4pm throw in. No minor final beforehand (which is a shame). Traffic will be a nightmare and tickets be hard got! Derry by 3 8)
Should be a good game. We need to improve to be able to win. Turbo and Rian need better games. Derry would be favourites
Derry are favourites at 1/2, Armagh 6/4, which is about right.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2023, 08:54:20 AM
Derry are favourites at 1/2, Armagh 6/4, which is about right.
Odds drifting on Armagh at 13/8 now. Derry can still be got @8/13.
I think Armagh are decent value at that point. Need their best playing from the start and prevent Derry getting a lead up.
There was a feeling among Armagh fans last year that if they had beat Galway on penalties they'd be in an AI final. I thought Derry would beat them last year and i see we are favourites now. I'm not sure if thats because people think Derry have got better or Armagh worse or both.
I expect Derry to control the game but if Armagh get a goal or two, like in the Galway game last year it will change everything. If you hit a shot that drops short there seems to be about a 50% chance you'll score a goal v Derry at the min and Armagh got two of them v Down.
A lot of Armagh folk seemingly making the point they were a top 4 side after last season. ie, they gave Galway a serious rattle where as Derry were a mile off it. I'd say they are quietly confident.
This will be a good ulster final, genuinely hard to call I can see it going either way.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 01, 2023, 09:58:40 AM
A lot of Armagh folk seemingly making the point they were a top 4 side after last season. ie, they gave Galway a serious rattle where as Derry were a mile off it. I'd say they are quietly confident.
This will be a good ulster final, genuinely hard to call I can see it going either way.
They were totally outplayed by Galway and got 2 late goals to bring it to extra time. It was a lucky result
Quote from: Mario on May 01, 2023, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 01, 2023, 09:58:40 AM
A lot of Armagh folk seemingly making the point they were a top 4 side after last season. ie, they gave Galway a serious rattle where as Derry were a mile off it. I'd say they are quietly confident.
This will be a good ulster final, genuinely hard to call I can see it going either way.
They were totally outplayed by Galway and got 2 late goals to bring it to extra time. It was a lucky result
Aye, got steamrolled in extra time after then didn't they.
Fairly confident we'll best Derry tbh. Think we match up well to them fitness wise, hope McCambridge is back to mark McGuigan. A lot depends on the fitness of Murnin though. High ball in to him and Rian and no defence is stopping it.
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Quote from: Mario on May 01, 2023, 10:07:04 AM
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 01, 2023, 09:58:40 AM
A lot of Armagh folk seemingly making the point they were a top 4 side after last season. ie, they gave Galway a serious rattle where as Derry were a mile off it. I'd say they are quietly confident.
This will be a good ulster final, genuinely hard to call I can see it going either way.
They were totally outplayed by Galway and got 2 late goals to bring it to extra time. It was a lucky result
Aye, got steamrolled in extra time after then didn't they.
Wouldn't say lucky, we more than earned a draw with 14 men after a bullshit red card. Swear to god the crowd that day was as good as another player, the buzz made even me feel like I could have ran around Croker and kicked points! Anyway irrelevant at this stage. Derry players are likeable and I'm a big fan of a lot of them, but you couldn't like Gallagher if you reared him. Hope we hammer them out the gate.
Anyway of both teams losing?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 01, 2023, 10:38:16 AM
Anyway of both teams losing?
Aw it's been too long ye can't begrudge us a final appearance! Fair chunk of Armagh support have little or no memory of our last one.
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Anyway of both teams losing?
Aw it's been too long ye can't begrudge us a final appearance! Fair chunk of Armagh support have little or no memory of our last one.
Not long enough!! 😂
Naw sure I'll take heart in the fact that one of you's will be beat at least.
I'd be quietly confident we can beat Derry as well but it will be much tougher than any of our previous matches. We are much better than Derry in the forward line and I can see those long balls into the Derry full back line giving Derry all sorts of problems. Their defenders just aren't equipped to deal with that type of game. Having Murnin fit though will be essential since he has been our best player all season by some distance. Derry have a big advantage at midfield though and if Armagh can contain Glass and Rodgers and gain close to parity here then it will go a long way towards winning the match.
The pressure is off Armagh now to a certain extent as we have done what was expected of us and the 2 best teams in Ulster will now face off in the final that most people would have called at the outset of the championship. It's also a novel pairing since there is no real history between these Armagh and Derry teams to speak of.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
I'd be quietly confident we can beat Derry as well but it will be much tougher than any of our previous matches. We are much better than Derry in the forward line and I can see those long balls into the Derry full back line giving Derry all sorts of problems. Their defenders just aren't equipped to deal with that type of game. Having Murnin fit though will be essential since he has been our best player all season by some distance. Derry have a big advantage at midfield though and if Armagh can contain Glass and Rodgers and gain close to parity here then it will go a long way towards winning the match.
The pressure is off Armagh now to a certain extent as we have done what was expected of us and the 2 best teams in Ulster will now face off in the final that most people would have called at the outset of the championship. It's also a novel pairing since there is no real history between these Armagh and Derry teams to speak of.
McGuigan, E Doherty and Paul Cassidy would make a combined forward line. Fully fit McFaul too. Don't think youse are much better tbh.
How is the pressure off Armagh and Geezer in particular. You haven't delivered!
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
I'd be quietly confident we can beat Derry as well but it will be much tougher than any of our previous matches. We are much better than Derry in the forward line and I can see those long balls into the Derry full back line giving Derry all sorts of problems. Their defenders just aren't equipped to deal with that type of game. Having Murnin fit though will be essential since he has been our best player all season by some distance. Derry have a big advantage at midfield though and if Armagh can contain Glass and Rodgers and gain close to parity here then it will go a long way towards winning the match.
The pressure is off Armagh now to a certain extent as we have done what was expected of us and the 2 best teams in Ulster will now face off in the final that most people would have called at the outset of the championship. It's also a novel pairing since there is no real history between these Armagh and Derry teams to speak of.
I wouldnt say Armagh are much better than Derry in the forward line. If i had to pick a combined team of 6 forwards McGuigan, Doherty and Cassidy would all start in my opinion. Oneill, grogan and murnin would be the 3 armagh players. I'll hold my judgement on Turbitt until i see him score a lot v a team above D3. He was fairly quiet yesterday but it was a bad day which def didnt help him.
Didn't realise Walter had just posted the exact same thing
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
He has broken in to the team this year. Good defender. Marked both Clifford and Walsh and done well on them.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
I'd be quietly confident we can beat Derry as well but it will be much tougher than any of our previous matches. We are much better than Derry in the forward line and I can see those long balls into the Derry full back line giving Derry all sorts of problems. Their defenders just aren't equipped to deal with that type of game. Having Murnin fit though will be essential since he has been our best player all season by some distance. Derry have a big advantage at midfield though and if Armagh can contain Glass and Rodgers and gain close to parity here then it will go a long way towards winning the match.
The pressure is off Armagh now to a certain extent as we have done what was expected of us and the 2 best teams in Ulster will now face off in the final that most people would have called at the outset of the championship. It's also a novel pairing since there is no real history between these Armagh and Derry teams to speak of.
McGuigan, E Doherty and Paul Cassidy would make a combined forward line. Fully fit McFaul too. Don't think youse are much better tbh.
How is the pressure off Armagh and Geezer in particular. You haven't delivered!
Those 3 players are the most dangerous Derry forwards but overall I think Armagh have more attacking threat. We had forwards of the calibre of Soupy Campbell and Nugent coming off the bench yesterday and I'd say there are now about 8/9 very good forwards on a par with any of the best teams in the country. More importantly we have begun playing to the strengths of our own players again even if we haven't seen a real outstanding performance for 70 minutes yet. During most of the League we tried too much to try and cover up our deficiencies in defence to the detriment of our own strengths in the forward division.
There will always be pressure on Geezer that just goes with the territory but in most peoples eyes Armagh won't be favourites going into this final which suits very well.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2023, 11:56:13 AM
I'd be quietly confident we can beat Derry as well but it will be much tougher than any of our previous matches. We are much better than Derry in the forward line and I can see those long balls into the Derry full back line giving Derry all sorts of problems. Their defenders just aren't equipped to deal with that type of game. Having Murnin fit though will be essential since he has been our best player all season by some distance. Derry have a big advantage at midfield though and if Armagh can contain Glass and Rodgers and gain close to parity here then it will go a long way towards winning the match.
The pressure is off Armagh now to a certain extent as we have done what was expected of us and the 2 best teams in Ulster will now face off in the final that most people would have called at the outset of the championship. It's also a novel pairing since there is no real history between these Armagh and Derry teams to speak of.
McGuigan, E Doherty and Paul Cassidy would make a combined forward line. Fully fit McFaul too. Don't think youse are much better tbh.
How is the pressure off Armagh and Geezer in particular. You haven't delivered!
Those 3 players are the most dangerous Derry forwards but overall I think Armagh have more attacking threat. We had forwards of the calibre of Soupy Campbell and Nugent coming off the bench yesterday and I'd say there are now about 8/9 very good forwards on a par with any of the best teams in the country. More importantly we have begun playing to the strengths of our own players again even if we haven't seen a real outstanding performance for 70 minutes yet. During most of the League we tried too much to try and cover up our deficiencies in defence to the detriment of our own strengths in the forward division.
There will always be pressure on Geezer that just goes with the territory but in most peoples eyes Armagh won't be favourites going into this final which suits very well.
Granted Armagh have a better squad no doubt but our attacking game this year has been super at times. I think McConville & Murphy summed it up yesterday about how Armagh need this ulster. Much like Derry last year.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
Kept Walsh and Clifford quiet in the league games (with help to be fair) Clann Eireann player, won a senior championship with them there couple of years ago. Good tight marking defender. He's 24 or 25 but only really getting his chance this year, was one of our few positives in the league I thought. Conor O'Neill or Forker other options for McGuigan who are capable of driving forward as well and making him track them.
Just hope we give a good account of ourselves, a bad beating leading into the round robin wouldn't be ideal
Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2023, 04:32:56 PM
Just hope we give a good account of ourselves, a bad beating leading into the round robin wouldn't be ideal
Yerra.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 01, 2023, 12:23:47 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
He has broken in to the team this year. Good defender. Marked both Clifford and Walsh and done well on them.
McCambridge has never struck me as the paciest defender about, did well on winter sods with a LOT of defensive cover around him, I wouldn't be pinning our hopes on him in isolation.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 01, 2023, 05:21:02 PM
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
He has broken in to the team this year. Good defender. Marked both Clifford and Walsh and done well on them.
McCambridge has never struck me as the paciest defender about, did well on winter sods with a LOT of defensive cover around him, I wouldn't be pinning our hopes on him in isolation.
Or alternatively you could say that he's done all that could be asked of him in the National League against the best sides in the country. I'm not saying you're wrong in doubting him but he had a very strong League campaign for a rookie campaigner, it would have been much easier in the championship against the three division 3 teams we've faced to date. I don't think he'll start the final though unless it is to do a specific job on a certain player. Personally I don't think he's the best match for McGuigan as Forker looks tailor made for him to put him on the back foot.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 01, 2023, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
He has broken in to the team this year. Good defender. Marked both Clifford and Walsh and done well on them.
McCambridge has never struck me as the paciest defender about, did well on winter sods with a LOT of defensive cover around him, I wouldn't be pinning our hopes on him in isolation.
McGeeney must like and trust him if he gave him those 2 jobs against 2 of the best forwards in Ireland but I take your point. Not sure which of the 6 backs you drop for him though as can't really complain about any. Hopefully Crealey is ok but if not maybe Mackin or Jarly Og will go to midfield and McCambridge could slot in. Mackin would be well suited to track Rodgers i think
Quote from: yellowcard on May 01, 2023, 05:31:59 PM
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 01, 2023, 12:11:59 PM
McCambridge on McGuigan if he's fit. Mackin to tag Rodgers? Would have the engine for him. Crealey for Glass man marking job? Should be a good game.
Youse must rate this McCambridge lad. Who is he?
He has broken in to the team this year. Good defender. Marked both Clifford and Walsh and done well on them.
McCambridge has never struck me as the paciest defender about, did well on winter sods with a LOT of defensive cover around him, I wouldn't be pinning our hopes on him in isolation.
Or alternatively you could say that he's done all that could be asked of him in the National League against the best sides in the country. I'm not saying you're wrong in doubting him but he had a very strong League campaign for a rookie campaigner, it would have been much easier in the championship against the three division 3 teams we've faced to date. I don't think he'll start the final though unless it is to do a specific job on a certain player. Personally I don't think he's the best match for McGuigan as Forker looks tailor made for him to put him on the back foot.
Yeah Forker will push up the field and take a score, could be a good choice, similar to Conor O'Neill who could do a job as well on him, did well on Liam Kerr who is an excellent forward.
Jeez reading this page I'm not sure Derry should bother turning up. ;D
I get that Armagh feel confident based on a performance against Galway last year. But have armagh improved?
Derry certainly have.
In the last 2 games Derry have had 10 different scorers and racked up huge scores.
Armagh might get a goal or two, but might not as I feel that is one aspect of the game they'll work on before the final.
Armagh might run rings around us.
But I doubt it.
If Armagh were to play monaghan, would they beat them the way Derry did? I don't think they would.
Derry will really want to stamp their authority on Ulster and show their dominance.
I think we have the stronger 15 and a better manager, no guarantee that means we'll win, but I think Armagh will need to do something special to beat us.
I'd be very surprised if Armagh beat Derry tbh. Derry a very good team and jury still out for me with Armagh. Hoping for a tight game but that was a very accomplished performance by Derry. Armagh need goals to win this however Derry have leaked a few so you never know. Hard to say with Armagh as it's division three teams they beat. Derry made Monaghan look pretty average.
Interesting game as they haven't played each other much.
Don't even know why am commenting. Derry beat Armagh, maybe easier than people think. Not worried about high ball into full bck. Now they know it's Coming at them. Couldn't see much Armagh built up play yesterday which was strange. Derry to me have issues at corner forwards, both can defend well but don't seem to have the speed to get up the scoring zone quickly on the break. Mcfaul has to start the final. Plus some lad tell Bradley the Honeymoon over, we need him bck for the round Robin(Know he talked about a Yr out, plenty time for that in a few yrs time) . I think Jack Doherty form for Glen this year showed Gallagher made a mistake giving him barely any league game time last year. We could done with him there off the bench at least. Anyway I think an All-Ireland beyond any Ulster team this year, so this final the only show in town.
Last C'Ship meeting
2020
Armagh 0-17 Derry 0-15
Scorers for Derry: Shane McGuigan 0-7 (7fs), Niall Loughlin 0-4 (3fs), Ethan Doherty 0-1, Ciaran McFaul 0-1, Patrick Kearney 0-1, Chrissy McKaigue 0-1
Scorers for Armagh: Rian O'Neill 0-4 (4fs), Rory Grugan 0-3 (1f), Jamie Clarke 0-3, Aidan Forker 0-2, Oisin O'Neill 0-2, Conor O'Neill 0-1, Mark Shields 0-1, Jarlath Og Burns 0-1.
DERRY: Odhran Lynch, Paul McNeill, Brendan Rogers, Carlus McWilliams, Ethan Doherty, Chrissy McKaigue, Padraig McGrogan, Ciaran McFaul, Conor Glass, Danny Tallon, Enda Lynn, Padraig Cassidy, Emmett Bradley, Shane McGuigan, Niall Loughlin. Subs: Patrick Kearney for D Tallon (46), Oisin McWilliams for P McNeill (60), Paul Cassidy for E Lynn (64), Alex Doherty for P Cassidy (69)
ARMAGH: Blaine Hughes, Paddy Burns, Ryan Kennedy, James Morgan, Conor O'Neill, Aidan Forker, Mark Shiels, Oisin O'Neill, Stephen Sheridan, Rory Grugan, Greg McCabe, Stefan Campbell, Jamie Clarke, Rian O'Neill, Jarlath Og Burns . Subs: Niall Grimley for G McCabe (52), Callum McCumiskey for S Sheridan (63)
Plenty from both teams played in the last C'Ship encounter.
Defence and forwards I'd give us a slight edge but could be argued either way, Derry have stronger midfield though and how we cope with Glass will be key, especially given our weakness on our own and opposition kick outs. We'll need at least one goal to win it.
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
Wonder if Gallagher will continue his antics along the line when seeing the 3x Kierans/Ciarans next door?? ;D ;D
Quote from: Estimator on May 01, 2023, 07:44:51 PM
Plenty from both teams played in the last C'Ship encounter.
8 from that 2020 Armagh starting lineup didn't play at the weekend. It's a 50/50 game, Id have Derry as slight favourites though. It's imperative for this Armagh squad though that they get a championship.
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 01, 2023, 04:32:56 PM
Just hope we give a good account of ourselves, a bad beating leading into the round robin wouldn't be ideal
Yerra.
;D Armagh have better forwards, better defenders, there's men queuing up with the ability to nullify McGuigan, Glass etc, it's all in here!
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Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
Fascinating post.
14 scores t0 12...not that impressive...Game was over 5 minutes into 2nd half.
2 of the goals were fortunate....a tactic Armagh used from minute 1 libg ball in, it only worked 4 times!!
Missing U20's...Down were physically not up to it to a man.. very much doubt u20's would have made adifference in that regard.
"Haven't seen anything from Armagh... " How many times have you seen them play 70minutes this year?
Where does this" overly physical " stuff come from?
Which tactics were too much for the Dubs in the league final.
Derry may well beat us in the Ulster Final but this myth of Gallagher the master tactician is wearing a bit thin.
Galway embarrassed Derry in Croke Park last year and the League Final showed nothing to suggest that any lessons were taken on board from that.
The most important question is will Derry be wearing all red? They are listed first, does this make a difference? Do both teams have to wear away. Down obviously red but less of a clash with black
Gallagher plays with what he has, if he had the 2 Bradley's of old in the corners am sure he vary tactics enough. Derry still don't have enough for, Galway, ir, Kerry or Dublin for that matter but neither too Dublin. Armagh 18, I wouldn't pick 1 Armagh defender in the Derry team, forwards another matter, plenty good ones to pick from. Way I look at it, one team plays very tactical, the other bit free spirited but I expect them to match Derry formation for the final. Kildare showed at the wkend, games don't go as expected.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 01, 2023, 09:48:08 PM
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Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
Fascinating post.
14 scores t0 12...not that impressive...Game was over 5 minutes into 2nd half.
2 of the goals were fortunate....a tactic Armagh used from minute 1 libg ball in, it only worked 4 times!!
Missing U20's...Down were physically not up to it to a man.. very much doubt u20's would have made adifference in that regard.
"Haven't seen anything from Armagh... " How many times have you seen them play 70minutes this year?
Where does this" overly physical " stuff come from?
Which tactics were too much for the Dubs in the league final.
Derry may well beat us in the Ulster Final but this myth of Gallagher the master tactician is wearing a bit thin.
Galway embarrassed Derry in Croke Park last year and the League Final showed nothing to suggest that any lessons were taken on board from that.
He has taken Derry from D3 to D1, to an AI semi final and on the brink of back to back ulsters. He's the best manager in the game. Half the teams in the country are copying his tactics. What has mcgeeney done in 9 years? Took you from D3 to D2.
I wouldn't read too much into the league final, promotion was achieved and we were understrength and players had been on holiday in the lead up. We beat Dublin when it mattered. Galway was a step too far last year but we are a better team this year.
I agree it's not all Gallagher though, Derry also have some very good players, which often gets overlooked by the media.
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Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
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The most important question is will Derry be wearing all red? They are listed first, does this make a difference? Do both teams have to wear away. Down obviously red but less of a clash with black
Welcome to GAA Board Steps - great first post.
Let Derry go with their traditional, Armagh in all black and the ref in sky blue.
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Just hope we give a good account of ourselves, a bad beating leading into the round robin wouldn't be ideal
Yerra.
;D Armagh have better forwards, better defenders, there's men queuing up with the ability to nullify McGuigan, Glass etc, it's all in here!
Talking about match ups on Derrys main men means theres men queuing up to nullify them? We'll just not discuss anything then will we?
2 good sides, Derry have went up a level from last year. Should be a serious game. Tough to call and will probably come down to a kick of the ball.
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
Derry haven't improved from last year??
Jesus a blind man can see the improvement! That's not to say we'll
win Ulster but to say we haven't improved is ridiculous. We got out of Div 2 this year have beaten the Dubs and massively upped our scoring average so I'd say that's a fair improvement.
Improvement from year to year is all you can ask. I don't think we're winning an All Ireland this year but after 2 years of Div 1 and Sam Maguire competition I expect us to win another!
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
Derry haven't improved from last year??
Jesus a blind man can see the improvement! That's not to say we'll
win Ulster but to say we haven't improved is ridiculous. We got out of Div 2 this year have beaten the Dubs and massively upped our scoring average so I'd say that's a fair improvement.
Improvement from year to year is all you can ask. I don't think we're winning an All Ireland this year but after 2 years of Div 1 and Sam Maguire competition I expect us to win another!
It's all a matter of opinion but in looking better offensively Derry have also looked more vulnerable defensively. Whether that constitutes improvement or not is open to opinion but in their biggest test to date in Croke Park against the Dubs they were cut apart. In their defence they were missing McKaigue and Glass went off injured but it ended up a one sided affair.
I'm not sure why Derry fans are taking such umbrage at people questioning their credentials. Let's wait and see at the end of the season though when this improvement will be easier to measure. If Derry get to an AI final or show signs of progression against a Kerry, Dublin or Galway in the knock out stages I'll have to change my opinion.
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
Derry haven't improved from last year??
Jesus a blind man can see the improvement! That's not to say we'll
win Ulster but to say we haven't improved is ridiculous. We got out of Div 2 this year have beaten the Dubs and massively upped our scoring average so I'd say that's a fair improvement.
Improvement from year to year is all you can ask. I don't think we're winning an All Ireland this year but after 2 years of Div 1 and Sam Maguire competition I expect us to win another!
Derry seemed to have improved from last year, think we have as well, long time from we've won 3 games in a row. Really looking forward to seeing where we are at h
Do any of u know when the tickets are released for the game?.
I genuinely don't think there's much between the two teams. Derry the slight favourites and the bookies are never too far away. Armagh are very capable of winning this but will need a big performance on the day. Will BR go back to full back to pick up Murnin?. Creeley can do a man marking job on Glass (spoil him). There are so many match ups it'll be fascinating on the day. Looking forward to it tbh. In reality will both teams be going all out to win it or is the super 16's on their minds more🤷♂️
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I genuinely don't think there's much between the two teams. Derry the slight favourites and the bookies are never too far away. Armagh are very capable of winning this but will need a big performance on the day. Will BR go back to full back to pick up Murnin?. Creeley can do a man marking job on Glass (spoil him). There are so many match ups it'll be fascinating on the day. Looking forward to it tbh. In reality will both teams be going all out to win it or is the super 16's on their minds more🤷♂️
Should be a cracker, very little between them. Could be right re Rodgers on Murnin, could track him when he goes out the field. Who picks up Rian then? What about Turbitt? Any chance of McFaul starting?
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
Derry haven't improved from last year??
Jesus a blind man can see the improvement! That's not to say we'll
win Ulster but to say we haven't improved is ridiculous. We got out of Div 2 this year have beaten the Dubs and massively upped our scoring average so I'd say that's a fair improvement.
Improvement from year to year is all you can ask. I don't think we're winning an All Ireland this year but after 2 years of Div 1 and Sam Maguire competition I expect us to win another!
From what I've seen of Derry the year you have definitely improved. You won't win a Sam in the next two years though
Yip, fairly confident that style of play will fail at croke Park otherwise all the teams would be at it
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Yip, fairly confident that style of play will fail at croke Park otherwise all the teams would be at it
Funny that. Eamon Fitzmaurice (who knows more than us) reckons the game has improved greatly and is well suited to CP!
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Yip, fairly confident that style of play will fail at croke Park otherwise all the teams would be at it
Funny that. Eamon Fitzmaurice (who knows more than us) reckons the game has improved greatly and is well suited to CP!
Derry haven't a hope, should Rory bother taking them there at all?
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I genuinely don't think there's much between the two teams. Derry the slight favourites and the bookies are never too far away. Armagh are very capable of winning this but will need a big performance on the day. Will BR go back to full back to pick up Murnin?. Creeley can do a man marking job on Glass (spoil him). There are so many match ups it'll be fascinating on the day. Looking forward to it tbh. In reality will both teams be going all out to win it or is the super 16's on their minds more🤷♂️
Should be a cracker, very little between them. Could be right re Rodgers on Murnin, could track him when he goes out the field. Who picks up Rian then? What about Turbitt? Any chance of McFaul starting?
I can't imagine Rory would want to do anything this drastic but id be in favour of dropping Rogers back to pick up Rian and slotting mcfaul into midfield with clubmate Glass.
That would mean dropping a defender which isnt ideal but i dont believe C Doherty is essential to this derry team winning games.
Imagine if the Super 16s draw today throws up a scenario where it would be better to be Seed 2 as opposed to Seed 1, could put a dampener on things
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Imagine if the Super 16s draw today throws up a scenario where it would be better to be Seed 2 as opposed to Seed 1, could put a dampener on things
Don't think it'll matter. Anyway if you're a seed 1 you avoid Dublin, Kerry and Galway (barring a miracle) and you're getting a game against a provincial loser, who are going to be poor.
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Imagine if the Super 16s draw today throws up a scenario where it would be better to be Seed 2 as opposed to Seed 1, could put a dampener on things
Can it though? are Ulster and Leinster not already paired owing to the date of the first round? There might be some variation in the third and fourth seeds, but the third seeds are all decent and the fourth seeds less so, except perhaps Kildare have shown promise.
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Do any of u know when the tickets are released for the game?.
It's looking like the clubs are getting first call on them in Derry. Some are in the process of asking members to request them.
So might only be limited amount on general release.
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
Derry haven't improved from last year??
Jesus a blind man can see the improvement! That's not to say we'll
win Ulster but to say we haven't improved is ridiculous. We got out of Div 2 this year have beaten the Dubs and massively upped our scoring average so I'd say that's a fair improvement.
Improvement from year to year is all you can ask. I don't think we're winning an All Ireland this year but after 2 years of Div 1 and Sam Maguire competition I expect us to win another!
It's all a matter of opinion but in looking better offensively Derry have also looked more vulnerable defensively. Whether that constitutes improvement or not is open to opinion but in their biggest test to date in Croke Park against the Dubs they were cut apart. In their defence they were missing McKaigue and Glass went off injured but it ended up a one sided affair.
I'm not sure why Derry fans are taking such umbrage at people questioning their credentials. Let's wait and see at the end of the season though when this improvement will be easier to measure. If Derry get to an AI final or show signs of progression against a Kerry, Dublin or Galway in the knock out stages I'll have to change my opinion.
Not taking umbridge, just curious re Armagh fans confidence. Derry, current Ulster champions and promoted into Div 1, Armagh's credentials, relegated and this same group of players being talked up haven't had a sniff of Ulster...
In the match itself, going on the last 2 years, head says Derry, heart says, anything can happen on the day.
Don't see to many Armagh fans being overly confident, think we've a great chance and it's a 50/50 game will just come down to who turns up on the day and fine margins.
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Not taking umbridge, just curious re Armagh fans confidence. Derry, current Ulster champions and promoted into Div 1, Armagh's credentials, relegated and this same group of players being talked up haven't had a sniff of Ulster...
In the match itself, going on the last 2 years, head says Derry, heart says, anything can happen on the day.
If I was Derry, I would take it easy and keep some gas in the tank for the round robin and the inevitable quarter and semi finals.
Dublin will probably do the same in Leinster.
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
You do realise that it's 3 points for a goal and it doesn't matter how they are scored. A goal from a high ball is still a goal and Derry have struggled badly defensively conceding 8 goals in their last 3 matches. Armagh will test them much more than Fermanagh and Monaghan defensively.
It's no exaggeration to say that Dublin could have scored 7 or 8 against them in the League final and for me Derry haven't improved since last year. I don't think Armagh have either though based on what we've seen to date this season and neither side are AI contenders imo. It will be close and there is no real form guide or recent history between the sides but both sides will be confident and I'd expect it to go down to the wire.
Derry haven't improved from last year??
Jesus a blind man can see the improvement! That's not to say we'll
win Ulster but to say we haven't improved is ridiculous. We got out of Div 2 this year have beaten the Dubs and massively upped our scoring average so I'd say that's a fair improvement.
Improvement from year to year is all you can ask. I don't think we're winning an All Ireland this year but after 2 years of Div 1 and Sam Maguire competition I expect us to win another!
It's all a matter of opinion but in looking better offensively Derry have also looked more vulnerable defensively. Whether that constitutes improvement or not is open to opinion but in their biggest test to date in Croke Park against the Dubs they were cut apart. In their defence they were missing McKaigue and Glass went off injured but it ended up a one sided affair.
I'm not sure why Derry fans are taking such umbrage at people questioning their credentials. Let's wait and see at the end of the season though when this improvement will be easier to measure. If Derry get to an AI final or show signs of progression against a Kerry, Dublin or Galway in the knock out stages I'll have to change my opinion.
Not taking umbridge, just curious re Armagh fans confidence. Derry, current Ulster champions and promoted into Div 1, Armagh's credentials, relegated and this same group of players being talked up haven't had a sniff of Ulster...
In the match itself, going on the last 2 years, head says Derry, heart says, anything can happen on the day.
We competed well with the best teams in Ireland throughout the league. Arrogance in abundance from both sets of posters here. Normally pre-match banter. Nothing more. Derry rightfully favourites. Armagh have the better attack but Derry the better midfield and defence. I think Armagh's chances hinge on the fitness of Andrew Murnin (never a good place to be!).
There you go no advantage to losing the Ulster Final full steam ahead for Clones next week!
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There you go no advantage to losing the Ulster Final full steam ahead for Clones next week!
Most definitely not. Added impetus.
Some difference in Galway Tyrone and Clare Mongahan
Extra motivation, not that it's needed. Group games won't be do or die anyway given 3 teams go through.
So how does quarters draw work then? What happens after these groups if 12 teams through?
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So how does quarters draw work then? What happens after these groups if 12 teams through?
prelim quarter finals
2v3 from each group
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So how does quarters draw work then? What happens after these groups if 12 teams through?
prelim quarter finals
2v3 from each group
Ah ffs. Needa win your group then!
Do 2nd from group 1 play 3rd from group 2 etc or will there be another draw?
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There you go no advantage to losing the Ulster Final full steam ahead for Clones next week!
The winners group seems a bit easier. It's also going to be important to win the group as you get a weeks rest and then home advantage for the quarter final. Hard enough to even qualify from a group with Galway and tyrone.
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Do 2nd from group 1 play 3rd from group 2 etc or will there be another draw?
From the GAA website.. so no actual information on that
All-Ireland SFC knock-out stage
The four preliminary quarter-finals will consist of the second placed teams being at home to third place teams, subject to avoiding of repeat provincial final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round One.
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Do 2nd from group 1 play 3rd from group 2 etc or will there be another draw?
From the GAA website.. so no actual information on that
All-Ireland SFC knock-out stage
The four preliminary quarter-finals will consist of the second placed teams being at home to third place teams, subject to avoiding of repeat provincial final pairings and where possible repeat pairings from Round One.
That means there has to be a draw.
Winning Ulster is def the way forward. Group 2 looks tough and wouldn't want Armagh in it for losing Ulster. Beat Derry and group 4 should be (on paper) be the easier draw.
3 teams go through in all, losing the Ulster final, you still be strong enough to get over Westmeath.
Come third and you could be playing away to Mayo or Roscommon and even if won that would be out in a quarter final the week after with no break.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2023, 02:07:05 PM
3 teams go through in all, losing the Ulster final, you still be strong enough to get over Westmeath.
3 teams from every group go through but 1 of those teams will be gone the following weekend and 1 the weekend after.
A team's chance of winning Sam is massively improved by topping their group.
Winning Sam becomes harder if you finish 2nd and a good bit harder if you finish 3rd.
Topping your group is harder if you are in the group with the strongest 2nd seed (which the loser of the Ulster final will be)
Ideally a first seed wants to be in a group with the weakest 2nd seed, the weakest 3rd seed and the weakest 4th seed.
Of these having the weakest 2nd seed is far more advantageous than having the weakest 4th seed.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/02/jim-mcguinness-derry-emerging-as-strongest-contenders-for-one-of-the-most-open-all-irelands-in-memory/
Against Fermanagh it was high balls in the square that caused them most problems, and Monaghan attacked that area at the weekend as well. Derry conceded a brace of goals in both of those Ulster games and that is something I'm sure Armagh will be targeting in the provincial final
Winning this Ulster final more important than ever now as they should win their group with Monaghan,Clare,Donegal. Ulster final loser could well finish 3rd in the group which would then be away match against maybe Mayo and played a week before the All Ireland quarter final.
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The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
Fascinating post.
14 scores t0 12...not that impressive...Game was over 5 minutes into 2nd half.
2 of the goals were fortunate....a tactic Armagh used from minute 1 libg ball in, it only worked 4 times!!
Missing U20's...Down were physically not up to it to a man.. very much doubt u20's would have made adifference in that regard.
I'm only trying to point out that whilst Armagh were the better side, they didn't exactly blow Down out of the water. That's what I mean by "not that impressive". Yes they won and deservedley so on the day, but there was nothing in that game that you'd come away from saying that Armagh are an amazing side, especially given the fact Down are Div 3 and missing some first choice players.
"Haven't seen anything from Armagh... " How many times have you seen them play 70minutes this year?
Full 70 twice. Once against Tyrone and once against Down. I stand by my point that I haven't seen anything....but once again, doesn't mean they couldn't beat Derry. I'm only commenting on what I've seen. I'm struggling to see where the optimism is coming from for Armagh given the length of time McGeeney has been there and the fact they've just been relegated.
Where does this" overly physical " stuff come from?
Overly physical might be the wrong term. What I mean by that is that they are very highly conditioned and extremely fit and they play a very physical game. That can wear teams down. Armagh look bigger than Derry and I think this approach could work against Derry.
Which tactics were too much for the Dubs in the league final.
FFS. The league final was a dead rubber. No-one cared. The team went on holidays the week leading into it and half of them only returned the night before the game. We were without McKaigue and Glass went off injured. That game will have no bearing on anything. We beat them in the league when it mattered and more importantly, we came from behind to win. That's progress and improvement. When did Armagh last beat Dublin in anything?
Derry may well beat us in the Ulster Final but this myth of Gallagher the master tactician is wearing a bit thin.
A lot of people confusing their dislike of Gallagher on the side line to his tactical approach. His tactics are now being mirrored up and down the country. Galway are doing it. Tyrone tried to. I believe Armagh played ultra defensively in a few games this year. If he was such a poor tacticion, why are so many imitating his tactics? What are McGeeney's tactics? Does he have any outside of route one into the box? But once again, doesn't mean we're a shoe in to win.
Galway embarrassed Derry in Croke Park last year and the League Final showed nothing to suggest that any lessons were taken on board from that.
Catch a grip. We'd just won our first Ulster in over 2 decades. We'd come on in leaps and bounds and had 2 games in Croker. Galway fairly beat us on the day. IMO, partly due to fitness and partly due to the occassion getting to some of the players who didn't perform as well as they could have. They embarrassed us in the league, and if you look at how we played against them in the SF, we did much better. Again that's progress.
I've no issue with people thinking we won't win an AI, I don't see too many Derry people suggesting we are going to anyway.
Time will tell where we are at, but I do have to laugh when people come out with this talk about Armagh having better forwards and defence than Derry with nothing really to base that on.
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Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
Fascinating post.
14 scores t0 12...not that impressive...Game was over 5 minutes into 2nd half.
2 of the goals were fortunate....a tactic Armagh used from minute 1 libg ball in, it only worked 4 times!!
Missing U20's...Down were physically not up to it to a man.. very much doubt u20's would have made adifference in that regard.
I'm only trying to point out that whilst Armagh were the better side, they didn't exactly blow Down out of the water. That's what I mean by "not that impressive". Yes they won and deservedley so on the day, but there was nothing in that game that you'd come away from saying that Armagh are an amazing side, especially given the fact Down are Div 3 and missing some first choice players.
Absolutely blew Down out of the water. Down fans leaving with 20 minutes to go. Ditto Cavan. Ditto Antrim. All div. 3 teams and the results were what you would expect.
"Haven't seen anything from Armagh... " How many times have you seen them play 70minutes this year?
Full 70 twice. Once against Tyrone and once against Down. I stand by my point that I haven't seen anything....but once again, doesn't mean they couldn't beat Derry. I'm only commenting on what I've seen. I'm struggling to see where the optimism is coming from for Armagh given the length of time McGeeney has been there and the fact they've just been relegated.
Kerry are odds on to retain Sam. What has anybody seen from them this year?
We have been competitive in every game this year. Could and maybe should have won against Roscommon. Would have been lucky to do so against Kerry but any 1 point game has a multitude of what ifs.
Where does this" overly physical " stuff come from?
Overly physical might be the wrong term. What I mean by that is that they are very highly conditioned and extremely fit and they play a very physical game. That can wear teams down. Armagh look bigger than Derry and I think this approach could work against Derry.
Which tactics were too much for the Dubs in the league final.
FFS. The league final was a dead rubber. No-one cared. The team went on holidays the week leading into it and half of them only returned the night before the game. We were without McKaigue and Glass went off injured. That game will have no bearing on anything. We beat them in the league when it mattered and more importantly, we came from behind to win. That's progress and improvement. When did Armagh last beat Dublin in anything?
Last year national league division 1...blew them away.
Derry may well beat us in the Ulster Final but this myth of Gallagher the master tactician is wearing a bit thin.
A lot of people confusing their dislike of Gallagher on the side line to his tactical approach. His tactics are now being mirrored up and down the country. Galway are doing it. Tyrone tried to. I believe Armagh played ultra defensively in a few games this year. If he was such a poor tacticion, why are so many imitating his tactics? What are McGeeney's tactics? Does he have any outside of route one into the box? But once again, doesn't mean we're a shoe in to win.
Gallagher isn't doing anything that McAlinden and Canavan weren't doing 25 years ago.
McGuiness mproved it. Harte tweaked it.
Galway embarrassed Derry in Croke Park last year and the League Final showed nothing to suggest that any lessons were taken on board from that.
Catch a grip. We'd just won our first Ulster in over 2 decades. We'd come on in leaps and bounds and had 2 games in Croker. Galway fairly beat us on the day. IMO, partly due to fitness and partly due to the occassion getting to some of the players who didn't perform as well as they could have. They embarrassed us in the league, and if you look at how we played against them in the SF, we did much better. Again that's progress.
I've no issue with people thinking we won't win an AI, I don't see too many Derry people suggesting we are going to anyway.
Time will tell where we are at, but I do have to laugh when people come out with this talk about Armagh having better forwards and defence than Derry with nothing really to base that on.
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
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Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
Fascinating post.
14 scores t0 12...not that impressive...Game was over 5 minutes into 2nd half.
2 of the goals were fortunate....a tactic Armagh used from minute 1 libg ball in, it only worked 4 times!!
Missing U20's...Down were physically not up to it to a man.. very much doubt u20's would have made adifference in that regard.
I'm only trying to point out that whilst Armagh were the better side, they didn't exactly blow Down out of the water. That's what I mean by "not that impressive". Yes they won and deservedley so on the day, but there was nothing in that game that you'd come away from saying that Armagh are an amazing side, especially given the fact Down are Div 3 and missing some first choice players.
"Haven't seen anything from Armagh... " How many times have you seen them play 70minutes this year?
Full 70 twice. Once against Tyrone and once against Down. I stand by my point that I haven't seen anything....but once again, doesn't mean they couldn't beat Derry. I'm only commenting on what I've seen. I'm struggling to see where the optimism is coming from for Armagh given the length of time McGeeney has been there and the fact they've just been relegated.
Where does this" overly physical " stuff come from?
Overly physical might be the wrong term. What I mean by that is that they are very highly conditioned and extremely fit and they play a very physical game. That can wear teams down. Armagh look bigger than Derry and I think this approach could work against Derry.
Which tactics were too much for the Dubs in the league final.
FFS. The league final was a dead rubber. No-one cared. The team went on holidays the week leading into it and half of them only returned the night before the game. We were without McKaigue and Glass went off injured. That game will have no bearing on anything. We beat them in the league when it mattered and more importantly, we came from behind to win. That's progress and improvement. When did Armagh last beat Dublin in anything?
Derry may well beat us in the Ulster Final but this myth of Gallagher the master tactician is wearing a bit thin.
A lot of people confusing their dislike of Gallagher on the side line to his tactical approach. His tactics are now being mirrored up and down the country. Galway are doing it. Tyrone tried to. I believe Armagh played ultra defensively in a few games this year. If he was such a poor tacticion, why are so many imitating his tactics? What are McGeeney's tactics? Does he have any outside of route one into the box? But once again, doesn't mean we're a shoe in to win.
Galway embarrassed Derry in Croke Park last year and the League Final showed nothing to suggest that any lessons were taken on board from that.
Catch a grip. We'd just won our first Ulster in over 2 decades. We'd come on in leaps and bounds and had 2 games in Croker. Galway fairly beat us on the day. IMO, partly due to fitness and partly due to the occassion getting to some of the players who didn't perform as well as they could have. They embarrassed us in the league, and if you look at how we played against them in the SF, we did much better. Again that's progress.
I've no issue with people thinking we won't win an AI, I don't see too many Derry people suggesting we are going to anyway.
Time will tell where we are at, but I do have to laugh when people come out with this talk about Armagh having better forwards and defence than Derry with nothing really to base that on.
I've never liked Gallagher form his playing days but he knows how to get this Derry team to play a brand of football which suits them and works for them. It isn't always the prettiest but I'm sure you or anyone else from Derry don't give much thought to that.
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
There certainly won't be any returned from the clubs. I've been told not all members guaranteed the usual 2 tickets. Clones capacity is 28k is it not? It was 36k in it's pomp but think a section of the hill had to be reduced.
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Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
There certainly won't be any returned from the clubs. I've been told not all members guaranteed the usual 2 tickets. Clones capacity is 28k is it not? It was 36k in it's pomp but think a section of the hill had to be reduced.
How much are the tickets?
Gerry Arthur's £30, seats behind goals £25 and terrace/hill £20
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Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 01, 2023, 08:30:22 PM
The manner in which Armagh beat Down should frighten this Derry team a bit. 4 goals. Gallagher might need to make some adjustments because if it becomes a scoring match Armagh have better quality up front.
At least it should be a much better quality game than last year's snooze-fest of a final!
Putting my doubts aside Ill go Derry by 2.
14 scores to 12, not that impressive.
2 of the goals were fortunate, one a mis hit shot that dropped short.
Ok, conditions were poor which would have affected both sets of forwards and the armagh defence shut down out, but remember down were missing a few from u20s as well.
I haven't seen anything from armagh this year to suggest they have better forwards or defence.
But I could be wrong.
What I think will happen is that armagh will be able to keep it tight by being overly physical. But I think, or maybe hope, well have too much for armagh in terms of players and tactics.
Fascinating post.
14 scores t0 12...not that impressive...Game was over 5 minutes into 2nd half.
2 of the goals were fortunate....a tactic Armagh used from minute 1 libg ball in, it only worked 4 times!!
Missing U20's...Down were physically not up to it to a man.. very much doubt u20's would have made adifference in that regard.
I'm only trying to point out that whilst Armagh were the better side, they didn't exactly blow Down out of the water. That's what I mean by "not that impressive". Yes they won and deservedley so on the day, but there was nothing in that game that you'd come away from saying that Armagh are an amazing side, especially given the fact Down are Div 3 and missing some first choice players.
Absolutely blew Down out of the water. Down fans leaving with 20 minutes to go. Ditto Cavan. Ditto Antrim. All div. 3 teams and the results were what you would expect.
"Haven't seen anything from Armagh... " How many times have you seen them play 70minutes this year?
Full 70 twice. Once against Tyrone and once against Down. I stand by my point that I haven't seen anything....but once again, doesn't mean they couldn't beat Derry. I'm only commenting on what I've seen. I'm struggling to see where the optimism is coming from for Armagh given the length of time McGeeney has been there and the fact they've just been relegated.
Kerry are odds on to retain Sam. What has anybody seen from them this year?
We have been competitive in every game this year. Could and maybe should have won against Roscommon. Would have been lucky to do so against Kerry but any 1 point game has a multitude of what ifs.
Where does this" overly physical " stuff come from?
Overly physical might be the wrong term. What I mean by that is that they are very highly conditioned and extremely fit and they play a very physical game. That can wear teams down. Armagh look bigger than Derry and I think this approach could work against Derry.
Which tactics were too much for the Dubs in the league final.
FFS. The league final was a dead rubber. No-one cared. The team went on holidays the week leading into it and half of them only returned the night before the game. We were without McKaigue and Glass went off injured. That game will have no bearing on anything. We beat them in the league when it mattered and more importantly, we came from behind to win. That's progress and improvement. When did Armagh last beat Dublin in anything?
Last year national league division 1...blew them away.
Derry may well beat us in the Ulster Final but this myth of Gallagher the master tactician is wearing a bit thin.
A lot of people confusing their dislike of Gallagher on the side line to his tactical approach. His tactics are now being mirrored up and down the country. Galway are doing it. Tyrone tried to. I believe Armagh played ultra defensively in a few games this year. If he was such a poor tacticion, why are so many imitating his tactics? What are McGeeney's tactics? Does he have any outside of route one into the box? But once again, doesn't mean we're a shoe in to win.
Gallagher isn't doing anything that McAlinden and Canavan weren't doing 25 years ago.
McGuiness mproved it. Harte tweaked it.
Galway embarrassed Derry in Croke Park last year and the League Final showed nothing to suggest that any lessons were taken on board from that.
Catch a grip. We'd just won our first Ulster in over 2 decades. We'd come on in leaps and bounds and had 2 games in Croker. Galway fairly beat us on the day. IMO, partly due to fitness and partly due to the occassion getting to some of the players who didn't perform as well as they could have. They embarrassed us in the league, and if you look at how we played against them in the SF, we did much better. Again that's progress.
I've no issue with people thinking we won't win an AI, I don't see too many Derry people suggesting we are going to anyway.
Time will tell where we are at, but I do have to laugh when people come out with this talk about Armagh having better forwards and defence than Derry with nothing really to base that on.
Mc alinden and Harte had 15 men in the opposition half?
