience just so they can play their son and nephews in the team. I think that behaviour is disgraceful. Would you find that sort of crap in Tyrone or some of the leading counties? Not a chance.

Questions should also be asked about how some teams are allowed amalgamate. Such as Baileborogh and Shercock last year who went on to win the minor championship. 2 big towns with more than enough players for their respective teams. Baileborough with the same players who won several division 1 titles in u16,14 etc. It is beyond belief how a club team of that stature can be granted an amalgamation. And then they are up against smaller club sides like Ballyhaise and Lavey. How can that be fair?

I honestly am fed up with Cavan football from the county team to underage club games, there is so many problems and nobody willing to fix them.

Going to have to take you up on that point New Moon because as a Bailieborough man I have a serious problem with it.

Last year, was the fourth year we amalgamated with Shercock under the name Killann Gaels. Nobody complained the previous three years when we had two first round exits. I for one don't like to see my own club amalgamating and in an ideal world we wouldn't have too.

The fact is Cavan Gaels had dominated the minor championship for ten years and amalgamtions were introduced to try and put a stop to that. And when a team does, they are criticized for amalgamating.

I can also assure that numbers were a big problem for club at minor level over the last number of years and I know for a fact for two of the years, without the addition of some Shercock lads we would not have been able to field a team.

The two clubs made an agreement to amalgamate for three years and see if anything would come of it and it did. If the county board do decide they want to persist with amalgamations such as Drumbride, then they have to give them time. Rarely will they click straight away.

I hear what you are saying put it up. But I think amalgamations should be done on a year by year and case by case basis. Sure maybe Shercock and BB needed to join up in previous years to get numbers.

Last year though they certainly both had the numbers and BB themselves were one of the best teams in division 1 already. They just underperformed in the league and questions could have been raised as to whether they took the league seriously enough in order to get their amalgamation for the Championship.

BB were in my opinion the 2nd best minor team in the county last year, they didn't need to amalgamate for the Championship.
And yes it was good to see an end to the Gaels dominance at minor level but I don't think there was any danger of their team last year winning the Championship anyway.

There is some talent coming through from previous minors and U21 teams. But as well know, makeing the step into senior football is a big one. And from what I have heard this years minor team will not be going too far in the championship.

In my opinion coaching at underage levels leaves alot to be desired. Too many coaches with agendas and I would even use the word nepotism to describe some of the antics I have seen. Men taking charge of teams with no experience just so they can play their son and nephews in the team. I think that behaviour is disgraceful. Would you find that sort of crap in Tyrone or some of the leading counties? Not a chance.

Questions should also be asked about how some teams are allowed amalgamate. Such as Baileborogh and Shercock last year who went on to win the minor championship. 2 big towns with more than enough players for their respective teams. Baileborough with the same players who won several division 1 titles in u16,14 etc. It is beyond belief how a club team of that stature can be granted an amalgamation. And then they are up against smaller club sides like Ballyhaise and Lavey. How can that be fair?

I honestly am fed up with Cavan football from the county team to underage club games, there is so many problems and nobody willing to fix them.