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#1
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 25, 2023, 01:12:16 PM
Sure you could say that about anything. Trying something different works sometimes, other times it's just a buzz word for covering up some foolhardy cockamamie endeavour. Or they could just grab the bull by the horns, put a decent plan/vision in place and go out and put all their efforts in finding someone to tie it all together.
#2
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 25, 2023, 10:04:40 AM
The die is cast at this stage anyway.
#3
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 25, 2023, 10:02:21 AM
Every situation is different. Sometimes patience is required, sometimes proactivity.

This is a complete and utter leap of faith. If it blows up spectacularly, patience will be a forgone conclusion and I don't believe this chairman will admit mistake. That's my big worry and could have disastrous consequences for player drop off and commitment.
#4
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 25, 2023, 08:26:26 AM
Bit of a punt is putting it mildly but from the very start of the process the word on the street was that chairman was very keen on him and pushed it from the off. I'd have zero faith in this chairman BTW.

Backroom team looks ok if they stay as is and work together. Like any management team in any walk of life the person at the top sets the tone and it can't be overstated how crucial a role of manager is. Very strong people skills required, that's where I'd worry. If it goes pear shaped I'd also worry this chairman won't act. But he's in now and best of luck to him. If he can get us playing well, integrate new players and achieve decent results people with jump onboard very quickly.
#5
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 24, 2023, 08:03:19 AM
Far from many people's first choice, including my own, but if he gets the results people will come round fairly quickly.

Sometimes appointments with all the razzmatazz fall flat and sometimes leaps of faith reap dividends. Time will tell. Good luck to him.
#6
General discussion / Re: East wall #Irelandisfull
August 07, 2023, 02:38:30 PM
Nobody gets "replaced". The word is meaningless. We live, we choose our partners, we die. If our children are healthy and happy that's all that matters. There is nothing worse in this world than a sick child. The colour of their skin is the very last thing anyone should worry about. The blood flowing through our descendants veins will be the same family blood we have, skin colour will make absolutely no change to that. We're too bloody white anyway, burn far too quickly.
#7
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 04, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 04, 2023, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on August 03, 2023, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 03, 2023, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on August 02, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
Louth got Mickey Harte. If you have the right ambition in place the Cavan job is very sellable.

You mean offering the right money!
No manager will do anything for free. When you take in expenses for doctors, physios, all the additional analysts and extras that come with a proper professional setup, even mileage for players and basic nutrition, what the manager himself pockets is only a fraction. More important staying higher up the leagues and getting paying customers in the door than saving on pennies on a manager.

We have a decent squad, some decent young players and more knocking on the door. We are a football county. Competing in D2 would be seen by many as a minimum for us, deluded or not, and the Cavan job should be tempting enough for someone with ambition or someone with experience elsewhere who feel they have "something to prove". How tempting depends on the offer on the table of course. No money means no extras means less professional support means less enthusiastic players means no thanks. A clued up manager will sniff a pile of dung from a mile away.

A manger doesn't care who pays all that as long as he gets his wedge.
A good manager will want a professional setup and see a CB with vision, ambition and the financial means to put it in action. They are putting their professional reputation on the line.

Of course there are other managers who just want the gig and see how long they can milk the IC circuit till they return to the club scene but they are the ones we need to avoid. A good manager will improve the finances of a CB if they can get up the leagues and get some big teams into Breffni. With the group stages of AI championship there are more opportunities for bigger championship matches in Breffni, but attendances will depend on firstly, getting into AI stage, and secondly actually being competitive against bigger counties and maybe having a realistic chance at winning a couple of matches and making a QF. To do all that will not be achieved from counting the coppers from the penny jar. And the "wedge" the manager gets will only be a fraction. So why skimp on such a crucial position that ties everything together when the outlays elsewhere are so high anyway.
#8
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 03, 2023, 02:24:03 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 03, 2023, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: Look-Up! on August 02, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
Louth got Mickey Harte. If you have the right ambition in place the Cavan job is very sellable.

You mean offering the right money!
No manager will do anything for free. When you take in expenses for doctors, physios, all the additional analysts and extras that come with a proper professional setup, even mileage for players and basic nutrition, what the manager himself pockets is only a fraction. More important staying higher up the leagues and getting paying customers in the door than saving on pennies on a manager.