I missed that now.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2023, 05:39:33 PM
I've never liked Gallagher form his playing days but he knows how to get this Derry team to play a brand of football which suits them and works for them. It isn't always the prettiest but I'm sure you or anyone else from Derry don't give much thought to that.
And to be fair, Rory is not a big fan of Tonto, lol
Derry by at least 5
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Quote from: tonto1888 on May 02, 2023, 05:39:33 PM
I've never liked Gallagher form his playing days but he knows how to get this Derry team to play a brand of football which suits them and works for them. It isn't always the prettiest but I'm sure you or anyone else from Derry don't give much thought to that.
And to be fair, Rory is not a big fan of Tonto, lol
He is one of many haha
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 02, 2023, 07:11:27 PM
Gerry Arthur's £30, seats behind goals £25 and terrace/hill £20
Good pay day there.
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
Funny I was going through Ulster title history there recently, Anything Antrim, Monaghan and Cavan mostly won was in the 20's to 1950's, Cavan got a run of 4 titles during the 60's but from the start of the seventies Cavan won 2, Monaghan 4. Not great in 50+ years. Derry went near 25yrs without one too so they def be looking another.
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
He absolutely did. What we say in the league might not have been exciting, but it was designed to drill the defence so that everyone knew what to do. Against Monaghan, Derry worked the ball until the man with the ball was facing McCarron or McManus and he rounded him and scored. Armagh might not be able to stop them doing the same, but they see the danger at least.
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
There is more demand for a final. The season ticket is the cure if you go to every game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2023, 09:50:09 PM
Funny I was going through Ulster title history there recently, Anything Antrim, Monaghan and Cavan mostly won was in the 20's to 1950's, Cavan got a run of 4 titles during the 60's but from the start of the seventies Cavan won 2, Monaghan 4. Not great in 50+ years. Derry went near 25yrs without one too so they def be looking another.
Down have gone more than 25 years afaik
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
No point talking about titles that were won before most players and even most on here were born ffs. Ulster royalty this century was ourselves in the noughties and then Donegal and the other shower in the last decade. Lets hope we can win this one and hopefully a few more soon!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 02, 2023, 09:50:09 PM
Funny I was going through Ulster title history there recently, Anything Antrim, Monaghan and Cavan mostly won was in the 20's to 1950's, Cavan got a run of 4 titles during the 60's but from the start of the seventies Cavan won 2, Monaghan 4. Not great in 50+ years. Derry went near 25yrs without one too so they def be looking another.
From the start until 1955, Armagh, Antrim, Cavan and Monaghan won all the Ulster titles
From 56-59 Tyrone, Derry and Down all won their first titles, then Donegal in 72
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
Bandwagoners... Tell them to pony up and pay their club membership.
High demand games like provincial finals and All Ireland finals have always gone through clubs this isn't new information!!!
Even though I'm a paid up member of a club, it's a lot handier for me to buy my ticket online.
Quote from: Orior on May 03, 2023, 06:45:33 AM
Even though I'm a paid up member of a club, it's a lot handier for me to buy my ticket online.
You'll have to explain that one :o ours is a simple text to said committee member.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 03, 2023, 07:31:33 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 03, 2023, 06:45:33 AM
Even though I'm a paid up member of a club, it's a lot handier for me to buy my ticket online.
You'll have to explain that one :o ours is a simple text to said committee member.
what if theres more demand than tickets?
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 03, 2023, 07:31:33 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 03, 2023, 06:45:33 AM
Even though I'm a paid up member of a club, it's a lot handier for me to buy my ticket online.
You'll have to explain that one :o ours is a simple text to said committee member.
what if theres more demand than tickets?
During the glory years it was mayhem getting tickets for big games, rows galore. Ticket allocations generally went Committee, Players, Active Members, Full Members, the rest. Always plenty who.missed out.
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Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
There is more demand for a final. The season ticket is the cure if you go to every game.
Maybe this should be a new thread but anyway...
Are there many people who are not members of their own clubs but go to their county games regularly?
Or are there many people who just follow their county teams only and have no affiliation to a club?
Load's of people on social media giving out that they've been to every game and aren't a member of a club/active in their club and that it's not fair. Surely if you are such a big fan and know you won't get tickets through a club then the season ticket option is best?
Why anyone would think that a member-driven organisation could/would/should cater for non-members ahead of members, just bewilders me.
This isn't even a case of turkeys don't vote for Christmas. And a committee of men and women who've volunteered their time to the GAA over decades through their club and county, are never, ever going to think any differently about the matter. And nor should they.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 03, 2023, 09:11:08 AM
Why anyone would think that a member-driven organisation could/would/should cater for non-members ahead of members, just bewilders me.
This isn't even a case of turkeys don't vote for Christmas. And a committee of men and women who've volunteered their time to the GAA over decades through their club and county, are never, ever going to think any differently about the matter. And nor should they.
Absolutely agree!
Really looking forward to this game as it's a clash of styles between Derry's all out attcking and Armagh's much more defensive system this year. Derry have been running up some huge scores with players in every position likely to score. What I would worry about though is when we've come up against ultra defensive teams like Galway last year we haven't been able to break them down. Armagh's need to win this game is also probably a bit stronger as Mcgeeney has been there a while with no reward. Derry have left themselves wide open defensively at times as the team has evolved into the much more attacking style and Armagh are likely to exploit this with the class forwards that they have.
There will likely be enough tickets more or less for this game in any case. There is an LGFA game between Armagh and Cavan beforehand, I'm not sure how many come from Cavan but any tickets that come to Armagh will find a home.
The pressure for tickets will arise in the round robin, e.g. Tyrone v Armagh as the grounds will only be 70% of the size of Clones and the league game more or less filled the ground for these fixtures.
While the Armagh following is something to be admired its a bit like a lot of our supporters by pass clubs and support their County like they're following Celtic, Liverpool or United.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 03, 2023, 09:28:19 AM
While the Armagh following is something to be admired its a bit like a lot of our supporters by pass clubs and support their County like they're following Celtic, Liverpool or United.
Show business and glamour of the big day out, no doubt, plus the chance to get full of wine before 11am on a match day does it for many ::)
In my younger days, I'll readily admit a good few pints before heading into Croke Park. I found that whilst I was at the match, I wasn't actually processing a lot of it, it more passed me by than anything else. As for now, I'm stone sober but roaring like a mad man at most games ;D
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Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
Bandwagoners... Tell them to pony up and pay their club membership.
High demand games like provincial finals and All Ireland finals have always gone through clubs this isn't new information!!!
Generally I'd agree.
In my situation though I now live in another county and am a club member there, but still go to all the Derry matches I can.
Looks like I'm going to be ruled out of getting tickets for myself and the kids for the final.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 03, 2023, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 03, 2023, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
Bandwagoners... Tell them to pony up and pay their club membership.
High demand games like provincial finals and All Ireland finals have always gone through clubs this isn't new information!!!
Generally I'd agree.
In my situation though I now live in another county and am a club member there, but still go to all the Derry matches I can.
Looks like I'm going to be ruled out of getting tickets for myself and the kids for the final.
Can you not apply for tickets from your new club?
Quote from: general_lee on May 03, 2023, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 03, 2023, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 03, 2023, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
Bandwagoners... Tell them to pony up and pay their club membership.
High demand games like provincial finals and All Ireland finals have always gone through clubs this isn't new information!!!
Generally I'd agree.
In my situation though I now live in another county and am a club member there, but still go to all the Derry matches I can.
Looks like I'm going to be ruled out of getting tickets for myself and the kids for the final.
Can you not apply for tickets from your new club?
I doubt if any club outside Ulster has any access to tickets for this event and people do live in Dublin etc.
We're having a ballot for Gerry Arthur's stand tickets as demand has exceeded numbers.
Hopefully you all get sorted lads even if you have to head to the hill with the buckfast brigade lol.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 03, 2023, 11:34:50 AM
Hopefully you all get sorted lads even if you have to head to the hill with the buckfast brigade lol.
Gimme the hill any day over sitting with the Ulster GAA blazers 😎
There is a fair chance of this being a sell out. That is a great thing but it comes with the downside of those unable to get tickets.
Any single stream system of distributing tickets will be unfair. Offering some through the clubs and some via general release with a window or the club system to play out first looks fairest.
Sole reliance on the clubs is obviously unfair. Most counties will have a fair percentage of loyal followers who live outside the county and will not be club members in their own county. There has to be some means of them availing tickets. But inevitably some will be disappointed.
This could be a good game but it's guaranteed to be a massive occasion. There are 3 other provincial finals in the the offing for which there is little or no noise and very little anticipation.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 03, 2023, 11:34:50 AM
Hopefully you all get sorted lads even if you have to head to the hill with the buckfast brigade lol.
The question would be, how are busloads of bowsies able to get tickets? Which club provides these?
While there always should be tickets for people who work in clubs, when you get down to the people who just come along then the GAA should be able to integrate some of its data. You could be in a club as a plain member, have bought several tickets in ticketmaster for earlier games, have a GAAGo season ticket, and so be a person that should be able to get tickets at some level, but there is no picture of you when tickets are distributed.
Quote from: general_lee on May 03, 2023, 10:23:52 AM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 03, 2023, 09:58:37 AM
Quote from: screenexile on May 03, 2023, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 10:05:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 02, 2023, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 02, 2023, 05:38:24 PM
Tickets only going to clubs and season tickets. Only going on general sale if any are returned from clubs :-[
What is the issue here? I've seen people (presumably non-GAA members) gurning on Facebook about the clubs getting first preference...
Think the issue is why hasn't it been done in the earlier rounds as opposed to just the final. I know a lot of lads who aren't club members but go to every game
Bandwagoners... Tell them to pony up and pay their club membership.
High demand games like provincial finals and All Ireland finals have always gone through clubs this isn't new information!!!
Generally I'd agree.
In my situation though I now live in another county and am a club member there, but still go to all the Derry matches I can.
Looks like I'm going to be ruled out of getting tickets for myself and the kids for the final.
Can you not apply for tickets from your new club?
I asked last night and for now they are not getting any unless armagh and derry return tickets.
If they get any, I'll be top of the list as entire family are members and I coach. But looking doubtful at the minute.
Should look at a county issue supporters card possible through membership of club Derry or sthing, which you could also get swiped for attending a game. I had serious hassle getting a ticket last year, as my Club had went under, and joining another club didn't feel right. I look at a season ticket nxt year but the value out of them money wise is not what it was 7/8yrs ago when I was last a season ticket holder.
Walter in relation to a ballot, to me it should be among active members in the club, I know a few from Maghera who only ended up at the final without been at any game previous last year. Derry are one of the worst offenders for jump on the bag on wagon supporters, who never go to games only a few years bck.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 03, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
This could be a good game but it's guaranteed to be a massive occasion. There are 3 other provincial finals in the the offing for which there is little or no noise and very little anticipation.
Hopefully it's better than last years snorefest anyway what was happening on the field sucked the energy and excitement from the crowd.
Well if Armagh mirror Derry like Donegal last year I wouldn't be expecting a shot out.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 03, 2023, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 03, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
This could be a good game but it's guaranteed to be a massive occasion. There are 3 other provincial finals in the the offing for which there is little or no noise and very little anticipation.
Hopefully it's better than last years snorefest anyway what was happening on the field sucked the energy and excitement from the crowd.
I enjoyed that game. I was shocked when i got home and saw the reaction. Conclusion from that is as long as Derry win i don't really care how!
Quote from: Mario on May 03, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 03, 2023, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 03, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
This could be a good game but it's guaranteed to be a massive occasion. There are 3 other provincial finals in the the offing for which there is little or no noise and very little anticipation.
Hopefully it's better than last years snorefest anyway what was happening on the field sucked the energy and excitement from the crowd.
I enjoyed that game. I was shocked when i got home and saw the reaction. Conclusion from that is as long as Derry win i don't really care how!
Yeah probably thinking the same myself. Remember thinking at the time vs Kerry and Galway that it was shite football, but we could have won both those games and I would have remembered the result a lot more than the spectacle. Can see this one being cagey as well but would imagine we'll try the long ball as often as possible.
Quote from: Mario on May 03, 2023, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 03, 2023, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 03, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
This could be a good game but it's guaranteed to be a massive occasion. There are 3 other provincial finals in the the offing for which there is little or no noise and very little anticipation.
Hopefully it's better than last years snorefest anyway what was happening on the field sucked the energy and excitement from the crowd.
I enjoyed that game. I was shocked when i got home and saw the reaction. Conclusion from that is as long as Derry win i don't really care how!
Enjoyed it myself. Apart from Lynch near causing a heart attack on a few occasions!
70% probability of rain forecast, albeit it is quite far away at this stage. There will be more than one shower in Clones!
Season tickets out for game, Pat McGrane stand. Does anyone know the seating layout?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on May 03, 2023, 05:35:32 PM
Season tickets out for game, Pat McGrane stand. Does anyone know the seating layout?
https://donegalgaa.ie/tickets-still-available-for-cavan-v-donegal-doubleheader-in-clones-on-sunday/
Quote from: pbat on May 03, 2023, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on May 03, 2023, 05:35:32 PM
Season tickets out for game, Pat McGrane stand. Does anyone know the seating layout?
https://donegalgaa.ie/tickets-still-available-for-cavan-v-donegal-doubleheader-in-clones-on-sunday/
Thanks for that
Listened to the gaa social podcast earlier.
Mcconvilles take is that its 50 50 game with armagh wanting it more so will likely win.
I see his logic.
I just hope he's wrong.
Am sure, Mayo wanted it more against Dublin, just never happened for them.
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 03, 2023, 08:16:07 PM
Listened to the gaa social podcast earlier.
Mcconvilles take is that its 50 50 game with armagh wanting it more so will likely win.
I see his logic.
I just hope he's wrong.
Needing it more, Derry men will be wanting it as much
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2023, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
Topping up their tans alright, must be fair sunny the other side of the blackwater the state of a few of those lads.
Tongue firmly in cheek!
Tyrone ones always like it to be about them though.
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2023, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
😂
Well played rrhf. Well played.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 04, 2023, 09:58:48 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2023, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
😂
Well played rrhf. Well played.
Someone was always going to bite ;D ;D
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2023, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
Fantastic.
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2023, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
Fantastic.
Couple of good bites with that one! ;D
Quote from: JimStynes on May 04, 2023, 11:21:14 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 04, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on May 03, 2023, 09:17:51 PM
Quote from: rrhf on May 02, 2023, 09:33:05 PM
This could be an absolute cracker, and I have a feeling Mc Geeney had Derry in his sights when he had Armagh playing the way they did in the National league.
Ye still have to say its Derry unless Armagh bring the type of chaos they are famous for, and in this Ulster final anything can happen. Derry look very capable towards getting the results required in the group stages of the all Ireland, however having a lifelong record as the second worst team in Ulster history, only ahead of Fermanagh will ensure they will go all out to retain their title, and edge them ever closer to their dreams of matching the likes of Antrim and others as Ulster title heavyweights. Armagh the pretenders will also be looking at making in roads into the successful numbers of the likes of Ulster titles standard bearers Tyrone, Cavan and Monaghan.
The true Ulster heavyweights may well be sunning themselves and topping up their tans on Sunday week as they target readiness for the all Ireland proper but Sunday week is not their day, it is time to let the shadowboxers shadowbox... The bookies and the punters will all back Derry but do not rule out the prospect of Kieran Mc Geeney grimacing in joy at the sight of the Anglo Celt cup on his mantlepiece come Sunday week.
....and Tyrone people wonder why they are detested......dear oh dear. For the size of it and the nationalist population there in, maybe you should be asking what took you so long and why so few....?
Fantastic.
Couple of good bites with that one! ;D
It wasn't even a subtle attempt! Did think anyone would entertain it!!
Will there be a league round of the best club football scene in Ireland or is that set to start in some obscure date in the summer?
Quote from: general_lee on May 04, 2023, 01:06:40 PM
Will there be a league round of the best club football scene in Ireland or is that set to start in some obscure date in the summer?
Derry league going a few weeks lad!
Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+
Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.
Quote from: trailer on May 05, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+
Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.
Not to forget Cavan as well, give us some credit ;)
*next
Quote from: trailer on May 05, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+
Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.
Awk Trailer try abit harder ffs. Won't even get any bites with that.
Quote from: trailer on May 05, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+
Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.
I suppose they can only beat what is in front of them. Unless Armagh fold into themselves completely, they won't get beaten by 10+ points, they have played better quality teams than Derry and end results were not as bad as that.
I would say the game is 50/50, both teams are operating at the same level more or less.
I would say the loser of this game going into the draw with Tyrone and Galway(if things go as expected) will profit more in the AI series than the winner coming up against Monaghan, Donegal and Clare(if things go as expected).
Quote from: trailer on May 05, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+
Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.
Does the best club scene in Ireland have any senior fixtures this weekend?
Or are you all fixated on the first round of the grade III u13.5 whogivesafuck championship ?
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on May 05, 2023, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 05, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+
Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.
I suppose they can only beat what is in front of them. Unless Armagh fold into themselves completely, they won't get beaten by 10+ points, they have played better quality teams than Derry and end results were not as bad as that.
I would say the game is 50/50, both teams are operating at the same level more or less.
I would say the loser of this game going into the draw with Tyrone and Galway(if things go as expected) will profit more in the AI series than the winner coming up against Monaghan, Donegal and Clare(if things go as expected).
The thing is the loser of this game's odds of going through from the group as group winner will surely be less than the winer of this.
However one possible advantage of being the loser is that you would then be pretty much guaranteed to avoid both Galway and Tyrone until the final.
Personally I have it advantage Derry - I'm not sure by how much but Armagh just have more questions marks around them and I would have very little faith in McGeeney on the sideline in terms of game management.
Do both counties get 50/50 split on tickets ? Like 12k or so each?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 05, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
Do both counties get 50/50 split on tickets ? Like 12k or so each?
You'd have to assume thats the case. Is capacity still set at 29k??
Looking like they are going to be scarce either way.
A lot clubs on the socials saying they are over subscribed, and their allocation doesn't come.close to the demand from members.
Was at Ardee this year, wouldn't been too many Derry supporters at it. Not sure why they all crawl out the woodwork come Ulster final time.
Quote from: Estimator on May 05, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 05, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
Do both counties get 50/50 split on tickets ? Like 12k or so each?
You'd have to assume thats the case. Is capacity still set at 29k??
Looking like they are going to be scarce either way.
A lot clubs on the socials saying they are over subscribed, and their allocation doesn't come.close to the demand from members.
Bring it to Croker! ;)
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 05, 2023, 10:40:36 PM
Was at Ardee this year, wouldn't been too many Derry supporters at it. Not sure why they all crawl out the woodwork come Ulster final time.
True, reward for winning they ardee game was greater than fir this year's Ulster title. Count yourself lucky that the fans coming onboard at this stage aren't aware of that or you'd never have got near that ardee game with its 2k capacity.
I have to say I've generally followed Derry through thick and thin (I was one of 300 (?) odd there in 07 v Armagh in clones) but definitely missed a fair few games from the early 2010s until last year, but the noise and colour the new fans brought was fantastic and I'm delighted to see them there (mostly, there's always a few young lads a bit the worse for wear who let the side down). Long may it last.
Quote from: Estimator on May 05, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 05, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
Do both counties get 50/50 split on tickets ? Like 12k or so each?
You'd have to assume thats the case. Is capacity still set at 29k??
Looking like they are going to be scarce either way.
A lot clubs on the socials saying they are over subscribed, and their allocation doesn't come.close to the demand from members.
Here's another one. Does every club get the same number of tickets or do bigger clubs (say Marafelt) get more tickets than say Moneymore?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 06, 2023, 05:25:10 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 05, 2023, 10:04:46 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 05, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
Do both counties get 50/50 split on tickets ? Like 12k or so each?
You'd have to assume thats the case. Is capacity still set at 29k??
Looking like they are going to be scarce either way.
A lot clubs on the socials saying they are over subscribed, and their allocation doesn't come.close to the demand from members.
Here's another one. Does every club get the same number of tickets or do bigger clubs (say Marafelt) get more tickets than say Moneymore?
all the same in armagh afaik
Quote from: Steps on May 01, 2023, 10:06:12 PM
The most important question is will Derry be wearing all red? They are listed first, does this make a difference? Do both teams have to wear away. Down obviously red but less of a clash with black
White with red band is our first kit, the red is our alternate.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 03, 2023, 03:44:07 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 03, 2023, 11:58:02 AM
This could be a good game but it's guaranteed to be a massive occasion. There are 3 other provincial finals in the the offing for which there is little or no noise and very little anticipation.
Hopefully it's better than last years snorefest anyway what was happening on the field sucked the energy and excitement from the crowd.
It got quiet at times alright, but for those in attendance it was incredibly tense, total edge of the seat stuff the whole way through. At the time I knew it couldn't be appealing to most neutrals, but it was definitely one of those occasions where you had to be there and the last few minutes are definitely my top gaa moment of the last few years!
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
The same was said of Donegal. Donegal in 2012 were fantastic to watch. The pace they broke at, and Derry are likewise, was phenomenal.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 05, 2023, 08:39:33 PM
Do both counties get 50/50 split on tickets ? Like 12k or so each?
Smiling
Daughters who is doing finals at present with ulster final in the middle said last night
Da are you getting me my ticket for the hill and can you drive .
She was in croke last year for the Galway game and in her words everyone is going because when was the last time Armagh were in a final!
Just smiling because she is under so much stress .
Sometimes we under estimate the joy that gaa gives to everyone
Quote from: Mario on May 06, 2023, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
I think the thing that did it for me was the semi final v galway. Getting well beat yet continued to play the same way. I did not attend that game but heard a few say it was abysmal. Maybe that was 1 or 2 of the ones mentioned above. Its brutal to watch but as was the case last year, it'll be found out at croker
Wouldn't expect the losers to profit too much. After hidings by Tyrone Galway they have to lift themselves for a not to be underestimated Westmeath team. Can see the losers going no further. Strange ruling if true that suspensions do not carry over from provincials as it is deemed a new competition.
Quote from: rrhf on May 06, 2023, 03:52:07 PM
Wouldn't expect the losers to profit too much. After hidings by Tyrone Galway they have to lift themselves for a not to be underestimated Westmeath team. Can see the losers going no further. Strange ruling if true that suspensions do not carry over from provincials as it is deemed a new competition.
Good try, but HTF is Tyrone going to give Derry a hiding when they couldn't even beat Monaghan?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 06, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
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Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
So what teams don't drop everyone back when they lose possession?
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 06, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
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Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
So what teams don't drop everyone back when they lose possession?
Any team that kicks the ball forward when they win possession. They have to have someone to kick it to.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 06, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 06, 2023, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
Indeed an average points total of 25 points in the Ulster Championship is total puke football... Jesus! 🤦🏼♂️
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 06, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 06, 2023, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
Indeed an average points total of 25 points in the Ulster Championship is total puke football... Jesus! 🤦🏼♂️
Who said puke football?
Just said they are not an attacking team and not that interesting to watch. Definitely more attacking this year and who knows maybe in the Ulster final they will be brave enough to kick the ball forward when they win possession. I do think they want to move in that direction. But haven't done so yet.
Quote from: screenexile on May 06, 2023, 08:55:08 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 06, 2023, 01:27:51 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 06, 2023, 07:59:54 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
Indeed an average points total of 25 points in the Ulster Championship is total puke football... Jesus! 🤦🏼♂️
I wouldn't even bother engaging with this sort of conversation.
It's similar to the auld fellas who can't understand why they don't just kick it Into the square every time.
I don't really care if others are bored when derry play. And I particularly dont mind if other teams think derry are not an attacking side. It just makes us more of a challenge when they realise they have underestimated us.
Derry's attacking play has evolved from last year.
Many other teams now set up the same way as derry, so I suppose none of them will be able to do it in croke Park. Even if someone with the knowledge and experience of eamon fitzmaurice thinks its suited to CP. He's just wrong! ::)
I'm not saying derry are going to win an AI or even that they'll def win Ulster because I've followed derry for long enough to always expect an implosion. but some of this "analysis" is based on nothing more than a dislike for Derry and/or Gallagher.
People forget this team has a lot of players who have been at the top of club football in Ulster and ireland for the last 5 odd years. There's a number of players who have played in AI minor finals. There's good footballers there and good management. We'll make it tough for anyone.
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Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 07:39:59 AM
Not sure if you are a derry fan but I would well believe that winning an Ulster title is one of your top five moments in what 25 years? 97 the last ulster title.
I would love to be heading to clones for this as the atmosphere would be great. Tyrone haven't had too many big days out in clones in recent years. Can see the game being an absolute snoorefest again. Gaelic football has gone that way but derry take it to a different level
Do you actually watch Derry? How many games in the last 3 years have been a snorefest? 2 id say, which is a better ratio than most teams. Nearly every team defends the same way as Derry, occasionally they'll leave 1 or 2 up but for the most part it's 15 behind the ball. Derry commit more players to attack than any team in the country - everyone (inc goalkeeper) except Chrissy Mckaigue. So much lazy analysis that we are just like Donegal 2011, just because Gallagher is manager. You can have an issue with modern football but Derry are far from the worst to watch. I'd say Galway or Armagh are the worst teams to watch this year.
I think you are looking at this through the wrong lens.
If you are playing against a team that drops back as soon as possession is conceded then you are going to play 15 in attack. That doesn't make you attacking. It's just that you end up working the ball up the field slowly through low risk possession.
If Derry are an attacking team they will leave forwards up the pitch, kick it to them and get those forwards to win the ball back when in attacking positions. Let's see how attacking they are.
Indeed an average points total of 25 points in the Ulster Championship is total puke football... Jesus! 🤦🏼♂️
I wouldn't even bother engaging with this sort of conversation.
It's similar to the auld fellas who can't understand why they don't just kick it Into the square every time.
I don't really care if others are bored when derry play. And I particularly dont mind if other teams think derry are not an attacking side. It just makes us more of a challenge when they realise they have underestimated us.
Derry's attacking play has evolved from last year.
Many other teams now set up the same way as derry, so I suppose none of them will be able to do it in croke Park. Even if someone with the knowledge and experience of eamon fitzmaurice thinks its suited to CP. He's just wrong! ::)
I'm not saying derry are going to win an AI or even that they'll def win Ulster because I've followed derry for long enough to always expect an implosion. but some of this "analysis" is based on nothing more than a dislike for Derry and/or Gallagher.
People forget this team has a lot of players who have been at the top of club football in Ulster and ireland for the last 5 odd years. There's a number of players who have played in AI minor finals. There's good footballers there and good management. We'll make it tough for anyone.
We are edging towards the next post being a robust defence of Gallagher/Derry on the charge of invading Poland or some intrigue with the previously pious Dana.
First we have the reaction to charge of puke football, overlooking the small issue of nobody making the charge and then there is this idea that people are calling for the ball to be launched into the square when any chat about this must have been in some silent code. Overreactions are usually excessive reactions to something that has actually occurred. But this invention of a slight seemingly for the purposes of overreacting to it is a march in to new territory.
I have never said Derry play puke football. I have never said they need to launch it into the square. I have said that to date they don't play attacking football. But Gallagher isn't stupid. He knows they will have to make strides in that direction.
We've scored an average of 25 points in our last 2 games and attack with all 15 players yet you don't think we play "attacking football" ... have a word with yourself!
Well if Derry play attacking football the game really is screwed
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Well if Derry play attacking football the game really is screwed
Can a team not play both? How do you register big scores without playing attacking football?
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Well if Derry play attacking football the game really is screwed
They put up 1-21 against Monaghan, thats 22 scores, or more than one every 3mins. What more do people want?
David Gough will be the ref for this Ulster final.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 06, 2023, 01:40:46 PM
I think the thing that did it for me was the semi final v galway. Getting well beat yet continued to play the same way. I did not attend that game but heard a few say it was abysmal. Maybe that was 1 or 2 of the ones mentioned above. Its brutal to watch but as was the case last year, it'll be found out at croker
The Galway semi and the Ulster final were probably the two worst examples - what did they have in common? On both occasions Galway and Donegal set up to nullify Derry's game plan of breaking at speed which had been features of their games with Tyrone, Monaghan and Clare.
We see keep ball in most games now - it's what teams do to impose their game plan on the opposition and it's a standard reaction to ultra defence.
I agree it's utterly horrible to watch, but until the rules committee come up with the required tweaks, we're going to keep on seeing it. What was unique about Derry v Donegal in contrast to almost every other top level intercounty game we see it in, is that both teams kept it up for about 88 mins - certainly excessive! In most other games we see it for a half, then football breaks out!!
The worst thing about keep ball is when it permeates down to club level - at least at intercounty players have the ability to break at pace, take great scores etc, but I've seen low level club games recently which are unwatchable, endless recycling with no end product!
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 06, 2023, 08:53:45 AM
The same was said of Donegal. Donegal in 2012 were fantastic to watch. The pace they broke at, and Derry are likewise, was phenomenal.
Agree 💯 - McGlynn haring up the pitch in croker that year is my standout memory. They played some great stuff at times, amazing work rate.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 06, 2023, 08:53:45 AM
The same was said of Donegal. Donegal in 2012 were fantastic to watch. The pace they broke at, and Derry are likewise, was phenomenal.
It's still said today by some. Not sure if they had poor memories are simply weren't watching Donegal 2012 matches right. Derry have a bit to go to match that Donegal team yet however I do see similarities, Donegal learnt plenty from their 2011 campaign remains to be seen how much Derry learnt from last years campaign.
Really looking forward to this game as it's a clash of styles between Derry's all out attcking and Armagh's much more defensive system this year. Derry have been running up some huge scores with players in every position likely to score. What I would worry about though is when we've come up against ultra defensive teams like Galway last year we haven't been able to break them down. Armagh's need to win this game is also probably a bit stronger as Mcgeeney has been there a while with no reward. Derry have left themselves wide open defensively at times as the team has evolved into the much more attacking style and Armagh are likely to exploit this with the class forwards that they have.
Armagh played defensive football in the league and it more than blunted their attacking capabilities. The signs in the 3 championship games to date is that they have reverted to their natural game. That said none of their championship opponents to date have been remotely close to Division One quality. Armagh have a big call to make. Stick with the 2022 gameplan that they have reverted to in Ulster or retreat to a negative game.
Any team that moves the ball sideways when they win it and edges up the field with zero risk passes and then tries to work a score or a free when the inevitable 14 vs 14 or 15 vs 15 chess match of sideways passing isn't attacking.
Any team that turns their back on play and immediately retreats to the preordained line of their blanket defence as soon as they lose possession isn't attacking.
Many teams have played that way and racked up decent scores because they are very good at it and they put poor teams to the sword or they pick of scores on the break against teams that are trailing but it's not attacking football and it isn't great to watch.
Had to watch Down try it last week. Only they don't have a McGuigan. Or a Glass, or a Rogers or a Cassidy or indeed a clue.
Derry start favourites. Marginal but definite favourites. Let's hope it isn't a lateral snoozefest. Football can be quite good if played right.
Tyrone had to revert to this style as they couldn't beat donegal. As a result they put up huge scores in ulster versus armagh and derry for example. Tyrone beat armagh by 18 points in 2017 and derry by 11 the same year. Even donegal by 9. Different story at croke Park though and took a few big match defeats. They could have continued on this trajectory but in order to try and win the big prize they had to accept losing a few ulsters. Score wise it was great but as a spectacle they weren't great. The only way to beat it is to replicate it
This theory of Derrys style not working at CP is utter tosh. If anything it's more suited with Rogers further up the field! Yes we're more vulnerable at the back but high risk high reward is the only way to get over the line. With Ciaran McFaul coming back into the side (best kick passer in Derry, if not Ulster) it will only evolve the style further.
Galway beat us last year as they were the better side. We missed the boat not going 5 up and they cleaned out our kickouts.
Don't know why the counties are not recruiting their managers from here.
There seems to be an abundance of GAA strategists and experts here. Would live to read their CVs. Must be very impressive.
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 07, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Don't know why the counties are not recruiting their managers from here.
There seems to be an abundance of GAA strategists and experts here. Would live to read their CVs. Must be very impressive.
Poster on GAA discussion site critiques fellow posters on GAA discussion site......
There you have it ladies and gentlemen!
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 07, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Don't know why the counties are not recruiting their managers from here.
There seems to be an abundance of GAA strategists and experts here. Would live to read their CVs. Must be very impressive.
Imagine people discussing teams tactics and gameplan on a gaa discussion forum. Disgraceful from them
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2023, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 07, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Don't know why the counties are not recruiting their managers from here.
There seems to be an abundance of GAA strategists and experts here. Would live to read their CVs. Must be very impressive.
Imagine people discussing teams tactics and gameplan on a gaa discussion forum. Disgraceful from them
Lol
Derry play to a game plan with what players they got available. If Enda Muldoon and the Bradleys were in this age group I expect we play more attacking as they have the ability to take long range scores. The fact that Derry wouldn't bring in a outside manager (Always went internally when only M Moran had a decent CV) when they had a serious panel of players back then, is an indictment of how badly we were run at the time.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2023, 11:35:13 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 07, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Don't know why the counties are not recruiting their managers from here.
There seems to be an abundance of GAA strategists and experts here. Would live to read their CVs. Must be very impressive.
Imagine people discussing teams tactics and gameplan on a gaa discussion forum. Disgraceful from them
Lol
Well I won't be trying to flatter you all, ever again then.
Well now, a Damascene Conversion or an admission that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/pat-spillane-derry-brand-gaa-553144
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 08, 2023, 07:44:07 AM
Well now, a Damascene Conversion or an admission that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
https://www.balls.ie/gaa/pat-spillane-derry-brand-gaa-553144
Well done to Pat and the secret is he's actually watching Derry play instead of having preset opinions and coming out with clichés like the obnoxious sean cavanagh on the Sunday game.
I'm not hearing of many tickets doing the rounds, they seem scarce enough. Doesn't look like any have been returned for general sale via Ticketmaster. In Armagh, a lot of clubs saying they've been oversubscribed with ticket requests, some saying that demand is 2 to 1, which means a raffle of whatever tickets they have.
My sister's 11 year old got a Hill ticket from their club, but they're obviously not for sending the child onto the hill on their own, so in the search for another hill ticket if anyone has one going spare pls would appreciate a PM, thank you.
Yeah at least 2 to 1 ffs. Hope everyone gets sorted. Rough estimate if clubs get 114 tickets each, say 50 clubs in each county? 5700 per county thats only 11k total. Where are the rest?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 10:08:06 AM
Yeah at least 2 to 1 ffs. Hope everyone gets sorted. Rough estimate if clubs get 114 tickets each, say 50 clubs in each county? 5700 per county thats only 11k total. Where are the rest?
I suspect clubs are getting a lot more than 114 tickets each.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 09, 2023, 09:59:16 AM
I'm not hearing of many tickets doing the rounds, they seem scarce enough. Doesn't look like any have been returned for general sale via Ticketmaster. In Armagh, a lot of clubs saying they've been oversubscribed with ticket requests, some saying that demand is 2 to 1, which means a raffle of whatever tickets they have.
My sister's 11 year old got a Hill ticket from their club, but they're obviously not for sending the child onto the hill on their own, so in the search for another hill ticket if anyone has one going spare pls would appreciate a PM, thank you.
In all the information given out regarding tickets for the Ulster Final, stated that there would be no juvenile tickets issued for the Hill. Not sure if it was for Health and Safety reasons, but there had to be something behind that decision.
Quote from: Mario on May 09, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 10:08:06 AM
Yeah at least 2 to 1 ffs. Hope everyone gets sorted. Rough estimate if clubs get 114 tickets each, say 50 clubs in each county? 5700 per county thats only 11k total. Where are the rest?
I suspect clubs are getting a lot more than 114 tickets each.
Read on twitter that it was 194 tickets per club in Armagh, with 44 clubs = approx 9,000 tickets
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 09, 2023, 10:31:42 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 10:08:06 AM
Yeah at least 2 to 1 ffs. Hope everyone gets sorted. Rough estimate if clubs get 114 tickets each, say 50 clubs in each county? 5700 per county thats only 11k total. Where are the rest?
I suspect clubs are getting a lot more than 114 tickets each.
Read on twitter that it was 194 tickets per club in Armagh, with 44 clubs = approx 9,000 tickets
Think it was Killeavey who had it on their social media they were getting 114 tickets. This will have surely increased though. Not much use to them though as they had over 600 requests!
I would have assumed that clubs put their requests in for tickets then they are allocated based on club size? So larger clubs (i.e. clubs with a larger membership) get more tickets than smaller clubs. Does every club get the same fixed amount of tickets? And why would Armagh clubs get more than Derry clubs?
Or perhaps those figures are averages across all clubs in the county?
Once again the GAA doesn't exactly cover itself in glory when it comes to transparency of where tickets go.
I think I've managed to get sorted with tickets, standing at the road end so not the best tickets, but just happy I can get now and bring the kids. It wasn't looking good there for a while though.
On a slightly different topic, has any traffic info been made public yet? Last year I remember info came out on some road closures on the day. Just trying to plan the route.
have armagh got more tickets than derry?
if so the only reason i can think of would be as the armagh ladies are also playing on the day
Quote from: orchardarmy02 on May 09, 2023, 11:52:42 AM
have armagh got more tickets than derry?
if so the only reason i can think of would be as the armagh ladies are also playing on the day
Yeah I would say we have because of this which is probably only fair.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2023, 01:19:25 PM
Derry play to a game plan with what players they got available. If Enda Muldoon and the Bradleys were in this age group I expect we play more attacking as they have the ability to take long range scores. The fact that Derry wouldn't bring in a outside manager (Always went internally when only M Moran had a decent CV) when they had a serious panel of players back then, is an indictment of how badly we were run at the time.
Enjoyed reading that. Paddy and Eoin wouldn't have lasted to long with Gallagher. Paddy would never make a run to create any space for anyone else and neither brothers would want to have past their own 65 to tackle. Jez, man, what have you watched. Muldoon would fit into any team.
Any ideas on the uptake of tickets from the Derry city clubs? Surely wouldn't be the same demand for tickets. Holding out for any hope some go on general sale 🤣
Quote from: balladmaker on May 09, 2023, 09:59:16 AM
I'm not hearing of many tickets doing the rounds, they seem scarce enough. Doesn't look like any have been returned for general sale via Ticketmaster. In Armagh, a lot of clubs saying they've been oversubscribed with ticket requests, some saying that demand is 2 to 1, which means a raffle of whatever tickets they have.
My sister's 11 year old got a Hill ticket from their club, but they're obviously not for sending the child onto the hill on their own, so in the search for another hill ticket if anyone has one going spare pls would appreciate a PM, thank you.
Just another reason why we need Casement built. Hope they get sorted.
Quote from: markl121 on May 09, 2023, 12:16:23 PM
Any ideas on the uptake of tickets from the Derry city clubs? Surely wouldn't be the same demand for tickets. Holding out for any hope some go on general sale 🤣
genuinely dont think there will be any on public sale
the amount of requests in armagh for tickets are phenomenal, and as at last saturday my club had received 114 with hopefully some more last night
people seem to forget we are a big supported county and its our first final in 15 years
any derry tickets will be passed to armagh to distribute to the clubs in armagh
we mightnt be favourites but everyone wants to be there just in case
Quote from: naka on May 09, 2023, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 09, 2023, 12:16:23 PM
Any ideas on the uptake of tickets from the Derry city clubs? Surely wouldn't be the same demand for tickets. Holding out for any hope some go on general sale 🤣
genuinely dont think there will be any on public sale
the amount of requests in armagh for tickets are phenomenal, and as at last saturday my club had received 114 with hopefully some more last night
people seem to forget we are a big supported county and its our first final in 15 years
any derry tickets will be passed to armagh to distribute to the clubs in armagh
we mightnt be favourites but everyone wants to be there just in case
You can rest assured no tickets will be passed from Derry to Armagh. Believe over 600 requested in my club with a ballot required.
Quote from: naka on May 09, 2023, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: markl121 on May 09, 2023, 12:16:23 PM
Any ideas on the uptake of tickets from the Derry city clubs? Surely wouldn't be the same demand for tickets. Holding out for any hope some go on general sale 🤣
genuinely dont think there will be any on public sale
the amount of requests in armagh for tickets are phenomenal, and as at last saturday my club had received 114 with hopefully some more last night
people seem to forget we are a big supported county and its our first final in 15 years
any derry tickets will be passed to armagh to distribute to the clubs in armagh
we mightnt be favourites but everyone wants to be there just in case
I'd say there's zero chance of this happening. Every club i've heard of, large and small, have had more tickets requested than available.
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
A lot of people move away to other counties. They might be a member of a club but not a club in their home county.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
Quote from: Mario on May 09, 2023, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
A lot of people move away to other counties. They might be a member of a club but not a club in their home county.
Isn't that what a season ticket is/was for? Reward loyalty and access to tickets for club and non club members.
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
Agreed. Double header would have close to sold out Croker i reckon.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
Agreed. Double header would have close to sold out Croker i reckon.
The big thing is it wouldn't have been in that complete kip in Clones. At least families could have went down to a sell out game and had good facilities than a stadium that wouldn't look out of place in a 3rd World Country.
Looks like I'll have to sort the season ticket again then for next year. Had it when we were in div 3 and 4 but didn't really see much value in it. But I guess when you're looking for sell out games it's the only guarantee now.
heads should roll in the ulster gaa for this
derry going for 2 in a row, armagh in their first final in 15 years
ffs we played tyrone in croke and donegal in croke in the early noughties.
surely someone has a modicum of intelligence running the organisation and thought of a double header with the dubs
following the casement debacle its a shambles
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:47:03 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 09, 2023, 01:44:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
A lot of people move away to other counties. They might be a member of a club but not a club in their home county.
Isn't that what a season ticket is/was for? Reward loyalty and access to tickets for club and non club members.
That might work for some.
I can only talk about my own scenario, former club member in Derry. Now live in another county where my kids play and I coach. I pay membership in that club. We are still all Derry fans and go to as many Derry games (and still some club championship games) as possible.
For me to buy season tickets my family to be in with a chance of getting tickets if we get to a final of some sort just seems to risky from an expense point of view.
Is there any such thing as a family season ticket?
My situation is probably similar to many others, but probably not to thousands of others so I can see why as an organisation not that much consideration is given to the likes of me.
As a team gets more successful, it's always going to be more difficult to get tickets which is disappointing. There are plenty of club members who never go to a game, but as soon as a final comes along, the bandwagon starts and those members are first in line for tickets at the expense of others.
Not sure how to fix that.
A start would be to centralise the ticketing system for all games, keep a digital record of ticket purchases for each member and reward frequent buyers with pre-sales maybe? Perhaps a bit too ticketmaster orientated that approach, however, it would be easier to ensure regular match goers are more likely to get tickets for big games.
Request:
Could all the Derry wans approach Clones via Monaghan town?
That should leave me a nice clear run from Fivemiletown.
Thank you.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 09, 2023, 01:59:07 PM
A start would be to centralise the ticketing system for all games, keep a digital record of ticket purchases for each member and reward frequent buyers with pre-sales maybe? Perhaps a bit too ticketmaster orientated that approach, however, it would be easier to ensure regular match goers are more likely to get tickets for big games.
I think last year that Armagh club games, Ulster club games and Intercounty games had 3 different ticket systems!
If they are going to use electronic tickets then use one system.
1. One ticket system where you logon
2. discount on same for GAA members e.g. 10%
3. GAAGo also to provide discount for GAA members and Season ticket holders e.g. one free game or playback of county games after the event or reduced pass for the season.
-ticket distribution to clubs to deal with people actually working in the club, not one size fits all per club but according to the number of teams fielded etc.
-ticket distribution to mere spectators based on previous attendance, if there is a shortage then people who went to less popular games, including club games, get first shout for more popular games
-As these two groups may overlap then people with multiple eligibility may get a better ticket in the stand or the ability to get some more tickets than others
Done right this would actually make life easier for clubs who wouldn't have hordes descending on them but would have tickets for their core people. The present ticket distribution is not transparent and it discriminates against people who now live outside their county.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
It's hard to know. Good talk in Louth but I'd be surprised if it tops 40k.
That leaves another 40k for an Ulster final.
How many more tickets is that each? 3k?
And then the headlines would be about the expenses been put on Derry supporters for a trip to Croke park for the sake of 3k extra tickets. Remember a lot of tickets in Croke park are premium level and corporate which may not even be available this weekend as lot of corporate places just sit on them until the big days. All the regulars will have snapped up the Leinster tickets but ones holding them down the south mightn't even know the games are on.
It's hilarious the sense of entitlement of some non-GAA members.
Ask not what your club can do for you.
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
It's hard to know. Good talk in Louth but I'd be surprised if it tops 40k.
That leaves another 40k for an Ulster final.
How many more tickets is that each? 3k?
And then the headlines would be about the expenses been put on Derry supporters for a trip to Croke park for the sake of 3k extra tickets. Remember a lot of tickets in Croke park are premium level and corporate which may not even be available this weekend as lot of corporate places just sit on them until the big days. All the regulars will have snapped up the Leinster tickets but ones holding them down the south mightn't even know the games are on.
28k for Clones. That would be a significant help for those looking to be at the final. I agree it would have required foresight but i'd say it was doable in a 2 week window.
Quote from: general_lee on May 09, 2023, 02:23:33 PM
It's hilarious the sense of entitlement of some non-GAA members.
Ask not what your club can do for you.
I know of more than one club who have just ran an open draw between members. what you put into the club in terms of playing, coaching, maintenance etc were not taken into account.
The foundations of the GAA is based on volunteerism and the clubs. Those members should always be sorted first. If then tickets are left over for non members then great but if not then it is tough unfortunately.
At least it isn't on GAAGO.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
It's hard to know. Good talk in Louth but I'd be surprised if it tops 40k.
That leaves another 40k for an Ulster final.
How many more tickets is that each? 3k?
And then the headlines would be about the expenses been put on Derry supporters for a trip to Croke park for the sake of 3k extra tickets. Remember a lot of tickets in Croke park are premium level and corporate which may not even be available this weekend as lot of corporate places just sit on them until the big days. All the regulars will have snapped up the Leinster tickets but ones holding them down the south mightn't even know the games are on.
28k for Clones. That would be a significant help for those looking to be at the final. I agree it would have required foresight but i'd say it was doable in a 2 week window.
Last year was first year that final dipped below 40k in Leinster and then expected mid to high 40s. Will return of Cluxton and others against a bandwagon of Louth take out more Dubs on the day.
Been honest i don't think they'd have been much more than 30k available to both counties. Were Leinster GAA going to hand these over? Dilute their blue ribbon day into a double header? Plus different pricing structures for tickets in both provinces.
Never going to happen and pie in sky even thinking on it.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 09, 2023, 02:23:33 PM
It's hilarious the sense of entitlement of some non-GAA members.
Ask not what your club can do for you.
I know of more than one club who have just ran an open draw between members. what you put into the club in terms of playing, coaching, maintenance etc were not taken into account.
I've seen clowns complaining on social media that GAA members were getting preferential treatment over non-GAA members...
How individual clubs allocate their tickets is up to themselves.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
It's hard to know. Good talk in Louth but I'd be surprised if it tops 40k.
That leaves another 40k for an Ulster final.
How many more tickets is that each? 3k?
And then the headlines would be about the expenses been put on Derry supporters for a trip to Croke park for the sake of 3k extra tickets. Remember a lot of tickets in Croke park are premium level and corporate which may not even be available this weekend as lot of corporate places just sit on them until the big days. All the regulars will have snapped up the Leinster tickets but ones holding them down the south mightn't even know the games are on.
28k for Clones. That would be a significant help for those looking to be at the final. I agree it would have required foresight but i'd say it was doable in a 2 week window.
is it not even less than 28k now with some heath and safety stuff?
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
It's hard to know. Good talk in Louth but I'd be surprised if it tops 40k.
That leaves another 40k for an Ulster final.
How many more tickets is that each? 3k?
And then the headlines would be about the expenses been put on Derry supporters for a trip to Croke park for the sake of 3k extra tickets. Remember a lot of tickets in Croke park are premium level and corporate which may not even be available this weekend as lot of corporate places just sit on them until the big days. All the regulars will have snapped up the Leinster tickets but ones holding them down the south mightn't even know the games are on.
28k for Clones. That would be a significant help for those looking to be at the final. I agree it would have required foresight but i'd say it was doable in a 2 week window.
Last year was first year that final dipped below 40k in Leinster and then expected mid to high 40s. Will return of Cluxton and others against a bandwagon of Louth take out more Dubs on the day.
Been honest i don't think they'd have been much more than 30k available to both counties. Were Leinster GAA going to hand these over? Dilute their blue ribbon day into a double header? Plus different pricing structures for tickets in both provinces.
Never going to happen and pie in sky even thinking on it.
any reason it couldn't have been standalone on thr Saturday then?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Clubs got 114 tickets each. Demand far exceeds that
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 09, 2023, 02:40:28 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:29:14 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 02:24:53 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:49:45 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 09, 2023, 01:42:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Some arent, and i think that's a shame. If you are a big county supporter and not a club member, perhaps a season ticket should be in your future.
That said, this has been a particular shambles. Clubs are receiving a massive number of requests from members and thus lots and lots of members cant get a whiff of a ticket. The demand was there from very early on and Croke Park could have been considered. Even a double header with the Dubs.
And do you think there will be an extra 10,000 available to each county by moving it to Croke Park as a double header? Should this have just been done this week or last week when Armagh made it?
Sometimes in life everyone can't just get to be where they want to be. You just have to hope you're a lucky one or make alternatives.
What attendance is expected for the Louth game?
It's hard to know. Good talk in Louth but I'd be surprised if it tops 40k.
That leaves another 40k for an Ulster final.
How many more tickets is that each? 3k?
And then the headlines would be about the expenses been put on Derry supporters for a trip to Croke park for the sake of 3k extra tickets. Remember a lot of tickets in Croke park are premium level and corporate which may not even be available this weekend as lot of corporate places just sit on them until the big days. All the regulars will have snapped up the Leinster tickets but ones holding them down the south mightn't even know the games are on.
28k for Clones. That would be a significant help for those looking to be at the final. I agree it would have required foresight but i'd say it was doable in a 2 week window.
Last year was first year that final dipped below 40k in Leinster and then expected mid to high 40s. Will return of Cluxton and others against a bandwagon of Louth take out more Dubs on the day.
Been honest i don't think they'd have been much more than 30k available to both counties. Were Leinster GAA going to hand these over? Dilute their blue ribbon day into a double header? Plus different pricing structures for tickets in both provinces.
Never going to happen and pie in sky even thinking on it.
any reason it couldn't have been standalone on thr Saturday then?
You can ask them that but assume TV schedules agreed and it's a hot topic these days 😂
Sure isn't it great to see the demand! The boom is back.
Quote from: trailer on May 09, 2023, 02:26:39 PM
The foundations of the GAA is based on volunteerism and the clubs. Those members should always be sorted first. If then tickets are left over for non members then great but if not then it is tough unfortunately.
At least it isn't on GAAGO.
I agree with the principle, but it doesn't account for volunteers/member who no longer live in their home county.
If you are complaining about the cost of Casement and whether there is a need or not and you haven't got tickets for Sunday then I want to hear from you!
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 09, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 09, 2023, 02:26:39 PM
The foundations of the GAA is based on volunteerism and the clubs. Those members should always be sorted first. If then tickets are left over for non members then great but if not then it is tough unfortunately.
At least it isn't on GAAGO.
I agree with the principle, but it doesn't account for volunteers/member who no longer live in their home county.
Agreed (I'm in a similar position - but not from Derry/Armagh).
But doesn't the season ticket solve this problem?
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 09, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 09, 2023, 02:26:39 PM
The foundations of the GAA is based on volunteerism and the clubs. Those members should always be sorted first. If then tickets are left over for non members then great but if not then it is tough unfortunately.
At least it isn't on GAAGO.
I agree with the principle, but it doesn't account for volunteers/member who no longer live in their home county.
Doesn't every club in Ulster have a right to tickets? If you are a member of a local club then ask them.
I got tickets to the All Ireland Hurling final last year this way. Got two tickets for me and my son.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Sure isn't it great to see the demand! The boom is back.
The thing is if people really want tickets and chase them down, vast majority who want them will be in Clones on Sunday.
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Sure isn't it great to see the demand! The boom is back.
The thing is if people really want tickets and chase them down, vast majority who want them will be in Clones on Sunday.
As I said previously though, nevermind the demand for tickets. The fact that Ulster's biggest game in years is being played in a Third World standard stadium. It's embarrassing how run down the place is. Getting in and out of the place is a disaster too!
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 09, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 09, 2023, 02:26:39 PM
The foundations of the GAA is based on volunteerism and the clubs. Those members should always be sorted first. If then tickets are left over for non members then great but if not then it is tough unfortunately.
At least it isn't on GAAGO.
I agree with the principle, but it doesn't account for volunteers/member who no longer live in their home county.
Nothing to stop them from supporting the local club and paying their membership anyway.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Sure isn't it great to see the demand! The boom is back.
The thing is if people really want tickets and chase them down, vast majority who want them will be in Clones on Sunday.
As I said previously though, nevermind the demand for tickets. The fact that Ulster's biggest game in years is being played in a Third World standard stadium. It's embarrassing how run down the place is. Getting in and out of the place is a disaster too!
Aye, Casement should have been built for this game and then, fingers crossed, it be full again in 5 or 6 years. Probably for a soccer or rugby game.
Ulster GAA Facebook page getting a right good battering. The usual Grab All Association line being trotted out and calling club members casuals and armchair fans amongst the abuse. I'd have thought it was the other way around a person who follows county only being the casual.
Armagh and Derry fans will have some shock when they see how All Ireland final tickets are distributed if either get that far. . .
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Sure isn't it great to see the demand! The boom is back.
The thing is if people really want tickets and chase them down, vast majority who want them will be in Clones on Sunday.
As I said previously though, nevermind the demand for tickets. The fact that Ulster's biggest game in years is being played in a Third World standard stadium. It's embarrassing how run down the place is. Getting in and out of the place is a disaster too!
The biggest kip I know. A f**king embarrassment to the GAA.
Give me the shit stadium, the queues, the walk up the hill, the uncovered stand every day of the week before a state of the art casement Park. I want to see casement built but it won't have one bit of the atmosphere of clones both inside and outside the stadium. A great venue and not a prawn sandwich in sight
Quote from: An Watcher on May 09, 2023, 03:29:16 PM
Give me the shit stadium, the queues, the walk up the hill, the uncovered stand every day of the week before a state of the art casement Park. I want to see casement built but it won't have one bit of the atmosphere of clones both inside and outside the stadium. A great venue and not a prawn sandwich in sight
I can put up eith it being a shit hole, genuinely doesn't bother me at this stage. It's the fact that its too small to meet the demand
So, no tickets through ticketmaster.ie.
All through the clubs.
Wonder how many people will be at their first county game this year, ( or indeed many years)
But as far as the GAA is concerned F@&K those of us who travelled to Roscommon and Kerry to support our team.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 09, 2023, 03:37:30 PM
So, no tickets through ticketmaster.ie.
All through the clubs.
Wonder how many people will be at their first county game this year, ( or indeed many years)
But as far as the GAA is concerned F@&K those of us who travelled to Roscommon and Kerry to support our team.
What do you want them to do the capacity is not there and the protocol is to look after the members.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 09, 2023, 03:37:30 PM
So, no tickets through ticketmaster.ie.
All through the clubs.
Wonder how many people will be at their first county game this year, ( or indeed many years)
But as far as the GAA is concerned F@&K those of us who travelled to Roscommon and Kerry to support our team.
I keep seeing messages like this on social media. I really don't know if putting them on general sale was going to solve the problem. That was going to give access to every bandwagoner and tout and definitely lead to loads of tickets in the wrong hands.
The season ticket is great for people who go to all the games and aren't involved with clubs. I do think the system could be opened up more to reward loyalty of fans who do attend numerous games during the year (but not necessarily every game).
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 09, 2023, 03:37:30 PM
So, no tickets through ticketmaster.ie.
All through the clubs.
Wonder how many people will be at their first county game this year, ( or indeed many years)
But as far as the GAA is concerned F@&K those of us who travelled to Roscommon and Kerry to support our team.
Thankfully you'll have your season ticket in place if you've travelled to those aways. Cause the GAA just want to sit back and piss people off. Clueless.
If this website and social media are anything to go by, every attendance figure at an Armagh or Derry match this year has clearly been under-reported to the power of 10.
Those greedy swindling bastards at HQ are at it again.
There was less than 12,000 people at the Cavan V Armagh Ulster championship game this year.
At a very generous 60% been from Armagh it would appear that everyone of them has missed out on an Ulster final ticket. ;D ;D
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 09, 2023, 03:37:30 PM
So, no tickets through ticketmaster.ie.
All through the clubs.
Wonder how many people will be at their first county game this year, ( or indeed many years)
But as far as the GAA is concerned F@&K those of us who travelled to Roscommon and Kerry to support our team.
I feel for you but you had the option of a season ticket all year which would have worked up better if you go to all the games.
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
There was less than 12,000 people at the Cavan V Armagh Ulster championship game this year.
At a very generous 60% been from Armagh it would appear that everyone of them has missed out on an Ulster final ticket. ;D ;D
game was saturday evening, it was lashing soo was a decent attendance
Quote from: naka on May 09, 2023, 03:57:10 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 03:50:47 PM
There was less than 12,000 people at the Cavan V Armagh Ulster championship game this year.
At a very generous 60% been from Armagh it would appear that everyone of them has missed out on an Ulster final ticket. ;D ;D
game was saturday evening, it was lashing soo was a decent attendance
Ah well then. The tickets should be free this weekend so. Anyone catch a cold?
Always an excuse. Always entitlement.
Best supporters in Ireland*
* - except on wet Saturdays.
What's the official capacity of Clones. Wasn't it reduced to 29,000 a few years ago?
Where were all the Armagh 'fans' in the prelim round at home to Antrim?? Was probably about 5 or 6k at that game!!! Not too many away to Cavan either!! This tripe that they are the best supported team in the land is just not true. The Armagh 'supporters' love a bandwagon to jump on. A weekend on the beer in Kerry or a carryout on a bus to Clones is more appealing to them than the actual football!
Quote from: urbangael on May 09, 2023, 04:48:02 PM
Where were all the Armagh 'fans' in the prelim round at home to Antrim?? Was probably about 5 or 6k at that game!!! Not too many away to Cavan either!! This tripe that they are the best supported team in the land is just not true. The Armagh 'supporters' love a bandwagon to jump on. A weekend on the beer in Kerry or a carryout on a bus to Clones is more appealing to them than the actual football!
There were good crowds at the Athletic grounds this year. If you claim they are not the best supported, then which other county is? Only Mayo springs to mind.
Armagh not the only bandwagon supporters. There was poor enough support in Fermanagh, Omagh was about 2/3 full. I saw what real Derry support was like 4yrs ago in Division 4.A no. Of people I talked to. going to Sundays game haven't seen a Derry Jersey all year.
Quote from: urbangael on May 09, 2023, 04:48:02 PM
Where were all the Armagh 'fans' in the prelim round at home to Antrim?? Was probably about 5 or 6k at that game!!! Not too many away to Cavan either!! This tripe that they are the best supported team in the land is just not true. The Armagh 'supporters' love a bandwagon to jump on. A weekend on the beer in Kerry or a carryout on a bus to Clones is more appealing to them than the actual football!
actually a few hundred over 10k at this game and barely 200/300 antrim fans attended.
Quote from: naka on May 09, 2023, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: urbangael on May 09, 2023, 04:48:02 PM
Where were all the Armagh 'fans' in the prelim round at home to Antrim?? Was probably about 5 or 6k at that game!!! Not too many away to Cavan either!! This tripe that they are the best supported team in the land is just not true. The Armagh 'supporters' love a bandwagon to jump on. A weekend on the beer in Kerry or a carryout on a bus to Clones is more appealing to them than the actual football!
actually a few hundred over 10k at this game and barely 200/300 antrim fans attended.
The attendance at the Donegal league game was 12,582 attendance, again 10,000 Armagh people were there.
Two thirds of those attending at Clones will have been at a league game.
Quote from: urbangael on May 09, 2023, 04:48:02 PM
Where were all the Armagh 'fans' in the prelim round at home to Antrim?? Was probably about 5 or 6k at that game!!! Not too many away to Cavan either!! This tripe that they are the best supported team in the land is just not true. The Armagh 'supporters' love a bandwagon to jump on. A weekend on the beer in Kerry or a carryout on a bus to Clones is more appealing to them than the actual football!
Why were you at the antrim and cavan games? Because I was at both and the support was good from Armagh, despite the weather. All of the away league games there were more Armagh fans than the home fans. The only tripe here is what's being spoken in your post.
I have been to about 6 Armagh matches this year, with all tickets purchased online.
I live about 40 mile from my club, and was lucky enough to get tickets, which I have to pick up from a friend outside the ground. It's a bit nervy travelling without a ticket. What if my friend gets stuck or cannot go at the last minute?
At least we'll have more in attendance than that of the NI soccer pinacle last Sunday, which attracted about 9,600 or so.
Quote from: Orior on May 09, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
I have been to about 6 Armagh matches this year, with all tickets purchased online.
I live about 40 mile from my club, and was lucky enough to get tickets, which I have to pick up from a friend outside the ground. It's a bit nervy travelling without a ticket. What if my friend gets stuck or cannot go at the last minute?
Plenty of pubs in Clones lol
Quote from: Orior on May 09, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
I have been to about 6 Armagh matches this year, with all tickets purchased online.
I live about 40 mile from my club, and was lucky enough to get tickets, which I have to pick up from a friend outside the ground. It's a bit nervy travelling without a ticket. What if my friend gets stuck or cannot go at the last minute?
Fold a €50 note and ask the guy to scan it, he'll probably have to hold it do so.
Quote from: trailer on May 09, 2023, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Louther on May 09, 2023, 03:01:15 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on May 09, 2023, 02:44:07 PM
Sure isn't it great to see the demand! The boom is back.
The thing is if people really want tickets and chase them down, vast majority who want them will be in Clones on Sunday.
As I said previously though, nevermind the demand for tickets. The fact that Ulster's biggest game in years is being played in a Third World standard stadium. It's embarrassing how run down the place is. Getting in and out of the place is a disaster too!
The biggest kip I know. A f**king embarrassment to the GAA.
Before last years Junior club final the last time I had been in Clones was at the Tyrone v Cavan qualifier in July 2019. It was a sunny evening and with there being a poor enough crowd you could really see even then how dilapidated the place had become. The seats are a complete embarrassment in this day and age. The town itself is also a complete hole too.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 09, 2023, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 09, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
I have been to about 6 Armagh matches this year, with all tickets purchased online.
I live about 40 mile from my club, and was lucky enough to get tickets, which I have to pick up from a friend outside the ground. It's a bit nervy travelling without a ticket. What if my friend gets stuck or cannot go at the last minute?
Fold a €50 note and ask the guy to scan it, he'll probably have to hold it do so.
LOL
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 09, 2023, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 09, 2023, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 09, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
Ulster GAA have just confirmed that there will be no tickets released on general sale.
I see a lot of fans/supporters are not happen because the clubs will be handing them out to members, would they not be members of clubs these fans?
Clubs got 114 tickets each. Demand far exceeds that
And thats ok, tickets are sold out for concerts every week and people miss out, having it in Croke would have been best but it's an Ulster final.. Casement can't come quick enough ;)
Quote from: Orior on May 09, 2023, 06:26:46 PM
At least we'll have more in attendance than that of the NI soccer pinacle last Sunday, which attracted about 9,600 or so.
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Be interesting to see if Rory is on line for Derry this weekend.
I think he's at a wedding in Enniscrone...
A pure animal.
Heard rumours that he was doing that a few years ago from Fermanagh side of the family - Would say the reasons he got sacked by Fermanagh Co Board have some truth in them now too
Vile human being.
Just got a WhatsApp which is supposedly of a post by his former partner on Facebook.
Anyone know if its fake or real?
If its real he will be in a world of pain (and rightly so)
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 10, 2023, 09:08:17 AM
Just got a WhatsApp which is supposedly of a post by his former partner on Facebook.
Anyone know if its fake or real?
If its real he will be in a world of pain (and rightly so)
Aye it's real, on her Facebook profile
🍿
Poor woman. There was definitely talk of this sort of thing before.
Doesn't surprise me to be honest. Comes across as a total horrible bastard that man.
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 09:24:12 AM
Poor woman. There was definitely talk of this sort of thing before.
Doesn't surprise me to be honest. Comes across as a total horrible bastard that man.
Spill the beans. Whats going on
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2023, 09:37:19 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 09:24:12 AM
Poor woman. There was definitely talk of this sort of thing before.
Doesn't surprise me to be honest. Comes across as a total horrible bastard that man.
Spill the beans. Whats going on
Facebook post from his wife/ex-wife
My name is Nicola. I tried to remove my surname from this post but I couldn't. I'm writing this because I want any other young girl being abused is that silence is not the answer. I tried that. 24 years. It doesn't work. I was 18 years old when I got dragged into a carpark in clones, I was beat into an inch of my life for no reason, by a person I trusted and thought was my best friend. I had a friend there that night who jumped on his back and got him off me, I owe her my life. While I was brought to Monaghan general hospital by my friends he was back in the bar with some other poor girl. I stayed in a friends that night, I was hysterical, when I came home the next day my parents thought id been in a car accident my face was so badly bruised and I could hardly walk. I had to do my a-levels with 2 black eyes and a fractured nose. I forgave that man and I married him.
People like that don't change. At a wedding in enniscrone I was bitten on the face because I said something he didn't like, we left the venue and I was dragged up enniscrone street by the hair while constantly been hit, I tried to flag down cars I thought I was going to die, the rest of that night is a black out, I've since learned your subconscious mind saves you from that level of trauma. I was bitten on the face again on a night out where we lived, I did nothing wrong only asked him to calm down on the drink. He tried to strangle me that night too. I sat more nights waiting for him to come home when I knew exactly what he was at.
My pregnancies never changed the violence I was thumped and winded with the first. Thrown down the stairs with the second, I've been in the local surgery more times with fractured ribs. The two fingers in the ribcage is the worst pain I've felt in my entire life, id rather have every beating only that. Maybe it's what footballers do.
My cousin was the only one I confided in. She was my rock. I developed a problem with alcohol because at the time I didn't know how else to cope. Blocking it out was easier than admitting what was happening. I was glassed by that man and I had to tell lies I pretended I fell on mirror. My kids had to see me in bed with blood all over me. Silence isn't the answer, I tried that, I thought I was protecting my children, the only person I was protecting was him. Please anyone who's been through this, speak out. Silence nearly killed me.
Absolutely awful. Has there been a police investigation? Is he going to be charged?
Horrendous stuff
Position is untenable now for Gallagher. How could any player play under him? Even if it is false, which I doubt it is, it would have to be looked into from Derrys perspective and he should not have control over anyone until that is clarified
Quote from: Mario on May 10, 2023, 09:44:19 AM
Absolutely awful. Has there been a police investigation? Is he going to be charged?
Well she only posted it at 10pm last night. So very early days.
Derry Co Board will not want to have do deal with this so close to Sunday, but deal with it they must. These are very serious allegations.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 10, 2023, 09:44:19 AM
Absolutely awful. Has there been a police investigation? Is he going to be charged?
Well she only posted it at 10pm last night. So very early days.
Derry Co Board will not want to have do deal with this so close to Sunday, but deal with it they must. These are very serious allegations.
I doubt if we will be seeing him on Sunday or ever again along the line the media will go into overdrive on this now and rightly so.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 09:46:28 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 10, 2023, 09:44:19 AM
Absolutely awful. Has there been a police investigation? Is he going to be charged?
Well she only posted it at 10pm last night. So very early days.
Derry Co Board will not want to have do deal with this so close to Sunday, but deal with it they must. These are very serious allegations.
It will be interesting to see the Co.Board handling of this alright
Football is of no significance whatsoever after reading that.
If these allegations are correct he should be in the dock, never mind being removed from the Derry role.
Sounds horrible however it is an allegation at this stage and no one knows if its real. Timing seems strange this close to the final.
absolutely horrible to read that
f**k me. Christ as ye say, football means little after reading that.
Absolutely vile, his position is surely untenable.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2023, 09:51:29 AM
Sounds horrible however it is an allegation at this stage and no one knows if its real. Timing seems strange this close to the final.
Maybe it is the best time for her as it means she gets maximum exposure. The allegations are too detailed and specific. This is just what she has put in writing, it may only be(and likely is only) the tip of the iceberg. Christ only knows what she has gone through. Domestic violence is horrendous and this may be the only way she thinks she can be heard
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Jesus McFaul was in a row in a pub or something don't think its comparable.
Yeah that's what I'd seen.
The fact I haven't got a ticket for the final seems not so important now.
Those of you who have daughters will know what I think should happen if its true.
Dear god. That is a horrendous read. It's definitely from an authentic FB account - I just checked and we have mutual friends.
She has completely put herself out there.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 10, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
Yeah that's what I'd seen.
The fact I haven't got a ticket for the final seems not so important now.
Those of you who have daughters will know what I think should happen if its true.
Yeah I think we'd all be in agreement there. Not going to comment on whats true or whats not as obviously most of us here have no idea and are going off what we've heard but if that's true he deserves severely punished and then locked up and the key thrown away.
Poor woman, sincerely hope she is getting all the support she needs now and she can get through this and live her life in peace. Puts football into perspective.
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Jesus McFaul was in a row in a pub or something don't think its comparable.
Allegedly was involved in something similar before moving away if rumours were to be believed. Allegedly of course
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Allegations aside, never heard of anyone who had a good word to say about him
I'd also question the integrity of any player who has played under Gallagher and had an idea of what he was like
Quote from: illdecide on May 10, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
I know it's a serious topic but you have to be taking the piss with that one....Realistically if Gallagher does step aside which I'd imagine the likes of McKaigue, Glass and the other senior players will probably ask of him to get rid of some of the negative attention around the teams then Muldoon and Meenagh will take over control.
Quote from: bogball88 on May 10, 2023, 10:33:41 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 10:07:31 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Jesus McFaul was in a row in a pub or something don't think its comparable.
Allegedly was involved in something similar before moving away if rumours were to be believed. Allegedly of course
Apologies hadn't heard that.
Quote from: Ghost on May 10, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 10, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
I know it's a serious topic but you have to be taking the piss with that one....Realistically if Gallagher does step aside which I'd imagine the likes of McKaigue, Glass and the other senior players will probably ask of him to get rid of some of the negative attention around the teams then Muldoon and Meenagh will take over control.
You don't know much about an elite set up if you think players are gonna ask him to step aside.
Why is this only coming out now? The mob are quick to jump on it. How do we know her account hasn't been hacked? Innocent til proven guilty is it not?
That makes for horrific reading and Gallagher should be rightly finished in management after that. Casts a huge shadow over the game at the weekend now too and the scramble for tickets pales into insignificance. Derry will have some big decisions to make, will they have time to get a manager in for Sunday or who would even want to step in given the situation.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 10, 2023, 10:38:06 AM
Allegations aside, never heard of anyone who had a good word to say about him
I'd also question the integrity of any player who has played under Gallagher and had an idea of what he was like
Ah that's a bit far now. I doubt the players could have suspected that him being a bit of a wingnut could equate to him (allegedly) doing the things described in that post.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Ghost on May 10, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 10, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
I know it's a serious topic but you have to be taking the piss with that one....Realistically if Gallagher does step aside which I'd imagine the likes of McKaigue, Glass and the other senior players will probably ask of him to get rid of some of the negative attention around the teams then Muldoon and Meenagh will take over control.
You don't know much about an elite set up if you think players are gonna ask him to step aside.
Why is this only coming out now? The mob are quick to jump on it. How do we know her account hasn't been hacked? Innocent til proven guilty is it not?
Call it a mob, call it whatever you want but there is absolutely no way that Gallagher can continue in his position as manager of Derry. The reason it's only coming out now is irrelevant.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 10, 2023, 10:44:15 AM
That makes for horrific reading and Gallagher should be rightly finished in management after that. Casts a huge shadow over the game at the weekend now too and the scramble for tickets pales into insignificance. Derry will have some big decisions to make, will they have time to get a manager in for Sunday or who would even want to step in given the situation.
Surely they'll have enough of a coaching team to fill in for Saturday? Casts a huge unwanted shadow obviously but rightly so, some things are bigger than football.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Ghost on May 10, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 10, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
I know it's a serious topic but you have to be taking the piss with that one....Realistically if Gallagher does step aside which I'd imagine the likes of McKaigue, Glass and the other senior players will probably ask of him to get rid of some of the negative attention around the teams then Muldoon and Meenagh will take over control.
You don't know much about an elite set up if you think players are gonna ask him to step aside.
Why is this only coming out now? The mob are quick to jump on it. How do we know her account hasn't been hacked? Innocent til proven guilty is it not?
Shouldn't be up to the players tbh the county board will surely meet tonight and make that call.
Hold on here lads. Where's the evidence?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Hold on here lads. Where's the evidence?
I know where you're coming from, but theres no way the county board don't act on this. He'll be suspended pending an investigation you can be almost certain.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Hold on here lads. Where's the evidence?
Are you serious??
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Ghost on May 10, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 10, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
I know it's a serious topic but you have to be taking the piss with that one....Realistically if Gallagher does step aside which I'd imagine the likes of McKaigue, Glass and the other senior players will probably ask of him to get rid of some of the negative attention around the teams then Muldoon and Meenagh will take over control.
You don't know much about an elite set up if you think players are gonna ask him to step aside.
Why is this only coming out now? The mob are quick to jump on it. How do we know her account hasn't been hacked? Innocent til proven guilty is it not?
Why does it matter that it is only coming out now it looks like the poor woman has only got the strength now to deal with it.
I doubt it is hacked there are comments from people that she has confided in over the years under the post.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Hold on here lads. Where's the evidence?
I know where you're coming from, but theres no way the county board don't act on this. He'll be suspended pending an investigation you can be almost certain.
I have heard from the other side that 'she's nuts' and the children live with him. Which is strange as it is usually the women that get access! The truth will probably be somewhere in the middle and that is certainly not good either!
Walter more concerned about winning an Ulster.. tr**p
Quote from: JimStynes on May 10, 2023, 11:00:01 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Hold on here lads. Where's the evidence?
I know where you're coming from, but theres no way the county board don't act on this. He'll be suspended pending an investigation you can be almost certain.
I have heard from the other side that 'she's nuts' and the children live with him. Which is strange as it is usually the women that get access! The truth will probably be somewhere in the middle and that is certainly not good either!
Exactly. We can't have our lives dictated to by a social media post..then what!!
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 10, 2023, 11:01:47 AM
Walter more concerned about winning an Ulster.. tr**p
Cheers MR. Be a while before you are in that position
Judging from his behaviour on the sideline i well believe this to be true, He was nothing short of a kn**ker in the Hyde last year so it seems he brings that behaviour home. Dirtbag
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: Ghost on May 10, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: illdecide on May 10, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
Quote from: Hereiam on May 10, 2023, 10:01:31 AM
Worst kept secret in Derry, sad to say a lot of people knew what he was at and turned the other way.
Yeah, there have been nothing but bad things to say about that man over the years even though nothing concrete had been said there were always rumours about him and the bad hoor of man that he is. Looking back now all the stories and rumours have foundations to them, it's just not normal to do them things (if they're true). How can you beat someone like that and them carrying your child too. Jasus I just don't know.
From a Derry perspective it's just rotten timing too with Sunday's game on the horizon but them lads should throw him to the lions (cops) and get on with their job. John Brennan quit his job with Swatragh a few days ago so maybe he can come in and help out until they get someone permenant in...
I know it's a serious topic but you have to be taking the piss with that one....Realistically if Gallagher does step aside which I'd imagine the likes of McKaigue, Glass and the other senior players will probably ask of him to get rid of some of the negative attention around the teams then Muldoon and Meenagh will take over control.
You don't know much about an elite set up if you think players are gonna ask him to step aside.
Why is this only coming out now? The mob are quick to jump on it. How do we know her account hasn't been hacked? Innocent til proven guilty is it not?
Look you could well be right but my thinking was that if the allegations continue to gather wind the inevitable media circus comes then as much as I'm sure they'd want him to stay on as manager from a purely sporting perspective, Gallaghers presence may end up doing the team more harm than good.
Quote from: oliverkelly on May 10, 2023, 11:03:47 AM
Judging from his behaviour on the sideline i well believe this to be true, He was nothing short of a kn**ker in the Hyde last year so it seems he brings that behaviour home. Dirtbag
Your honour this man was rude on the sideline so he must be guilty! Hang him.
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
Lock the thread Mods!!
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I'm afraid social media doesn't afford people that anymore.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 10, 2023, 11:21:39 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I'm afraid social media doesn't afford people that anymore.
I get what you're saying Walter and I wouldn't be one to jump on anyone without clear evidence. From Derrys perspective they need to look at this and see what the story will be on Sunday. Once the genie is out of the bottle it cannot be put back. I cannot see how he can be standing on the sideline with this going on. Too many variables which will deflect from the actual game and will impact on their preparations
There is no way that he can manage an inter county team , with such allegations against him.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I would imagine there will be evidence given the extent of what she says he did. Be it medical records, pictures etc. Regardless, given it's come from the wife directly, most people would be of the view that he should step away until proven one way or the other. I'd expect him to do that, to take the decision out of anyones hands. If he doesn't Derry will ask him to walk. There's no way he'll be on the line at the wkend. And he shouldn't be.
It quite simple. These are serious allegations and until they are proven or otherwise Gallagher has to step down. He will do of his own accord I would imagine. Expect a brief statement citing personal issues in the coming days.
It happens all the time in Soccer. Greenwood being one of the most high profile cases.
If it is not true the woman in question has opened herself up to a case against her so one would have to assume she is telling the truth.
Rorys side line antics for years have been put down to passion. Anyone with half a brain can see that's not passion that is aggression. There is a massive difference.
However no one should judge him until the investigation is finished
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
You are confusing 2 things here.
There is a criminal sanction for domestic abuse. Rory Gallagher should not be subject to that criminal sanction unless and until he has been found guilty on the evidence in a court of law. So far so simple.
The second issue is more complex. You will note in many instances people are suspended pending investigation. There are various reasons for this. Not all of which will apply here but at the very least we have an extremely serious allegation against Gallagher and as far as I can tell strong indications that the allegations have not come out of nowhere and have been circulating for some time at least in Donegal, Fermanagh and Derry. So Derry County Board are going have to make some sort of statement. If they are not in a position to make a clear statement of his innocence it is very likely that they will at least have to suspend him pending that investigation.
There is also the questions of the players. I would assume every member of the squad will be asking him for an unambiguous and credible statement of his innocence on all the allegations. Without that I wouldn't play for them and you would want to believe that each player will make that decision also. In those circumstances he would surely stand back himself and let the players play.
For the fans, could you cheer him on without some confirmation that there is nothing in these allegations? Surely not
What if this has already been investigated by the police, what should happen to RG then? Is this his wife's first time addressing the issue or her last attempt at justice?
Quote from: Mario on May 10, 2023, 12:06:31 PM
What if this has already been investigated by the police, what should happen to RG then? Is this his wife's first time addressing the issue or her last attempt at justice?
Quite correct.
Valid points and I don't know the answer
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Apologies, we actually know for a fact McFaul left someone in intensive care after an unprovoked attack because he can't handle his drink. These are just allegations (unproven in a court of law) at this stage with Gallagher.
Quote from: Mario on May 10, 2023, 12:06:31 PM
What if this has already been investigated by the police, what should happen to RG then? Is this his wife's first time addressing the issue or her last attempt at justice?
reading what she wrote and her mentioning silence doesn't work, I would say she hasn't done anything until now
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I agree with you although it does look terrible for Gallagher but there is 2 sides to every story in these cases.
A FB post has been made and several allegations, he has not been arrested, charged or convicted of anything, so I wouldn't just hang draw and quarter him just yet.
Women can and do lie and not everything they say is gospel truth. If they are separated and/or going through divorce, some even stating here he has custody of children, there is several elements more to this than the online commentators know.
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I agree with you although it does look terrible for Gallagher but there is 2 sides to every story in these cases.
A FB post has been made and several allegations, he has not been arrested, charged or convicted of anything, so I wouldn't just hang draw and quarter him just yet.
Women can and do lie and not everything they say is gospel truth. If they are separated and/or going through divorce, some even stating here he has custody of children, there is several elements more to this than the online commentators know.
Read her post on FB. There are multiple eye witnesses to some of the acts supporting her. If they are happy to post publicly on fb I'd imagine they will be willing eye witnesses in any case. It does not look good for him. Either way he should be removed from the line for this wkend. I expect that to happen over the next 24 hrs.
The media will likely will not comment much on this unless there is further developments due to libel laws as these are social media allegations and they can be sued.
If I was to guess I'd say its likely Gallagher remains on the line Sunday at least, unless there is further developments. He may wish to put out his own statement or he may wait until next week.
This is not the Premier League, England or Mason Greenwood case so I'm not sure why people are bringing that up as its nothing a like.
f**k the courts, just hang him now!!!
Anyone can put up an allegation about anyone without caring what happens afterwards, but...
Reading the post its scary and far too common for this sort of stuff to happen and if proven, shouldn't be too difficult to prove given her accounts of being hospitalised multiple times, he should be given jail time and everything that comes with it.. Crazy
It is getting to the stage in the day where we should really be hearing from the Derry Co Board. The longer they leave it, the worse it looks.
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Apologies, we actually know for a fact McFaul left someone in intensive care after an unprovoked attack because he can't handle his drink. These are just allegations (unproven in a court of law) at this stage with Gallagher.
How do you know for a fact?
Can you post it.
My understanding was he was provoked/attacked by members of a rival team out there and that the lad who was left in hospital wouldn't have great character. But I will say I don't this for a fact.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 12:30:58 PM
It is getting to the stage in the day where we should really be hearing from the Derry Co Board. The longer they leave it, the worse it looks.
Surely they'll have to meet and that would be this evening at the earliest.
It's a shocking read this morning folks. I wondered at first was it a fake account or something. Absolutely horrific to even imagine what has been described.
Until properly investigated there is no way he can stand with that team.
Will be astounded if he's at the match on Sunday.
Quote from: WT4E on May 10, 2023, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 09:34:01 AM
His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Apologies, we actually know for a fact McFaul left someone in intensive care after an unprovoked attack because he can't handle his drink. These are just allegations (unproven in a court of law) at this stage with Gallagher.
How do you know for a fact?
Can you post it.
My understanding was he was provoked/attacked by members of a rival team out there and that the lad who was left in hospital wouldn't have great character. But I will say I don't this for a fact.
Google is your friend... as for your understanding, maybe you could post it?
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 12:20:01 PM
The media will likely will not comment much on this unless there is further developments due to libel laws as these are social media allegations and they can be sued.
If I was to guess I'd say its likely Gallagher remains on the line Sunday at least, unless there is further developments. He may wish to put out his own statement or he may wait until next week.
This is not the Premier League, England or Mason Greenwood case so I'm not sure why people are bringing that up as its nothing a like.
It's exactly alike ffs.
Quote from: Armamike on May 10, 2023, 12:35:58 PM
Will be astounded if he's at the match on Sunday.
Same as that. Impossible to imagine him on the line during the game, or hugging and fist pumping at FT.
Sooner Derry county board act the better really.
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I agree with you although it does look terrible for Gallagher but there is 2 sides to every story in these cases.
A FB post has been made and several allegations, he has not been arrested, charged or convicted of anything, so I wouldn't just hang draw and quarter him just yet.
Women can and do lie and not everything they say is gospel truth. If they are separated and/or going through divorce, some even stating here he has custody of children, there is several elements more to this than the online commentators know.
Usually there are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth. In this case it doesn't look good for Gallagher and if the allegations turn out to be true then the book should be thrown at him.
He should be stood down from the position of Derry manager pending the outcome of an investigation.
Quote from: clarshack on May 10, 2023, 12:49:33 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on May 10, 2023, 11:17:54 AM
Walter are you defending the behaviour? Are you suggesting the post is lies? Do you need evidence ie a conviction before you do not want to be associated with him?
All I'm saying is we're very quick to jump on here. Gallagher's sideline behaviour is certainly not great. Does that make him a wife beater? No. If found guilty he should have the book thrown at him..until he's found guilty though we have to presume he's innocent. This would apply to any supposed crime.
I agree with you although it does look terrible for Gallagher but there is 2 sides to every story in these cases.
A FB post has been made and several allegations, he has not been arrested, charged or convicted of anything, so I wouldn't just hang draw and quarter him just yet.
Women can and do lie and not everything they say is gospel truth. If they are separated and/or going through divorce, some even stating here he has custody of children, there is several elements more to this than the online commentators know.
Usually there are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth. In this case it doesn't look good for Gallagher and if the allegations turn out to be true then the book should be thrown at him.
Ideally he should be stood down from the position of Derry manager pending the outcome of an investigation.
The CB have little other option to do anything but this. They can't come out and back him as they've no way of disproving the allegations. They can't come out with any old "I've spoken to Rory and he assures me the allegations are completely false" nonsense. The allegations themselves are so serious that he can't be allowed to be associated with the team until there is some sort of resolution.
Pending who's investigation though? The county board can't do one themselves and as far as I know the police haven't been involved as of yet. Easy saying these things.
Thinking purely from the county boards perspective here.
Common knowledge in Donegal for a long time. Can remember hearing about it when he was managing Donegal. The people around Killybegs could tale you a few horrible stories. Derry have to stand him down, no other choice. Good luck to the ex wife, life hasn't been easy for her.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 01:13:49 PM
Pending who's investigation though? The county board can't do one themselves and as far as I know the police haven't been involved as of yet. Easy saying these things.
Thinking purely from the county boards perspective here.
Given the seriousness of what has been posted, it is an investigation for the police and nobody else.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 10, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 01:13:49 PM
Pending who's investigation though? The county board can't do one themselves and as far as I know the police haven't been involved as of yet. Easy saying these things.
Thinking purely from the county boards perspective here.
Given the seriousness of what has been posted, it is an investigation for the police and nobody else.
It is, however Derry can ask Rory to step away given the allegations. And they should. Although I expect to hear that Rory has stepped away of his own accord. I think he'll have more pressing concerns tbh.
Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 10, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 01:13:49 PM
Pending who's investigation though? The county board can't do one themselves and as far as I know the police haven't been involved as of yet. Easy saying these things.
Thinking purely from the county boards perspective here.
Given the seriousness of what has been posted, it is an investigation for the police and nobody else.
Does a FB post count as a complaint to the police? Or will she have to make a direct complaint to the PSNI to get them to investigate
Quote from: Orior on May 10, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
I could say with some certainty that the one thing they can't do is ignore it.
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 10, 2023, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 10, 2023, 01:19:57 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 01:13:49 PM
Pending who's investigation though? The county board can't do one themselves and as far as I know the police haven't been involved as of yet. Easy saying these things.
Thinking purely from the county boards perspective here.
Given the seriousness of what has been posted, it is an investigation for the police and nobody else.
Does a FB post count as a complaint to the police? Or will she have to make a direct complaint to the PSNI to get them to investigate
f**k I've no idea but I wouldn't think it. Do the police scan Facebook for crimes to investigate? People were asking about investigations into things but are we saying there should be private investigations and prosecutions via some kind of people's court or do we follow the law?
More likely to be the Gardai than PSNI?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 10, 2023, 01:41:30 PM
More likely to be the Gardai than PSNI?
Were they not Fermanagh based? Nearly sure they both are.
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 10, 2023, 01:41:30 PM
More likely to be the Gardai than PSNI?
Were they not Fermanagh based? Nearly sure they both are.
Reading that post at least one of the alleged incidents took place in Clones
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 10, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 10, 2023, 01:41:30 PM
More likely to be the Gardai than PSNI?
Were they not Fermanagh based? Nearly sure they both are.
So now we are arguing over which police force should investigate? f**k me!
I think it could be a psni/Garda investigation if anything. Clones and Enniscrone obviously in ROI but any incidents in NI are PSNI matters. It's messy no matter what. Have seen the other side of the story as well through a variety of messages and it's not clear cut. Either way there's a messed up situation with young children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 10, 2023, 01:51:03 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 10, 2023, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 10, 2023, 01:41:30 PM
More likely to be the Gardai than PSNI?
Were they not Fermanagh based? Nearly sure they both are.
So now we are arguing over which police force should investigate? f**k me!
93-DY-SAM meet discussion board. Discussion board meet 93-DY-SAM.
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2023, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 12:20:01 PM
The media will likely will not comment much on this unless there is further developments due to libel laws as these are social media allegations and they can be sued.
If I was to guess I'd say its likely Gallagher remains on the line Sunday at least, unless there is further developments. He may wish to put out his own statement or he may wait until next week.
This is not the Premier League, England or Mason Greenwood case so I'm not sure why people are bringing that up as its nothing a like.
It's exactly alike ffs.
It's arguably worse given the length of time this was going on for.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
I think it could be a psni/Garda investigation if anything. Clones and Enniscrone obviously in ROI but any incidents in NI are PSNI matters. It's messy no matter what. Have seen the other side of the story as well through a variety of messages and it's not clear cut. Either way there's a messed up situation with young children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
No matter what the story is, you don't lift your hand to a woman. Ever.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
I think it could be a psni/Garda investigation if anything. Clones and Enniscrone obviously in ROI but any incidents in NI are PSNI matters. It's messy no matter what. Have seen the other side of the story as well through a variety of messages and it's not clear cut. Either way there's a messed up situation with young children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
No matter what the story is, you don't lift your hand to a woman. Ever.
Agreed 100 %.
This isn't Manchester United or the English Premier League despite the obsession with those topics on here. This isn't professional sport, how could a County Board "investigate" something like this.
It would be down to the RUC/Gardai to investigate any criminal complaints. They usually take this stuff very seriously these days but if there is no complaints there isn't much they can do.
Usually with cases like this, if the allegations are been posted on Facebook etc than that either means they have no interest in making police complaints or the process has been exhausted and not got anywhere. The first thing cops will likely tell you is don't post it on social media.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
I think it could be a psni/Garda investigation if anything. Clones and Enniscrone obviously in ROI but any incidents in NI are PSNI matters. It's messy no matter what. Have seen the other side of the story as well through a variety of messages and it's not clear cut. Either way there's a messed up situation with young children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
Sounds like there is more to come on this unsurprisingly.
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 10, 2023, 10:53:07 AM
Hold on here lads. Where's the evidence?
I know where you're coming from, but theres no way the county board don't act on this. He'll be suspended pending an investigation you can be almost certain.
I have heard from the other side that 'she's nuts' and the children live with him. Which is strange as it is usually the women that get access! The truth will probably be somewhere in the middle and that is certainly not good either!
jim
agree there are two sides to every story, the allegations of violence though are very precise, which i find really troublesome and if untrue i genuinely fear for the lady for she is a troubled soul..
given that every gaa person i knwo is talking about this at the moment i would at the least expect the county board/gallagher to agree that he steps down immediately and addresses/deals with these serious allegations against him.
staying own could be difficult for all parties on sunday
It is a disturbing read and I hope Nicola recovers from it. What the Derry county board do is irrelevant at present, if these allegations are true he should be in prison never mind managing a county team.
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 02:02:19 PM
This isn't Manchester United or the English Premier League despite the obsession with those topics on here. This isn't professional sport, how could a County Board "investigate" something like this.
It would be down to the RUC/Gardai to investigate any criminal complaints. They usually take this stuff very seriously these days but if there is no complaints there isn't much they can do.
Usually with cases like this, if the allegations are been posted on Facebook etc than that either means they have no interest in making police complaints or the process has been exhausted and not got anywhere. The first thing cops will likely tell you is don't post it on social media.
First of all if there was an investigation by an external body (the police) then the County Board could state that he was suspended pending the outcome of that. This was what initially happened with Ryan Giggs and Wales.
If there was no police investigation or no immediate police investigation then the county Board could easily appoint internal people to do an internal investigation and recommend to the board next steps. There have events before that have been investigated in this manner.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
I think it could be a psni/Garda investigation if anything. Clones and Enniscrone obviously in ROI but any incidents in NI are PSNI matters. It's messy no matter what. Have seen the other side of the story as well through a variety of messages and it's not clear cut. Either way there's a messed up situation with young children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
No matter what the story is, you don't lift your hand to a woman. Ever.
Agreed 100 %.
absolutely
Quote from: full moon on May 10, 2023, 02:02:19 PM
This isn't Manchester United or the English Premier League despite the obsession with those topics on here. This isn't professional sport, how could a County Board "investigate" something like this.
It would be down to the RUC/Gardai to investigate any criminal complaints. They usually take this stuff very seriously these days but if there is no complaints there isn't much they can do.
Usually with cases like this, if the allegations are been posted on Facebook etc than that either means they have no interest in making police complaints or the process has been exhausted and not got anywhere. The first thing cops will likely tell you is don't post it on social media.