We have a decent squad, some decent young players and more knocking on the door. We are a football county. Competing in D2 would be seen by many as a minimum for us, deluded or not, and the Cavan job should be tempting enough for someone with ambition or someone with experience elsewhere who feel they have "something to prove". How tempting depends on the offer on the table of course. No money means no extras means less professional support means less enthusiastic players means no thanks. A clued up manager will sniff a pile of dung from a mile away.
#9
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
August 02, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
Louth got Mickey Harte. If you have the right ambition in place the Cavan job is very sellable. 
#10
General discussion / Re: Sinead O'Connor RIP
July 27, 2023, 12:58:00 PM
RIP. Iconic singer. Had her demons and had gone through some very very tough times lately so hope she has found peace. 

Whatever you think of her two things you could not call her would be a sheep or sell out. That at least should be something to appreciate by those who believe in expressing opinions no matter what. 
#11
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
July 24, 2023, 04:52:02 PM
Didn't see the Hollywood nomination coming nor couldn't see it working. Bit shouty and doesn't strike me as a players type of player. Our squad is not in a good place right now, I'd rather avoid an out and out wild card.
#12
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
July 24, 2023, 01:05:21 PM
You'd hope there'd be a few more applications too, to add to that list. For Jayo, the step up is likely too big but I could see it happen. As for Galligan, no from me. He has done some underage coaching at his club, but no. 
#13
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
July 22, 2023, 10:05:29 PM
Jesus that was some washout in Breffni this evening. Horrible horrible conditions for football. Ramor Kingscourt draw. Lough edge out Gowna in a second half that looked more like water polo. No Paddy Lynch or Conor Brady on show. Stephen and Pierce Smith also missing for Lough.
#14
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
July 22, 2023, 12:50:27 PM
Would certainly be a bold move. Big difference and step up from what he's used to. Too risky.

I'd be happy with O'Rourke or McDermott. If Geezer became available I'd be very happy. A Vinny Corey type appointment would be good too but can't think of any. Micky Harte would be terrific but not available. After that I'm struggling.

Inside Cavan I don't know. Peter Reilly was mentioned somewhere but it'd be a massive step up for him. Hyland mentioned. Good manager, not sure how players would take it and some Cavan fans are very anti. If they really struggle to find someone I could see Keoghan/McCabe enter contention. That could backfire! Let's hope we get someone from the top of the list.
#15
Cavan / Re: Official Cavan GAA Thread
July 21, 2023, 06:30:30 PM
Quote from: Itchy on July 21, 2023, 05:04:20 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on July 21, 2023, 12:45:53 PM
I don't understand your statement about the money generated.

Nobody's perfect. From the Ulster final I saw, both teams tried their level best to lose it in the end. It was decided on penalties. Same as Monaghan match. Pure luck. Vinny Corey didn't even bother preparing his team for penalties in the run up to the QF. Didn't see the point in needlessly annoying players with more noise. Sensible approach. Had they lost though, it would have been unfairly used as a rod for his back by some I'm sure. Only a few inches differ from a pat on the back and a kick up the arse.

There are other options. James Horan I wouldn't mind but I just don't see the practicality. And if he did it would be a short term appointment I'd imagine. It would give plenty of Cavan fans instant gratification though. Big name with "cups" on his CV. But provincial titles with that Mayo team was hardly breaking new ground. Don't get me wrong, a terrific manager, raised the performance of his team, some epic days out, heroic losses, but his remit was an AI because that was the next step. And he fell short.

The man has god like status with some in Armagh. He brings in piles of money in sponsorship rending him effectively cost neutral.

If James Horan's remit was to win Sam (and he failed) wasn't McGeeney remit to win Ulster and he had way longer to do it. Horan won other trophies along the way too.
Hence why he might leave Armagh. Horan had 8 seasons with Mayo actually, pretty similar. McGeeney won a couple of cups with Armagh along the way, low level stuff but all relative to where he started with them. Might have had a Division 2 cup too if they had got the chance to contest final. But that's splitting hairs, you need to look beyond cups. Getting the right fit is more important than some check box exercise on cups. If McGeeney was from Mayo and Horan from Armagh I'd prefer to get Horan. I just don't think it's practical to commute from Mayo long term and I'm not sure someone from Mayo would see the Cavan job as that plump a number.