Prominent sports person
Allegations of abuse
Social media allegations
Incredibly difficult position for sporting entity
The fact it's not Manchester United is irrelevant. The fact it's not professional sport is irrelevant. Sure he's only a volunteer, what does it matter if he batters his wife about the place?!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 01:53:28 PMyoung children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
If (and yes, it's an if) 10% of those social media posts are truthful, I'd say the woman who has had seven shades of shite kicked out of her endlessly and been emotionally abused for god knows how long could reasonably be considered a "real victim".
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2023, 01:17:11 PM
Common knowledge in Donegal for a long time. Can remember hearing about it when he was managing Donegal. The people around Killybegs could tale you a few horrible stories. Derry have to stand him down, no other choice. Good luck to the ex wife, life hasn't been easy for her.
Simply gossip/slabbering or did people actually witness events?
We all know there are twisted people out there, these could be spiteful lies or they could be the truth. Stupid to simply believe what you read online.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2023, 01:17:11 PM
Common knowledge in Donegal for a long time. Can remember hearing about it when he was managing Donegal. The people around Killybegs could tale you a few horrible stories. Derry have to stand him down, no other choice. Good luck to the ex wife, life hasn't been easy for her.
Simply gossip/slabbering or did people actually witness events?
We all know there are twisted people out there, these could be spiteful lies or they could be the truth. Stupid to simply believe what you read online.
What exactly do you need before you'll actually believe a victim of domestic abuse?
Reading through the comments under the Facebook post; I've seen friends, relatives and politicians offer their support (even one or two indicate that they either witnessed or were aware of it).
It'd be some stretch to think she's fabricated it all and got a few friends to get in on it.
If that girl in Lurgan put her post up without the video footage would you have been as sceptical?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 02:01:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 02:00:55 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2023, 01:53:28 PM
I think it could be a psni/Garda investigation if anything. Clones and Enniscrone obviously in ROI but any incidents in NI are PSNI matters. It's messy no matter what. Have seen the other side of the story as well through a variety of messages and it's not clear cut. Either way there's a messed up situation with young children in the background and they're the real victims of all of this no matter what
No matter what the story is, you don't lift your hand to a woman. Ever.
Agreed 100 %.
Unless she has a penis
Milltown doing Milltown things
Quote from: general_lee on May 10, 2023, 02:47:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 02:35:27 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2023, 01:17:11 PM
Common knowledge in Donegal for a long time. Can remember hearing about it when he was managing Donegal. The people around Killybegs could tale you a few horrible stories. Derry have to stand him down, no other choice. Good luck to the ex wife, life hasn't been easy for her.
Simply gossip/slabbering or did people actually witness events?
We all know there are twisted people out there, these could be spiteful lies or they could be the truth. Stupid to simply believe what you read online.
What exactly do you need before you'll actually believe a victim of domestic abuse?
Reading through the comments under the Facebook post; I've seen friends, relatives and politicians offer their support (even one or two indicate that they either witnessed or were aware of it).
It'd be some stretch to think she's fabricated it all and got a few friends to get in on it.
If that girl in Lurgan put her post up without the video footage would you have been as sceptical?
I think he means about the alleged stuff in donegal
There is more social media WhatsApps going around, there's a lot more to this that what has been said. There's always 2 sides to these things that's why it's wise not to jump on a bandwagon without knowing the full details. It's always why these things are settled in courts of law and not internet forums and social media.
I think the Mods will end up locking this for legal issues, it's been locked on Reddit.
It doesn't need a criminal conviction, [or indeed even an allegation of criminal conduct], for the county board to take any action deemed reasonable to address behaviour which reflects negatively on the team, board, county or association.
Indeed the weight of evidence for an employer [as I assume Derry Co Board are in this instance] to take action is less than that required for a criminal conviction, i.e. on the balance of the evidence as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt.
I would imagine any employee in a public role, facing allegations such as these, could reasonably expect to face suspension from that role until the allegations are investigated by the employer, and then shown either to be false and the suspension lifted, or subsequently dismissed if they are then proven on balance to have merit.
The fact that the allegations have not been addressed directly to the county board is a complicating factor but given the widespread dissemination of the allegations there is no way they can ignore it.
As a massive Derry fan I would take losing on Sunday without RG on the line rather than winning with him present given the nature and seriousness of these allegations.
Whether they are subsequently disproven is another matter for the future.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 10, 2023, 02:57:18 PM
It doesn't need a criminal conviction, [or indeed even an allegation of criminal conduct], for the county board to take any action deemed reasonable to address behaviour which reflects negatively on the team, board, county or association.
Indeed the weight of evidence for an employer [as I assume Derry Co Board are in this instance] to take action is less than that required for a criminal conviction, i.e. on the balance of the evidence as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt.
I would imagine any employee in a public role, facing allegations such as these, could reasonably expect to face suspension from that role until the allegations are investigated by the employer, and then shown either to be false and the suspension lifted, or subsequently dismissed if they are then proven on balance to have merit.
The fact that the allegations have not been addressed directly to the county board is a complicating factor but given the widespread dissemination of the allegations there is no way they can ignore it.
As a massive Derry fan I would take losing on Sunday without RG on the line rather than winning with him present given the nature and seriousness of these allegations.
Whether they are subsequently disproven is another matter for the future.
They are not an employer but that's beside the point they will run him now anyway.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 10, 2023, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 10, 2023, 02:57:18 PM
It doesn't need a criminal conviction, [or indeed even an allegation of criminal conduct], for the county board to take any action deemed reasonable to address behaviour which reflects negatively on the team, board, county or association.
Indeed the weight of evidence for an employer [as I assume Derry Co Board are in this instance] to take action is less than that required for a criminal conviction, i.e. on the balance of the evidence as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt.
I would imagine any employee in a public role, facing allegations such as these, could reasonably expect to face suspension from that role until the allegations are investigated by the employer, and then shown either to be false and the suspension lifted, or subsequently dismissed if they are then proven on balance to have merit.
The fact that the allegations have not been addressed directly to the county board is a complicating factor but given the widespread dissemination of the allegations there is no way they can ignore it.
As a massive Derry fan I would take losing on Sunday without RG on the line rather than winning with him present given the nature and seriousness of these allegations.
Whether they are subsequently disproven is another matter for the future.
They are not an employer but that's beside the point they will run him now anyway.
Well I'm sure he's not doing the role for free so would say he's employed by Derry as SF Manager
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Quote from: Cavan19 on May 10, 2023, 02:59:42 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 10, 2023, 02:57:18 PM
It doesn't need a criminal conviction, [or indeed even an allegation of criminal conduct], for the county board to take any action deemed reasonable to address behaviour which reflects negatively on the team, board, county or association.
Indeed the weight of evidence for an employer [as I assume Derry Co Board are in this instance] to take action is less than that required for a criminal conviction, i.e. on the balance of the evidence as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt.
I would imagine any employee in a public role, facing allegations such as these, could reasonably expect to face suspension from that role until the allegations are investigated by the employer, and then shown either to be false and the suspension lifted, or subsequently dismissed if they are then proven on balance to have merit.
The fact that the allegations have not been addressed directly to the county board is a complicating factor but given the widespread dissemination of the allegations there is no way they can ignore it.
As a massive Derry fan I would take losing on Sunday without RG on the line rather than winning with him present given the nature and seriousness of these allegations.
Whether they are subsequently disproven is another matter for the future.
They are not an employer but that's beside the point they will run him now anyway.
Well I'm sure he's not doing the role for free so would say he's employed by Derry as SF Manager
He would be doing it for free yes. But getting lots of expenses....
Not that I know any detail of what's posted here, but I think I know who RG was married too. Did hear a rumour long time bck, but found it strange the children were living with him for quite awhile. If they had went to court for custody issues, would this behaviour not been brought up for reasons not to have custody. I not comment really on sthing I don't know anything about. Serious accusations but like a friend of mine who got a non mol against her on allegations which did not have to be proved in court, I wait on what the police/Garda have to say. Other than that, like the rugby trial I say nothing accusation wise on her as surely it's liable. Wheres old David McK to comment on the legal standing here.
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2023, 01:17:11 PM
Common knowledge in Donegal for a long time. Can remember hearing about it when he was managing Donegal. The people around Killybegs could tale you a few horrible stories. Derry have to stand him down, no other choice. Good luck to the ex wife, life hasn't been easy for her.
I'd heard the same, albiet from people closer to the border. Wasn't that why he left (was ran) from his hometown club?
Lads need to be careful on this.
There have been plenty of incidents of suicide from people falsely accused online without any basis. We don't know if the accusations are true so I'd be extremely wary of pointing the finger of blame.
I'd suggest no-one on a message board or social media is aware of all the facts based on what they saw posted online.
Let due process happen, whatever that process should be.
I for one would expect anyone who has committed the acts described in that post to be jailed for assault. But a social media post and subsequent comments doesn't prove that those acts were committed. Everyone would be better off not posting things which could sway any potential legal proceedings one way or another in the interests of a fair chance of justice for either her or him.
Quote from: Manning18 on May 10, 2023, 03:18:34 PM
Quote from: Rudi on May 10, 2023, 01:17:11 PM
Common knowledge in Donegal for a long time. Can remember hearing about it when he was managing Donegal. The people around Killybegs could tale you a few horrible stories. Derry have to stand him down, no other choice. Good luck to the ex wife, life hasn't been easy for her.
I'd heard the same, albiet from people closer to the border. Wasn't that why he left (was ran) from his hometown club?
Not doubting you, but if it was common knowledge why didn't Donegal CB stand him down at that time?
Lads, how many different people need to tell you that the actions of the Derry CB have nothing to do with any hypothetical future criminal proceedings.
Stop being daft and telling people they need to watch their backs from a legal perspective if they post their expectations of the Derry CB.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Lads need to be careful on this.
There have been plenty of incidents of suicide from people falsely accused online without any basis. We don't know if the accusations are true so I'd be extremely wary of pointing the finger of blame.
I'd suggest no-one on a message board or social media is aware of all the facts based on what they saw posted online.
Let due process happen, whatever that process should be.
I for one would expect anyone who has committed the acts described in that post to be jailed for assault. But a social media post and subsequent comments doesn't prove that those acts were committed. Everyone would be better off not posting things which could sway any potential legal proceedings one way or another in the interests of a fair chance of justice for either her or him.
Absolutely. Totally agree
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2023, 03:26:09 PM
Lads, how many different people need to tell you that the actions of the Derry CB have nothing to do with any hypothetical future criminal proceedings.
Stop being daft and telling people they need to watch their backs from a legal perspective if they post their expectations of the Derry CB.
This.
Irrespective this needs investigated and while it's being investigated he has to be stood down. How can he not be?
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Lads need to be careful on this.
There have been plenty of incidents of suicide from people falsely accused online without any basis. We don't know if the accusations are true so I'd be extremely wary of pointing the finger of blame.
I'd suggest no-one on a message board or social media is aware of all the facts based on what they saw posted online.
Let due process happen, whatever that process should be.
I for one would expect anyone who has committed the acts described in that post to be jailed for assault. But a social media post and subsequent comments doesn't prove that those acts were committed. Everyone would be better off not posting things which could sway any potential legal proceedings one way or another in the interests of a fair chance of justice for either her or him.
Well said.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 10, 2023, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2023, 03:26:09 PM
Lads, how many different people need to tell you that the actions of the Derry CB have nothing to do with any hypothetical future criminal proceedings.
Stop being daft and telling people they need to watch their backs from a legal perspective if they post their expectations of the Derry CB.
This.
Irrespective this needs investigated and while it's being investigated he has to be stood down. How can he not be?
It's suboptimal to have this hanging over the team when Armagh's first Ulster since whenever is in the mix. The players don't deserve it . For this reason he should go
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Quote from: Pub Bore on May 10, 2023, 11:18:41 AM
Lock the thread Mods!!
Yep, ditto to that.
We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?
There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 10, 2023, 03:40:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2023, 03:26:09 PM
Lads, how many different people need to tell you that the actions of the Derry CB have nothing to do with any hypothetical future criminal proceedings.
Stop being daft and telling people they need to watch their backs from a legal perspective if they post their expectations of the Derry CB.
This.
Irrespective this needs investigated and while it's being investigated he has to be stood down. How can he not be?
It's suboptimal to have this hanging over the team when Armagh's first Ulster since whenever is in the mix. The players don't deserve it . For this reason he should go
Thank you My AI
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
Lads need to be careful on this.
There have been plenty of incidents of suicide from people falsely accused online without any basis. We don't know if the accusations are true so I'd be extremely wary of pointing the finger of blame.
I'd suggest no-one on a message board or social media is aware of all the facts based on what they saw posted online.
Let due process happen, whatever that process should be.
I for one would expect anyone who has committed the acts described in that post to be jailed for assault. But a social media post and subsequent comments doesn't prove that those acts were committed. Everyone would be better off not posting things which could sway any potential legal proceedings one way or another in the interests of a fair chance of justice for either her or him.
I think the opening paragraph of your post should ring loud in all our ears.
I still think people (especially Derry fans) will have a view on what the County Board should do at this juncture and I don't see why that shouldn't be discussed here.
Similarly I can't see anybody would have a difficulty with people calling for an investigation.
Quote from: grounded on May 10, 2023, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 10, 2023, 12:20:23 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 10, 2023, 11:18:41 AM
Lock the thread Mods!!
Yep, ditto to that.
We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?
There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.
We're five hours behind most of you, but I wasn't expecting THIS when I clicked on the thread to see the latest.
f**king helll!☹️
Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.
The latest Whatsapp going around with another side to the story. One thing is for sure, whatever the whole truth is, it's a sad state of affairs.
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Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 10, 2023, 12:20:23 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 10, 2023, 11:18:41 AM
Lock the thread Mods!!
Yep, ditto to that.
We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?
There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.
We're five hours behind most of you, but I wasn't expecting THIS when I clicked on the thread to see the latest.
f**king helll!☹️
Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.
So if it comes to light that it's been a vindictive ex who is trying to ruin a man, his career and his life. They should be allowed to take away one of the biggest achievements in his life? I know where people are coming from but this is the very definition of trial by social media, innocent until proven guilty is what it should be and whether we think someone is guilty or not they shouldn't be hung before all the facts are brought to light not just 1 side.
I think if people want talk about this, do their own thread, and keep this one fball related,
This should be locked down talk about the game ok not online rumours,social media isn't the best place to start this,this should been done through proper channels years ago,close the thread
Quote from: lurganblue on May 10, 2023, 04:26:21 PM
The latest Whatsapp going around with another side to the story. One thing is for sure, whatever the whole truth is, it's a sad state of affairs.
Have seen that but haven't seen a name put to it. Could very well be an ex who is being vindictive - if so she is going to be in for a torrid time of it via social media.
Anyway, more interested in the game, Derry Co board will have to deal with it.
Quote from: themac_23 on May 10, 2023, 04:30:04 PM
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Quote from: grounded on May 10, 2023, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 10, 2023, 12:24:34 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 10, 2023, 12:20:23 PM
Quote from: Pub Bore on May 10, 2023, 11:18:41 AM
Lock the thread Mods!!
Yep, ditto to that.
We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?
There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.
We're five hours behind most of you, but I wasn't expecting THIS when I clicked on the thread to see the latest.
f**king helll!☹️
Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.
So if it comes to light that it's been a vindictive ex who is trying to ruin a man, his career and his life. They should be allowed to take away one of the biggest achievements in his life? I know where people are coming from but this is the very definition of trial by social media, innocent until proven guilty is what it should be and whether we think someone is guilty or not they shouldn't be hung before all the facts are brought to light not just 1 side.
Fair point. Like I said, Derry are in a tough spot.
There's a few days to go before the match - they have to do something (and I'm sure they're scrambling as we speak).
Maybe they meet with him, he gives the background and makes a convincing case and they're happy to stand by him.
I'm away from the Donegal club and local scene a long time, so I've never heard any of the rumours which suddenly appear to have been widespread, according to the internet.
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His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Apologies, we actually know for a fact McFaul left someone in intensive care after an unprovoked attack because he can't handle his drink. These are just allegations (unproven in a court of law) at this stage with Gallagher.
How do you know for a fact?
Can you post it.
My understanding was he was provoked/attacked by members of a rival team out there and that the lad who was left in hospital wouldn't have great character. But I will say I don't this for a fact.
Google is your friend... as for your understanding, maybe you could post it?
Google sounds like your talking shite and haven't got proof it's a fact.
As for me posting. I said I didn't know it was fact but it was my understanding from people close to the situation
At this stage the veracity of the allegations is irrelevant in relation to what the Derry County Board have to do, they have to stand him down simply because these allegations are out there in such a public way. There are plenty of examples of people being stood down in similar circumstances in many walks of life.
They will come under pressure from Croke Park to deal with this quickly as well.
Even from a pragmatic point of view, can you imagine how ugly the scenes could get on Sunday if he is on the line- Croke Park will simply not allow that scenario to develop and be front page headlines.
I hope that story is not true however, from a Derry County board position they will have to suspend him or in someway remove him pending investigation. If he is innocent it is a horrible place to be, suspended, but a football club will need to work on the worst case scenario - that its true. Shocking story but all too common at the moment.
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His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Apologies, we actually know for a fact McFaul left someone in intensive care after an unprovoked attack because he can't handle his drink. These are just allegations (unproven in a court of law) at this stage with Gallagher.
How do you know for a fact?
Can you post it.
My understanding was he was provoked/attacked by members of a rival team out there and that the lad who was left in hospital wouldn't have great character. But I will say I don't this for a fact.
Google is your friend... as for your understanding, maybe you could post it?
Google sounds like your talking shite and haven't got proof it's a fact.
As for me posting. I said I didn't know it was fact but it was my understanding from people close to the situation
No you flid, I said Google it because I didn't want to derail this thread any further and there's also an absolute raft of sources said that it was unprovoked, including the DA's office:
https://www.suffolkdistrictattorney.com/press-releases/items/2022/8/3/man-arraigned-in-june-assault-that-left-victim-in-icu
Quote from: Orior on May 10, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
This shite has been said a few times. There are not
always two sides to the story.
IF he beat the shite out of his wife, there is not an other side that somehow justifies it - unless you are a woman beating caveman of course.
Quote from: jmk on May 10, 2023, 04:46:52 PM
At this stage the veracity of the allegations is irrelevant in relation to what the Derry County Board have to do, they have to stand him down simply because these allegations are out there in such a public way. There are plenty of examples of people being stood down in similar circumstances in many walks of life.
They will come under pressure from Croke Park to deal with this quickly as well.
Even from a pragmatic point of view, can you imagine how ugly the scenes could get on Sunday if he is on the line- Croke Park will simply not allow that scenario to develop and be front page headlines.
What if there is no police investigation?
Should he be removed based on social media posts? I can certainly see a case to suspend if there is an ongoing police investigation, but if it's just social media then where does it stop?
Anyone can say anything about anyone online. I could go online now and make some false accusations about the Armagh manager. Should Armagh county board suspend him until that's investigated?
In the absence of official police investigations, online posts should be ignored in all walks of life in my opinion as it could all be nonsense.
That's not taking away from what I'd expect to happen to a perpetrator of such an attack or how a victim should be treated, I simply think we can't let online social media be the source of truth that gets taken seriously.
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Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
This shite has been said a few times. There are not always two sides to the story. IF he beat the shite out of his wife, there is not an other side that somehow justifies it - unless you are a woman beating caveman of course.
Hear hear!
I wanted to say the same thing. In fairness, I think (hope) people meant that there might be doubts as to the truth of the story, rather than there's anything she did that could have warranted what he allegedly did.
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Lock the thread Mods!!
Yep, ditto to that.
We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?
There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.
We're five hours behind most of you, but I wasn't expecting THIS when I clicked on the thread to see the latest.
f**king helll!☹️
Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.
So if it comes to light that it's been a vindictive ex who is trying to ruin a man, his career and his life. They should be allowed to take away one of the biggest achievements in his life? I know where people are coming from but this is the very definition of trial by social media, innocent until proven guilty is what it should be and whether we think someone is guilty or not they shouldn't be hung before all the facts are brought to light not just 1 side.
This. Is. Not. About. Any. Criminal. Matter.
Ask yourself the reverse. Say there's an investigation and the allegations are corroborated and proved, either partially or in full. Are you really suggesting the CB should be able to fall back on "ah there was no proof of it at the time so it's grand. Sorry about that lads".
The cleanest solution here is for Gallagher to stand aside voluntarily and save the CB the trouble and the hassle. He of course has every right to maintain his innocence and defend his name. If he does not, the next best option is for him to be stood down. There is zero risk to the CB doing so. Given the seriousness of the allegations and the noise around it, it is the only sensible thing to do.
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Quote from: Orior on May 10, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
This shite has been said a few times. There are not always two sides to the story. IF he beat the shite out of his wife, there is not an other side that somehow justifies it - unless you are a woman beating caveman of course.
Beat me to it. 100% agree. The cause of wife beating is wife beaters
Derry by 5.
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Quote from: Orior on May 10, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
This shite has been said a few times. There are not always two sides to the story. IF he beat the shite out of his wife, there is not an other side that somehow justifies it - unless you are a woman beating caveman of course.
Beat me to it. 100% agree. The cause of wife beating is wife beaters
Fully agree
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Quote from: Orior on May 10, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
Flip sake. I came on here to post Paddy Power odds on how many times RG will spit on his hands during the match.
Two responses here are important
1) As Walter Cronc says, why now?
2) As JimStynes says, there are always two sides so we need to be careful
It's over to the County Board to either deal with it or ignore.
This shite has been said a few times. There are not always two sides to the story. IF he beat the shite out of his wife, there is not an other side that somehow justifies it - unless you are a woman beating caveman of course.
Beat me to it. 100% agree. The cause of wife beating is wife beaters
not defending jim as i dont know him
what i assume he means is that it could be untrue
as i articulated previously its an uncomfortable assertion for everyone concerned and what troubles me is the precise accusations which detail specific events.
but lets not hang anyone yet!
we all agree wife beating is cowardly and heinous .
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 10, 2023, 05:12:57 PM
Derry by 5.
Think today will prove to be a massive distraction for both teams, more so Derry. It will be hard for the players to focus but I imagine (or at least I'd like to think) Derry county board will make some sort of communication this evening. Prior to today I'd have called it a 50/50, while I wouldn't say Armagh now have the edge, Derry definitely don't. Armagh's attacking options off the bench could be the winning of it.
From the posts on here he was tan out of his club in Fermanagh because of this and everybody in Donegal knew too when he was there. How come this is the first we've heard about it? If these thungs were such common knowledge, how come he was kept in employment by Donegal and subsequently given the Derry job?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
From the posts on here he was tan out of his club in Fermanagh because of this and everybody in Donegal knew too when he was there. How come this is the first we've heard about it? If these thungs were such common knowledge, how come he was kept in employment by Donegal and subsequently given the Derry job?
Because the wife never spoke out nrico? Maybe people have reported it and peelers visited them but dropped it like Greenwood case because "Key witness withdrew" i.E victim.. Also yourself being from Tyrone how would you hear when you're not in local scene in those counties? Plus if anyone on this board had of hinted what they heard the mods delete your post and ban you
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
From the posts on here he was tan out of his club in Fermanagh because of this and everybody in Donegal knew too when he was there. How come this is the first we've heard about it? If these thungs were such common knowledge, how come he was kept in employment by Donegal and subsequently given the Derry job?
In fairness lads are hardly just going to start a new thread or post the allegations without it being shut down or deleted by mods and/or derided by other posters for unsubstantiated claims. I'd hazard a guess the difference here is the alleged victim has posted detailing her claims so there is now "substance" to the rumours that had been about for years.
If the rumours were posted without the Facebook post from last night, everyone would be asking what's the proof etc.
Yesterday I was thinking Armagh by several points. Today, I'm still thinking Armagh by several points, just because I think they're the better team. Will find out on Sunday.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
From the posts on here he was tan out of his club in Fermanagh because of this and everybody in Donegal knew too when he was there. How come this is the first we've heard about it? If these thungs were such common knowledge, how come he was kept in employment by Donegal and subsequently given the Derry job?
Because the wife never spoke out nrico? Maybe people have reported it and peelers visited them but dropped it like Greenwood case because "Key witness withdrew" i.E victim.. Also yourself being from Tyrone how would you hear when you're not in local scene in those counties? Plus if anyone on this board had of hinted what they heard the mods delete your post and ban you
That's its Mourne Red 100 percent. It's not up to Joe public to bring a case against the alleged plaintiff, the injured party has to do that.
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Lock the thread Mods!!
Yep, ditto to that.
We'd still need a thread to talk about the match though?
There has been little or no discussion of the match this last few pages.
We're five hours behind most of you, but I wasn't expecting THIS when I clicked on the thread to see the latest.
f**king helll!☹️
Derry in a tough spot, but the only responsible thing to do is stand him down for now until this is resolved.
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If he's to be stood down then he'll be gone I'd say. This thing ain't gonna be sorted quickly. Unless either party own up (guilty/fabricated story).
The further you read into it, the more questions arise. If true, then he's a monster. If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.
One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places.
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done?
The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious, which would mean a whole other response emotionally. My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that. Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.
What's Malachy O'Rourke doing this weekend?
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What's Malachy O'Rourke doing this weekend?
Stay. Away.
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The further you read into it, the more questions arise. If true, then he's a monster. If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.
One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places.
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done?
The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious, which would mean a whole other response emotionally. My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that. Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.
I recently had chat with a girl at work who was beaten up by her boyfriend. She was able to tell me 5 or 6 other women, of the top of her head that are in abusive relationships. I was shocked. It's covered up the victim, the shame, the thought that the victim blamed themselves for provoking the aggressor. The keeping it going for the kids. That's how nothing gets done.
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What's Malachy O'Rourke doing this weekend?
Stay. Away.
Yeah he'll be getting the Tyrone job shortly so keep away.
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It doesn't need a criminal conviction, [or indeed even an allegation of criminal conduct], for the county board to take any action deemed reasonable to address behaviour which reflects negatively on the team, board, county or association.
Indeed the weight of evidence for an employer [as I assume Derry Co Board are in this instance] to take action is less than that required for a criminal conviction, i.e. on the balance of the evidence as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt.
I would imagine any employee in a public role, facing allegations such as these, could reasonably expect to face suspension from that role until the allegations are investigated by the employer, and then shown either to be false and the suspension lifted, or subsequently dismissed if they are then proven on balance to have merit.
The fact that the allegations have not been addressed directly to the county board is a complicating factor but given the widespread dissemination of the allegations there is no way they can ignore it.
As a massive Derry fan I would take losing on Sunday without RG on the line rather than winning with him present given the nature and seriousness of these allegations.
Whether they are subsequently disproven is another matter for the future.
They are not an employer but that's beside the point they will run him now anyway.
He will probably be encouraged to leave.
if its true will he be banned from a role in any club teams.
Due to the severity of the accusations and the high profile of the accused and the match this weekend I believe any decisions made in the next 24 hours will be beyond the control of the County Board. I would imagine the Croke Park PR / Media department have been assessing the situation since it broke and as such Croke Park will give clear instruction what needs to be done and no doubt it will be Croke Park that will be drafting any subsequent statement issued by the County Board. There will be a lot of eyes on this both inside and outside of the GAA and this will not be lost on Croke Park.
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 10, 2023, 04:33:22 PM
This should be locked down talk about the game ok not online rumours,social media isn't the best place to start this,this should been done through proper channels years ago,close the thread
Hilarious thing for a Derry supporter to say given the context
You can only admire the bravery of Ms Gallagher for writing what she did. It can't have been easy to confront that history and come out the other side.
Well I see a no of other what app messages in relation to what was posted, so I just wait see what put to the garda.police.None of this came up on custody matters few yrs bck?, RG can't be on the line Sunday so it be Muldoon and Meenagh. It not go away short term either, so I be approaching O'Rourke after Sunday.
He should be stood down. Giving him the option (or the time) of stepping aside isn't proactive and the GAA has to be unequivocal on violence against women. Indeed sadly Armagh GAA have supported a family on this very issue.
Then let due process take its course and if he's innocent he's innocent, and if he's guilty he's guilty and can face the consequences of the law.
would it be security risk to have him managing the game on sunday.
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Quote from: jmk on May 10, 2023, 04:46:52 PM
At this stage the veracity of the allegations is irrelevant in relation to what the Derry County Board have to do, they have to stand him down simply because these allegations are out there in such a public way. There are plenty of examples of people being stood down in similar circumstances in many walks of life.
They will come under pressure from Croke Park to deal with this quickly as well.
Even from a pragmatic point of view, can you imagine how ugly the scenes could get on Sunday if he is on the line- Croke Park will simply not allow that scenario to develop and be front page headlines.
What if there is no police investigation?
Should he be removed based on social media posts? I can certainly see a case to suspend if there is an ongoing police investigation, but if it's just social media then where does it stop?
Anyone can say anything about anyone online. I could go online now and make some false accusations about the Armagh manager. Should Armagh county board suspend him until that's investigated?
In the absence of official police investigations, online posts should be ignored in all walks of life in my opinion as it could all be nonsense.
That's not taking away from what I'd expect to happen to a perpetrator of such an attack or how a victim should be treated, I simply think we can't let online social media be the source of truth that gets taken seriously.
If there is no police investigation that will cause a difficulty and I would have thought the PSNI/Garda would be pressed to justify such a decision.
On your point that anybody could post accusations- this is not just anybody, this is his ex-wife and the accusations are very specific.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 10, 2023, 07:28:46 PM
would it be security risk to have him managing the game on sunday.
It's probably something worth considering, always risk of someone shouting something on, someone else reacting and maybe a row happening in the stand, or someone throws something or god knows whag else could happen. Either way he shouldnt be there
someone could look to play the community hero white knight type
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 07:09:16 PM
Well I see a no of other what app messages in relation to what was posted, so I just wait see what put to the garda.police.None of this came up on custody matters few yrs bck?, RG can't be on the line Sunday so it be Muldoon and Meenagh. It not go away short term either, so I be approaching O'Rourke after Sunday.
I saw screenshots of a few Whatsapp messages. Whilst disparaging her, none of them contradict what she said. If anything they support what she is saying.
In all of this, I have seen no one defend RG saying it would be out of character.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 10, 2023, 07:44:18 PM
someone could look to play the community hero white knight type
There'd bound to be at least one wannabe hero so it's definitely not a good idea for him to be in Clones on Sunday.
I would think any man who would treat you like that/but you can't leave or get away from- then turning to or becoming reliant on alcohol would be a coping mechanism or a way to try and block it out.
Plus it's a very coherent and detailed post from someone who is allegedly on a 7 day bender or drunk.
I feel for the children in this situation-not sure what ages they are but if they are at the age to use social media themselves, they will no doubt be made aware of all this.
Quote from: maggie on May 10, 2023, 08:45:22 PM
I would think any man who would treat you like that/but you can't leave or get away from- then turning to or becoming reliant on alcohol would be a coping mechanism or a way to try and block it out.
Plus it's a very coherent and detailed post from someone who is allegedly on a 7 day bender or drunk.
I feel for the children in this situation-not sure what ages they are but if they are at the age to use social media themselves, they will no doubt be made aware of all this.
There are no winners in such a situation.
I remember rumours went around about Graham Geraghty doing similar back in the 90's but turned out to be malicious lies being spread. So it might not be true at all but you'd expect Rory will have to step aside till it's proven to be one way or the other.
24hrs now since the Facebook Post, Derry county board would need to be very careful, crisis management 101 would have you get ahead of the story
You'd imagine this could be news in the morning, and if there has been no action taken by then, decisions will be made under a lot of pressure. Although I was talking to a man who was to be in owenbeg tonight but the training was cancelled...
Fair point Maggie. First time I heard their kids mentioned. No winners in any of this
Quote from: thejuice on May 10, 2023, 09:05:59 PM
I remember rumours went around about Graham Geraghty doing similar back in the 90's but turned out to be malicious lies being spread. So it might not be true at all but you'd expect Rory will have to step aside till it's proven to be one way or the other.
The more you hear the more unlikely it seems that what happened geraghty is the case here.
Derry county board will have to do something.
Over 12 hours.
No denial.
No holding statement.
No statement from a solicitor.
Nothing.
Very very strange.
Quote from: seafoid on May 10, 2023, 07:01:33 PM
You can only admire the bravery of Ms Gallagher for writing what she did. It can't have been easy to confront that history and come out the other side.
Well said, a brave women after years of abuse.
Hope Derry GAA do the right thing.
Never liked that tr**p. Poor girl.
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Story on the Irish News website now without naming RG. Can't understand Derry's silence, as someone mentioned at least try get a holding statement out.
Quote from: pbat on May 10, 2023, 09:39:44 PM
Story on the Irish News website now without naming RG. Can't understand Derry's silence, as someone mentioned at least try get a holding statement out.
In fairness, this exploded this morning. They need to act quickly but also be very careful what they do too or they could face a civil case down the road.
From Irish News
A PSNI spokeswoman said: "We do not comment on named individuals and no inference should be drawn from this."
It is understood that the Garda is aware of matters posted online and has engaged with an individual involved. No formal complaint has been received.
"An Garda Síochána does not comment on material posted online," a spokesman said.
"Any person who is the victim of, or who knows or suspects they know a victim of domestic abuse, or who may wish to report or discuss an incident of domestic or sexual abuse is encouraged to contact 112/ 999 or their local Garda station or a domestic abuse support agency."
The sporting organisation also did not respond to a request for a comment.
Quote from: Itchy on May 10, 2023, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: pbat on May 10, 2023, 09:39:44 PM
Story on the Irish News website now without naming RG. Can't understand Derry's silence, as someone mentioned at least try get a holding statement out.
In fairness, this exploded this morning. They need to act quickly but also be very careful what they do too or they could face a civil case down the road.
Would they not be ok to address the allegations that have been put into the public? It's not like employment law is an issue. Surely they can ask a volunteer to step aside at anytime especially given the circumstances. Can't see any comeback for Rory. Not that I'd think he would kick up anyway. Id still expect him to remove himself from the equation for Derry's benefit.
Chatting a boy there went to the GAA Social live podcast - Statement out tomorrow from RG, they addressed it before they went live he said obvs to avoid any questions during the live recording
Derry not looking good in all this. Slow response helps no one.
Quote from: Substandard on May 10, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
The further you read into it, the more questions arise. If true, then he's a monster. If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.
One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places.
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done?
The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious, which would mean a whole other response emotionally. My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that. Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.
That's what I was getting at too. Not hard for rumours to get about online yet this never appeared. As for mods banning etc., what's the difference in what's happened since yesterday i.e. serious unfounded allegations on this board and others.
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 10:07:39 PM
Derry not looking good in all this. Slow response helps no one.
So many implications, wonder what's going through the sponsors mind at the moment. Do they have to get involved?
Very shoddy from Derry, it's almost 24hrs.Even for amateur volunteers on the Co board.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: Substandard on May 10, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
The further you read into it, the more questions arise. If true, then he's a monster. If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.
One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places.
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done?
The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious, which would mean a whole other response emotionally. My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that. Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.
That's what I was getting at too. Not hard for rumours to get about online yet this never appeared. As for mods banning etc., what's the difference in what's happened since yesterday i.e. serious unfounded allegations on this board and others.
The allegations were put forward by the wife. Not some faceless poster behind a user name that carries no weight. It's totally different. How can you not see that?
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: Substandard on May 10, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
The further you read into it, the more questions arise. If true, then he's a monster. If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.
One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places.
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done?
The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious, which would mean a whole other response emotionally. My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that. Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.
That's what I was getting at too. Not hard for rumours to get about online yet this never appeared. As for mods banning etc., what's the difference in what's happened since yesterday i.e. serious unfounded allegations on this board and others.
Frankly two ridiculous posts.
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Quote from: Substandard on May 10, 2023, 06:07:40 PM
The further you read into it, the more questions arise. If true, then he's a monster. If it's not- and it's very hard to imagine that scenario- then they are horrible allegations.
One thing that is particularly concerning and, frankly, worrying, is part of the narrative suggests that this was all well known, and known for a long time, in different places.
If this is true, then how was it possible to hide in plain sight for so long?
How many knew it was 'common knowledge', and how could it happen over a prolonged time and nothing was ever done?
The entire scenario is bizarre, It's been stuck in my head all day, especially since reading suggestions that the allegations could possibly be spurious, which would mean a whole other response emotionally. My initial response was to take it at face value, and I still can't see far beyond that. Whatever transpires, I hope that other victims of domestic violence would be able to break the cycle and get out and get help.
That's what I was getting at too. Not hard for rumours to get about online yet this never appeared. As for mods banning etc., what's the difference in what's happened since yesterday i.e. serious unfounded allegations on this board and others.
Modern Irish society is a stomping ground for oppressors. It is entirely believable that this happens a lot as we are great ones for not rocking the boat. I see it in the GAA, schools, work. Paper over it and it will settle down. Or make it so difficult to address issues that people give up. It is not popular to be the one to call out abuse, people find it unnerving and part of them wants to blame the complainant because they can't process it. Even if in the very remote chance that this isn't true, Derry and the Gaa should have come out immediately and made a statement on their stance on domestic abuse and stand down the accused until it is cleared up.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 10:52:51 PM
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
Exactly and if anybody has serious spiteful motivation to ruin you it would be your ex wife.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 10:52:51 PM
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
There's historical cases that go back decades that only come to light when the victim is ready to talk about it. We know that only too well in this country. She may not have wanted to go public cause she was scared, ashamed, to protect the kids from it etc.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 10:52:51 PM
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
Exactly and if anybody has serious spiteful motivation to ruin you it would be your ex wife.
Surely he deserves to be ruined if guilty of lifting his hand even once to her. She's not some anonymous source, she was specific in her allegations, she says there are witnesses, up to RG and Derry GAA to respond now. Can't see how his expected statement tomorrow can be anything other than him standing aside even if to have time to clear his name.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 10, 2023, 11:07:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 10:52:51 PM
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
There's historical cases that go back decades that only come to light when the victim is ready to talk about it. We know that only too well in this country. She may not have wanted to go public cause she was scared, ashamed, to protect the kids from it etc.
If there was domestic abuse then the kids will not have been spared from it, think she mentions something in her post...
Kids aint daft and know from early on what's going on, with it hitting social media and them at school god love them as other kids are brutal!
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 10:52:51 PM
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
Exactly and if anybody has serious spiteful motivation to ruin you it would be your ex wife.
On her post there are two or 3 who backed up her version. Who claim to have been there. Now maybe it is all an elaborate tale. And at this stage, people can only make a call based on what's in front of them. But I know which I think is more likely.
Anyway, tbf that bit is for another time. There's enough there in the public now for Derry GAA to take action until it's sorted. They can't do nothing. And they won't back him, at the risk of being burned later. So I'd expect RG to make a statement tomorrow to say he's stepping away to deal with these allegations.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
Not that I know any detail of what's posted here, but I think I know who RG was married too. Did hear a rumour long time bck, but found it strange the children were living with him for quite awhile. If they had went to court for custody issues, would this behaviour not been brought up for reasons not to have custody. I not comment really on sthing I don't know anything about. Serious accusations but like a friend of mine who got a non mol against her on allegations which did not have to be proved in court, I wait on what the police/Garda have to say. Other than that, like the rugby trial I say nothing accusation wise on her as surely it's liable. Wheres old David McK to comment on the legal standing here.
Sorry I have ironically it would seem been dealing with a domestic violence case all day not involving anyone high profile.
What exactly would you like me to comment on?
Without making any specific reference to this case.
I generally wouldn't recommend comment on anything that has the potential to defame anyone if not true and that cuts both ways. I wouldn't comment on anyone when allegations of criminal conduct are being alleged or on the person making the allegations.
It's fine to say x has accused y of something. It's not fine Y is a bastard look what he done to x. Equally it's not fine to say don't believe a word x says he's mental.
In this regard the board have to be very careful in regard to libel.
In regards to what employers should do when serious allegations are made that's a difficult one. If allegations are of a criminal nature then internal investigations are all but off the table until the criminal investigation is concluded. If employers have a policy or something in contracts that has to be followed. If they don't then beat practice in their industry should be followed. The risk for the them is possible legal action for damages if they fail to act properly towards their employee. That will always have to be balanced against a range of factors including PR exposure etc if they fail to act.
All I would say is I do not envy the position of anyone involved regardless of what occurs moving forward.
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His position is untenable. If I was a Derry player (apart from McFaul maybe) I'd lose every ounce of respect I had for him.
Wise up GL you clampit!
Apologies, we actually know for a fact McFaul left someone in intensive care after an unprovoked attack because he can't handle his drink. These are just allegations (unproven in a court of law) at this stage with Gallagher.
How do you know for a fact?
Can you post it.
My understanding was he was provoked/attacked by members of a rival team out there and that the lad who was left in hospital wouldn't have great character. But I will say I don't this for a fact.
Google is your friend... as for your understanding, maybe you could post it?
Google sounds like your talking shite and haven't got proof it's a fact.
As for me posting. I said I didn't know it was fact but it was my understanding from people close to the situation
No you flid, I said Google it because I didn't want to derail this thread any further and there's also an absolute raft of sources said that it was unprovoked, including the DA's office:
https://www.suffolkdistrictattorney.com/press-releases/items/2022/8/3/man-arraigned-in-june-assault-that-left-victim-in-icu
Hands up. Very clear there just shows u I took the word of someone who told me that it was a rival team member from Ireland who tried to start a fight with him. Looks like it was random attack on the street from what you have shared. Disgraceful.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 10, 2023, 11:16:27 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 03:13:31 PM
Not that I know any detail of what's posted here, but I think I know who RG was married too. Did hear a rumour long time bck, but found it strange the children were living with him for quite awhile. If they had went to court for custody issues, would this behaviour not been brought up for reasons not to have custody. I not comment really on sthing I don't know anything about. Serious accusations but like a friend of mine who got a non mol against her on allegations which did not have to be proved in court, I wait on what the police/Garda have to say. Other than that, like the rugby trial I say nothing accusation wise on her as surely it's liable. Wheres old David McK to comment on the legal standing here.
Sorry I have ironically it would seem been dealing with a domestic violence case all day not involving anyone high profile.
What exactly would you like me to comment on?
Without making any specific reference to this case.
I generally wouldn't recommend comment on anything that has the potential to defame anyone if not true and that cuts both ways. I wouldn't comment on anyone when allegations of criminal conduct are being alleged or on the person making the allegations.
It's fine to say x has accused y of something. It's not fine Y is a bastard look what he done to x. Equally it's not fine to say don't believe a word x says he's mental.
In this regard the board have to be very careful in regard to libel.
In regards to what employers should do when serious allegations are made that's a difficult one. If allegations are of a criminal nature then internal investigations are all but off the table until the criminal investigation is concluded. If employers have a policy or something in contracts that has to be followed. If they don't then beat practice in their industry should be followed. The risk for the them is possible legal action for damages if they fail to act properly towards their employee. That will always have to be balanced against a range of factors including PR exposure etc if they fail to act.
All I would say is I do not envy the position of anyone involved regardless of what occurs moving forward.
David, finally a voice of sanity and reason. It's a shame you've been engaged all day but anyone with an ounce of wit shouldn't need a legal professional to point out the obvious.
Back to the football then David, be the best option.
Hopefully the Armagh players don't bring this up during the game
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
Releasing a song and they're in an ulster final.
There's levels to this game
Tyrone only release them around the all Ireland semi stage
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 10, 2023, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 10:52:51 PM
Well they been seperated a long time, they been in court at the time, not sure why it didn't come up at the time. Derry bollixed no matter what happens.
Exactly and if anybody has serious spiteful motivation to ruin you it would be your ex wife.
Jesus some daft stuff posted on here. Lads gone have a wee think on how likely it is that what she posted was made up?
As a Derry fan, going on Sunday with the kids, Ill be shocked and disgusted if he's on the line.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2023, 11:28:18 PM
Back to the football then David, be the best option.
I think that's a matter for each of us individually. People are entitled to discuss things that are in the public domain. We just all need to be weary of what we say around sensitive issues. Even implying things can result in difficulties. The basic test is. Am I saying something that would make others think less of an individual. If so then people need to be aware they could be liable if what they are saying is not true.
So again for a very simplistic example fair to say y has accused x of this.
Not fair to say x did this to y or sure that allegation is true because x has been at it for years.
I'm happy to as best I can answer any legal question on a general level but I'd much prefer to talk about the football.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
Yiz are deadly annoyin
As to the football. I think this is a hard one to predict. Derry to me look about a years experience in Div 1 away from being true challengers. Although do look capable of beating anyone on their day.
Armagh on the other hand I think may be slightly over their peak. They've disappointed me for (well much of my adult life really) most of the season and don't seem to be as dynamic as last year. I still have concerns overs Geezer's ability to make positive changes in games. That said they have shown flashes and may have taken a very different approach to last year where they hit the ground running and tried to play their style of football. This year they seem (I hope) to be trying to peak for May/June and have spent large parts of games working on a style of play they may need in later games.
Derry will rightly start as favourites but I think this one will be close and will come down to how well Grugan plays/ is marshalled. When he plays well Armagh play well. When he's shut down Armagh can struggle and have to Rob Peter to pay Paul to overcome it.
All in all very much looking forward to an Ulster final in Clones.
Don't know much about the allegations made here, but worked with a colleague numerous years ago who was battered, bitten and burnt by her husband, some which resulted in hospital attendances which he insisted on going with her (so that she did not disclose the real reason for injuries) but did not have the courage to leave because of the children, shame and the threats he made. She hit the drink and also had breakdown, with the result that he left her and took the children. She was not well at the time and due to her drinking was not able to fight her case, so it is not a simple as person being great father, or as someone on here said "she nuts" - perhaps the actions of her husband made her the nutter she became. He also met a new girl which didn't last long after he battered her! On a side note we were up visiting friends in South Derry a few weeks ago and RG's name came up, and when i saw thread tonight i thought something else had came out about him, that was common knowledge up around there, and is much worse than his disgusting spitting on his hands :)
Anyway, just hope that this distraction does not take away from the game on Sunday .....that we are all glued to the pitch and not what is happening on the sidelines.......Armagh by 2
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
This one? The video makes it!
https://fb.watch/krTAiV33S6/
We are on a hiding to nothing now.
Win...sure Derry were in turmoil
Loose...couldn't beat a team in turmoil.
QuoteReleasing a song and they're in an ulster final.
There's levels to this game
Tyrone only release them around the all Ireland semi stage
That's the condensed season for ya
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
I think Derry will win. They look in better form and are playing better. My only hope for Armagh is we have been playing at a higher standard for the last 3 years and that may stand to us
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
Glen making a symbolic gesture to a squad member who has been a massive part of what they've achieved over the years in both underage and senior hardly that big of a deal. Don't really see the need for cheap shots on it tbh.
Quote from: Ghost on May 11, 2023, 07:54:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
Glen making a symbolic gesture to a squad member who has been a massive part of what they've achieved over the years in both underage and senior hardly that big of a deal. Don't really see the need for cheap shots on it tbh.
Ach sure it's OK to permanently change another man's life after attacking him for no reason. He's a good lad.
Quote from: Ghost on May 11, 2023, 07:54:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
Glen making a symbolic gesture to a squad member who has been a massive part of what they've achieved over the years in both underage and senior hardly that big of a deal. Don't really see the need for cheap shots on it tbh.
Sure what else would you expect
The statement of the ex wife was very structured. There was enough detail. She mentioned a confidante. It wasn't too long.
There was no rambling or ranting. It was fact driven. The emotion was controlled. the impact was strong. Especially the 2 fingers in the ribs.
It was issued on the Wednesday rather than the Saturday, giving things time to percolate.
There is obviously more to come.
This is about the power dynamic between him and her. She had to do a lot of work to get to the point where she could write that post.
"Policies in motion tend to stay in motion ; to change the trajectory of a deeply embedded set of initiatives requires the application of political forces of equal motion " Steve Walt
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 10, 2023, 11:33:43 PM
Releasing a song and they're in an ulster final.
There's levels to this game
Tyrone only release them around the all Ireland semi stage
Sure its not too often us boys get to one.
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
Lol what a little smick you are!
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
Yiz are deadly annoyin
Ffs, we havent even been on Tyrones radar for about 10 years until the last couple,
Quote from: Ghost on May 11, 2023, 07:54:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
Glen making a symbolic gesture to a squad member who has been a massive part of what they've achieved over the years in both underage and senior hardly that big of a deal. Don't really see the need for cheap shots on it tbh.
Mmm, I'm not sure I would have wanted my Club to defend that given the background to the case in question
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 11, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
This one? The video makes it!
https://fb.watch/krTAiV33S6/
Jeez lad tell me this is a joke!!
Quote from: trailer on May 10, 2023, 10:07:39 PM
Derry not looking good in all this. Slow response helps no one.
Derry GAA really do need to get ahead of this. By sitting on their hands they look really poor.
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Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 11, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
This one? The video makes it!
https://fb.watch/krTAiV33S6/
Jeez lad tell me this is a joke!!
I'm afraid not. All the clubs had to write and an original song and we have we have been running a Eurovision style competition since we lost our heads after beating Tyrone last year. The competition concluded this week and I believe the county board were strongly influenced by the decision of the winning team to use professional actors in the video. This has caused consternation within the county as most clubs legitimately considered this to be a song writing competition.
Statement doing the rounds now.
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Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 11, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
This one? The video makes it!
https://fb.watch/krTAiV33S6/
Jeez lad tell me this is a joke!!
I think it may be a slight pisstake....?
RG has issued a statement. Got it as WhatsApp but can't copy and paste to here.
Any more tech savy posters able to do so?
Fairly strong rebuttal of her allegations.
This is the WhatsApp message doing the rounds.
"I have been made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me.
"Our marriage broke down over 4 years ago. Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time.
"Following long running court proceedings in Family Courts in both jurisdictions, I was granted a full Residence Order in respect of our 3 young children on 17th February 2023. This outcome was recommended by social services.
"Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.
"My focus over the past 4 years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family.
"I have left this matter in the hands of my legal team and ask that the privacy of our family is respected at this time. I will not be making any further public comment on this matter."
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 11, 2023, 09:52:29 AM
This is the WhatsApp message doing the rounds.
"I have been made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me.
"Our marriage broke down over 4 years ago. Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time.
"Following long running court proceedings in Family Courts in both jurisdictions, I was granted a full Residence Order in respect of our 3 young children on 17th February 2023. This outcome was recommended by social services.
"Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.
"My focus over the past 4 years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family.
"I have left this matter in the hands of my legal team and ask that the privacy of our family is respected at this time. I will not be making any further public comment on this matter."
Thanks Harold. That's the one.
Looks like he's going to tough it out.
Would not want to be a member of Derry county board today!
People asking for tickets would be the least of your problems.
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 09:45:27 AM
Statement doing the rounds now.
C'mon trailer. Give us your thoughts fella.
So he's went for the Boris Johnson course of action
It was a harrowing read, the first I heard of it as from my wife last night and it was the only topic of conversation in all her whatsapp groups and FB groups. I do not think there is anyway you can tough this out. I imagine by lunchtime it will be all over liveline etc and the end will come soon enough.
It is not the strongest of statements from RG and to be honest, allegations have been investigated does not read very well and are there any pending charges or reopening of the investigations. If the main witness has not cooperated previously they may want to revisit the case now if there is new evidence.
Is that statement anywhere official and not WhatsApp?
It's a fairly strong statement if real, and the police and courts have been involved a long time already it seems according to that.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 11, 2023, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 AM
Quote from: Antrim on May 11, 2023, 12:55:41 AM
I've been told on very good authority that there will be a statement tomorrow and Rory Gallagher will step down
Maybe the players can all come out in t shirts and support him a la Liverpool and Suarez, or they could keep him in the squad and get him sponsored, a la the Watty's and McFaul.
Lol what a little smick you are!
Good one.
The whole affair is messy. I imagine if he is on the line come Sunday the abuse will be unreal regardless.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:03:01 AM
Is that statement anywhere official and not WhatsApp?
It's a fairly strong statement if real, and the police and courts have been involved a long time already it seems according to that.
Most people were saying yesterday that he would have to stand down pending an investigation. If it's true that all of these allegations have already been extensively investigated by the appropriate authorities then I think we all just have to accept that and move on.
Quote from: GoldCoastRossie on May 11, 2023, 10:02:06 AM
It was a harrowing read, the first I heard of it as from my wife last night and it was the only topic of conversation in all her whatsapp groups and FB groups. I do not think there is anyway you can tough this out. I imagine by lunchtime it will be all over liveline etc and the end will come soon enough.
It is not the strongest of statements from RG and to be honest, allegations have been investigated does not read very well and are there any pending charges or reopening of the investigations.
I'm not sure you get how libel laws are if you think RTE would put this on liveline or touch it with a bargepole.
I doubt this will be in media any further than Irish news article yesterday as it's a minefield, that's unless Gallagher is removed/gone and even then they will be very careful what they would say unlike social media
Quote from: tintin25 on May 11, 2023, 10:07:30 AM
The whole affair is messy. I imagine if he is on the line come Sunday the abuse will be unreal regardless.
Surely he hasn't released a statement on whatsapp. Is it anywhere else more official or verified in anyway?
Quote from: tintin25 on May 11, 2023, 10:07:30 AM
The whole affair is messy. I imagine if he is on the line come Sunday the abuse will be unreal regardless.
Given the behaviour of Armagh's supporters in recent years especially in Clones they would want to start putting their own statements out telling them to behave. It's like the worst of soccer fans.
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: tintin25 on May 11, 2023, 10:07:30 AM
The whole affair is messy. I imagine if he is on the line come Sunday the abuse will be unreal regardless.
Given the behaviour of Armagh's supporters in recent years especially in Clones they would want to start putting their own statements out telling them to behave. It's like the worst of soccer fans.
Yawnnn
Same boys believing that WhatsApp statement are same boys saying the allegations came from unverified Facebook account 😂.. I'd say it'll be in Irish News with no name attached to a statement, same as her allegations in an article yesterday.
Will wait until something concrete gets released and not a chain mail on WhatsApp that you have to share within 5 mins or you get 10 years bad luck
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
Quote from: lenny on May 11, 2023, 10:08:44 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:03:01 AM
Is that statement anywhere official and not WhatsApp?
It's a fairly strong statement if real, and the police and courts have been involved a long time already it seems according to that.
Most people were saying yesterday that he would have to stand down pending an investigation. If it's true that all of these allegations have already been extensively investigated by the appropriate authorities then I think we all just have to accept that and move on.
I don't think it will help Derry, and I think he should choose to step away for Sunday at the least. He'll get dogs abuse and will be a circus if he's there. I'm not sure how the players will feel about him being there either.
A bit of time for more details to emerge. It'll be unfortunate on him if it isn't true. Dreadful in fact. But equally if there is more to come from her side, it won't be good to have kept him there. Not an easy spot for Derry, which is why I was fairly sure he would have walked himself.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
That's a f**king disgusting post. Couldn't care less about the football in comparison to something like this. If it's true he's an animal that needs punished severely and painfully. I'd be saying the same if it was a member of our coaching team or our best player. Not a chance he should be on the line on Sunday.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
Would you say he has the support of the Derry fans?
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Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:03:01 AM
Is that statement anywhere official and not WhatsApp?
It's a fairly strong statement if real, and the police and courts have been involved a long time already it seems according to that.
Most people were saying yesterday that he would have to stand down pending an investigation. If it's true that all of these allegations have already been extensively investigated by the appropriate authorities then I think we all just have to accept that and move on.
I don't think it will help Derry, and I think he should choose to step away for Sunday at the least. He'll get dogs abuse and will be a circus if he's there. I'm not sure how the players will feel about him being there either.
A bit of time for more details to emerge. It'll be unfortunate on him if it isn't true. Dreadful in fact. But equally if there is more to come from her side, it won't be good to have kept him there. Not an easy spot for Derry, which is why I was fairly sure he would have walked himself.
Don't think he is the sort of boy that will step aside, the county board really need to step in and given it is 36 hours from the post went up and we've had radio silence doesnt reflect well on them. Highly doubt given the detail in that post that it is made up but Jesus
if it was then clearly that woman isn't well and should genuinely do serious jailtime.
A terrible situation* for John Keenan, and rest of the board to have to deal with, especially at this time in the week of an Ulster final.
I'm sure no-one taking on an admin role with their club or county could envisage getting engulfed in a shitshow like this, overnight, with a massive spotlight cast upon your every action in an incredibly sensitive situation. And one where you probably have zero experience and knowledge of dealing with such issues.
When you thought setting fixtures, sorting rows and allocating tickets to your mates would be your biggest headaches in the job.
*Before anyone says it I am not conflating the situation John et al are in with the serious issue of alleged domestic violence.
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
That's harsh. This issue has placed a huge non-football related cloud over the entire final. Why would Armagh folk want that or derive any satisfaction from any adverse effects on the Derry team?
Most people want to win fair and square.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 11, 2023, 10:26:22 AM
A terrible situation* for John Keenan, and rest of the board to have to deal with, especially at this time in the week of an Ulster final.
Completely agree. They're in a terrible position that they are most likely woefully underequipped to deal with, particularly in the modern world,
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
If that statement is even genuine. Has anyone seen it anywhere more official than a whatsapp message forwarded many times?
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 11, 2023, 10:26:22 AM
A terrible situation* for John Keenan, and rest of the board to have to deal with, especially at this time in the week of an Ulster final.
I'm sure no-one taking on an admin role with their club or county could envisage getting engulfed in a shitshow like this, overnight, with a massive spotlight cast upon your every action in an incredibly sensitive situation. And one where you probably have zero experience and knowledge of dealing with such issues.
When you thought setting fixtures, sorting rows and allocating tickets to your mates would be your biggest headaches in the job.
*Before anyone says it I am not conflating the situation John et al are in with the serious issue of alleged serious domestic violence.
I completely buy the idea that Derry would like to get ahead of the story and act quickly but I guess they currently getting professional advice before doing anything. I don't underestimate the difficulty of the position they are in.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 11, 2023, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 09:45:27 AM
Statement doing the rounds now.
C'mon trailer. Give us your thoughts fella.
Ask and you shall receive my child;
If this is a statement from the man himself then he's not for going anywhere. Sort of back me or sack me scenario. But what does this say to women and Derry women? We're in the world of #believeher and #metoo .
Derry are saying nothing because they don't know what to say.
If this statement is legit then asking for privacy is ridiculous. We're heading into the biggest game in the Ulster GAA calendar and nobody is talking about the match. This has cast a long dark cloud over the occasion. Even for Armagh it is a sad case of events.
My hunch is Derry and the GAA are clambering around seeing what to do. Taking advice from everyone from PR firms to Solicitors. The next 12 hrs are crucial. I would imagine Domestic Abuse groups will be watching very carefully how this is handled. This board operates in a sort of male vacuum. We get very few female opinions but rest assured they women will be watching carefully and they won't be impressed.
This is the ultimate shit sandwich and Gallagher isn't going to make the GAA's or Derry's job easy by going quietly.
Quote from: J70 on May 11, 2023, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
That's harsh. This issue has placed a huge non-football related cloud over the entire final. Why would Armagh folk want that or derive any satisfaction from any adverse effects on the Derry team?
Most people want to win fair and square.
100%. If we're going to beat Derry I'd rather he's on the line so there's no ifs or buts.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
If that statement is even genuine. Has anyone seen it anywhere more official than a whatsapp message forwarded many times?
That's why I was careful to say "if" in my original post. There simply HAS to be something official soon though. They can't afford to let it go much/any longer and certainly can't try and get to Sunday without addressing it
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
Apologies. You are correct. I was told it was a denial. Just read the transcript here and if that is the full statement then it isn't a denial. I got that one wrong.
Quote from: Armamike on May 11, 2023, 10:33:50 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 11, 2023, 10:28:14 AM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
That's harsh. This issue has placed a huge non-football related cloud over the entire final. Why would Armagh folk want that or derive any satisfaction from any adverse effects on the Derry team?
Most people want to win fair and square.
100%. If we're going to beat Derry I'd rather he's on the line so there's no ifs or buts.
Obviously would prefer that but given the circumstances he can't be. Even for the simple fact theres a fair chance someone will make a go for him. Not fair on the stewards
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
If they were dealt with by the authorities and then he was awarded custody to the children you could probably read something into it. But either way it's a mess of a situation and mad the way people are so quick to make their minds up on something they have a read a post on facebook on.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
Plenty of Armagh folk demanding Gallagher is removed etc. No ulterior motives there I'm sure!
But typical Armagh they know this is a very big chance for them now on Sunday.
Pretty despicable statement
Assume you aren't a father of a daughter
Most Armagh guys want him on the line !
He isn't playing ffs
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 11, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
If they were dealt with by the authorities and then he was awarded custody to the children you could probably read something into it. But either way it's a mess of a situation and mad the way people are so quick to make their minds up on something they have a read a post on facebook on.
On the other hand, there have been plenty of cases of beaten wives being intimidated by their abusers and ending up with serious mental health issues, including addiction, resulting in the husband being awarded custody by the authorities.
I'm certainly not going to open up on here in a personal capacity but i will tell ya this unless you've been through it with a person you love I will confidently say you haven't even an idea of what domestic abuse involves .
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 10:46:32 AM
I'm certainly not going to open up on here in a personal capacity but i will tell ya this unless you've been through it with a person you love I will confidently say you haven't even an idea of what domestic abuse involves .
Exactly.
Statement confimed as genuine.
Where?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
He doesnt actually rebut it does he though?
The silence from Derry Gaa is embarrassing
Fact is, no-one on this message board or in the media know what really happened or what didnt happen.
The woman has made allegations.
The man has said they were investigated and he got custody of the children
Both statements may be right, one or both might be lies or partial truths.
We cannot condemn either one of them on a message board. Derry County Board and the GAA are probably in the same position.
On the one hand, no-one in their right mind will support anyone guilty of domestic abuse.
On the other hand, no-one will want to take action against someone who has already been investigated for an allegation and there have been incidents before where people have been incorrectly accused. I'm not saying that's the case here, but we simply don't know.
We'd be much better moving on and allowing the personal family and seemingly legal issues to run their course. I feel this is the best course of action for Derry County Board too even though it will cause difficulties I'm sure.
If hard legal facts became known around him having carried out these acts, then absolutely it would be an easy call to get rid of him and I think everyone would support that. For now, it's not that clear cut imo.
Anything else is trial by social media, which is just plain wrong.
Quote from: oliverkelly on May 11, 2023, 11:00:31 AM
The silence from Derry Gaa is embarrassing
Is it though? Only 24hrs have passed and it can take time consulting stakeholders, solicitors, Croke Park etc. As long as they do the right thing I think it's acceptable if they do it before Sunday.
What a nightmare, this is the biggest game of 2023 so far and the narrative / coverage is about this clown. A total muppet innocent or not. I actually might have to cheer Armagh on extremely quietly and that is just a painful exercise.
honestly don't know who to believe at this stage.
Still waiting to see where this "genuine" statement from Rory Gallagher has come from, where is it?
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/)
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/)
No denial that he abused her which would be the first thing any innocent man would write.
Derry GAA were contacted for comment regarding the allegations and asked if they had spoken to Mr. Gallagher and if he would be involved.
In a short statement a spokesperson for Derry GAA said: ""Derry GAA condemns all forms of domestic violence. We encourage anyone who has experienced domestic violence to report it to the relevant authorities immediately."
Them fences Derry Co Board are sitting on for meetings must be comfortable
I think you can see where this is going. Derry GAA are going to come out of this looking very bad indeed.
Well he has said, which I stated previous, that this had come up in the various court case between both parties. Don't know either, not from round that part of the country to know what everybody else knew.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 11:27:04 AM
I think you can see where this is going. Derry GAA are going to come out of this looking very bad indeed.
Burying their heads by the looks of it. You'd think by now they'd have been able to get legal advice/speak to croke park. Would imagine/hope it will change by Sunday
This is only going to get worse after these statements this morning
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/)
Who are his solicitors, and where has their statement been released? Is it just to the media outlet above?
How do statements through solicitors usually work in these cases?
Similarly I haven't seen anything directly from Derry GAA, just what was cited above.
Quote from: smort on May 11, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
This is only going to get worse after these statements this morning
I agree.
It looks like these allegations have been dealt with by the authorities, people will form an opinion agree or disagree with Doire and Gallagher s statement,it's time to talk about the game on Sunday now.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 11:27:04 AM
I think you can see where this is going. Derry GAA are going to come out of this looking very bad indeed.
Burying their heads by the looks of it. You'd think by now they'd have been able to get legal advice/speak to croke park. Would imagine/hope it will change by Sunday
Perhaps the legal advice is to say nothing as it's an issue outside of Derry football? I don't know....what can they say?
I don't think they can condemn RG outright if he says it has been investigated and there's nothing to see here.
If they suspend him, it's as good as saying we think your are guilty even if investigations have come and gone.
If they make a statement and say they support him, it could backfire.
So perhaps the safe play from Derry County Board is say nothing and let it play out.
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
It looks like these allegations have been dealt with by the authorities, people will form an opinion agree or disagree with Doire and Gallagher s statement,it's time to talk about the game on Sunday now.
100%.
It's important to remember that these are allegations only. It's a sensitive situation, and it will be interesting to see if the Facebook post stays up
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 11, 2023, 11:46:57 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 11:27:04 AM
I think you can see where this is going. Derry GAA are going to come out of this looking very bad indeed.
Burying their heads by the looks of it. You'd think by now they'd have been able to get legal advice/speak to croke park. Would imagine/hope it will change by Sunday
Perhaps the legal advice is to say nothing as it's an issue outside of Derry football? I don't know....what can they say?
I don't think they can condemn RG outright if he says it has been investigated and there's nothing to see here.
If they suspend him, it's as good as saying we think your are guilty even if investigations have come and gone.
If they make a statement and say they support him, it could backfire.
So perhaps the safe play from Derry County Board is say nothing and let it play out.
Maybe. Smart move for all parties would be for him to step aside for now citing personal issues. Sunday will get ugly now if nothing changes.
Jesus i hope Armagh get stuck into these on Sunday. 31 counties behind Armagh on Sunday, and each game therafter
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 11:27:18 AM
Well he has said, which I stated previous, that this had come up in the various court case between both parties. Don't know either, not from round that part of the country to know what everybody else knew.
He says "allegations again me" in his statement. He doesn't say it was "these allegations" which I thought was weird. He also doesn't refute the claims which I again find weird. I would have expected a "categorically deny" wording. But maybe that's me looking too much into it.
And to be fair to Rory, now that his wife has went public with these allegations she has to follow through with a case. You can't throw that out there and not be prepared to back it up.
Quote from: God14 on May 11, 2023, 11:50:58 AM
Jesus i hope Armagh get stuck into these on Sunday. 31 counties behind Armagh on Sunday, and each game therafter
But Armagh are not playing Tyrone!
Unfortunately I have a close friend in a scenario ( it's the truth but I go with scenario) Where they split up, he got a Non-Mol it's rare for one against a girl) to put here out of the house, (I lifted her with the kids bawling their eyes out, as police escorted her from the house) The Non-Mol was so full of lies ( ie: She violent, heavy drinker etc, and other shit that was total crap) just cause some **** wanted to kept the house. Now with Covid, she didn't get her day in court to contest these allegations. It was dropped when she had sign she didn't want bck on the house. This nice guy (plenty money) paid the bare £7 a week for each of his 3 kids, as he tried his best to put her under, legally though the courts with allegations the p***k didn't have to prove. Now he's well know in south Derry and my friend wants to put sthing up like this lady (He wasn't violent, more mental and financial abuse, ended up in a women's shelter). But everybody has his bck as they don't know what happened behind the scenes. She been wanting to put sthing up for months on what happened but I told her, like anything without actual proof she be legally destroyed and he walk away laughing. I have smoked him lights out long time bck but again he use the courts and I lose my job. And their children never see me the same way if I hammered their father.
Quote from: God14 on May 11, 2023, 11:50:58 AM
Jesus i hope Armagh get stuck into these on Sunday. 31 counties behind Armagh on Sunday, and each game therafter
Wise up. Said it weeks ago I can't stand Gallagher but have a lot of admiration for the Derry players, some serious ballers and any I've seen speaking come across as decent lads. None of this is their fault so hoping for a good hard and fair game and may the best team win on the day.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 11, 2023, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: God14 on May 11, 2023, 11:50:58 AM
Jesus i hope Armagh get stuck into these on Sunday. 31 counties behind Armagh on Sunday, and each game therafter
But Armagh are not playing Tyrone!
Lol
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
McKaigue to take whichever of Rian or Murnin go inside although both like to come out the field so maybe Rodgers will be put on one? McCambridge marked Walsh and Clifford in the league and did rightly so can see him being given the McGuigan job if he starts, Forker been our go to man marker so he's another option, he'd also put McGuigan on the back foot as he can get forward for a score. Will be a seriously interesting game.
Derry beat Armagh regardless, unless Armagh well improved since their league meeting with Tyrone, where Tyrone beat them at their easy. If your basing Armagh to do sthing, based on Antrim who weren't going great, Down who couldn't get out of Division 3 and a flaky enough Cavan team, it's more wishful thinking. Will the current carry on affect the Derry team, bound to, as its affected all the supporters. To me this game and Ulster title the only real trophy up for grabs this year as no Ulster team be near Sam Maguire.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 11, 2023, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
It looks like these allegations have been dealt with by the authorities, people will form an opinion agree or disagree with Doire and Gallagher s statement,it's time to talk about the game on Sunday now.
100%.
Complete balls.
This will continue or be made to continue. There could be a million and one different meanings behind "investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities". For example, it would not be uncommon in cases of DV for a complaint to be made but for the alleged victim to be too terrified or completely unwilling to give a statment to police, at which point the investigation simply closes. This will run and run and run.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 11:49:45 AM
It's important to remember that these are allegations only. It's a sensitive situation, and it will be interesting to see if the Facebook post stays up
I'm sure Rory will take a case against his wife for defamation. For defamation to be proven he needs 1) The allegations about him to be false 2) To prove his wife put them into the public domain and 3) Proof that this has done him reputational damage
Seems like he has a nailed on case there.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 11:49:45 AM
It's important to remember that these are allegations only. It's a sensitive situation, and it will be interesting to see if the Facebook post stays up
I'm sure Rory will take a case against his wife for defamation. For defamation to be proven he needs 1) The allegations about him to be false 2) To prove his wife put them into the public domain and 3) Proof that this has done him reputational damage
Seems like he has a nailed on case there.
Doubt he has much chance of proving 1)
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 11, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
If they were dealt with by the authorities and then he was awarded custody to the children you could probably read something into it. But either way it's a mess of a situation and mad the way people are so quick to make their minds up on something they have a read a post on facebook on.
100%
Some of the posts I've read on here are truly ridiculous.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
McKaigue to take whichever of Rian or Murnin go inside although both like to come out the field so maybe Rodgers will be put on one? McCambridge marked Walsh and Clifford in the league and did rightly so can see him being given the McGuigan job if he starts, Forker been our go to man marker so he's another option, he'd also put McGuigan on the back foot as he can get forward for a score. Will be a seriously interesting game.
That's what makes it interesting for me. McGrogan or young McEvoy might in theory be better suited to Rian or Murnin as the tend to come out the field, but McKaigue is undoubtedly our go to man marker. Then you've Clucky too who (despite being brilliant) is a bit shorter than the other defenders and Armagh have quite a bit of height in there. Usually it's easier to predict who'll pick up who. I think Armagh forwards will ask different questions of the Derry defense and part of the reason I see this as close to a 50/50 game.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 12:24:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
McKaigue to take whichever of Rian or Murnin go inside although both like to come out the field so maybe Rodgers will be put on one? McCambridge marked Walsh and Clifford in the league and did rightly so can see him being given the McGuigan job if he starts, Forker been our go to man marker so he's another option, he'd also put McGuigan on the back foot as he can get forward for a score. Will be a seriously interesting game.
That's what makes it interesting for me. McGrogan or young McEvoy might in theory be better suited to Rian or Murnin as the tend to come out the field, but McKaigue is undoubtedly our go to man marker. Then you've Clucky too who (despite being brilliant) is a bit shorter than the other defenders and Armagh have quite a bit of height in there. Usually it's easier to predict who'll pick up who. I think Armagh forwards will ask different questions of the Derry defense and part of the reason I see this as close to a 50/50 game.
Grugan pulls a lot of strings for us as well and needs watching although he maybe doesnt get the attention from people that the likes of Rian would. Thing that has improved with Derry big time is their ability to get scores from players from your keeper and corner backs to your forwards and are definitely not reliant on McGuigan anymore.
People talking about this now to me that have absolutely no interest in the match on Sunday or any weekend, wanting to know what the gaa will do. It needs nipped in the bud before Sunday, no way Gallagher can be on the sideline. What message will that send out if he is.
Would the first thing you'd write in your statement if you were not guilty of anything the ex wife accused him of be "I never raised my hand to her " surely ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 12:24:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
McKaigue to take whichever of Rian or Murnin go inside although both like to come out the field so maybe Rodgers will be put on one? McCambridge marked Walsh and Clifford in the league and did rightly so can see him being given the McGuigan job if he starts, Forker been our go to man marker so he's another option, he'd also put McGuigan on the back foot as he can get forward for a score. Will be a seriously interesting game.
That's what makes it interesting for me. McGrogan or young McEvoy might in theory be better suited to Rian or Murnin as the tend to come out the field, but McKaigue is undoubtedly our go to man marker. Then you've Clucky too who (despite being brilliant) is a bit shorter than the other defenders and Armagh have quite a bit of height in there. Usually it's easier to predict who'll pick up who. I think Armagh forwards will ask different questions of the Derry defense and part of the reason I see this as close to a 50/50 game.
Grugan pulls a lot of strings for us as well and needs watching although he maybe doesnt get the attention from people that the likes of Rian would. Thing that has improved with Derry big time is their ability to get scores from players from your keeper and corner backs to your forwards and are definitely not reliant on McGuigan anymore.
McCambridge was great in the league and then found himself not involved come championship. I cant see him being thrown into an Ulster Final to mark McGuigan. I suspect that will be Forker's job.
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 11:49:45 AM
It's important to remember that these are allegations only. It's a sensitive situation, and it will be interesting to see if the Facebook post stays up
I'm sure Rory will take a case against his wife for defamation. For defamation to be proven he needs 1) The allegations about him to be false 2) To prove his wife put them into the public domain and 3) Proof that this has done him reputational damage
Seems like he has a nailed on case there.
An injunction would be just as powerful, maybe even more so, at this point. He could use this forum as evidence
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 12:36:39 PM
Would the first thing you'd write in your statement if you were not guilty of anything the ex wife accused him of be "I never raised my hand to her " surely ?
You'd think so
Quote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2023, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 12:24:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
McKaigue to take whichever of Rian or Murnin go inside although both like to come out the field so maybe Rodgers will be put on one? McCambridge marked Walsh and Clifford in the league and did rightly so can see him being given the McGuigan job if he starts, Forker been our go to man marker so he's another option, he'd also put McGuigan on the back foot as he can get forward for a score. Will be a seriously interesting game.
That's what makes it interesting for me. McGrogan or young McEvoy might in theory be better suited to Rian or Murnin as the tend to come out the field, but McKaigue is undoubtedly our go to man marker. Then you've Clucky too who (despite being brilliant) is a bit shorter than the other defenders and Armagh have quite a bit of height in there. Usually it's easier to predict who'll pick up who. I think Armagh forwards will ask different questions of the Derry defense and part of the reason I see this as close to a 50/50 game.
Grugan pulls a lot of strings for us as well and needs watching although he maybe doesnt get the attention from people that the likes of Rian would. Thing that has improved with Derry big time is their ability to get scores from players from your keeper and corner backs to your forwards and are definitely not reliant on McGuigan anymore.
McCambridge was great in the league and then found himself not involved come championship. I cant see him being thrown into an Ulster Final to mark McGuigan. I suspect that will be Forker's job.
played against Antrim and think he picked up an injury, hence his non involvement since
Quote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2023, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 12:27:58 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 12:24:38 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 11:56:49 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Once the ball is thrown in the players will be focused on the game. If Armagh beat us it'll be fair and square. I see the bookies have us favorites but I see it as a 50/50 game. Be interesting to see who McKaigue picks up, and likewise who marks McGuigan.
McKaigue to take whichever of Rian or Murnin go inside although both like to come out the field so maybe Rodgers will be put on one? McCambridge marked Walsh and Clifford in the league and did rightly so can see him being given the McGuigan job if he starts, Forker been our go to man marker so he's another option, he'd also put McGuigan on the back foot as he can get forward for a score. Will be a seriously interesting game.
That's what makes it interesting for me. McGrogan or young McEvoy might in theory be better suited to Rian or Murnin as the tend to come out the field, but McKaigue is undoubtedly our go to man marker. Then you've Clucky too who (despite being brilliant) is a bit shorter than the other defenders and Armagh have quite a bit of height in there. Usually it's easier to predict who'll pick up who. I think Armagh forwards will ask different questions of the Derry defense and part of the reason I see this as close to a 50/50 game.
Grugan pulls a lot of strings for us as well and needs watching although he maybe doesnt get the attention from people that the likes of Rian would. Thing that has improved with Derry big time is their ability to get scores from players from your keeper and corner backs to your forwards and are definitely not reliant on McGuigan anymore.
McCambridge was great in the league and then found himself not involved come championship. I cant see him being thrown into an Ulster Final to mark McGuigan. I suspect that will be Forker's job.
He picked up a knock and then was ill I think. Would be my choice to nullify any dangerman to be honest.
I'd be surprised if he started. Not a slight on the lad as he is of course very capable. Just because of how the last few weeks have went.
Just had a nosey back there. Last years all ireland thread had 27 pages, the armagh galway one had 70 something. We're at 40 here already.
People love a bit of drama and gossip
Quote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2023, 12:43:20 PM
I'd be surprised if he started. Not a slight on the lad as he is of course very capable. Just because of how the last few weeks have went.
Yeah true. Honestly don't know who you could justify dropping at the minute. Morgan is back as well who is usually a starter when fit.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on May 11, 2023, 10:42:02 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 10:12:56 AM
If there was one in grain of truth of any single allegation I would have thought that would have been enough for him to step aside temporarily. The complete rebuttal and the reference to this having already been investigated certainly makes the County Boards position as difficult as it could be.
Nightmare scenario
What complete rebuttal?! If that statement is genuine, it looks to me that he has been very careful not to explicitly deny anything.
It's a complete rebuttal in the sense that it's an outright denial.
I didn't say it was a satisfactory rebuttal.
Just making the point that he has knocked this back to the county board and not exactly made it easy for them.
It's not an outright denial though? Although I'm sure it will follow.
He says allegations were made against him and dealt with by the relevant authorities. That could mean anything ffs.
If they were dealt with by the authorities and then he was awarded custody to the children you could probably read something into it. But either way it's a mess of a situation and mad the way people are so quick to make their minds up on something they have a read a post on facebook on.
It's not some anonymous post though, it's his ex-wife making very serious allegations. It's more than a simple facebook post. And what's more she has no regrets. She hasn't removed it even though I would suspect she has come under pressure to do so.
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 12:36:39 PM
Would the first thing you'd write in your statement if you were not guilty of anything the ex wife accused him of be "I never raised my hand to her " surely ?
I would be shouting it from the rooftops.
Kickout strategy on both teams will be key for this game.
If Derry can get their short kickouts working, it will be very difficult for Armagh I think.
If we have to go long, we still have ball winners but it's probably not as reliable for us.
I'd imagine Armagh will push up on the Derry kickouts. I think Derry will probably get back into shape for the Armagh kickouts, so quick kicks from them might be the best option.
Now that there has been a statement from Gallagher to a newspaper I assume the wider media will now pick this up?
It's very difficult to see a pathway that allows him to take to the sideline on Sunday.
It would be impossible for the County Board to allow him to do without having obtained from him a categoric and convincing statement that he has never hit his former partner. We do know that his voluntary statement didn't include that clarity.
I have a soft spot for Derry as half my family is from there but if I was a Derry supporter I'd be bitterly disappointed if the county board failed to take action.
Even as a GAA fan and member in general, the reaction has not been satisfactory thus far. It's all well and good the GAA promoting good living, mental wellbeing, anti-bullying and whatever else is in vogue that it likes to row in behind at community level. Now's the time to see action.
I am exactly the same general lee. I would favour them over any other county bar my own but they need to deal with this - it is not a good look. Also the only chance they have of being able to focus on a football match is to do something here.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 11, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Kickout strategy on both teams will be key for this game.
If Derry can get their short kickouts working, it will be very difficult for Armagh I think.
If we have to go long, we still have ball winners but it's probably not as reliable for us.
I'd imagine Armagh will push up on the Derry kickouts. I think Derry will probably get back into shape for the Armagh kickouts, so quick kicks from them might be the best option.
I admire your commitment to trying to get this thread back to football.
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 01:14:22 PM
Now that there has been a statement from Gallagher to a newspaper I assume the wider media will now pick this up?
It's very difficult to see a pathway that allows him to take to the sideline on Sunday.
It would be impossible for the County Board to allow him to do without having obtained from him a categoric and convincing statement that he has never hit his former partner. We do know that his voluntary statement didn't include that clarity.
The big question is if this was in the world of work, could an employer sack or suspend him? I don't think they could if the allegations have all been extensively investigated and no charges brought. If that is the case then I think we all have to move on.
It isn't though as it's not the world of work - though I have no idea how a GAA manager's contract would work.
The other thing is now it has come out then the dogs on the street etc.
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
"someone on facebook" It's his ex wife!!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
nonsense. His ex wife isn't just someone on Facebook
On belfast live there
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
You are right, they wouldn't - unless you were say, previously married to david clifford and clifford subsequently released an unconvincing statement! Then they might!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
Congrats on winning the most stupid post of the month contest
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
Another frankly ridiculous post.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 11, 2023, 12:13:26 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2023, 11:30:48 PM
On a lighter note, has anyone heard the new Armagh song?
This one? The video makes it!
https://fb.watch/krTAiV33S6/
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Do people just want to move on now and talk about football? Hope it all goes away.........the statement doesn't deny any of the accusations. By just moving on and toughing it out we are all going to be silently complicit. Is that the outcome we want?
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Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
"someone on facebook" It's his ex wife!!
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 11, 2023, 01:13:13 PM
Kickout strategy on both teams will be key for this game.
If Derry can get their short kickouts working, it will be very difficult for Armagh I think.
If we have to go long, we still have ball winners but it's probably not as reliable for us.
I'd imagine Armagh will push up on the Derry kickouts. I think Derry will probably get back into shape for the Armagh kickouts, so quick kicks from them might be the best option.
I doubt Armagh will push up on the kickouts much. I think Armagh are likely on a lose lose with Derry kickouts as Derry would win the majority of their own long ones too. If Armagh push up, and Derry win the long one, then Armagh arent as well defensively set.
I agree with you though in that kickout strategy will be massive for both teams. Armagh have a tendency to go long periods without winning their own kickouts. This cant be allowed to happen v Derry.
Quote from: The Trap on May 11, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Do people just want to move on now and talk about football? Hope it all goes away.........the statement doesn't deny any of the accusations. By just moving on and toughing it out we are all going to be silently complicit. Is that the outcome we want?
Just ones from Derry want to brush it under the carpet and talk football
I know a lot of fellas who have ex-wives that would still say anything to try and ruin their ex-husbands and vice-versa, don't know what planet alot of posters live on to be honest. If she can prove her accusations then he should be punished accordingly, but at the minute it's nothing more than unfounded accusations that would require him to step away until fully investigated by the police.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 11, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: The Trap on May 11, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Do people just want to move on now and talk about football? Hope it all goes away.........the statement doesn't deny any of the accusations. By just moving on and toughing it out we are all going to be silently complicit. Is that the outcome we want?
Just ones from Derry want to brush it under the carpet and talk football
I'd rather talk about the football tbh but something needs done about the Gallagher situation. Not much any of us can do though!
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2023, 01:48:52 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
"someone on facebook" It's his ex wife!!
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
It doesn't no. But it carries much, much , much more weight than a random on Facebook. Plus, as mentioned, there are people on the Facebook page who seem to collaborate what she claims. Again, could still be untrue. And I think the onus is on her now to back up these claims now that she has decided to go public.
Either way it's sh!tty for Derry but there has to be some action. It doesn't look like RG is going to make it easy for them. Which is poor form imo.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
This line stands out for some reason.
Close friend is currently raising money for a charity close to their families hearts.
They are considering raffling or auctioning 2 x tickets for the game. Nothing confirmed yet, although if anyone is interested PM me and I can send you more details if/when it's happening.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
I know a lot of fellas who have ex-wives that would still say anything to try and ruin their ex-husbands and vice-versa, don't know what planet alot of posters live on to be honest. If she can prove her accusations then he should be punished accordingly, but at the minute it's nothing more than unfounded accusations that would require him to step away until fully investigated by the police.
It's almost like you seen the post by Austin Powers and thought "I better get back in and reclaim my crown"
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/)
No denial that he abused her which would be the first thing any innocent man would write.
He says that "the allegations made against him have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities"
But now the story is all over the media and the Internet. That's very different.
I think if people want talk about RG accusations create a new thread ( likely liable if u do) . Fball barely been talked on this thread for 20 odd pgs
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 02:12:29 PM
I know a lot of fellas who have ex-wives that would still say anything to try and ruin their ex-husbands and vice-versa, don't know what planet alot of posters live on to be honest. If she can prove her accusations then he should be punished accordingly, but at the minute it's nothing more than unfounded accusations that would require him to step away until fully investigated by the police.
The planet where you know people who know people who can tell you quick enough whether things like this are true or not is the planet. The planet where the first line of a statement would read I categorically deny these accusations... That's what planet.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2023, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/)
No denial that he abused her which would be the first thing any innocent man would write.
He says that "the allegations made against him have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities"
But now the story is all over the media and the Internet. That's very different.
Which wasn't a denial
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2023, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2023, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 11:22:00 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/ (https://www.impartialreporter.com/news/23514420.rory-gallagher-responds-domestic-abuse-allegations/)
No denial that he abused her which would be the first thing any innocent man would write.
He says that "the allegations made against him have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities"
But now the story is all over the media and the Internet. That's very different.
Which wasn't a denial
First line of your statement would be to say that all allegations are completely untrue. That statement screams out that he can't deny what he did but theres no proof to convict him
For Gods sake lads this thread is sposed to be about the Ulster Final. I understand how RG is relevant but only so much as "Will he be on the line for Derry?" and no more. Lets see how the situation plays out and trust that justice will be served to whoever deserves it.
Now can we stop talking about brutal beatings from animalistic thugs and get back to Football?
I'll start. How big a role do you think McFaul will play for Derry on sunday?
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 11, 2023, 02:57:49 PM
For Gods sake lads this thread is sposed to be about the Ulster Final. I understand how RG is relevant but only so much as "Will he be on the line for Derry?" and no more. Lets see how the situation plays out and trust that justice will be served to whoever deserves it.
Now can we stop talking about brutal beatings from animalistic thugs and get back to Football?
I'll start. How big a role do you think McFaul will play for Derry on sunday?
;D
Quote from: Itchy on May 11, 2023, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
Congrats on winning the most stupid post of the month contest
Damn you Itchy...you beat me to it.
Stupidest post I have ever seen on any forum.
She's his ex-wife for gods sake.
Anyone can go onto internet and say "I was in a bar and I saw him do this or that or the other"
If my Mrs. ( the mother of my kids ) said that I'd systemically abused her that would be bad enough, but this lady didn't do that. She put it in writing.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Seriously folks, the posts are getting ridiculous
Trial by Facebook. It's madness
So if I wanTed to upset say, Kerry's preparations for upcoming championship matches , maybe I could put up a Facebook post saying I was down in Killarney and I seen X Kerry player smashing a shop window, punching a taxi driver , or Biting the head off a chicken , etc ....would that be grounds for jack o Connor or the Kerry board to say to player x, sit this one out lad. Someone on Facebook said they seen you doing x y or z. Better we drop you until there's an investigation? Get a grip , of course they wouldn't
I don't know RG or his wife/ex wife . , nor their past/present situation. Nor do most of you I'd imagine. Get a grip and talk about the football and leave this to the appropriate authorities
Aye you are right about some of the posts getting ridiculous Ill give you that :o
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 11, 2023, 02:57:49 PM
For Gods sake lads this thread is sposed to be about the Ulster Final. I understand how RG is relevant but only so much as "Will he be on the line for Derry?" and no more. Lets see how the situation plays out and trust that justice will be served to whoever deserves it.
Now can we stop talking about brutal beatings from animalistic thugs and get back to Football?
I'll start. How big a role do you think McFaul will play for Derry on sunday?
Clever 😉
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 11, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: The Trap on May 11, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Do people just want to move on now and talk about football? Hope it all goes away.........the statement doesn't deny any of the accusations. By just moving on and toughing it out we are all going to be silently complicit. Is that the outcome we want?
Just ones from Derry want to brush it under the carpet and talk football
Thats not ture. Im from Derry, going to the match on Sunday, and there is plenty of people within the county that wouldnt be happy if he is on the line on Sunday.
It's one thing to beat Armagh. Mná na hÉireann is a different matter.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Rory%20Gallagher%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
It's on the BBC site so we can now assume that the integrity of his statement is beyond question.
Why no denial of the allegations?
Why mention social services? ( I would imagine that there is a social worker/ team frantically pulling together all their notes on this case)
Why no statement from Derry GAA indicating " we have spoken to Mr. Gallagher and he strenuously denies ANY accusations of physical violence"?
Earlier in the thread it appeared that some posters had inside info that the allegations were based in fact.
How difficult is it going to be to prove if she sat exams with 2 black eyes? There will have been others in that exam hall.
All of this is tarnishing the reputation of the GAA. People who would barely know what the Ulster Final was asking for thoughts on " this wife beating thing" ...their words not mine.
Sad times
This definitely brings back memories of the trial of Paddy Jackson and his chums.
This one is gonna have similar parallels; i can see it being discussed for a long time to come in all forms of media.
Unfortunately it will bring out the worst in people too when discussing the issues.
Derry better structured and disciplined whereas Armagh always liable to let themselves down. Derry should win by 1-4 pts.
Dont rule out a draw though if Armagh can keep the chest-beating to a minimum and concentrate on their own game.
Quote from: HiMucker on May 11, 2023, 03:06:17 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 11, 2023, 02:11:23 PM
Quote from: The Trap on May 11, 2023, 02:02:00 PM
Do people just want to move on now and talk about football? Hope it all goes away.........the statement doesn't deny any of the accusations. By just moving on and toughing it out we are all going to be silently complicit. Is that the outcome we want?
Just ones from Derry want to brush it under the carpet and talk football
Thats not ture. Im from Derry, going to the match on Sunday, and there is plenty of people within the county that wouldnt be happy if he is on the line on Sunday.
Tbf I have a few Derry mates who I engage is ligh hearted banter with regularly as I reserve my hatred for Tyrone but even they are quiet and uncomfortable about the thought of RG on the line .
He may be innocent but the venom he will face on Sunday may be unprecedented .
Frig at the moment even the tyronnies and down men are siding with Armagh
The reality is, if he is on the line on Sunday this will be a huge PR problem for the GAA. at the minute Guilt or innocence is not the issue, it is the perception of taking accusations seriously.
The media would absolutely slaughter both Derry and the GAA in general for being seen to be soft on domestic violence.
RG is not the calmest man on the sideline so the almost certain hostile reaction of the crowd could set something off, which again would be a PR disaster.
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
I would say there are safety / security considerations too and a a lot of them. I don't see how he can be on the line Sunday.
Media is stuffed. They can say nothing.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It's front page news! I can't see how they can ignore it.
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It's front page news! I can't see how they can ignore it.
Agree with Trailer (I'm shocked) not as if they haven't discussed allegations against Trump/Prince Andrew/Tate etc.. Media can report it, what people are expecting to happen, statements put out - they don't have to give an opinion on it like an episode of Loose Women
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It's front page news! I can't see how they can ignore it.
The reports are all just very carefully worded repeats of both their statements. There is no comment or debate and nor should there be on TV it would not even be legal.
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
I agree but dont see much being said about it on Sunday in the build up, a brief mention if even
All be sorted if RG shows some thought to Derry GAA and removes himself from the circus. It won't go away as a result. But defuses the atmosphere for Sunday to a degree. I think that's the fairest way from all parties. From speaking to a few Derry wans, they aren't keen to have him on the line. And some of the posters on here seem to be the same. There's enough doubt now and imo he shouldn't be there. Think it's time for him to read the room a bit better and put Derry first.
He wont be along the line on Sunday. Just cant see it.
Assume moves will be made, someone will step in and i couldnt see him being allowed to be present.
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:25:35 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It's front page news! I can't see how they can ignore it.
The media can talk about domestic violence and how sporting organisations react to them.
The story was on the front page of THe Irish News this morning without naming him, but he has since confirmed that the alligations are about him.
As long as they do not make statements saying he is guilty what would be the case for libel.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2023, 03:31:05 PM
All be sorted if RG shows some thought to Derry GAA and removes himself from the circus. It won't go away as a result. But defuses the atmosphere for Sunday to a degree. I think that's the fairest way from all parties. From speaking to a few Derry wans, they aren't keen to have him on the line. And some of the posters on here seem to be the same. There's enough doubt now and imo he shouldn't be there. Think it's time for him to read the room a bit better and put Derry first.
Derry should be thinking about their reputation if something goes off on Sunday. He's been known to give players and opposition managers shit before all this comes out, a reaction could on Sunday could cause all sorts. I noticed him roaring something at Conor McManus against Monaghan, I think Conor Laverty and him were at it in the McKenna Cup if I remember correctly.
You can bury your head in the sand all you want but if you think some (not all) Armagh players are not already thinking of something to say to him or the Derry players you're mad. As for the shit he'll get from behind the wire...
And I don't mean that as a dig at Armagh, every county/club would be at it ffs
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
The amount of newbie posters on here, tad suspect. Residency order in most cases no issue, though I know one close to a friend was based on pure lies. Which actually didnt have to be proven, as hard as that is to believe. Wrong word to a social worker out context could sink you.
Quote from: clonian on May 11, 2023, 03:47:06 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2023, 03:31:05 PM
All be sorted if RG shows some thought to Derry GAA and removes himself from the circus. It won't go away as a result. But defuses the atmosphere for Sunday to a degree. I think that's the fairest way from all parties. From speaking to a few Derry wans, they aren't keen to have him on the line. And some of the posters on here seem to be the same. There's enough doubt now and imo he shouldn't be there. Think it's time for him to read the room a bit better and put Derry first.
Derry should be thinking about their reputation if something goes off on Sunday. He's been known to give players and opposition managers shit before all this comes out, a reaction could on Sunday could cause all sorts. I noticed him roaring something at Conor McManus against Monaghan, I think Conor Laverty and him were at it in the McKenna Cup if I remember correctly.
You can bury your head in the sand all you want but if you think some (not all) Armagh players are not already thinking of something to say to him or the Derry players you're mad. As for the shit he'll get from behind the wire...
And I don't mean that as a dig at Armagh, every county/club would be at it ffs
If he is along the line the atmosphere will be mental. Can you imagine the game in the melting pot 2nd half, sell out crowd and Gallagher up to his usual antics.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
It should be a debate on Derry's preparation which has been overshowed by these allegations. How will it have affected the camp? That is a question I would expect to be asked at the very least.
If Rory had some credit in the bank, perhaps he was a little more reserved. Perhaps if he held values of the GAA closer to his heart, like community, volunteerism. If he was more of a sportsman, then maybe some people might like him a little more.
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
It says a lot to me also, anyone with knowledge of legal system knows how rare it is for fathers to get custody of children over mothers. Rarely ever happens.
But heres an element in society now that think that anything a woman says is gospel truth and much be treated as such, and screw the legal system or actual evidence, nothing but mob mentality on social media, with keyboards instead of pitchforks.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
100%. It's much harder for a man to get full custody of the kids, and even harder if there is even a hint of domestic abuse. As I said, I'm not disbelieving either story until I see all the facts. I could certainly see a scenario where it would do more harm than good for Gallagher to outright deny/refute the allegations. He is after all dealing with the situation personally
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
It says a lot to me also, anyone with knowledge of legal system knows how rare it is for fathers to get custody of children over mothers. Rarely ever happens.
But heres an element in society now that think that anything a woman says is gospel truth and much be treated as such, and screw the legal system or actual evidence, nothing but mob mentality on social media, with keyboards instead of pitchforks.
100%
Why would he care who likes him.
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:59:46 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
It should be a debate on Derry's preparation which has been overshowed by these allegations. How will it have affected the camp? That is a question I would expect to be asked at the very least.
Thats a question that will probably be discussed in the pubs in Clones and elsewhere, not on national TV!
QuoteIf Rory had some credit in the bank, perhaps he was a little more reserved. Perhaps if he held values of the GAA closer to his heart, like community, volunteerism. If he was more of a sportsman, then maybe some people might like him a little more.
I think thats an unfair comment, I'm sure he's volunteered as much hours of his time as anyone on this board. I think it's obvious you and many others already really dislike the man for sideline antics.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
You are talking absolute nonsense.
Your words were BBC can't touch this. They already are.
You now say they can't have a "a circus act debate". Who exactly was advocating that they should? Who beloved there was any likelihood of some sort of Jerry Springer type debate. You are making up arguments in order to defeat them.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
It would the wife who I would throw my support to.based on what we know at this stage. I wouldn't put any weight on the fact he has custody of the kids based on the detailed account of what he put her through.
Football is a side show here. Gallagher in my opinion is now making it worse by not denying whilst not stepping away from football until resolved. Derry Co board look the worst. SPINELESS.
football ahead of everything in Derry
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Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
FFS it was already pointed out to you that no one has claimed he's guilty. But you seem to want to slip behind that cover to shut down any discussions. People are pointing out that given the allegations, he should step aside to prevent this circus from continuing into Sunday and Derry's preparations. And it will be mentioned by the bbc. It already has been. And I'm sure they'll have a very short, scripted conversation at the start about it, without discussing guilt. They definitely will not just ignore it. They can't.
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All be sorted if RG shows some thought to Derry GAA and removes himself from the circus. It won't go away as a result. But defuses the atmosphere for Sunday to a degree. I think that's the fairest way from all parties. From speaking to a few Derry wans, they aren't keen to have him on the line. And some of the posters on here seem to be the same. There's enough doubt now and imo he shouldn't be there. Think it's time for him to read the room a bit better and put Derry first.
Derry should be thinking about their reputation if something goes off on Sunday. He's been known to give players and opposition managers shit before all this comes out, a reaction could on Sunday could cause all sorts. I noticed him roaring something at Conor McManus against Monaghan, I think Conor Laverty and him were at it in the McKenna Cup if I remember correctly.
You can bury your head in the sand all you want but if you think some (not all) Armagh players are not already thinking of something to say to him or the Derry players you're mad. As for the shit he'll get from behind the wire...
And I don't mean that as a dig at Armagh, every county/club would be at it ffs
He be doing well to get out with his teeth you'd imagine...
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
It says a lot to me also, anyone with knowledge of legal system knows how rare it is for fathers to get custody of children over mothers. Rarely ever happens.
But heres an element in society now that think that anything a woman says is gospel truth and much be treated as such, and screw the legal system or actual evidence, nothing but mob mentality on social media, with keyboards instead of pitchforks.
Dreadful post.
The woman has a problem with alcohol. She says so herself. Likelihood of getting custody was low.
She links the alcohol issue to the abuse she alleges. It hardly weakens her account. Meanwhile the statement issued by Gallagher does not deny the allegations but does focus on the custody issue. Neither of us know the absolute truth or where this is going to end.
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Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
You are talking absolute nonsense.
Your words were BBC can't touch this. They already are.
You now say they can't have a "a circus act debate". Who exactly was advocating that they should? Who beloved there was any likelihood of some sort of Jerry Springer type debate. You are making up arguments in order to defeat them.
You seem to be unable to understand, if you think reporting a statement on news, is the same as football pundits discussing it. Discuss was the original term, debate. If you think BBC or RTE will debate or discuss this stuff in like some sort of pub chatter you're clueless
Why on earth do you want it discussed on the Sunday game? You seem to be in love with the drama, get a grip of yourself.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
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Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
You are talking absolute nonsense.
Your words were BBC can't touch this. They already are.
You now say they can't have a "a circus act debate". Who exactly was advocating that they should? Who beloved there was any likelihood of some sort of Jerry Springer type debate. You are making up arguments in order to defeat them.
You seem to be unable to understand, if you think reporting a statement on news, is the same as football pundits discussing it. Discuss was the original term, debate. If you think BBC or RTE will debate or discuss this stuff in like some sort of pub chatter you're clueless
Why on earth do you want it discussed on the Sunday game? You seem to be in love with the drama, get a grip of yourself.
Where did I say I expected or even wanted BBC or RTE to discuss this like some sort of pub chatter?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
She was probably under the water when he got the kids anyway and unable to prove anything.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2023, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama
No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board
Genuinely on the football side think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 04:08:40 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:59:46 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:52:23 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 03:41:17 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 03:21:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 11, 2023, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going away and pleads of let's get back to football won't work.
TV on Sunday has to discuss this in the build up. Ignoring it makes them at best look like clowns, at worst complicit in how DV is covered up and dealt with in Ireland.
I'd love nothing more than to wind up the Armagh legion on here, believe me but this is front page news and will pull people into the discussion who wouldn't know who or what was happening on Sunday.
TV cannot touch this with a bargepole, RTE or BBC would be sued into the next millennium and they know it.
What is there too discuss on TV and to what end? RTE in particular have been sued for libel numerous times.
The baying mob on here need to get a grip
It leads the BBC NI news. How is that not touching it with a barge pole??
I would be confident that BBC won't be doing fan vox pops but not mentioning the manager not turning up or the manager turning up and it having a material impact on the atmosphere would be impossible.
Clones is a dump. The game is there because of the atmosphere. Not mentioning the atmosphere would be impossible. Watching the Armagh vs Down there was significant comment on the atmosphere and not just during the Orla Bannon pitchside stuff.
I really can't see where you are coming from on this one.
The interviews with the Ladies after there came could be interesting.
There is a difference between careful reporting on the news ala the papers and some sort of circus act debate on TV football pundits which was some posters seem to be clamouring for.
I think some on here just love the drama of this and the chance to destroy a man they already dislike while feeling morally righteous.
It should be a debate on Derry's preparation which has been overshowed by these allegations. How will it have affected the camp? That is a question I would expect to be asked at the very least.
Thats a question that will probably be discussed in the pubs in Clones and elsewhere, not on national TV!
QuoteIf Rory had some credit in the bank, perhaps he was a little more reserved. Perhaps if he held values of the GAA closer to his heart, like community, volunteerism. If he was more of a sportsman, then maybe some people might like him a little more.
I think thats an unfair comment, I'm sure he's volunteered as much hours of his time as anyone on this board. I think it's obvious you and many others already really dislike the man for sideline antics.
It's absolutely not unfair. Rory is a big boy. If he acts like a dose on the line he cannot expect all people to like and respect him.
You can hope and wish that TV doesn't talk about it, but there will be female pundits on TV on Sunday and whatever about Murphy and McConville ignoring it, they girls won't and neither should they.
I wonder would half the lads post the stuff they do on here, if they weren't all hiding behind aliases. Armagh supporters all confident of winning, yet don't know what they base it on, any neutral seems to have Derry edging it.
Re the NG post one of the things I though strange that even at 18 this behaviour was apparently going on, f@#k me doing A levels with two black eyes. Surely the alarm bells would have been ringing then.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
I wonder would half the lads post the stuff they do on here, if they weren't all hiding behind aliases. Armagh supporters all confident of winning, yet don't know what they base it on, any neutral seems to have Derry edging it.
Tbf most Armagh posters on the board are pretty level headed about the sad situation
Other newbie posters are a lot more vocal
I think we will win , jeez as a supporter spending your money one is entitled to be confident.
Quote from: naka on May 11, 2023, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 04:17:14 PM
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama
No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board
Genuinely on the football side think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !
It's sad for those involved and the kids. Derry CB can't dismiss an innocent man (for that's what he is until proven otherwise) and nor can they legitimately expect him to step aside. He probably should for the sake of his team, but standing firm might also be seen as a declaration of innocence. So much depends on the truth or otherwise of the Facebook post
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
I wonder would half the lads post the stuff they do on here, if they weren't all hiding behind aliases. Armagh supporters all confident of winning, yet don't know what they base it on, any neutral seems to have Derry edging it.
Where are you even getting that from? Certainly there are going to be a few travelling in confidence but around my part of the county I would most know that we would have to be at our best to win and that Derry are favourites. Only marginally so.
We have had days before where just don't perform and then have to chase the game and get picked off on the break. Derry very well set up to do that sort of job. If the question was "can" we win then the answer absolutely is Yes.
I had Derry winning comfortably enough but this week's news adds the unknown now. Not sure how this will affect Derry. Some players might react differently to others.
The danger is some drunked up have a go hero might do something
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama
No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board
Genuinely on the football side think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !
It's sad for those involved and the kids. Derry CB can't dismiss an innocent man (for that's what he is until proven otherwise) and nor can they legitimately expect him to step aside. He probably should for the sake of his team, but standing firm might also be seen as a declaration of innocence. So much depends on the truth or otherwise of the Facebook post
Not strictly true that.
They can ask him if he is guilty. I would go further and say the must ask him if he is guilty. Guilty being even one incidence of domestic violence. If he says Yes then he is immediately dismissed. If if refuses to give a clear statement of innocence then he puts them in the position of having to sack him. If he makes a clear statement of innocence and there are credible grounds to believe him then they can back him or suspend him pending all the confirmations they require.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 04:30:38 PM
Armagh supporters all confident of winning, yet don't know what they base it on, any neutral seems to have Derry edging it.
Derry have shown that they can do it against a good team in the Monaghan game. Armagh people have seen glimpses of what Armagh can do and believe that they too can do it on the day, but are fully aware that they have met nothing so far.
How would he have got a residence order if the accusations were true? Surely she would raise any legitimate reasons why he shouldn't have custody and if this happened as frequently as some have speculated, surely the kids would have witnessed something at some point and said so if asked.
On the match, there is no chance he will be managing on Sunday.
I don't think there is a cat in hells chance he will be on the sideline on Sunday but the vacuum just creates idle speculation.
I don't expect that he will be taking Derry training this week either as his head must be anywhere but a game of football on Sunday. Kick out strategies and zonal defending will be the last thing on his mind this week. Which is desperate timing for Derry their supporters, players and county board. Gallagher, unlike some other management teams which rely on a combined backroom team, was more than the manager, he was the coach. the tactician and the motivator all rolled into one. It will be difficult for Derry to refocus now for Sunday and there will be an eerie feeling in their dressing room in the run up to and on the day of the match itself. Whilst I thought it was 50/50 before this week I'd be confident that this has swung it in Armaghs favour provided that we too don't become distracted.
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2023, 03:51:52 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama
No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board
Genuinely on the football side think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !
It's sad for those involved and the kids. Derry CB can't dismiss an innocent man (for that's what he is until proven otherwise) and nor can they legitimately expect him to step aside. He probably should for the sake of his team, but standing firm might also be seen as a declaration of innocence. So much depends on the truth or otherwise of the Facebook post
Not strictly true that.
They can ask him if he is guilty. I would go further and say the must ask him if he is guilty. Guilty being even one incidence of domestic violence. If he says Yes then he is immediately dismissed. If if refuses to give a clear statement of innocence then he puts them in the position of having to sack him. If he makes a clear statement of innocence and there are credible grounds to believe him then they can back him or suspend him pending all the confirmations they require.
I'm writing what I write based on the situation as it stands. At the moment, these are allegations
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Quote from: High Fielder on May 11, 2023, 03:43:07 PM
Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama
No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board
Genuinely on the football side think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !
It's sad for those involved and the kids. Derry CB can't dismiss an innocent man (for that's what he is until proven otherwise) and nor can they legitimately expect him to step aside. He probably should for the sake of his team, but standing firm might also be seen as a declaration of innocence. So much depends on the truth or otherwise of the Facebook post
Not strictly true that.
They can ask him if he is guilty. I would go further and say the must ask him if he is guilty. Guilty being even one incidence of domestic violence. If he says Yes then he is immediately dismissed. If if refuses to give a clear statement of innocence then he puts them in the position of having to sack him. If he makes a clear statement of innocence and there are credible grounds to believe him then they can back him or suspend him pending all the confirmations they require.
I'm writing what I write based on the situation as it stands. At the moment, these are allegations
So is there a reason why the County Board can't do as I outlined?
Anyone want to take a guess at the curtain raiser in Clones?
Irony.
You couldn't make it up!
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 05:11:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
Ulster GAA statement.
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Ulster GAA has commented ahead of Sunday's Ulster Senior Football Championship Final in Clones.
In a statement Provincial Secretary and CEO Brian McAvoy urged people travelling to the game to respect the occasion and make it a joyous one for all.
He said; "Clones will be beaming on Sunday with a full capacity St. Tiernach's Park hosting the showpiece game of Gaelic Football calendar in the province. The GAA prides itself on being a community and family organisation and we want Sunday's game to be a celebration of all that is good about our Association and a great day for the GAA in Ulster.
"Unfortunately, isolated actions by a very small minority of supporters at both semi-finals did nothing to enhance our status within the community and I appeal to all supporters to by all means 'get behind' their team, but to do so in a way which is respectful to everyone, irrespective of their creed, gender, tradition, political opinion, or indeed which team they support."
In light of recent events, McAvoy also addressed the issue of domestic abuse.
He said; "While we cannot comment or make judgement on any specific allegation or allegations, Ulster GAA does not condone any form of domestic violence. We are proud to have joined with White Ribbon NI in pledging to never commit, condone or remain silent about violence against women. We encourage and support anyone who has been a victim of such abuse not to suffer in silence but to avail of the statutory and voluntary support services that are available in the community."
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Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
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Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
My point was that they might NOT have known in the first place because the woman was afraid to raise the concerns.
Is that not what Nicola Gallagher's post was about? Silence?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 04:49:03 PM
How would he have got a residence order if the accusations were true? Surely she would raise any legitimate reasons why he shouldn't have custody and if this happened as frequently as some have speculated, surely the kids would have witnessed something at some point and said so if asked.
On the match, there is no chance he will be managing on Sunday.
If she had been drinking heavily at the time the social workers were involved he would have got the kids and she would not have been able to oppose it.
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Ulster GAA statement.
How to say nothing in six paragraphs
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Ulster GAA has commented ahead of Sunday's Ulster Senior Football Championship Final in Clones.
In a statement Provincial Secretary and CEO Brian McAvoy urged people travelling to the game to respect the occasion and make it a joyous one for all.
He said; "Clones will be beaming on Sunday with a full capacity St. Tiernach's Park hosting the showpiece game of Gaelic Football calendar in the province. The GAA prides itself on being a community and family organisation and we want Sunday's game to be a celebration of all that is good about our Association and a great day for the GAA in Ulster.
"Unfortunately, isolated actions by a very small minority of supporters at both semi-finals did nothing to enhance our status within the community and I appeal to all supporters to by all means 'get behind' their team, but to do so in a way which is respectful to everyone, irrespective of their creed, gender, tradition, political opinion, or indeed which team they support."
In light of recent events, McAvoy also addressed the issue of domestic abuse.
He said; "While we cannot comment or make judgement on any specific allegation or allegations, Ulster GAA does not condone any form of domestic violence. We are proud to have joined with White Ribbon NI in pledging to never commit, condone or remain silent about violence against women. We encourage and support anyone who has been a victim of such abuse not to suffer in silence but to avail of the statutory and voluntary support services that are available in the community."
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Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
My point was that they might NOT have known in the first place because the woman was afraid to raise the concerns.
Is that not what Nicola Gallagher's post was about? Silence?
Yeah but in RG statement he said 'Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.' that would be something that will be easily verified by police/ gateway so I would doubt his legal team would let him put that in the statement if it wasn't true.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 11, 2023, 04:53:06 PM
I don't think there is a cat in hells chance he will be on the sideline on Sunday but the vacuum just creates idle speculation.
I don't expect that he will be taking Derry training this week either as his head must be anywhere but a game of football on Sunday. Kick out strategies and zonal defending will be the last thing on his mind this week. Which is desperate timing for Derry their supporters, players and county board. Gallagher, unlike some other management teams which rely on a combined backroom team, was more than the manager, he was the coach. the tactician and the motivator all rolled into one. It will be difficult for Derry to refocus now for Sunday and there will be an eerie feeling in their dressing room in the run up to and on the day of the match itself. Whilst I thought it was 50/50 before this week I'd be confident that this has swung it in Armaghs favour provided that we too don't become distracted.
This us how I see it also.
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Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
My point was that they might NOT have known in the first place because the woman was afraid to raise the concerns.
Is that not what Nicola Gallagher's post was about? Silence?
Yeah but in RG statement he said 'Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.' that would be something that will be easily verified by police/ gateway so I would doubt his legal team would let him put that in the statement if it wasn't true.
Relevant authorities is vague but probably means social workers .
the story is in the national outrage system now and may be for several days.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
My point was that they might NOT have known in the first place because the woman was afraid to raise the concerns.
Is that not what Nicola Gallagher's post was about? Silence?
Yeah but in RG statement he said 'Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities.' that would be something that will be easily verified by police/ gateway so I would doubt his legal team would let him put that in the statement if it wasn't true.
That's fair... assuming the allegations the authorities investigated covered everything. Which would put it at odds with her FB statement about staying silent.
Horrible situation.
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Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2023, 02:08:43 PM
Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
You give social workers and social services too much credit. Have been involved in similar circumstances through family and they have proved to be utterly inept and stubborn. A lot depends on who you get and indeed what mood you get them in. As alluded to earlier, one wrong word to them and they can have a child taken away instantly.
By the time they got involved I would say she was heavily dependent on alcohol and the reason they got involved. Then it's a simple case of "Who do we believe? Father who is a role model in the gaa or mother who is alcohol dependent?" It's easy to present a good show for a 15 minute visit or 1 hour meeting.
"Those marks? Sure she is drunk half the time and falling banging herself of furniture etc"
We've seen countless time of failings from social services were the child's life ends in tragedy.
His version of allegations being dealt with could be very different to what we understand i.e it was mentioned once in a meeting and nothing came from it.
I've turned this into a rant now, apologies. There is certainly a lot more behind the scenes than has been made public and I would say the lack of an outright denial of any allegations speaks volumes.
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Yes but That doesn't mean these allegations are true.
See now you're moving the goalposts. Nobody on this thread, as far as I can see, has said that the allegations are true or that Gallagher is guilty of anything.
Your point was to ask if you could just make up shit to get someone discredited and removed from their position. The counter to that is that serious allegations from someone close (for example, a wife) have to be taken more seriously than those of any old twat on the internet. Do you not see the difference?
I do see the difference. But my point was that trial by FB sets a dangerous precedence.
I didn't really want to go into this case , but it seems odd that he has custody of kids , and surely that involved courts/authorities, so why wasn't these allegations made during that process ?
Like I say , I really didn't want to go into this , as it's clearly a delicate issue. So that's all I'll say on it.
Come on, are you really that naïve?
Her with an alcohol problem and possibly under threats of additional violence and being cut off completely from her children? You never heard of a similar scenario where a woman was afraid to go public?
If there were domestic abuse allegations with any foundation there is no way gateway/ social services would have given him custody. Regardless of whether the mother of a child has an alcohol problem. It's not a case of they have to go with one of the parents, if there are doubts over both parents the kids would go to a family member or into care. Not a chance a social worker would leave themselves open to recommending a child live with a parent with serious allegations hanging over them.
If you believe that about social services you'd believe anything, kids are daily being left in horrendous situations.
If his statement had included a denial of the allegations there would have been a pile on to call him a liar. David McK offered solid advice earlier in the thread. Suggest people go back and read it - http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=31998.msg2199966#msg2199966
Not this case, but it seems anyone who's in the public eye could possibly be or actually have already been accused of anything through social media and whether it's true or not will or could potentially lose their living/friends/family and be put through the courts because someone wants to have a go at them.
But it doesn't stop the social media detectives/lawyers having their pound of flesh and coming to their own conclusions
It's truly amazing what people will believe about the system till they experience it . Ye do realise men are known to be abusers and known by Gardai but it's a long long long road to getting them found guilty in a court . The controlling abuse can be something again you'd never understand, women will often make statements only to withdraw them days later because of the control . It's fooking horrible . The layman picking up on a story would often say " ahh shur why did she go back to him or why didn't she get out if he was such a basta" etc etc but it really is not black and white at all . The control and manipulation is off the scale .
Christ. Police found enough in allegations to send a file to the DPP.
So much for the "it's already been dealt with by the authorities" crowd.
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Christ. Police found enough in allegations to send a file to the DPP.
So much for the "it's already been dealt with by the authorities" crowd.
Staggering!
Derry GAA after watching that bbc ni headline news report cannot continue to sit on their hands
PPS investigated,no prosecution, no evidence, case closed reports BBC
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PPS investigated,no prosecution, no evidence, case closed reports BBC
There was evidently no prosecution, that's not news.
No evidence? I didn't hear that on the BBC. Can anyone else corroborate uimhr ocht's post? Or has he just made it up/displayed a mind boggling understanding of the criminal justice process?
If this matter had been dealt with by psni or garda surely he would have stated that and if the allegations are not true he would have stated so.
In a family law or custody case the matter is dealt with in camera. There would have been statements taken by social workers and all these statements must remain confidential and cannot be used in a different forum, only the case that the statements were given for.
Mrs. Gallagher's Facebook post said she was breaking her silence and going public so it's pretty obvious reading her statement and Rory's statement that the reverent authorities were the people dealing with the family situation.
Seafoids posts on this whole matter are right on the money and imo this story has only started.
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/rory-gallagher-police-investigated-claims-of-domestic-abuse-against-derry-manager/1987612000.html
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Based on what is happening on twitter there are probably loads of women's groups in Derry and elsewhere who would be available to help Mrs G get her experience and evidence
into the right legal form to go further this time.
Jesus I don't envy his job, but somebody let the Derry PRO out of the broom closet in
Owenbeg and say something.
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
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Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
seriously? That's your take from that?
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Gallagher has a Residence Order for the 3 children. That says a lot to me. I'm not disbelieving the girl, but those looking to burn Gallagher are premature. There's s lot more to this story than that Facebook post imo
The post from his wife mentioned that she had turned to alcohol, this would clearly be an issue if she was seeking custody of the children.
Yeah the custody thing means nothing in terms of guilty or not
I didn't say it did. But I'm more persuaded by the fact that he has the kids. I don't know anything about the girl. She might be the most genuine person in the world or a woman scorned
That's the point
We don't know the situation
We do know that if RG is on the line all manner of vile abuse will
Be thrown at him in the cauldron of battle
Tv will love the drama
No one will win in this scenario
It's just a desperate situation for all concerned and in that I include the county board
Genuinely on the football side think Armagh will win
No reasoning just a feeling of confidence !
It's sad for those involved and the kids. Derry CB can't dismiss an innocent man (for that's what he is until proven otherwise) and nor can they legitimately expect him to step aside. He probably should for the sake of his team, but standing firm might also be seen as a declaration of innocence. So much depends on the truth or otherwise of the Facebook post
Not strictly true that.
They can ask him if he is guilty. I would go further and say the must ask him if he is guilty. Guilty being even one incidence of domestic violence. If he says Yes then he is immediately dismissed. If if refuses to give a clear statement of innocence then he puts them in the position of having to sack him. If he makes a clear statement of innocence and there are credible grounds to believe him then they can back him or suspend him pending all the confirmations they require.
I'm writing what I write based on the situation as it stands. At the moment, these are allegations
So is there a reason why the County Board can't do as I outlined?
They can do, and they must do, whatever they see fit. Nothing at all wrong with what you said, as long as it's reasonable and justified. They have to suspend him if they believe the allegations are true, but they probably can't until they know that for sure
Sample twitter comment
https://twitter.com/a4cderry/status/1656635140729077766
Alliance for Choice Derry
@a4cderry
Having read Rory Gallagher's response where he weaponises substance abuse issues (likely a coping mechanism for his abuse), a reminder that our institutions are built by patriarchy to enable misogyny. We strongly stand by this statement. #IBelieveHer
This is senior hurling
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Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
They didn't feel they had enough evidence. That does not correspond to what Rory Gallagher implied. Nothing was definitively settled.
That is where things are.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2023, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
They didn't feel they had enough evidence. That does not correspond to what Rory Gallagher implied. Nothing was definitively settled.
That is where things are.
David McK can probably clarify the technicalities but the DPP won't prosecute unless they believe there is a likelihood of a conviction.
This is no way means "no evidence" or "they investigated and found nothing" like some people assist to believe.
He of course remains innocent until proven guilty.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
No. They investigated and found enough to provide a file to the PPS who decided they did not have enough to go further.
That's a mile away from nothing.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 11, 2023, 07:41:54 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
No. They investigated and found enough to provide a file to the PPS who decided they did not have enough to go further.
That's a mile away from nothing.
But wouldn't they have to provide a file anyway? Can they legitimately tell the victim it's not going to the PPS?
Quote from: p3427977 on May 11, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.
Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on May 11, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.
Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.
Cheers. Was genuinely unsure.
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
Are you related to Gallagher or something? Why are you so keen to stop others discussing this? Very strange.
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on May 11, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.
Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.
That's 100% wrong. The police will send the file to the PPS regardless, in fact, they have no real power. The police in this case would provide the file with a recommendation. For prosecution or no prosecution. Even in the case of police recommending no prosecution the PPS can still decide to go through with it.
I still can't see a way for him to be on the line on Sunday. He's a public figure in a leadership role with a massive question mark against him. He should be stood aside until a way forward is found. Implausible that he's running up and down roaring at people on Sunday.
It can't happen. I could see there being protests and tbh I think there are real safety and security concerns here too more so for him. The GAA , and Derry, have a huge or problem here innocent or guilty wrt pr. This has to be dealt with before Sunday and it has taken long enough.
Sounds like the heels are being dug in by Gallagher and Derry. I expect him to be on the sideline on Sunday, and it will be a very bad look for Derry and the GAA.
Going back to the Ulster rugby rape trial the media attention involved generated huge interest in the female population and Paddy Jackson never played for Ireland again.
Giggsy lost his job as Wales manager. His retrial for domestic abuse is scheduled for July.
The stakes are huge. Women will mobilise. Rory Gallagher would be better off doing a deal now.
If he stood along the line last year when police investigation was ongoing and Derry Co Board did nothing then they'll do nothing now - RG be on the line Sunday imo the way today has developed.. But you'd be sure some abuse be thrown his way if he carries own like he usually does during games
How does a fella get away with something like that for so long without getting filled in by a brother, friend, father or cousin? I wouldn't last 2 mins if I cuffed the wife.
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2023, 08:28:30 PM
Going back to the Ulster rugby rape trial the media attention involved generated huge interest in the female population and Paddy Jackson never played for Ireland again.
Giggsy lost his job as Wales manager. His retrial for domestic abuse is scheduled for July.
The stakes are huge. Women will mobilise. Rory Gallagher would be better off doing a deal now.
That's my take on it. Derry seem to think get Sunday outta the way and this becomes yesterdays news
But this things only getting started.
Quote from: God14 on May 11, 2023, 08:38:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2023, 08:28:30 PM
Going back to the Ulster rugby rape trial the media attention involved generated huge interest in the female population and Paddy Jackson never played for Ireland again.
Giggsy lost his job as Wales manager. His retrial for domestic abuse is scheduled for July.
The stakes are huge. Women will mobilise. Rory Gallagher would be better off doing a deal now.
That's my take on it. Derry seem to think get Sunday outta the way and this becomes yesterdays news
But this things only getting started.
The #IBelieveHer hashtag is already on the go.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2023, 08:22:48 PM
It can't happen. I could see there being protests and tbh I think there are real safety and security concerns here too more so for him. The GAA , and Derry, have a huge or problem here innocent or guilty wrt pr. This has to be dealt with before Sunday and it has taken long enough.
I can't really see a way for RG to be on the sideline on Sunday either. I won't discuss the details of the allegations as I don't know if they're true, false, partially true.... . The wains in the middle of this current shitstorm, and judging by the statements, historical trauma, God love them, brutal
On the game itself, whether it's the allegations, the shortage of tickets, Ulster Council giving the drunken louts the red carpet onto the Hill at the expense of the families with kids, prob a combination of the lot, mad to say it but atm I've no real appetite for the Ulster Final
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:40:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 11, 2023, 07:34:18 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on May 11, 2023, 06:52:19 PM
A spokesperson for the PSNI said: "Police have investigated a number of reported incidents and files have been submitted to the Public Prosecution Service."
It is understood the PPS received two investigation files from the PSNI in January 2022 and June 2022.
After all the available evidence in these files was considered in line with the PPS Code for Prosecutors, it was determined there was insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction for any offence in relation to any individual.
Decisions not to prosecute any individual were issued in January 2022 and September 2022.
So they investigated and found nothing?
They didn't feel they had enough evidence. That does not correspond to what Rory Gallagher implied. Nothing was definitively settled.
That is where things are.
David McK can probably clarify the technicalities but the DPP won't prosecute unless they believe there is a likelihood of a conviction.
This is no way means "no evidence" or "they investigated and found nothing" like some people assist to believe.
He of course remains innocent until proven guilty.
In the legal system.
But even if he wins a court case he may become unemployable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWCL3Mx6z2w
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2023, 08:36:40 PM
How does a fella get away with something like that for so long without getting filled in by a brother, friend, father or cousin? I wouldn't last 2 mins if I cuffed the wife.
Tbf mine would probably hit me back harder
And then the black bag
I have seen people who have played the system like a flute when allegations of abuse were presented against them. If you really want to expose abuse like this you have to be prepared to lose everything, including the case as the system is set up to look for holes in the complaint. One wrong word, one wrong detail , a factor like booze thrown in and you will get shot down.
Quote from: Whishtup on May 11, 2023, 08:55:50 PM
I have seen people who have played the system like a flute when allegations of abuse were presented against them. If you really want to expose abuse like this you have to be prepared to lose everything, including the case as the system is set up to look for holes in the complaint. One wrong word, one wrong detail , a factor like booze thrown in and you will get shot down.
Given the publicity, you could see a Trump scenario here of a civil case if neither police force proceed.
Derry have 4 matches coming up. The Kingspan was picketed after the rugby trial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcKmOwRk_c&t=492s
Scary to think a woman need only make a Facebook post now and the man is deemed guilty by all and sundry and public enemy number 1.Who needs a legal system or evidence. Mob justice social media style.
What if hes actually innocent and all the bile and hatred against him the past day is unjustified. Nobody remember the Carlow school teachers furore that turned out to be bullshit and journalists got caught big time in that.
Quote from: themac_23 on May 11, 2023, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on May 11, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.
Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.
That's 100% wrong. The police will send the file to the PPS regardless, in fact, they have no real power. The police in this case would provide the file with a recommendation. For prosecution or no prosecution. Even in the case of police recommending no prosecution the PPS can still decide to go through with it.
I think it is you that is 100% incorrect, certainly in respect of any issue in NI. Police only send the file if there is evidence. Possibly this is not how it works in the South.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Scary to think a woman need only make a Facebook post now and the man is deemed guilty by all and sundry and public enemy number 1.Who needs a legal system or evidence. Mob justice social media style.
What if hes actually innocent and all the bile and hatred against him the past day is unjustified. Nobody remember the Carlow school teachers furore that turned out to be bullshit and journalists got caught big time in that.
The issue for me and I assume others is I've heard these stories about him for years and other antics.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Scary to think a woman need only make a Facebook post now and the man is deemed guilty by all and sundry and public enemy number 1.Who needs a legal system or evidence. Mob justice social media style.
What if hes actually innocent and all the bile and hatred against him the past day is unjustified. Nobody remember the Carlow school teachers furore that turned out to be bullshit and journalists got caught big time in that.
The fact is that he issued a statement and he didn't deny the allegations anywhere says it all.
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Scary to think a woman need only make a Facebook post now and the man is deemed guilty by all and sundry and public enemy number 1.Who needs a legal system or evidence. Mob justice social media style.
What if hes actually innocent and all the bile and hatred against him the past day is unjustified. Nobody remember the Carlow school teachers furore that turned out to be bullshit and journalists got caught big time in that.
F**king stop this sh!te. Nobody is saying he's definitely guilty. This has been pointed out to you multiple times but you're either too thick to understand or want to build a straw man argument to try and shut down any discussion.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 09:34:33 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 11, 2023, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on May 11, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.
Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.
That's 100% wrong. The police will send the file to the PPS regardless, in fact, they have no real power. The police in this case would provide the file with a recommendation. For prosecution or no prosecution. Even in the case of police recommending no prosecution the PPS can still decide to go through with it.
I think it is you that is 100% incorrect, certainly in respect of any issue in NI. Police only send the file if there is evidence. Possibly this is not how it works in the South.
Same down here as far as I know. File only sent to DPP if the guards think there's a case to be answered.
There's not even a comment on it on the Derry Twitter feed. They're way off the mark on this so far.
I'm surprised the LGPA haven't said anything
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 06:49:42 PM
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 06:45:24 PM
PPS investigated,no prosecution, no evidence, case closed reports BBC
There was evidently no prosecution, that's not news.
No evidence? I didn't hear that on the BBC. Can anyone else corroborate uimhr ocht's post? Or has he just made it up/displayed a mind boggling understanding of the criminal justice process?
Quote from: smelmoth on May 11, 2023, 09:34:33 PM
Quote from: themac_23 on May 11, 2023, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:44:02 PM
Quote from: p3427977 on May 11, 2023, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2023, 07:21:16 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 11, 2023, 07:14:21 PM
So they investigated and found nothing?
Is that what it says?
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 07:09:49 PM
Gallsman wants Gallagher hung, drawn, and quartered,no winners in this sorry episode for Doire Gaa,Gallagher,or his family, enough said
At no point have I said anything of the sort.
Isn't that normal process though? Doesn't everything have to go through the PPS? What would the PSNI said differently?
The cops can investigate and find nothing. They'll only forward a file to the DPP if they think there's something there. The decision to prosecute or not is the DPP's.
Otherwise, using the example from earlier, any gobshite can abuse anyone of anything and a file would be sent to the prosecutor.
That's 100% wrong. The police will send the file to the PPS regardless, in fact, they have no real power. The police in this case would provide the file with a recommendation. For prosecution or no prosecution. Even in the case of police recommending no prosecution the PPS can still decide to go through with it.
I think it is you that is 100% incorrect, certainly in respect of any issue in NI. Police only send the file if there is evidence. Possibly this is not how it works in the South.
A statement is evidence... they will also give a recommendation it's up to the PPS what they do with that. Plenty of cases have been brought where the only evidence is a statement from a witness
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2023, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Scary to think a woman need only make a Facebook post now and the man is deemed guilty by all and sundry and public enemy number 1.Who needs a legal system or evidence. Mob justice social media style.
What if hes actually innocent and all the bile and hatred against him the past day is unjustified. Nobody remember the Carlow school teachers furore that turned out to be bullshit and journalists got caught big time in that.
F**king stop this sh!te. Nobody is saying he's definitely guilty. This has been pointed out to you multiple times but you're either too thick to understand or want to build a straw man argument to try and shut down any discussion.
For someone who claims he doesn't think he's definitely guilty, you're getting very aggressive about it and have wanted him hung drawn and quartered throughout this thread.
All I'm saying is, there is a legal system, he is entitled to presumption of innocence, a fair trial. None of this is revolutionary stuff.The baying mob doesn't accept the legal system or anything that disagrees with them.
Am waiting for part 2 when she explains why the children are with him. Is she originally from Donegal, as I am wondering if I am confusing who RG married. There literally haven't been fball talked in 20+ pages
Quote from: JoG2 on May 11, 2023, 08:40:35 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 11, 2023, 08:22:48 PM
It can't happen. I could see there being protests and tbh I think there are real safety and security concerns here too more so for him. The GAA , and Derry, have a huge or problem here innocent or guilty wrt pr. This has to be dealt with before Sunday and it has taken long enough.
I can't really see a way for RG to be on the sideline on Sunday either. I won't discuss the details of the allegations as I don't know if they're true, false, partially true.... . The wains in the middle of this current shitstorm, and judging by the statements, historical trauma, God love them, brutal
On the game itself, whether it's the allegations, the shortage of tickets, Ulster Council giving the drunken louts the red carpet onto the Hill at the expense of the families with kids, prob a combination of the lot, mad to say it but atm I've no real appetite for the Ulster Final
I was looking forward to this game but tbh have no interest now. If something is not done I it could get very toxic.
As above, there's awful lot of posting hinting at guilt from lack of evidence to prosecute, meaning he not necessarily not Guilty. From now on the Court of Facebook public opinion will determine someone guilt, not a court of law, Tuh, Tuh, Not a wonder Trump walked in on America a few years back.
The Carlows School teachers case, many of the main instigators of that not only refused to apologise when the lies were exposed, some are probably back on twitter doing the same here.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 09:49:22 PM
Am waiting for part 2 when she explains why the children are with him. Is she originally from Donegal, as I am wondering if I am confusing who RG married. There literally haven't been fball talked in 20+ pages
Apparently she was on about doing her A-levels in a post on social media that the wife read out to me earlier. My wife wouldn't know Rory Gallagher unless he had long hair and a guitar but she seemed to know a lot about this issue earlier and alerted me to the controversy. That folks is how this is going to escalate and no matter the facts, this is not going away quietly.
Not related lad find it strange you would say that,This topic is Armagh v Derry Ulster Final 14 May 2024 4pm,discussion should be about tactics, analysis,game plans,match ups,score predictions all that crack but Antrim Tyrone Armagh men are more interested in law Prosecutions,police investigations,social media hysteria,not the game itself.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 09:49:22 PM
Am waiting for part 2 when she explains why the children are with him. Is she originally from Donegal, as I am wondering if I am confusing who RG married. There literally haven't been fball talked in 20+ pages
Why does she have to explain that. Pretty disgusting thing to say lad.
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 11, 2023, 09:57:36 PM
Not related lad find it strange you would say that,This topic is Armagh v Derry Ulster Final 14 May 2024 4pm,discussion should be about tactics, analysis,game plans,match ups,score predictions all that crack but Antrim Tyrone Armagh men are more interested in law Prosecutions,police investigations,social media hysteria,not the game itself.
Has it been postponed a year
Will there be mobilisation of the ibelieveher crowd for clones? Or will they wait till he goes to work?
Its quite clear to me now that there is smoke with this fire.
1- PSNI sent a file to the DPP or whatever its called up there. That's not done unless they have evidence and believe they can get a prosecution. The DPP though obviously thought there wasn't sufficient evidence to get a prosecution
2- The above explains why in Gallaghers statement he does not deny the accusations she made.
This is no random unfounded nonsense like we see on Facebook all the time. There is substance to this.
How Derry GAA can let this guy on the line on Sunday is beyond me. This is bigger than a football match
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 09:48:38 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2023, 09:35:53 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 11, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
Scary to think a woman need only make a Facebook post now and the man is deemed guilty by all and sundry and public enemy number 1.Who needs a legal system or evidence. Mob justice social media style.
What if hes actually innocent and all the bile and hatred against him the past day is unjustified. Nobody remember the Carlow school teachers furore that turned out to be bullshit and journalists got caught big time in that.
F**king stop this sh!te. Nobody is saying he's definitely guilty. This has been pointed out to you multiple times but you're either too thick to understand or want to build a straw man argument to try and shut down any discussion.
For someone who claims he doesn't think he's definitely guilty, you're getting very aggressive about it and have wanted him hung drawn and quartered throughout this thread.
All I'm saying is, there is a legal system, he is entitled to presumption of innocence, a fair trial. None of this is revolutionary stuff.The baying mob doesn't accept the legal system or anything that disagrees with them.
Show me where I asked for him to be hung drawn and quartered? I said he should have stood aside. Still think that. Another straw man argument. I'm beginning to think you're just a wum account.
Quote from: Chimley on May 11, 2023, 09:56:49 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 09:49:22 PM
Am waiting for part 2 when she explains why the children are with him. Is she originally from Donegal, as I am wondering if I am confusing who RG married. There literally haven't been fball talked in 20+ pages
Apparently she was on about doing her A-levels in a post on social media that the wife read out to me earlier. My wife wouldn't know Rory Gallagher unless he had long hair and a guitar but she seemed to know a lot about this issue earlier and alerted me to the controversy. That folks is how this is going to escalate and no matter the facts, this is not going away quietly.
She went to Mount Lourdes in Enniskillen and think she was from Enniskillen or there abouts.
Guilty in the eyes of the law is one thing, and he obviously is an innocent man in that regard. Guilty in the court of moral judgement is something completely different. Irrespective if the accuser has drink issues, irrespective the fact that he has custody of the kids, if he lifted his hand to her once, never mind allegedly drag her up the main street in Enniscrone, allegedly bite her in the face, allegedly beat her up in Clones ... even if he only lifted his hand to her once, he should not have the moral standing to manage any team, never mind a county team. Will be shocked if he's in Clones on Sunday.
Now for the game, no idea what impact all of this is having in the Derry camp, but it can't be having a positive impact in any shape or form, no siege mentality to be gained from this one. It is definitely overshadowing the game, the past 30 odd pages of this thread has been pretty much consumed by it. 4pm throw in on Sunday can't come soon enough. Still a 50/50 game, but if Armagh show up and play to their potential I only see one winner .. 'if'.
When's the last game Armagh played to their potential, they been poor all league, beat few teams at the bottom end of Division 1.I still think alot of Armagh confidence based on the way they played against Galway last year. I actually think Armagh went bck since that. Derry will force the kickout which Rafferty not good at, and I Think Derry way stronger in Midfield. Unless Armagh score couple of goals of high balls I got Derry by 5.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 10:56:18 PM
When's the last game Armagh played to their potential, they been poor all league, beat few teams at the bottom end of Division 1.I still think alot of Armagh confidence based on the way they played against Galway last year. I actually Armagh went bck since that. Derry will force the kickout which Rafferty not good at, and I Think Derry way stronger in Midfield. Unless Armagh score couple of goals of high balls I got Derry by 5.
I'd agree.
In normal circumstances I'd say derry by 5.
No idea how the team will react to this week, I hope they can rise above it all and perform as they should, but this is unprecedented.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2023, 10:56:18 PM
When's the last game Armagh played to their potential, they been poor all league, beat few teams at the bottom end of Division 1.I still think alot of Armagh confidence based on the way they played against Galway last year. I actually Armagh went bck since that. Derry will force the kickout which Rafferty not good at, and I Think Derry way stronger in Midfield. Unless Armagh score couple of goals of high balls I got Derry by 5.
Armagh can match them at midfield for sure. Think Armagh the bigger side but Derry have their game plan down to a fine art. If Armagh can track runners and hit it long they have a great chance.
You'd be confident Derry will show up and play but Armagh not sure which side will turn up. Derry can be got it if brave and switched on enough to do so.
Match them at Midfield, not a chance.
Lavey Camogs all handed back their Ulster Final tickets in protest with Gallagher continuing as Derry manager.
was actually thinking derry might be good shout for all ireland
Nope, short a few forwards, maybe a defender, plus about 3 coming off the bench.
Armagh this year against three of the so called All Ireland contenders
- Drew with Mayo
- lost to Kerry by 1 point, held them to 0-12 and David Clifford,Sean O'Shea scoreless from play.
- lost to Galway by 2 points, 1-8 conceded and the goal a bit of giveaway late on.
Would Derry have fared much better against those three this year?
As I was asked I will clarify a few matters. To be clear I am talking generally and not about this case.
1. If PSNI receive a criminal complaint they are obligated to investigate all reasonable lines of enquiry leading to and away from an accused.
2. Having investigated they can either charge a matter to court or report a matter. In both scenarios they are obligated to submit a file to the PPS with a recommendation either to prosecute or not to prosecute. Regardless of whether there is a recommendation to prosecute or not all decisions on whether to bring or continue proceedings are made by the PPS.
3. The PPS discharge their function by applying a two stage test. If either stage is failed there will be no prosecution. The first stage is the evidential test where the PPS must decide if the admissible available is such that there is a reasonable prospect of conviction. If not a no prosecution decision will enter. The second stage is is it in the public interest to bring a prosecution. This stage is usually met if the first stage is met because it is in the public interest to prosecute people for crimes save in limited circumstances.
4. The PPS are limited to offences that were in force at the time of the alleged offending. Some of these offences for example common assault have strict time limits (six months) and others require medical evidence or other forms of corroboration.
5. Domestic violence law was radically overhauled in February 2022 in response to complaints about its ineffectiveness. The overhaul can not be retrospective.
6. It is impossible and unfair to draw any inference from a decision not to prosecute on the basis the insufficient evidence. That includes inferences about either the complainant or the defendant.
7. Any accused remains innocent until proven guilty.
8. Any accused has a right to silence and can not be sacked for exercising that right. Whether an employee can be suspended pending investigation will depend on a myriad of factors as I mentioned early.
9. Save for the result it is inappropriate to discuss anything about a family case including the reasoning for a decision or the views on any person or body corporate involved.
Hope that clarifies anything needing clarified
This story has oxygen. Second article in the Irish Times which was the most popular online on Thursday night. There was nothing on Wednesday
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/05/11/domestic-abuse-allegations-against-derry-manager-rory-gallagher-were-investigated-by-psni/
The story is of interest both to GAA fans and women so it has quite a reach.
The pieces don't even have to have much fresh content or differ much from what the competitor are saying .
And because it's a developing story people will come back for more.
From the newspaper point of view it's great clickbait.
I can see an interview with Mrs Gallagher as a Saturday feature.
You have to assume that Armaghs game plan is to kick the ball in. Its no secret that Derry has struggled with that all year, most obviously against dublin in the league final.
Reckon Armagh try a few of these early to feel out the Derry defence.
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 12, 2023, 08:17:04 AM
You have to assume that Armaghs game plan is to kick the ball in. Its no secret that Derry has struggled with that all year, most obviously against dublin in the league final.
Reckon Armagh try a few of these early to feel out the Derry defence.
Armagh keeping a man or 2 in and that treat of the long pass keeps the Derry keeper out of the play too or at least limits it
You would imagine that Armagh should be focusing on
1. High balls in
2. Sledging
The nuclear option would be shirt sponsorship by #Ibelieveher
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
Derry were in trouble every time the ball was kicked in to Con (granted that's Con)
Quote from: larryin89 on May 12, 2023, 08:52:48 AM
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 12, 2023, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
Derry were in trouble every time the ball was kicked in to Con (granted that's Con)
Distasteful comment and no need
Sorry i might have overstepped there. My sincere apologies to you and anyone else offended by what I wrote
I meant to quote that Galway buck seafoid
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 12, 2023, 08:33:59 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
Derry were in trouble every time the ball was kicked in to Con (granted that's Con)
1 x square ball goal from high balls in 78 mins of football with the height they have in midfield, and forwards like Rock, Mannion, O'Callaghan isn't a great return though
Quote from: balladmaker on May 11, 2023, 10:33:57 PM
Guilty in the eyes of the law is one thing, and he obviously is an innocent man in that regard. Guilty in the court of moral judgement is something completely different. Irrespective if the accuser has drink issues, irrespective the fact that he has custody of the kids, if he lifted his hand to her once, never mind allegedly drag her up the main street in Enniscrone, allegedly bite her in the face, allegedly beat her up in Clones ... even if he only lifted his hand to her once, he should not have the moral standing to manage any team, never mind a county team. Will be shocked if he's in Clones on Sunday.
Now for the game, no idea what impact all of this is having in the Derry camp, but it can't be having a positive impact in any shape or form, no siege mentality to be gained from this one. It is definitely overshadowing the game, the past 30 odd pages of this thread has been pretty much consumed by it. 4pm throw in on Sunday can't come soon enough. Still a 50/50 game, but if Armagh show up and play to their potential I only see one winner .. 'if'.
This pretty much sums it up. I'd be surprised not to hear a lot more from women's groups over the weekend.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 12, 2023, 12:42:48 AM
Armagh this year against three of the so called All Ireland contenders
- Drew with Mayo
- lost to Kerry by 1 point, held them to 0-12 and David Clifford,Sean O'Shea scoreless from play.
- lost to Galway by 2 points, 1-8 conceded and the goal a bit of giveaway late on.
Would Derry have fared much better against those three this year?
Beat Mayo but for an incorrect umpire call too if I remember rightly. Will caveat the Kerry game with the fact that Clifford and O'Shea were only back and we were horribly defensive in that game and the Galway game. In both though our own mistakes killed us and we could on another day have beaten both.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
No matter how good a defender/goalkeeper is, no one likes dealing with a high ball as it can go absolutely anywhere and it only takes one to go in to change a game. Derry have a perceived weakeness there and even if it isn't true they'll be tested on Sunday, because with Murnin and Rian it is one thing we are good at
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:33:51 AM
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
Still going to be a game of football played no matter what and it's obviously overshadowed by whats came to light this week. Think the allegation has been discussed to death on here so theres not much more to say and not much we can do only wait and see how it unfolds.
Game itself should be a cracker and is well worth analysing.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2023, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
No matter how good a defender/goalkeeper is, no one likes dealing with a high ball as it can go absolutely anywhere and it only takes one to go in to change a game. Derry have a perceived weakeness there and even if it isn't true they'll be tested on Sunday, because with Murnin and Rian it is one thing we are good at
The flip side of that is the percentages. You will loss a lot of attacks by thumping a high ball in and turn possession over. If Derry continue to break at speed and take the % shots they'll start to creep ahead unless Armagh manage to get that goal or two.
Can't see Armagh doing it as a tactic, but may throw one or two in to test the water. Just think Derry will be more ruthless and economical in their possession so fancy a 3-4 point victory. Armagh to spend the last 5 mins pumping balls in to try and overturn a 3 point mdeficit. Derry to manage it better than they previously have and will hold out.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2023, 09:37:10 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:33:51 AM
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
Still going to be a game of football played no matter what and it's obviously overshadowed by whats came to light this week. Think the allegation has been discussed to death on here so theres not much more to say and not much we can do only wait and see how it unfolds.
Game itself should be a cracker and is well worth analysing.
When preparations go out the window as spectacularly as they have done here, then meaningful analysis goes entirely out the window with it.
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:33:51 AM
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
It's not this though. Nobody is gossiping away. It's the follow on perception and impact on the GAA that people are discussing with respect to individuals within the Derry set-up that is being discussed.
This of course does not mean that people hold individual views or opinions around it.
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:33:51 AM
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
It's not this though. Nobody is gossiping away. It's the follow on perception and impact on the GAA that people are discussing with respect to individuals within the Derry set-up that is being discussed.
This of course does not mean that people hold individual views or opinions around it.
Of course they can hold views. Just saying that the feeding frenzy is a bit much. And I certainly don't agree that the discussion has revolved around the impact upon the GAA. As far as I can see, that's an angle that barely anyone has mentioned at all!!
Armagh team
Rafferty
O'Neill
McKay
Forker
Mackin
McCabe
Burns
Crealey
McPartlan
Duffy
Soupy
Grugan
Murnin
Rian
Turbitt
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2023, 09:29:43 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:21:21 AM
Dublin got 1 goal from the high ball, which was a plain as day square ball as the lad had came from behind the keeper, and he was near on the line, when he started to move out.
No matter how good a defender/goalkeeper is, no one likes dealing with a high ball as it can go absolutely anywhere and it only takes one to go in to change a game. Derry have a perceived weakeness there and even if it isn't true they'll be tested on Sunday, because with Murnin and Rian it is one thing we are good at
Agreed.
I wouldn't read much into the Dublin game, we were without Glass for much of it and Mckaigue for all of it and they both make a huge difference to Derry defensively. And not every team have players like Dublin.
The manner of the goals against Fermanagh and Monaghan are more concerning, conceded in games we were in total control of. If I was Armagh, I'd be looking at those.
Armagh had a disappointing League in division 1 and were unlucky to be relegated. They should go straight back up.
Derry cruised through division 2 but Dublin filleted them in the D2 final.
I don't think Armagh have much strength in depth . Is it similar with Derry ?
If Armagh are let play they probably have more scoring options.
Derry are still short of a few key players so are they good enough to do 2 in a row ?
I can't see how anyone can talk with a degree of certainty about this one. In the lead up to a game we love to give our predictions on scores, winning margins, how games will pan out. Truth is we don't really know how any game is going to unfold at the best of times. But especially this game, given what's gone on this week. A lot of supporters here seem to be pretty certain and if you're one them, good luck to you, wish i had your self belief! But go and put a load of dosh on it and make yourselves a few quid!
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:33:51 AM
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
It's not this though. Nobody is gossiping away. It's the follow on perception and impact on the GAA that people are discussing with respect to individuals within the Derry set-up that is being discussed.
This of course does not mean that people hold individual views or opinions around it.
Of course they can hold views. Just saying that the feeding frenzy is a bit much. And I certainly don't agree that the discussion has revolved around the impact upon the GAA. As far as I can see, that's an angle that barely anyone has mentioned at all!!
Why do you think so many people were saying Gallagher should stand down or be stood down? It's not because people have decided he's guilty, it's because, through whatever fault, it has now become a massive issue for the GAA that cannot be ignored, be that the impact on the team and the championship or the moral/ethical side of someone under such a cloud being involved.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 09:56:55 AM
Armagh had a disappointing League in division 1 and were unlucky to be relegated. They should go straight back up.
Derry cruised through division 2 but Dublin filleted them in the D2 final.
I don't think Armagh have much strength in depth . Is it similar with Derry ?
If Armagh are let play they probably have more scoring options.
Derry are still short of a few key players so are they good enough to do 2 in a row ?
Would disagree on that front. Good competition for places this year. Some great scoring options to come off the bench.
Yeah how do they talk about tactics this week...
Anyway to SF's point - Armagh have good depth in forwards but probably not elsewhere. Derry maybe lack a bit of depth but don't seem to have injuries. I would have Derry as a good bit stronger in defense and midfield but McGuigan / Ethan Doherty aside they don't pose the same threat in the forward line. That might even it out a bit.
I honestly think Derry are a better team - possibly a good bit - however a lot of their strengths is their tactics and homework on opposition etc and I am not sure this week they will have been able to do that.
Though on the flip side I think Derry fans downplay the Dublin game. Dublin ripped you apart and some try and play the 4 goals as fortuitous but it could have been about 8. If you have learned from it you'll be fine but the big question is have you. It will be very interesting to see how or if Armagh exploit this.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 09:56:55 AM
Armagh had a disappointing League in division 1 and were unlucky to be relegated. They should go straight back up.
Derry cruised through division 2 but Dublin filleted them in the D2 final.
I don't think Armagh have much strength in depth . Is it similar with Derry ?
If Armagh are let play they probably have more scoring options.
Derry are still short of a few key players so are they good enough to do 2 in a row ?
Few injuries to players at the minute but still have the likes of Morgan and McCambridge on the bench as defenders and Ross McQuillan, Aidan Nugent and Callum Cumiskey as forwards who are all capable of coming on and getting scores. Cian McConville (nephew of Oisin) on the bench as well who has probably been the best forward at club level in the county for a few years not but just hasn't made the step up to county level really yet.
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:51:18 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 12, 2023, 09:43:48 AM
Quote from: Snapchap on May 12, 2023, 09:33:51 AM
Quick scan through the last few pages and it's clear this thread is just madness. Seems split into two groups of posters:
Group 1: Posters obsessed with gossiping about a domestic abuse allegation.
Group 2: Posters stubbornly trying to insist on analysing the game, seemingly determined to pretend that it's not a game which, considering the impact the scandal will have on Derry's preparations, makes absolutely any attempt at analysing it just look redundant/plain silly.
Not sure which group is annoying me more to be honest! :-[
It's not this though. Nobody is gossiping away. It's the follow on perception and impact on the GAA that people are discussing with respect to individuals within the Derry set-up that is being discussed.
This of course does not mean that people hold individual views or opinions around it.
Of course they can hold views. Just saying that the feeding frenzy is a bit much. And I certainly don't agree that the discussion has revolved around the impact upon the GAA. As far as I can see, that's an angle that barely anyone has mentioned at all!!
Why do you think so many people were saying Gallagher should stand down or be stood down? It's not because people have decided he's guilty, it's because, through whatever fault, it has now become a massive issue for the GAA that cannot be ignored, be that the impact on the team and the championship or the moral/ethical side of someone under such a cloud being involved.
Because they want to see him punished personally? Maybe its all a matter of interpretation but as far as I can see, the main subject matters of the last 20 or more pages hasn't been the impact of his actions on the wider GAA, but rather his alleged actions, whether he or she should be believed, legal procedures, the ins and outs of trial by social media, what Gallagher's statement did/didn't say, whether or not he will face personal consequences etc etc
OTB on Armagh and Derry from March https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1530s
No major shocks on Armagh team, same team v Down bar Campbell in for Hall.
Duffy Campbell Grugan
Murnin O'Neill Turbitt
Has to be one of the best forward lines in the country?
Strength on bench too with Morgan & McCambridge, 2 animals.
OTB today on the Ulster Final with Conleith Gilligan and Joe Kernan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liXGPamg0QU&t=3060s
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
What way did ticket situation work out? More become available and everyone get one in the end?
Quote from: Louther on May 12, 2023, 10:49:25 AM
What way did ticket situation work out? More become available and everyone get one in the end?
Nope still plenty on social media giving out.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 10:20:35 AM
No major shocks on Armagh team, same team v Down bar Campbell in for Hall.
Duffy Campbell Grugan
Murnin O'Neill Turbitt
Has to be one of the best forward lines in the country?
Strength on bench too with Morgan & McCambridge, 2 animals.
In fairness those are 6 top quality forwards.
Quote from: lenny on May 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 10:20:35 AM
No major shocks on Armagh team, same team v Down bar Campbell in for Hall.
Duffy Campbell Grugan
Murnin O'Neill Turbitt
Has to be one of the best forward lines in the country?
Strength on bench too with Morgan & McCambridge, 2 animals.
In fairness those are 6 top quality forwards.
6 very good forwards, Duffy doesn't get the credit he deserves at times imo, does serious work and is key.
From an outsider looking in, it seems as though RG micromanages everything in the Derry setup. I think this because of his constant roaring of instructions during a game. He also seems to be protective of his players, again just my perception from interviews and other actions before, during and after games.
If he is absent from the sideline, will the players miss the verbal instructions? Will somebody else provide the instructions? I think the team has enough leaders to execute a gameplan and adapt if necessary without input from the sideline. Also it has been noted that Derry's bench isn't as strong as other contenders. I don't think RG presence or absence would make much of a difference in terms of impact or timing of team selection or substitutes.
McFaul, Heron, Murray, McWilliams, S Downey all decent options off the bench. The likes of McNeill could slot into defense without much hassle too. I think we've a bit more depth than last year and isn't as bad as made out.
**I'll start with saying that Gallagher should be stepped down for Sunday's game and beyond. And I am still hoping this happens. If he'd any gumption he would've done it himself, but everyone in Derry from the sponsors, to the players and the supporters should be making it clear to the county board that being associated with Gallagher completely tarnishes anything they achieve now and in the future with him at the helm. If (Big If at the minute) Derry win on Sunday, Would anyone in the country be happy seeing Gallagher celebrate with the Anglo-Celt?**
It also looks like Derry are maintaining their radio silence as well. No official team announcement on their socials yet. Gaelic Life announced that it would be the same team as the Monaghan game.
As for the actual game on Sunday, I think that Armagh will push up on Derry's kick outs and try to make life as miserable as possible for Lynch. Same as they did for Patton last year in Clones. They'd either try to force Lynch into making mistakes, or as has happened in previous games, delay him for long enough for the ref to call it. Its not like Armagh don't have big men around the middle of the pitch to cope with the ball being pinged out there. This is why I think McFaul will start, though he isn't named in the starting 15, to give Derry another option around the middle.
Similarly I think that Derry will try to do the same on the Armagh kick out, and force Rafferty into mistakes, but this could be the game where Lynch gets caught further out the field on the opposition kick out. It almost happened against Fermanagh and Monaghan. And better teams like Armagh will punish that.
Derry will also be severely tested under the high ball, but Armagh need to have something else worked out too. Can't be doing that for 70mins+. Against Dublin the high ball was a square ball, and the 3 they conceded from "high balls" in the first two rounds were bad shots that happened to drop short. I'd say Donaghy has something else worked out for the forwards to be at.
Armagh will be a completely different animal to what Derry have faced so far, Fermanagh were missing Quigley, Monaghan had too many 30+s in the team. Armagh are approaching this with a clean bill of health (at the minute) and a hunger to win an Ulster Title. Plus the fitness levels and the subs off the bench, will be different to anything Derry faced in the league and championship so far, aside from the Dubs. And given what has happened this week, this tips the balance, ever so slightly, in favour of Armagh.
Armagh won't have been distracted one bit by the news this week, could even give them a bit more focus. But Derry's final week prep will have been tossed out the window. Derry players will be fielding questions from friends and family and work colleagues all week about non-football stuff, so it'll be hard to know where their heads are at. As well as that, the officials could definitely form part of the storyline on Sunday as well. Gallagher (if he is on the sideline) has been spoken to by the officials a few times this year. How will they react to his normal match day behaviour? Will they clamp down on his antics more than other officials have done previously?
On Monday I'd have said Derry -4, and been fairly positive about the result.
Now, not so much. I'd be happy just to get out of Clones with any sort of victory.
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If RG is determined to be on the line on Sunday will he do TV and Radio IVs? And if he is asked about this how will he respond?
If he refuses to do an IV what will that say?
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2023, 12:18:13 PM
If RG is determined to be on the line on Sunday will he do TV and Radio IVs? And if he is asked about this how will he respond?
If he refuses to do an IV what will that say?
Clearly he'll say he doesn't want to comment on it. Or he addressed it through his solicitors and has nothing more to add. Will match reporters even want to interview him.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
and if he is on the line I'm confident that Armagh supporters in the true spirit of the GAA will remain tight lipped and focus on the football
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on May 12, 2023, 12:33:06 PM
and if he is on the line I'm confident that Armagh supporters in the true spirit of the GAA will remain tight lipped and focus on the football
Would say they will but if Gallagher roars into crowd as per usual I'm not so sure they will remain quiet.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on May 12, 2023, 12:33:06 PM
and if he is on the line I'm confident that Armagh supporters in the true spirit of the GAA will remain tight lipped and focus on the football
Of course, be no sledging off us ;). In normal circumstances if Armagh supporters were giving him bit of abuse you'd have Derry ones defending him but in this case i don't even see how they can. Derry ones be booing him as well I would say!
Quote from: NotedObserver on May 12, 2023, 12:40:20 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on May 12, 2023, 12:33:06 PM
and if he is on the line I'm confident that Armagh supporters in the true spirit of the GAA will remain tight lipped and focus on the football
Would say they will but if Gallagher roars into crowd as per usual I'm not so sure they will remain quiet.
Really hope none of our management tesm shake his hand, not that I would at the best of times with all that spitting!
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
Others might confirm this but I believe Dery did not train the week before and most went on holiday
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 12, 2023, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
Others might confirm this but I believe Dery did not train the week before and most went on holiday
Think it was the week before the Cork game that they took the week off/holidays etc.
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2023, 12:05:45 PM
**I'll start with saying that Gallagher should be stepped down for Sunday's game and beyond. And I am still hoping this happens. If he'd any gumption he would've done it himself, but everyone in Derry from the sponsors, to the players and the supporters should be making it clear to the county board that being associated with Gallagher completely tarnishes anything they achieve now and in the future with him at the helm. If (Big If at the minute) Derry win on Sunday, Would anyone in the country be happy seeing Gallagher celebrate with the Anglo-Celt?**
It also looks like Derry are maintaining their radio silence as well. No official team announcement on their socials yet. Gaelic Life announced that it would be the same team as the Monaghan game.
As for the actual game on Sunday, I think that Armagh will push up on Derry's kick outs and try to make life as miserable as possible for Lynch. Same as they did for Patton last year in Clones. They'd either try to force Lynch into making mistakes, or as has happened in previous games, delay him for long enough for the ref to call it. Its not like Armagh don't have big men around the middle of the pitch to cope with the ball being pinged out there. This is why I think McFaul will start, though he isn't named in the starting 15, to give Derry another option around the middle.
Similarly I think that Derry will try to do the same on the Armagh kick out, and force Rafferty into mistakes, but this could be the game where Lynch gets caught further out the field on the opposition kick out. It almost happened against Fermanagh and Monaghan. And better teams like Armagh will punish that.
Derry will also be severely tested under the high ball, but Armagh need to have something else worked out too. Can't be doing that for 70mins+. Against Dublin the high ball was a square ball, and the 3 they conceded from "high balls" in the first two rounds were bad shots that happened to drop short. I'd say Donaghy has something else worked out for the forwards to be at.
Armagh will be a completely different animal to what Derry have faced so far, Fermanagh were missing Quigley, Monaghan had too many 30+s in the team. Armagh are approaching this with a clean bill of health (at the minute) and a hunger to win an Ulster Title. Plus the fitness levels and the subs off the bench, will be different to anything Derry faced in the league and championship so far, aside from the Dubs. And given what has happened this week, this tips the balance, ever so slightly, in favour of Armagh.
Armagh won't have been distracted one bit by the news this week, could even give them a bit more focus. But Derry's final week prep will have been tossed out the window. Derry players will be fielding questions from friends and family and work colleagues all week about non-football stuff, so it'll be hard to know where their heads are at. As well as that, the officials could definitely form part of the storyline on Sunday as well. Gallagher (if he is on the sideline) has been spoken to by the officials a few times this year. How will they react to his normal match day behaviour? Will they clamp down on his antics more than other officials have done previously?
On Monday I'd have said Derry -4, and been fairly positive about the result.
Now, not so much. I'd be happy just to get out of Clones with any sort of victory.
Great post.
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
They should have had about 4 more though.
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2023, 12:05:45 PM
**I'll start with saying that Gallagher should be stepped down for Sunday's game and beyond. And I am still hoping this happens. If he'd any gumption he would've done it himself, but everyone in Derry from the sponsors, to the players and the supporters should be making it clear to the county board that being associated with Gallagher completely tarnishes anything they achieve now and in the future with him at the helm. If (Big If at the minute) Derry win on Sunday, Would anyone in the country be happy seeing Gallagher celebrate with the Anglo-Celt?**
It also looks like Derry are maintaining their radio silence as well. No official team announcement on their socials yet. Gaelic Life announced that it would be the same team as the Monaghan game.
As for the actual game on Sunday, I think that Armagh will push up on Derry's kick outs and try to make life as miserable as possible for Lynch. Same as they did for Patton last year in Clones. They'd either try to force Lynch into making mistakes, or as has happened in previous games, delay him for long enough for the ref to call it. Its not like Armagh don't have big men around the middle of the pitch to cope with the ball being pinged out there. This is why I think McFaul will start, though he isn't named in the starting 15, to give Derry another option around the middle.
Similarly I think that Derry will try to do the same on the Armagh kick out, and force Rafferty into mistakes, but this could be the game where Lynch gets caught further out the field on the opposition kick out. It almost happened against Fermanagh and Monaghan. And better teams like Armagh will punish that.
Derry will also be severely tested under the high ball, but Armagh need to have something else worked out too. Can't be doing that for 70mins+. Against Dublin the high ball was a square ball, and the 3 they conceded from "high balls" in the first two rounds were bad shots that happened to drop short. I'd say Donaghy has something else worked out for the forwards to be at.
Armagh will be a completely different animal to what Derry have faced so far, Fermanagh were missing Quigley, Monaghan had too many 30+s in the team. Armagh are approaching this with a clean bill of health (at the minute) and a hunger to win an Ulster Title. Plus the fitness levels and the subs off the bench, will be different to anything Derry faced in the league and championship so far, aside from the Dubs. And given what has happened this week, this tips the balance, ever so slightly, in favour of Armagh.
Armagh won't have been distracted one bit by the news this week, could even give them a bit more focus. But Derry's final week prep will have been tossed out the window. Derry players will be fielding questions from friends and family and work colleagues all week about non-football stuff, so it'll be hard to know where their heads are at. As well as that, the officials could definitely form part of the storyline on Sunday as well. Gallagher (if he is on the sideline) has been spoken to by the officials a few times this year. How will they react to his normal match day behaviour? Will they clamp down on his antics more than other officials have done previously?
On Monday I'd have said Derry -4, and been fairly positive about the result.
Now, not so much. I'd be happy just to get out of Clones with any sort of victory.
Great post.
+1
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2023, 12:52:18 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 12, 2023, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
Others might confirm this but I believe Dery did not train the week before and most went on holiday
Think it was the week before the Cork game that they took the week off/holidays etc.
Thanks.
Derry are in a bad place. They have no good out come from this that I can see.
I am very hopeful that Gallagher will not be present on Sunday. And if the Derry lads can put in a performance, it will speak much of their Character.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 12, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2023, 12:05:45 PM
**I'll start with saying that Gallagher should be stepped down for Sunday's game and beyond. And I am still hoping this happens. If he'd any gumption he would've done it himself, but everyone in Derry from the sponsors, to the players and the supporters should be making it clear to the county board that being associated with Gallagher completely tarnishes anything they achieve now and in the future with him at the helm. If (Big If at the minute) Derry win on Sunday, Would anyone in the country be happy seeing Gallagher celebrate with the Anglo-Celt?**
It also looks like Derry are maintaining their radio silence as well. No official team announcement on their socials yet. Gaelic Life announced that it would be the same team as the Monaghan game.
As for the actual game on Sunday, I think that Armagh will push up on Derry's kick outs and try to make life as miserable as possible for Lynch. Same as they did for Patton last year in Clones. They'd either try to force Lynch into making mistakes, or as has happened in previous games, delay him for long enough for the ref to call it. Its not like Armagh don't have big men around the middle of the pitch to cope with the ball being pinged out there. This is why I think McFaul will start, though he isn't named in the starting 15, to give Derry another option around the middle.
Similarly I think that Derry will try to do the same on the Armagh kick out, and force Rafferty into mistakes, but this could be the game where Lynch gets caught further out the field on the opposition kick out. It almost happened against Fermanagh and Monaghan. And better teams like Armagh will punish that.
Derry will also be severely tested under the high ball, but Armagh need to have something else worked out too. Can't be doing that for 70mins+. Against Dublin the high ball was a square ball, and the 3 they conceded from "high balls" in the first two rounds were bad shots that happened to drop short. I'd say Donaghy has something else worked out for the forwards to be at.
Armagh will be a completely different animal to what Derry have faced so far, Fermanagh were missing Quigley, Monaghan had too many 30+s in the team. Armagh are approaching this with a clean bill of health (at the minute) and a hunger to win an Ulster Title. Plus the fitness levels and the subs off the bench, will be different to anything Derry faced in the league and championship so far, aside from the Dubs. And given what has happened this week, this tips the balance, ever so slightly, in favour of Armagh.
Armagh won't have been distracted one bit by the news this week, could even give them a bit more focus. But Derry's final week prep will have been tossed out the window. Derry players will be fielding questions from friends and family and work colleagues all week about non-football stuff, so it'll be hard to know where their heads are at. As well as that, the officials could definitely form part of the storyline on Sunday as well. Gallagher (if he is on the sideline) has been spoken to by the officials a few times this year. How will they react to his normal match day behaviour? Will they clamp down on his antics more than other officials have done previously?
On Monday I'd have said Derry -4, and been fairly positive about the result.
Now, not so much. I'd be happy just to get out of Clones with any sort of victory.
Great post.
+1
Absolutely
Post of the thread.
Find it mad to even consider that Gallagher will be there on Sunday. Surprised he, or someone else for him, hasnt decided to step aside at least for now.
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
The Dubs waltzed through the backs all afternoon. That would worry me if I was a Derry fan
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
Armagh men, what level of abuse will be fired at RG's way? IMO he deserves every last ounce of it.
If he does come out onto the line, I hope there's an almighty boo, with a few choice words thrown in there.
Hopefully Gough has his wits about him and puts him in his place, his carry-on along the line is way out of line.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
The Dubs waltzed through the backs all afternoon. That would worry me if I was a Derry fan
People's memories must be completely warped about that National League final... Derry were 6-4 up at HT and played really well before Glass went off!
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 01:37:56 PM
Armagh men, what level of abuse will be fired at RG's way? IMO he deserves every last ounce of it.
If he does come out onto the line, I hope there's an almighty boo, with a few choice words thrown in there.
Hopefully Gough has his wits about him and puts him in his place, his carry-on along the line is way out of line.
He'll get some touch, there will be plenty of beer buses heading for Clones on a sunny Ulster final day, no doubt in that.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 12, 2023, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 01:37:56 PM
Armagh men, what level of abuse will be fired at RG's way? IMO he deserves every last ounce of it.
If he does come out onto the line, I hope there's an almighty boo, with a few choice words thrown in there.
Hopefully Gough has his wits about him and puts him in his place, his carry-on along the line is way out of line.
He'll get some touch, there will be plenty of beer buses heading for Clones on a sunny Ulster final day, no doubt in that.
It will reflect badly on Derry and all of us in the GAA in general if he is allowed on to carry on. What message does that send out to women and young girls?
Derry are in a awful position but they have handled it terribly as well. Ignoring it and hoping it goes away is a stupid tactic.
Remember Paul Gasgoine used to get dog's abuse from the Celtic fans with the he beats his wife chant / song.
Quote from: ClubScene13 on May 12, 2023, 01:50:57 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 01:37:56 PM
Armagh men, what level of abuse will be fired at RG's way? IMO he deserves every last ounce of it.
If he does come out onto the line, I hope there's an almighty boo, with a few choice words thrown in there.
Hopefully Gough has his wits about him and puts him in his place, his carry-on along the line is way out of line.
He'll get some touch, there will be plenty of beer buses heading for Clones on a sunny Ulster final day, no doubt in that.
His only saving grace is most of those will be on the hill so a fair bit away.
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
Yeah im absolutely amazed they didnt do this. Its a tricky spot, unprecedented in GAA circles, but it clearly both the right thing to do, and the most straight forward way of handling the scenario. They are now actually self combusting as many supporters dont want him on the line, whereas others attitudes have hardened and are defending him.
For Derry the problems mount on Sunday, and the obstacles keep coming thereafter.
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
They do have control, if they make the decision for him. They've seemingly decided to wing it. Poor form.
Quote from: God14 on May 12, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
Yeah im absolutely amazed they didnt do this. Its a tricky spot, unprecedented in GAA circles, but it clearly both the right thing to do, and the most straight forward way of handling the scenario. They are now actually self combusting as many supporters dont want him on the line, whereas others attitudes have hardened and are defending him.
For Derry the problems mount on Sunday, and the obstacles keep coming thereafter.
It is a case study in how not to handle this. Over the weekend I would fully expect things to intensify.
Derry by 5, Armagh had an easy route to the final, two poor teams
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
Usually people step aside following an arrest and pending the outcome of an investigation. There has been an investigation already carried out here and he wasn't charged, so how long does he step aside for?
Gallagher is a volunteer on paper who gets "expenses". They can cut him loose at any time. He has no working contract.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2023, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 12, 2023, 02:05:34 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
Yeah im absolutely amazed they didnt do this. Its a tricky spot, unprecedented in GAA circles, but it clearly both the right thing to do, and the most straight forward way of handling the scenario. They are now actually self combusting as many supporters dont want him on the line, whereas others attitudes have hardened and are defending him.
For Derry the problems mount on Sunday, and the obstacles keep coming thereafter.
It is a case study in how not to handle this. Over the weekend I would fully expect things to intensify.
It's a PR disaster for the Derry CB.
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
Gallagher is a volunteer on paper who gets "expenses". They can cut him loose at any time. He has no working contract.
I wouldn't like to be a county board and have to test that.
Quote from: screenexile on May 12, 2023, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 10:28:50 AM
D2 final Derry vs Dubs and the 4 goals
https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1642538411557900292
A square ball, a soft penalty and a point effort that went in top corner against a weakened Derry team - Dubs had a lot of luck with those goals. I wouldn't read too much into it as the Job was done before the game.
The Dubs waltzed through the backs all afternoon. That would worry me if I was a Derry fan
People's memories must be completely warped about that National League final... Derry were 6-4 up at HT and played really well before Glass went off!
The game has 2 halves. Derry obviously don't have anyone to replace Glass. There is a hole in the bucket !
McCloskey - who's a fantastic player btw - got absolutely cleaned out by O'Callaghan and Dublin targeted him. He wasn't getting any cover. Few things are Glass or McKaigue weren't there and you'll see few as good as O'Callaghan but Derry did get destroyed there and whether the goals had good fortune to them they had enough chances that if they were needed they would likely have found others.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 12, 2023, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
Gallagher is a volunteer on paper who gets "expenses". They can cut him loose at any time. He has no working contract.
I wouldn't like to be a county board and have to test that.
I wouldnt say it is a big thing at all, managers are "sacked" all the time and I don't recall there ever being an unfair dismissal case taken against the county board. I suppose unless Gallagher is employed as something else official in Derry which would change things for sure.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 12, 2023, 02:33:02 PM
McCloskey - who's a fantastic player btw - got absolutely cleaned out by O'Callaghan and Dublin targeted him. He wasn't getting any cover. Few things are Glass or McKaigue weren't there and you'll see few as good as O'Callaghan but Derry did get destroyed there and whether the goals had good fortune to them they had enough chances that if they were needed they would likely have found others.
A bit of an exaggeration, O'Callaghan didn't even score.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 12, 2023, 01:09:51 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 12:54:09 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 12, 2023, 12:05:45 PM
**I'll start with saying that Gallagher should be stepped down for Sunday's game and beyond. And I am still hoping this happens. If he'd any gumption he would've done it himself, but everyone in Derry from the sponsors, to the players and the supporters should be making it clear to the county board that being associated with Gallagher completely tarnishes anything they achieve now and in the future with him at the helm. If (Big If at the minute) Derry win on Sunday, Would anyone in the country be happy seeing Gallagher celebrate with the Anglo-Celt?**
It also looks like Derry are maintaining their radio silence as well. No official team announcement on their socials yet. Gaelic Life announced that it would be the same team as the Monaghan game.
As for the actual game on Sunday, I think that Armagh will push up on Derry's kick outs and try to make life as miserable as possible for Lynch. Same as they did for Patton last year in Clones. They'd either try to force Lynch into making mistakes, or as has happened in previous games, delay him for long enough for the ref to call it. Its not like Armagh don't have big men around the middle of the pitch to cope with the ball being pinged out there. This is why I think McFaul will start, though he isn't named in the starting 15, to give Derry another option around the middle.
Similarly I think that Derry will try to do the same on the Armagh kick out, and force Rafferty into mistakes, but this could be the game where Lynch gets caught further out the field on the opposition kick out. It almost happened against Fermanagh and Monaghan. And better teams like Armagh will punish that.
Derry will also be severely tested under the high ball, but Armagh need to have something else worked out too. Can't be doing that for 70mins+. Against Dublin the high ball was a square ball, and the 3 they conceded from "high balls" in the first two rounds were bad shots that happened to drop short. I'd say Donaghy has something else worked out for the forwards to be at.
Armagh will be a completely different animal to what Derry have faced so far, Fermanagh were missing Quigley, Monaghan had too many 30+s in the team. Armagh are approaching this with a clean bill of health (at the minute) and a hunger to win an Ulster Title. Plus the fitness levels and the subs off the bench, will be different to anything Derry faced in the league and championship so far, aside from the Dubs. And given what has happened this week, this tips the balance, ever so slightly, in favour of Armagh.
Armagh won't have been distracted one bit by the news this week, could even give them a bit more focus. But Derry's final week prep will have been tossed out the window. Derry players will be fielding questions from friends and family and work colleagues all week about non-football stuff, so it'll be hard to know where their heads are at. As well as that, the officials could definitely form part of the storyline on Sunday as well. Gallagher (if he is on the sideline) has been spoken to by the officials a few times this year. How will they react to his normal match day behaviour? Will they clamp down on his antics more than other officials have done previously?
On Monday I'd have said Derry -4, and been fairly positive about the result.
Now, not so much. I'd be happy just to get out of Clones with any sort of victory.
Great post.
+1
+2
Quote from: Mario on May 12, 2023, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
Usually people step aside following an arrest and pending the outcome of an investigation. There has been an investigation already carried out here and he wasn't charged, so how long does he step aside for?
Yes it's a judgement call as he isn't charged with anything. But you have to take into account the heat and spotlight that will be on him, the players, the CB and the GAA.
Quote from: general_lee on May 12, 2023, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
They do have control, if they make the decision for him. They've seemingly decided to wing it. Poor form.
Agreed. My point was that by not doing anything they do not have control over the situation and unless some of the heat is taken out it's just going to get worse.
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 02:49:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 12, 2023, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
They do have control, if they make the decision for him. They've seemingly decided to wing it. Poor form.
Agreed. My point was that by not doing anything they do not have control over the situation and unless some of the heat is taken out it's just going to get worse.
They might have decided to wait until Sunday and see how many protestors turn up. The situation is fluid
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 01:37:56 PM
Armagh men, what level of abuse will be fired at RG's way? IMO he deserves every last ounce of it.
If he does come out onto the line, I hope there's an almighty boo, with a few choice words thrown in there.
Hopefully Gough has his wits about him and puts him in his place, his carry-on along the line is way out of line.
Several different issues there.
I still think it hugely unlikely that he will be there on Sunday. If he is I'm not seeing the issue as being sledging between the teams or between Armagh players and RG. The issue or the potential for an issue is between RG and the crowd. Concerted booing might reach him but I doubt any individual taunt as the slightest chance of reaching his ears.
As for fans entering the fray surely that has to be a very remote possibility. The bigger risk is the inevitable final whistle invasion. Definite potential for that to get ugly.
Then there is the potential for a coordinated protest and one group have already been named. No clue what that will entail.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 02:49:20 PM
Quote from: general_lee on May 12, 2023, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2023, 01:31:10 PM
The problem the Derry county board have now is that they've no control of the situation and no control over what will happen over the coming days and weeks in terms of backlash and bad pr. They would be in a much stronger position if they pulled Rory Gallagher aside and said, listen it's best for you and us if you step aside for a while.
They do have control, if they make the decision for him. They've seemingly decided to wing it. Poor form.
Agreed. My point was that by not doing anything they do not have control over the situation and unless some of the heat is taken out it's just going to get worse.
They might have decided to wait until Sunday and see how many protestors turn up. The situation is fluid
I would say that is the most improbable thing I've read on a thread with a certain amount of speculation
You should have been an author smelmoth. You've a vivid imagination!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 12, 2023, 03:19:37 PM
You should have been an author smelmoth. You've a vivid imagination!
none of that seems unlikely or improbable at all
If he is on the sideline on Sunday then there is no way back for Derry CB.
Regardless of what happens after Sunday - even if he steps down - there is enough PR damage to hurt them for quite some time.
Seeing groups organising protests, female members of clubs handing tickets back etc shows the feeling of discontent among the public. And this will intensify all of next week if he is present Sunday.
The rights and wrongs of the case - presumption of innocence until proven guilty etc mean absolutely nothing now as this has spiraled due to the statements of RG/Derry CB and the revelation that prosecution wasnt proceeded with due to the PPS.
Its an incredibly messy situation that will run and run due to indecisive actions
Quote from: smelmoth on May 12, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 12, 2023, 01:37:56 PM
Armagh men, what level of abuse will be fired at RG's way? IMO he deserves every last ounce of it.
If he does come out onto the line, I hope there's an almighty boo, with a few choice words thrown in there.
Hopefully Gough has his wits about him and puts him in his place, his carry-on along the line is way out of line.
Several different issues there.
I still think it hugely unlikely that he will be there on Sunday. If he is I'm not seeing the issue as being sledging between the teams or between Armagh players and RG. The issue or the potential for an issue is between RG and the crowd. Concerted booing might reach him but I doubt any individual taunt as the slightest chance of reaching his ears.
As for fans entering the fray surely that has to be a very remote possibility. The bigger risk is the inevitable final whistle invasion. Definite potential for that to get ugly.
Then there is the potential for a coordinated protest and one group have already been named. No clue what that will entail.
Gallagher does plenty of mouthing at players in his different roles over the years so I have no doubt if he starts with any Armagh player on Sunday they will be bringing it up with him.
And agreed on after the match. I'd imagine he will be straight down the tunnel if he is there.
Finding it very difficult to have an interest in the game at all to be honest.
Don't want to bring up the Gallagher thing again but it is the elephant in the room.
Re game, think Hall not starting is significant.
If we push up on the kickout when he's playing I've seen teams isolate him 1 on 1 and ping kickouts to his man. His physical size puts him at an immediate disadvantage.
His exclusion leads me to think we will press more than might have been expected.
Tome will tell
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 12, 2023, 03:45:17 PM
Finding it very difficult to have an interest in the game at all to be honest.
Don't want to bring up the Gallagher thing again but it is the elephant in the room.
Re game, think Hall not starting is significant.
If we push up on the kickout when he's playing I've seen teams isolate him 1 on 1 and ping kickouts to his man. His physical size puts him at an immediate disadvantage.
His exclusion leads me to think we will press more than might have been expected.
Tome will tell
All makes sense. But he's not even on the bench, which would lead you to believe that he has picked up a knock.
The SDLP have now called for Gallagher to stand down on Sunday.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 12, 2023, 03:45:17 PM
Finding it very difficult to have an interest in the game at all to be honest.
Don't want to bring up the Gallagher thing again but it is the elephant in the room.
Re game, think Hall not starting is significant.
If we push up on the kickout when he's playing I've seen teams isolate him 1 on 1 and ping kickouts to his man. His physical size puts him at an immediate disadvantage.
His exclusion leads me to think we will press more than might have been expected.
Tome will tell
With you there.
Looks like it's all been said on this thread with a multitude of views on what should happen, there's no good outcome at this stage regardless of what happens next.
On the game, I just listened to the GAA Social, and the predictions are fairly much in line with my own. I feel Derry are a bit ahead of Armagh and should win it by a few. Oisin was funny, describe how good derry were then said he wasnt convinced - he was arguing with himself.
But totally unknown how the Derry preparation has been affected this week or how players will respond, so nothing would surprise me in terms of result.
Extra time and penalties? Do we have to have a winner on the day?
On a separate note, if you listen to nothing else, it would be worth listening to Eamon Burns' story about his battle with cancer on the GAA Social. Very personal and insightful.
From bbc news no...
BBC News NI requested a comment from the sponsors of Derry GAA, the construction company Errigal.
The company declined our request.
The All-Ireland Gaelic Players Association (GPA) also declined a request for a comment.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2023, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 12, 2023, 03:45:17 PM
Finding it very difficult to have an interest in the game at all to be honest.
Don't want to bring up the Gallagher thing again but it is the elephant in the room.
Re game, think Hall not starting is significant.
If we push up on the kickout when he's playing I've seen teams isolate him 1 on 1 and ping kickouts to his man. His physical size puts him at an immediate disadvantage.
His exclusion leads me to think we will press more than might have been expected.
Tome will tell
With you there.
Looks like it's all been said on this thread with a multitude of views on what should happen, there's no good outcome at this stage regardless of what happens next.
On the game, I just listened to the GAA Social, and the predictions are fairly much in line with my own. I feel Derry are a bit ahead of Armagh and should win it by a few. Oisin was funny, describe how good derry were then said he wasnt convinced - he was arguing with himself.
But totally unknown how the Derry preparation has been affected this week or how players will respond, so nothing would surprise me in terms of result.
Extra time and penalties? Do we have to have a winner on the day?
On a separate note, if you listen to nothing else, it would be worth listening to Eamon Burns' story about his battle with cancer on the GAA Social. Very personal and insightful.
Listened to that myself. Burns comes across as a real decent spud too.
I would feel the same on hard to be too interested in the game. No good outcome in the whole scenario.
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 12, 2023, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
Gallagher is a volunteer on paper who gets "expenses". They can cut him loose at any time. He has no working contract.
I wouldn't like to be a county board and have to test that.
I wouldnt say it is a big thing at all, managers are "sacked" all the time and I don't recall there ever being an unfair dismissal case taken against the county board. I suppose unless Gallagher is employed as something else official in Derry which would change things for sure.
I still wouldn't want to test it. Tribunals can, will and have gotten involved in the past in scenarios where people are "only receiving expenses" or don't have a written contract. Like most things though it would likely be fact specific and depend on a lot of factors.
I'm surprised that the Derry county board haven't made an announcement at this stage. Presumably Derry have trained since the allegations broke, so is Rory Gallagher still in charge of team training and tactics this week and if so how can this not be a massive disruption for the Derry players and other backroom staff. I had every sympathy with their county board in the position they found themselves initially but it now appears to be the age old GAA thing of do nothing and hope that it all blows over. Similar to the Kilmacud 16 player farce which was another example of how not to handle a crisis by doing nothing for over a week. Well that doesn't work anymore in the social media age and the vaccum they have created has enabled the story to become hijacked by campaign groups, politicians and online activists. In the best interest of all concerned I hope that it is all resolved sooner rather than later and that he is stood down before Sunday. Otherwise there could be an unsavoury atmosphere at the match on Sunday that we don't normally associate with GAA.
the major risk is some have a go hero gets onto the field and tries to confront rory gallagher
Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2023, 04:55:55 PM
the major risk is some have a go hero gets onto the field and tries to confront rory gallagher
I don't think that will happen. What will happen is the stench of this with follow Derry and the Derry Co board for years to come.
The GPA not commenting again is very very poor form. Reinforces what I think about them as an organisation. Simply there to enrich themselves and do very little for the welfare of players. 50% of its members are female.
The County Board don't have any leverage this evening given the response from Gallagher's solicitors yesterday. But they might have on Sunday. If a sizeable crowd of protestors turns up and makes it onto the news they will be there for the next 3 matches and onwards.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2023, 04:28:36 PM
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on May 12, 2023, 03:45:17 PM
Finding it very difficult to have an interest in the game at all to be honest.
Don't want to bring up the Gallagher thing again but it is the elephant in the room.
Re game, think Hall not starting is significant.
If we push up on the kickout when he's playing I've seen teams isolate him 1 on 1 and ping kickouts to his man. His physical size puts him at an immediate disadvantage.
His exclusion leads me to think we will press more than might have been expected.
Tome will tell
With you there.
Looks like it's all been said on this thread with a multitude of views on what should happen, there's no good outcome at this stage regardless of what happens next.
On the game, I just listened to the GAA Social, and the predictions are fairly much in line with my own. I feel Derry are a bit ahead of Armagh and should win it by a few. Oisin was funny, describe how good derry were then said he wasnt convinced - he was arguing with himself.
But totally unknown how the Derry preparation has been affected this week or how players will respond, so nothing would surprise me in terms of result.
Extra time and penalties? Do we have to have a winner on the day?
On a separate note, if you listen to nothing else, it would be worth listening to Eamon Burns' story about his battle with cancer on the GAA Social. Very personal and insightful.
Before the events of this week, and trying to put any bias to one side I would had us beating Armagh by 5 or more to spare. I just think Derry are a well oiled machine that when then they get a lead the majority of teams will struggle to reel them in. I'm not sold on Armagh. Verry good forward unit though.
Funny, I always think mcconvilles analysis is really insightful, and he has been impressed with Derry for a while. I think if it wasn't for his love of Armagh, he wouldn't be tipping them against Derry.
Burnsy, what a man! Must get a listen to that. Lot of time for him, great fella, he helped shape a lot of boys my age at the club.
Quote from: God14 on May 12, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
The SDLP have now called for Gallagher to stand down on Sunday.
Cara Hunter. Very vocal on women's rights and women's issues. She'll have her finger on the pulse.
Will SF and others now follow?
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2023, 04:59:47 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2023, 04:55:55 PM
the major risk is some have a go hero gets onto the field and tries to confront rory gallagher
I don't think that will happen. What will happen is the stench of this with follow Derry and the Derry Co board for years to come.
The GPA not commenting again is very very poor form. Reinforces what I think about them as an organisation. Simply there to enrich themselves and do very little for the welfare of players. 50% of its members are female.
Agree 100%. There's a genie 90% out of the bottle here.
Football wise I honestly thought Derry would win by 10+. Now I think it's right in the balance. Derry camp is bound to be all over the place. Players have sisters and mothers. What must they be thinking?
Armagh have as a good of chance as ever.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 12, 2023, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 02:33:32 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 12, 2023, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 02:12:46 PM
Gallagher is a volunteer on paper who gets "expenses". They can cut him loose at any time. He has no working contract.
I wouldn't like to be a county board and have to test that.
I wouldnt say it is a big thing at all, managers are "sacked" all the time and I don't recall there ever being an unfair dismissal case taken against the county board. I suppose unless Gallagher is employed as something else official in Derry which would change things for sure.
I still wouldn't want to test it. Tribunals can, will and have gotten involved in the past in scenarios where people are "only receiving expenses" or don't have a written contract. Like most things though it would likely be fact specific and depend on a lot of factors.
Too many wannabe Jamie Bryson's on here that know better than you David.
The most ridiculous comment on here was Derry by 10+.
Ulster Council, Derry County Board and Croke Park met yesterday and outcome was to carry on as normal as this is a private matter
At Derry training everything is carrying on as normal.
Unless something new is presented RG will be there on Sunday.
Will he carry on as normal and will the spectators?
Quote from: The Trap on May 12, 2023, 05:42:57 PM
Ulster Council, Derry County Board and Croke Park met yesterday and outcome was to carry on as normal as this is a private matter
At Derry training everything is carrying on as normal.
Unless something new is presented RG will be there on Sunday.
Will he carry on as normal and will the spectators?
Mind me asking about your source for the first paragraph?
Quote from: pbat on May 12, 2023, 05:41:13 PM
The most ridiculous comment on here was Derry by 10+.
You think more?
Quote from: pbat on May 12, 2023, 05:41:13 PM
The most ridiculous comment on here was Derry by 10+.
Posted by trailer who's well known for posting ridiculous comments.
Quote from: The Trap on May 12, 2023, 05:42:57 PM
Ulster Council, Derry County Board and Croke Park met yesterday and outcome was to carry on as normal as this is a private matter
At Derry training everything is carrying on as normal.
Unless something new is presented RG will be there on Sunday.
Will he carry on as normal and will the spectators?
It isn't a private matter. Private mattering couldn't fix it. It's in the national outrage machine.
https://twitter.com/a4cderry/status/1656949925991645184
I see the woman who was with Nicola in Clones has posted up a comment now as well.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 06:06:01 PM
Quote from: The Trap on May 12, 2023, 05:42:57 PM
Ulster Council, Derry County Board and Croke Park met yesterday and outcome was to carry on as normal as this is a private matter
At Derry training everything is carrying on as normal.
Unless something new is presented RG will be there on Sunday.
Will he carry on as normal and will the spectators?
It isn't a private matter. Private mattering couldn't fix it. It's in the national outrage machine.
https://twitter.com/a4cderry/status/1656949925991645184
Why do you keep posting some miniscule Twitter account claiming there is protests in the works and referencing rugby trial?
Some on here just stirring the pot.
During the Ulster Rugby trial with a high level of interest from women's groups the IRFU was on a shaky scraw because they couldn't sack the players while the case continued or afterwards when they were acquitted. They got a get out of jail card when an Ulster match at the Kingspan was picketed by protestors. This brought in sponsors and the image of the game, 2 immovable forces. I don't think the Derry County Board could have done anything since Wednesday, given the response to the Facebook post. Everyone is waiting to see what happens on Sunday.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2023, 06:11:13 PM
I see the woman who was with Nicola in Clones has posted up a comment now as well.
What she say? If others get behind going to have to act
has it got anything to do with the sdlp are they just looking for attention.
Quote from: God14 on May 12, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
The SDLP have now called for Gallagher to stand down on Sunday.
That would be the dam continuing to burst - what a surprise. Derry CB are making am awful balls of this. They needed to be decisive and step him aside. Instead they are dithering their way along rather than owning the situation. Derry GAA reputation is going to be very badly tarnished. Any women on the CB? Unfair maybe, but this will keep throwing up angle after angle in a very negative way. It won't go away, unless they make it go away.
He's gone - Ciaran Meenagh taking over
https://twitter.com/DeclanBogue/status/1657090434840027158
Quote from: Sportacus on May 12, 2023, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 12, 2023, 04:28:21 PM
The SDLP have now called for Gallagher to stand down on Sunday.
That would be the dam continuing to burst - what a surprise. Derry CB are making am awful balls of this. They needed to be decisive and step him aside. Instead they are dithering their way along rather than owning the situation. Derry GAA reputation is going to be very badly tarnished. Any women on the CB? Unfair maybe, but this will keep throwing up angle after angle in a very negative way. It won't go away, unless they make it go away.
Exactly.
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2023, 07:30:38 PM
He's gone - Ciaran Meenagh taking over
https://twitter.com/DeclanBogue/status/1657090434840027158
Had to happen.
Match seems more appealing now.
Hes gone
The same sdlp that was trying to get peoole sacked and excluded from society over medical procedures then they went quiet
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2023, 07:30:38 PM
He's gone - Ciaran Meenagh taking over
https://twitter.com/DeclanBogue/status/1657090434840027158
Sensible decision to make or be it shouldn't have let it run until Friday evening.
The powers of social media, the baying mob has got their scalp.
Disaster for Derry football though, just when they were hitting the peak of the mountain
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2023, 06:11:13 PM
I see the woman who was with Nicola in Clones has posted up a comment now as well.
Link?
Rory has stepped down
I don't think we can underestimate the damage this will do to Derry both short and long term. There are no winners here.
You'd really have to fancy Armagh now, the squad must be a right mess in Derry.
A bit on Ciaran Meenagh Derry's stand in manager for Sunday.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/05/09/news/the-meen-man-an-insight-into-derry-coach-and-tyrone-native-ciaran-meenagh-1615559/
Quote from: FermGael on May 12, 2023, 07:42:39 PM
Rory has stepped down
stepping back according to his own small statement however the chances of him returning? this had to be done as it wasn't going to blow over or get brushed under the carpet once the Ulster final was played.
willl protestors still be showing up
It might do Derry no harm. AFAIK that was year 4 of RG. A new manager might get more out of the players who are talented. The first half of the AISF last year was the strangest half of football I ever saw.
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 07:50:10 PM
It might do Derry no harm. AFAIK that was year 4 of RG. A new manager might get more out of the players who are talented. The first half of the AISF last year was the strangest half of football I ever saw.
I think they will be a mess now with all this, you'd have to back Armagh now to turn them over.
Finally the dopey **** does the right thing.
More thoughts later.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
willl protestors still be showing up
Why would they now? This had nothing to do with anyone else involved in the game now.
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2023, 08:00:01 PM
Finally the dopey **** does the right thing.
More thoughts later.
I agree with Trailer, ego thought he could ride it out - Derry Co Board are pathetic btw.
Now we can focus about on the football.
Official statement
https://twitter.com/cormicaneoghan/status/1657091757719314444
Armagh by 2.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 12, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
A bit on Ciaran Meenagh Derry's stand in manager for Sunday.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/05/09/news/the-meen-man-an-insight-into-derry-coach-and-tyrone-native-ciaran-meenagh-1615559/
First Tyrone man to manage Derry?
Strange an innocent man relieved himself like this😂😂. Why now and not a day or two ago. Has done Derry no favours
Why focus on the fball MR, a no.of posters been ranted away for 40pgs, fball not mentioned once. don't let a minor detail of a fball match stop you's now.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 12, 2023, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 12, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
A bit on Ciaran Meenagh Derry's stand in manager for Sunday.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/05/09/news/the-meen-man-an-insight-into-derry-coach-and-tyrone-native-ciaran-meenagh-1615559/
First Tyrone man to manage Derry?
Brian McIver
Derry by 4
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2023, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 12, 2023, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 12, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
A bit on Ciaran Meenagh Derry's stand in manager for Sunday.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/05/09/news/the-meen-man-an-insight-into-derry-coach-and-tyrone-native-ciaran-meenagh-1615559/
First Tyrone man to manage Derry?
Brian McIver
My mistake .. thought he was Ballinderry
I have my thoughts on the guilt/innocence of RG but will keep them to myself. He has done the right thing though, albeit belatedly.
Still think Derry win.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:18:57 PM
Why focus on the fball MR, a no.of posters been ranted away for 40pgs, fball not mentioned once. don't let a minor detail of a fball match stop you's now.
Because him and the Derry Co Board made a sideshow of this since the allegations came out.. If you really want to get into it, why didn't Derry suspend him last year when he was under investigation? Up there obviously football more important than anything else
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 12, 2023, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on May 12, 2023, 08:14:07 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 12, 2023, 07:44:10 PM
A bit on Ciaran Meenagh Derry's stand in manager for Sunday.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/05/09/news/the-meen-man-an-insight-into-derry-coach-and-tyrone-native-ciaran-meenagh-1615559/
First Tyrone man to manage Derry?
Brian McIver
I hope this tyrone man does better than mciver did.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 12, 2023, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:18:57 PM
Why focus on the fball MR, a no.of posters been ranted away for 40pgs, fball not mentioned once. don't let a minor detail of a fball match stop you's now.
Because him and the Derry Co Board made a sideshow of this since the allegations came out.. If you really want to get into it, why did Derry suspend him last year when he was under investigation? Up there obviously football more important than anything else
Disgrace attitude to have but doesn't surprise me, seen them against us in league last year. No fans worst followed away side we faced and Gallagher and the players acting like scum. When the manager does what he does on the line and allegedly at home too it's hard blame players
Decision shouldn't have been his to make, Derry should've acted when the story first broke and not let this drag on all week.
Still no denial in any of his statements, it's the first thing any innocent person would be getting out there.
Scum, u lads are the biggest bunch divers and pretend injuries,
Derry Co board look like a bunch of wankers. Handled the whole thing very poorly. Learnings here from counties and clubs.
Gallagher won't be the last manager to get into hot water.
https://twitter.com/cryptopig3/status/1657100056107929604
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 08:39:12 PM
Scum, u lads are the biggest bunch divers and pretend injuries,
Ok. Relax. It's not personal.
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
The SDLP comments today were outrageous. This the same gang that yabber on about kangaroo courts and online social media mobs and abuse , inciting the same against others
All for some attention before the flipping council elections, shameful hypocrites
Last day out a lot of shots dropped short (which resulted in goals) but I expect them to go over the bar this time.
Armagh have enough to win by 4 or 5.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
Totally agree with that. Scary mob mentality to all this stuff.
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
Totally agree with that. Scary mob mentality to all this stuff.
Lads he didn't deny it once, also see Seafoids post. Witness to clones 99 incident.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 12, 2023, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
Totally agree with that. Scary mob mentality to all this stuff.
Lads he didn't deny it once, also see Seafoids post. Witness to clones 99 incident.
I have neither defended or purposely debated anything...👍🏻
It's just so terrible all round...
Without social media reacting there would have been impunity. His ex-wife wouldn't even have had a platform. If RG is innocent then he can be judged and found to be so.
But he can't manage one of the best teams in Ulster on Sunday and beyond.
What a weird year for Derry football. First Kilmacud and now this.
Armagh should engage in some tactical innovation and see how Derry respond. Put Rian in goals and Ethan in the centre at the throw in.
I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
Time will only tell on the kids...
Go easy on Derry GAA....
There could be so much red tape around this which may of needed the time to untangle....
It's the right call 100%....
As the great man once said "this shit ain't chequers its chess" or something to that effect...
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
The SDLP comments today were outrageous. This the same gang that yabber on about kangaroo courts and online social media mobs and abuse , inciting the same against others
All for some attention before the flipping council elections, shameful hypocrites
Say what you like but SDLP and Cara are on the right side of this. And any normal person knows it. Her message was concise and controlled.
SF? Nothing
Anotu? Nothing
GPA? Nothing
Derry Co board? Nothing
Real people's champions that lot.
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Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
The SDLP comments today were outrageous. This the same gang that yabber on about kangaroo courts and online social media mobs and abuse , inciting the same against others
All for some attention before the flipping council elections, shameful hypocrites
nothing outrageous about the SDLP comments, they're 100% right on this one
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2023, 09:08:15 PM
Armagh should engage in some tactical innovation and see how Derry respond. Put Rian in goals and Ethan in the centre at the throw in.
Armagh should tighten up at the back and go for it. Developments should be worth at least 3 points to them.
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 08:58:18 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
Totally agree with that. Scary mob mentality to all this stuff.
A lot of that evidenced on the board.
People called scum, tramps and all sorts.
All based on a social media post.
Everyone agrees that if any of what she claimed happened was real then jail is the answer. Yet a police investigation resulted in nothing. For me that means all detail is not in the public domain and rightly so as its a private matter. But that's not enough for the baying mob.
It's a sad society we live in.
I'm still going to stick with Derry as I think we have better footballers and been playing better football. I hope the players can get on with it and rise above this debacle, but either way this final is tainted.
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Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
Totally agree with that. Scary mob mentality to all this stuff.
Lads he didn't deny it once, also see Seafoids post. Witness to clones 99 incident.
Again, trial by social media.
Mob being led by social posts.
I would assume police spoke to the same witnesses and more besides.
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Investigation by police did not result in nothing. You need to pay attention. By now you should see the truth of this as the man in 2 statements still hasn't denied any accusations.
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 09:33:04 PM
Investigation by police did not result in nothing. You need to pay attention. By now you should see the truth of this as the man in 2 statements still hasn't denied any accusations.
Exactly. A decision not to prosecute by the police is not quite the same as there being no substance to the allegations.
A normal person would simply be able to state that there was no substance to these allegations whatsoever, rather than say that they couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
Dry your hole Itchy. Like Cavan or any other county board would have done differently! Pathetic
Were there any character references ?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/12/ulster-final-at-least-has-clarity-after-rory-gallagher-steps-back-from-role-as-derry-manager/
Ulster final at least has clarity after Rory Gallagher steps back from role as Derry manager
Rory Gallagher: 'I have advised Derry GAA that I am stepping back as Derry senior football manager with immediate effect'
Malachy Clerkin
Fri May 12 2023 - 21:04
The most surreal build-up to an Ulster final in living memory at least has some clarity around it now. Rory Gallagher's decision on Friday night to step back from his role as Derry manager means he will not be on the sideline in Clones as they attempt to defend their provincial title against Armagh on Sunday. Quite what it means for the future is still up in the air.
"I have advised Derry GAA that I am stepping back as Derry senior football manager with immediate effect," Gallagher said in his statement. "This decision is borne out of a desire to protect my children from the ongoing turmoil. They will always be my priority."
Ciaran Meenagh, the Tyrone man who was a selector under Gallagher, will now take the reins. It is impossible to say whether this is to be a permanent arrangement. Sources in Derry indicate only that Gallagher is stepping back until further notice. All that can be said for certain is that he is not the Derry manager now.
It brings an end to a tumultuous week, one in which allegations from Gallagher's ex-wife Nicola regarding domestic abuse were shared widely, first on social media and subsequently in the mainstream press. When Gallagher addressed them in a statement on Thursday, he gave no indication that he was considering removing himself from his role with the Derry footballers.
This naturally gave rise to much speculation as to what would happen if and when he turned up on the sideline for the Ulster showpiece this weekend. How would he be received by Derry supporters? By opposing supporters? By neutrals? Would there be banners in the crowd? Might there still?
Gallagher's decision to step back has removed some of that and lowered the temperature around the game somewhat. That may or may not last beyond the throw-in, as there are plenty of footballing reasons for the game having the potential to take flight.
Derry are aiming to go back-to-back in Ulster for the first time since the mid-1970s. Armagh are back in a provincial decider for the first time since 2008, having watched every other Ulster county reach a final in the meantime. Even before the Gallagher situation brought nationwide attention to it, the Sold Out sign was on the door from early in the week.
But ever since Nicola Gallagher's Facebook post on Tuesday night, it has been virtually impossible to consider the Ulster final in terms of football. An ugly family situation has taken centre-stage, played out in front of a national audience. Any talk of tactical machinations, of attacking goalkeepers, of back-door cuts or anything else has felt even smaller than usual in the face of it all.
For now, there'll be a game. And a winner and a loser and a trophy and a speech.
Rory Gallagher won't be in charge of Derry for any of it.
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
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Anyway of both teams losing?
Aw it's been too long ye can't begrudge us a final appearance! Fair chunk of Armagh support have little or no memory of our last one.
And we didn't exactly win the last one in style, let's hope for more this time.
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
+1 it will unfortunately linger for a very long time
Quote from: trailer on May 12, 2023, 09:17:55 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 12, 2023, 08:49:35 PM
The SDLP comments today were outrageous. This the same gang that yabber on about kangaroo courts and online social media mobs and abuse , inciting the same against others
All for some attention before the flipping council elections, shameful hypocrites
Say what you like but SDLP and Cara are on the right side of this. And any normal person knows it. Her message was concise and controlled.
SF? Nothing
Anotu? Nothing
GPA? Nothing
Derry Co board? Nothing
Real people's champions that lot.
100%. Voted SF all my life, but SDLP deserve massive credit
Quote from: armaghniac on May 12, 2023, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 09:33:04 PM
Investigation by police did not result in nothing. You need to pay attention. By now you should see the truth of this as the man in 2 statements still hasn't denied any accusations.
Exactly. A decision not to prosecute by the police is not quite the same as there being no substance to the allegations.
A normal person would simply be able to state that there was no substance to these allegations whatsoever, rather than say that they couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
Nor does it mean he is guilty.
But the online crew think it does so that's what counts?
I've never once claimed he's innocent, but its ridiculous that so many on here are convinced he's guilty based on a social media post.
Not one single person on this board has any facts other than a social media post and a retort issued through a solicitor and subsequent police response.
I agree that he had no choice but to step aside given the nature reactions this week. I've no idea if he did or didn't and neither does anyone on here.
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
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It's been a good send
Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
:), tell them nothing quit yo jibbajabba. Ignore lists go to the grave with a man.
First two stories on this evening news are related to DV. One a murder.
Huge challenge for society and men.
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The powers of social media, the baying mob has got their scalp.
Disaster for Derry football though, just when they were hitting the peak of the mountain
Oh seriously get a grip , he's filth and good riddance to him .
You're calling the man filth based on nothing but a social media post nevermind evidence. Another idiot that doesn't believe in innocent until proven guilty.
Get a grip of yourself, your comments are disgraceful.
+1
Quote from: seafoid on May 12, 2023, 08:42:24 PM
https://twitter.com/cryptopig3/status/1657100056107929604
I wonder if this could change things with the PPS if she's willing to give evidence in court?
Just noticing the language in the statement is "stepping back" and not "stepping down". Presumably to leave room for a return later this year or before next season.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 12, 2023, 10:24:57 PM
Just noticing the language in the statement is "stepping back" and not "stepping down". Presumably to leave room for a return later this year or before next season.
I had the exact same thought. Very peculiar choice of language.
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
:), tell them nothing quit yo jibbajabba. Ignore lists go to the grave with a man.
Lolol well ones the most obvious one a few more that have been frothing at the mouth for days gona get it soon ill wait for them to keep goin rather than look back over the guff..f**king draining
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 12, 2023, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 09:09:21 PM
I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
Dry your hole Itchy. Like Cavan or any other county board would have done differently! Pathetic
And if they did I'd be just as critical of them.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 12, 2023, 09:35:55 PM
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I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
Dry your hole Itchy. Like Cavan or any other county board would have done differently! Pathetic
Been watching a few of your replies and ro be honest I am astounded. You seem to think Derry getting a slight bit of success is worth anything. You really need to have a good look at yourself and your priorities.
Derry response has been poor a bit like your own, ignore it and hope it goes away.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 12, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
willl protestors still be showing up
Not protestors but i'd imagine there will be some show of solidarity and support for Nicola Gallagher.
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
:), tell them nothing quit yo jibbajabba. Ignore lists go to the grave with a man.
Lolol well ones the most obvious one a few more that have been frothing at the mouth for days gona get it soon ill wait for them to keep goin rather than look back over the guff..f**king draining
Does it block them straight away?
I remember a manager give a reference for a man who went to Jail after for rape/ left her at the roadside and not 1 f**king thing was mentioned about it when I brought it up here yrs ago. Suppose times change.
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I wonder how he'll protect his kids when they find out the truth.
Derry GAA have lost a lot of goodwill in this, a pathetic effort from them.
Dry your hole Itchy. Like Cavan or any other county board would have done differently! Pathetic
Been watching a few of your replies and ro be honest I am astounded. You seem to think Derry getting a slight bit of success is worth anything. You really need to have a good look at yourself and your priorities.
Derry response has been poor a bit like your own, ignore it and hope it goes away.
Do you seriously think Derry have been running alone with this without input from the Ulster Council or Croke Park?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 10:53:27 PM
I remember a manager give a reference for a man who went to Jail after for rape/ left her at the roadside and not 1 f**king thing was mentioned about it when I brought it up here yrs ago. Suppose times change.
I brought it up on here WildWeasel last year about that incident you mention - My post was deleted by a mod. Don't know why as it's in the public domain
Nobody said ignore the accusations, but nobody had the balls to start a seperate RG thread for all that discussions, and this one for the fball element. As the first one started it and it all went Pete tong probably been liable.
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
:), tell them nothing quit yo jibbajabba. Ignore lists go to the grave with a man.
Lolol well ones the most obvious one a few more that have been frothing at the mouth for days gona get it soon ill wait for them to keep goin rather than look back over the guff..f**king draining
Does it block them straight away?
Yassir 😎 you can see theyve posted. Says you have them on ignore so up to you to choose to click to see their bile.
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
:), tell them nothing quit yo jibbajabba. Ignore lists go to the grave with a man.
Lolol well ones the most obvious one a few more that have been frothing at the mouth for days gona get it soon ill wait for them to keep goin rather than look back over the guff..f**king draining
Does it block them straight away?
Yassir 😎 you can see theyve posted. Says you have them on ignore so up to you to choose to click to see their bile.
Was just checking you hadn't blocked me!! 😂
I've fully swung from a Derry win by 6+ last week to now an Armagh win.
Like, it's not as if the Derry players can say...let's win it for Rory.
Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
I've fully swung from a Derry win by 6+ last week to now an Armagh win.
Like, it's not as if the Derry players can say...let's win it for Rory.
Let's win it for the fans?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2023, 10:53:27 PM
I remember a manager give a reference for a man who went to Jail after for rape/ left her at the roadside and not 1 f**king thing was mentioned about it when I brought it up here yrs ago. Suppose times change.
Wasn't a forum about it but it didn't go down well with a lot of people. No one was defending him. It's a fair old stretch someone giving a personnel reference outside of football to a football manager directly alleged to have committed serious offences
I see a statement online now from Sheila Maguire (wife of fermanagh player Stephen Maguire) confirming the account of the assault in Monaghan in 1999.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 11:13:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
I've fully swung from a Derry win by 6+ last week to now an Armagh win.
Like, it's not as if the Derry players can say...let's win it for Rory.
Let's win it for the fans?
Dunno if that soccer 'fans' thing transfers well to GAA.
Maybe it doesn't matter a jot but I've always felt Gallagher had that team playing well above their talent.
Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
I've fully swung from a Derry win by 6+ last week to now an Armagh win.
Like, it's not as if the Derry players can say...let's win it for Rory.
He's taken every training, set up the team, picked the team then stepped back. I'm hoping Derry the players won't be too badly affected on Sunday. Longer term i expect their performance levels to drop though after such a big change.
As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life
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Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
I've fully swung from a Derry win by 6+ last week to now an Armagh win.
Like, it's not as if the Derry players can say...let's win it for Rory.
Let's win it for the fans?
Dunno if that soccer 'fans' thing transfers well to GAA.
Maybe it doesn't matter a jot but I've always felt Gallagher had that team playing well above their talent.
Supporter's?
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Good man Jog. Fcuk me ive read some shite past few days. Can take no more lol
Edit - jesus thats class. 2 gone already with more to follow no doubt
Go on, name and shame! ;D
:), tell them nothing quit yo jibbajabba. Ignore lists go to the grave with a man.
Lolol well ones the most obvious one a few more that have been frothing at the mouth for days gona get it soon ill wait for them to keep goin rather than look back over the guff..f**king draining
Does it block them straight away?
Yassir 😎 you can see theyve posted. Says you have them on ignore so up to you to choose to click to see their bile.
Was just checking you hadn't blocked me!! 😂
Lol. Well played.
I had but chose to read your post. Re-blocked 😎😃
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 12, 2023, 11:37:18 PM
As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life
Going by opposing reports which may or may not not carry any substance...... would that be best for the children though?
That's the problem....who actually knows what's true....half true or lies...
Somewhere amongst it all I imagine....the kids are the casualties....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 11:56:41 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 12, 2023, 11:37:18 PM
As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life
Going by opposing reports which may or may not not carry any substance...... would that be best for the children though?
That's the problem....who actually knows what's true....half true or lies...
Somewhere amongst it all I imagine....the kids are the casualties....
The woman admitted herself that she has issue with alcohol so obviously that would need looked at and resolved in terms of her getting the children you would imagine..
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2023, 12:08:13 AM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 11:56:41 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 12, 2023, 11:37:18 PM
As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life
Going by opposing reports which may or may not not carry any substance...... would that be best for the children though?
That's the problem....who actually knows what's true....half true or lies...
Somewhere amongst it all I imagine....the kids are the casualties....
The woman admitted herself that she has issue with alcohol so obviously that would need looked at and resolved in terms of her getting the children you would imagine..
It's incredibly sad that the poor children may not have any fit parent....but I don't know this....nobody on here does....awful
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I see a statement online now from Sheila Maguire (wife of fermanagh player Stephen Maguire) confirming the account of the assault in Monaghan in 1999.
That's not good for RG.
Did her statement come out before he "stepped back"?
Quote from: J70 on May 13, 2023, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I see a statement online now from Sheila Maguire (wife of fermanagh player Stephen Maguire) confirming the account of the assault in Monaghan in 1999.
That's not good for RG.
Did her statement come out before he "stepped back"?
I'm sure for all concerned she should have made that statement public at the time
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 12, 2023, 11:37:18 PM
As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life
+1
Quote from: ck on May 13, 2023, 12:23:20 AM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 12, 2023, 11:37:18 PM
As an Armagh supporter all I'm interested in is seeing that poor girl get her life sorted out and get her children back from this bully who has clearly ruined her life
+1
Fair play to you. A true gael.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
What a disaster this has all been....horrible stuff....nightmare...
If 1% of the accusations are true there can be absolutely no pity......I have sisters.....daughters.....it was a harrowing read...
No excuse....completely vile....
However....trial by social media is mental...
In general....anyone of us on here could have our world's ended by simple click of a button....rightly or wrongly......whether true or false......life destroyed....blink of an eye......its far too open...
If a certain man was to retaliate and post a long story outlining years of abuse or some sort of self defence on social media (which could be absolute lies as no-one actually knows) I hope it would be received with the same energy........
Massive failings all round on many fronts....too many to go in to.... and those poor children....May God give them the strength....
I can only hope there is no more bad news to come....
Felt Derry were slight favourites before the game....its completely swung in Armaghs favour I feel...
The GAA is massive for most of us....but in life....there are far more important things than football....
The whole things is tainted now and it's hard to look forward to this game....whether it's win....loose or draw....
Tainted is a bit of a stretch at this stage.
I don't see how the whole thing can be tainted when Gallagher is no longer going to be on the sideline.
It's not the Derry players fault and I (along with many others) will be absolutely delighted if they happen to win the game.
Quote from: J70 on May 13, 2023, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I see a statement online now from Sheila Maguire (wife of fermanagh player Stephen Maguire) confirming the account of the assault in Monaghan in 1999.
That's not good for RG.
Did her statement come out before he "stepped back"?
Yep.
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Good thread
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Yes she's seen examples. Does this apply to Rory Gallagher?. None of us know that answer. Given a witness has come forward this needs a full investigation.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Yes she's seen examples. Does this apply to Rory Gallagher?. None of us know that answer. Given a witness has come forward this needs a full investigation.
I love the way you just throw out that this needs full investigation as if all parties are willing or even capable of cooperating with authorities. Just sounds so simple. Even the authorities have limited skills and abilities in these situations. Police, the courts, and social services aren't always the magic recipe to help victims.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2023, 12:22:08 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 13, 2023, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 12, 2023, 11:20:52 PM
I see a statement online now from Sheila Maguire (wife of fermanagh player Stephen Maguire) confirming the account of the assault in Monaghan in 1999.
That's not good for RG.
Did her statement come out before he "stepped back"?
I'm sure for all concerned she should have made that statement public at the time
If you read her post it is clear she didn't know the story 2 years ago. There are probably several people who could fill in the backstory for the PPS. There must be doctors who saw injuries. And it wasn't confined to the home. Some of it happened in public. RG stepping back from his dream project, the first Derry back to back since the 70s, is the first time his power has been challenged in 24 years.
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 08:08:52 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Yes she's seen examples. Does this apply to Rory Gallagher?. None of us know that answer. Given a witness has come forward this needs a full investigation.
I love the way you just throw out that this needs full investigation as if all parties are willing or even capable of cooperating with authorities. Just sounds so simple. Even the authorities have limited skills and abilities in these situations. Police, the courts, and social services aren't always the magic recipe to help victims.
So what then if not a reopening of all the timeline/events?
I was at a Saffron Business Forum lunch yesterday - 600 people in attendance. Anyone else who was there can correct me (I may have lost concentration somewhere amid the 5 hour long formalities...) but I didn't hear a single word uttered about the Ulster Final from the stage, other than Peter Canavan who made a joke to Jarlath Burns about winning Liam McCarthy. Not one mention - completely bizzare in a room full of GAA supporters.
Quote from: Rois on May 13, 2023, 08:24:52 AM
I was at a Saffron Business Forum lunch yesterday - 600 people in attendance. Anyone else who was there can correct me (I may have lost concentration somewhere amid the 5 hour long formalities...) but I didn't hear a single word uttered about the Ulster Final from the stage, other than Peter Canavan who made a joke to Jarlath Burns about winning Liam McCarthy. Not one mention - completely bizzare in a room full of GAA supporters.
Has been very obvious as the week went on. Some podcasts even avoiding discussion round the game. Others not mentioning management or tactics, the BBC social was a great example for their live podcast on the Ulster final. Someone has posted that they clarified their position before going to air but I'd say it was nearly halfway through before they got to the Ulster final itself and then it was a very light touch. A tough position for them in fairness.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 08:08:52 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Yes she's seen examples. Does this apply to Rory Gallagher?. None of us know that answer. Given a witness has come forward this needs a full investigation.
I love the way you just throw out that this needs full investigation as if all parties are willing or even capable of cooperating with authorities. Just sounds so simple. Even the authorities have limited skills and abilities in these situations. Police, the courts, and social services aren't always the magic recipe to help victims.
So what then if not a reopening of all the timeline/events?
I think it could be very helpful. This week jogged the memory of at least one witness.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2023, 11:21:38 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 12, 2023, 11:13:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 12, 2023, 11:08:04 PM
I've fully swung from a Derry win by 6+ last week to now an Armagh win.
Like, it's not as if the Derry players can say...let's win it for Rory.
Let's win it for the fans?
Dunno if that soccer 'fans' thing transfers well to GAA.
Maybe it doesn't matter a jot but I've always felt Gallagher had that team playing well above their talent.
Supporter's?
Patreons is the word
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 08:08:52 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Yes she's seen examples. Does this apply to Rory Gallagher?. None of us know that answer. Given a witness has come forward this needs a full investigation.
I love the way you just throw out that this needs full investigation as if all parties are willing or even capable of cooperating with authorities. Just sounds so simple. Even the authorities have limited skills and abilities in these situations. Police, the courts, and social services aren't always the magic recipe to help victims.
So what then if not a reopening of all the timeline/events?
Did someone mention a statute of limitations? Maybe certain thinks weren't investigated because of that?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 08:08:52 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 13, 2023, 07:44:45 AM
Quote from: Itchy on May 13, 2023, 06:53:16 AM
Some of you need to read this thread...
https://twitter.com/Sineadmcgar/status/1656946720486350848?t=EuciV12QYX1abR2h4tTzUA&s=19
Yes she's seen examples. Does this apply to Rory Gallagher?. None of us know that answer. Given a witness has come forward this needs a full investigation.
I love the way you just throw out that this needs full investigation as if all parties are willing or even capable of cooperating with authorities. Just sounds so simple. Even the authorities have limited skills and abilities in these situations. Police, the courts, and social services aren't always the magic recipe to help victims.
So what then if not a reopening of all the timeline/events?
I'm just pointing out that's it a complex and difficult situation and I wouldn't be one bit surprised if nothing happens.
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
Quote from: Louther on May 13, 2023, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: Rois on May 13, 2023, 08:24:52 AM
I was at a Saffron Business Forum lunch yesterday - 600 people in attendance. Anyone else who was there can correct me (I may have lost concentration somewhere amid the 5 hour long formalities...) but I didn't hear a single word uttered about the Ulster Final from the stage, other than Peter Canavan who made a joke to Jarlath Burns about winning Liam McCarthy. Not one mention - completely bizzare in a room full of GAA supporters.
Has been very obvious as the week went on. Some podcasts even avoiding discussion round the game. Others not mentioning management or tactics, the BBC social was a great example for their live podcast on the Ulster final. Someone has posted that they clarified their position before going to air but I'd say it was nearly halfway through before they got to the Ulster final itself and then it was a very light touch. A tough position for them in fairness.
It's a very difficult situation for the media and the GAA in general. How do you discipline someone who has effectively been found 'not guilty' by the authorities in the north? (remember, it seems the result of the investigation was that there was insufficient evidence so all likelihood he would be found 'not guilty' , so no point wasting time/resources in having a trial where there was almost no chance of a conviction).
But the allegations are stomach churning. The only solution was for RG to step down himself, and really that should have happened in his first statement. We don't know what's being going on in the background, maybe the Derry CB have been insisting that he does step back, and he eventually agreed. But there's way more we don't know that we do know.
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
As stupid takes go, this is right up there. A row between two people. f**k me.
How can the match be anyway independent of this? He was the manager of Derry. He single-handedly turned them from Div 4 laughing stock in Ulster champions.
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
As stupid takes go, this is right up there. A row between two people. f**k me.
How can the match be anyway independent of this? He was the manager of Derry. He single-handedly turned them from Div 4 laughing stock in Ulster champions.
Why does something you don't agree with /can't understand have to be stupid? The match was secondary. Taking him out was the goal.
It was actually Damien McErlain who brought them out of division 4
Irish Times preview
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/13/tailteann-cup-previews-cavan-can-begin-charge-for-title-with-win-over-laois/Ulster SFC final Derry v Armagh, Clones, 4.0 (Live, RTÉ2/BBC Two NI)
News of manager Rory Gallagher's stepping back casts a shadow on Derry's final, and the ultimate impact won't be known until Sunday.
Their progress through the harder side of the Ulster draw had been relatively uneventful given Monaghan's jolting victory over Tyrone in the first round followed by the former's comparative no-show in the semi-final.
Not that Armagh were put to the pin of their collar by a succession of teams who had spent the spring in Division Three. They experimented with all forms of dull strategies in the league and still failed to fend off relegation but there has been more of an attacking emphasis in the championship to date.
That quicker, forward play won't have been discouraged by Derry's recent uncharacteristic leakiness, which has seen the concession of eight goals in their last three matches.
The four against Dublin can be explained or partly mitigated by the absence of Conor Glass for half the match as well as Chrissy McKaigue for the whole fixture. But Fermanagh and Monaghan got two each.
Armagh have seen high balls pay out like broken fruit machines and that temptation with players like Rian O'Neill, Rory Grugan and Andrew Murnin will be there even against as organised a defence as Derry's.
Chaos could be Armagh's friend in a match, which features two "adventurous" goalkeepers in Odhran Lynch and Ethan Rafferty.
The champions bring physicality and fitness to bear with carefully structured attacks and can sustain high presses on opposition restarts, as they did last year when taking down Donegal.
This is likely to be a final that less rewards caution but Derry have the vital components to play it either way, from the solid defence and quick transition of Conor McCluskey through a top-class centrefield of Glass and last year's Ulster final hero Brendan Rogers up into an attack spearheaded by high-scoring Shane McGuigan.
Verdict: Derry
Quote from: Look-Up! on May 13, 2023, 09:41:56 AM
It was actually Damien McErlain who brought them out of division 4
Ha! First rule of Gaaboard fightclub
Don't let facts get in the way of a point you are making.
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
In a hypothetical scenario, if someone beats the shite out of someone else who is not able to defend themselves, for example a pregnant woman. Do you describe that as a "row between two people"
If you do that is indeed as stupid an opinion as I've read on here.
Mods, can we not have a separate thread away from the GAA / match talk section for those handful of men who want to continuously fill their boots with this story?
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
Possibly the stupidest comment I have ever read on here.
Quote from: ck on May 13, 2023, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
Possibly the stupidest comment I have ever read on here.
FFS. Give me the rest of your top 10 then.
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
As stupid takes go, this is right up there. A row between two people. f**k me.
How can the match be anyway independent of this? He was the manager of Derry. He single-handedly turned them from Div 4 laughing stock in Ulster champions.
Why does something you don't agree with /can't understand have to be stupid? The match was secondary. Taking him out was the goal.
He's best ignored.
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 09:36:49 AM
Quote from: trailer on May 13, 2023, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 08:55:46 AM
This is basically a row between 2 people. The football match and Derry GAA are independent of this.
The stakes are very high. RG losing his position on the sideline didn't look likely on Tuesday evening.
As stupid takes go, this is right up there. A row between two people. f**k me.
How can the match be anyway independent of this? He was the manager of Derry. He single-handedly turned them from Div 4 laughing stock in Ulster champions.
Why does something you don't agree with /can't understand have to be stupid? The match was secondary. Taking him out was the goal.
Taking him out was who's goal?
Odds haven't really budged, with Derry odds on favourites at 8/11 and Armagh at 13/8. Is there any value in Armagh? In truth Armagh untested against division 3 opposition so far. Hard to know what team will turn up.
If its a first half performance as against Down then Derry will bate them well. However they looked the part in the 2nd half and had some good quality coming off the bench.
You'd have to think Derry still too good, but harder to call than i thought.
I would not be surprised if certain elements of the press have approached NG to get more re 'her side of the story'. I truly hope that she and / or those around her do not go down this road for her and her kids sake.
Rags like the Sunday life and the Sunday world will be all over at but it could be a legal minefield too.
I would have had Derry favourites but this week for me has changed that. Not sure how they could focus on the game.
If both focused has the makings of a great game.
Boylesports still have Armagh at 13/8, which was reasonable value even before any disruption of Derry's plans.
I'd agree, 13/8 is great value if you fancy it as 50/50 game.
To be honest I thought we (Derry) would win fairly handy at the start of the week. More this goes on, am not sure now we will win the game. I no problem anybody taking about certain issues, but do it on a seperate thread This thread about the game became total toxic, with more gossip spread, than I heard from any ladies who mentioned it to me in relation to RG.
Not many Ulster finals are won fairly handily.
Quote from: grounded on May 13, 2023, 01:07:31 PM
Odds haven't really budged, with Derry odds on favourites at 8/11 and Armagh at 13/8. Is there any value in Armagh? In truth Armagh untested against division 3 opposition so far. Hard to know what team will turn up.
If its a first half performance as against Down then Derry will bate them well. However they looked the part in the 2nd half and had some good quality coming off the bench.
You'd have to think Derry still too good, but harder to call than i thought.
If Derry can dictate the terms of the game they will win but if they can't anything can happen. A game like this could really make this Armagh team.
Armagh have a goal threat and Derry have been leaking goals recently- I think I read 8 goals in the last 3 matches.
A few goals would make it interesting.
Quote from: Armamike on May 13, 2023, 03:08:03 PM
Not many Ulster finals are won fairly handily.
I do seem to remember one where Armagh won their first for 17 years and some fellow called McConville scored 2-07. Hopefully, his record will be broken tomorrow.
I didn't want to rub that one in again.
With the way they're talking some people on here seem to be making out Derry are playing Antrim ffs.
Hoping for a great game and a Doire win tomorrow....
Safe travels to all......enjoy the day out 😀
Quote from: seafoid on May 13, 2023, 03:15:49 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 13, 2023, 01:07:31 PM
Odds haven't really budged, with Derry odds on favourites at 8/11 and Armagh at 13/8. Is there any value in Armagh? In truth Armagh untested against division 3 opposition so far. Hard to know what team will turn up.
If its a first half performance as against Down then Derry will bate them well. However they looked the part in the 2nd half and had some good quality coming off the bench.
You'd have to think Derry still too good, but harder to call than i thought.
If Derry can dictate the terms of the game they will win but if they can't anything can happen. A game like this could really make this Armagh team.
Armagh have a goal threat and Derry have been leaking goals recently- I think I read 8 goals in the last 3 matches.
A few goals would make it interesting.
Seafoid must have listened to GAA social before this post, that's Michael murphys words from this weeks preview exactly
That's gas. I have never listened to that channel.
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
Quote from: Sportacus on May 13, 2023, 11:05:28 PM
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
How long has RG been involved as a high profile manager/coach? As a father you'd be on the ball insuring his life would be made very difficult from day one
Quote from: Sportacus on May 13, 2023, 11:05:28 PM
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
Did he write to Donegal and Fermanagh as well?
Derry all of a sudden inherit this problem?
Quote from: Sportacus on May 13, 2023, 11:05:28 PM
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
He should have posted it on Facebook instead.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 13, 2023, 11:24:56 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 13, 2023, 11:05:28 PM
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
Did he write to Donegal and Fermanagh as well?
Derry all of a sudden inherit this problem?
This. Derry gettin all the shit that Fermanagh and Donegal bound to have been aware of also. Heard today from a boy as to why he got the road from Fermanagh. All hearsay of course so no point repeating. Did the da write to them two also? Why dafuq he let them get married ffs
As someone said, he was 3yrs at Fermanagh, 3yrs at Donegal, 3 yrs at Donegal going further back. Why this is only seeing the light of day now,
Coercive control may be why she stayed or married him, not sure it's a case of why did her dad 'let her get married to him'
To the outside world when the good times are good, they appear to be the perfect couple.
Maybe she had become isolated and was not really in touch with her family and friends.
Women will marry men and stay with men yet every single day, be afraid to be in the same house as them.
70 pages for an Ulster final pre match.
There are South Dubs who think this social media on RG is about the late Ballyshannon guitarist.
He was on the Sunday game as well so rte should be getting a bashing if derry county board are.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 14, 2023, 12:13:03 AM
70 pages for an Ulster final pre match.
There are South Dubs who think this social media on RG is about the late Ballyshannon guitarist.
6 pages of football.
Very interesting to see how Derry are tomorrow.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2023, 11:11:52 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 13, 2023, 11:05:28 PM
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
How long has RG been involved as a high profile manager/coach? As a father you'd be on the ball insuring his life would be made very difficult from day one
His daughter was willing to forgive and forget for a long period, in that scenario the Da was neither able to stop her getting married nor would he want to stir up trouble for Gallagher when she did not want it. At some point during his tenure in Derry things went past that point. Derry decided to turn a blind eye, as there was no proof beyond reasonable doubt, but any background enquiries by Derry from Fermanagh GAA sources would surely have turned up some of the stuff coming out now. Derry did not lift the stone because of what they might find there.
Yawn. Is this not the GAA discussion board?
Head on over to the non GAA discussion like a crowd of old biddies and talk sh*te there on it on another thread.
Even an armagh man stirring the pot there above ffs. Hopefully the orangemen are tanked tomorrow and I'm not even a derry man. The players will come out and do their talking on the field. Armagh are chokers, geezer is going to get the road eventually after another trophyless season, the man has been hanging on forever at this stage, any other county would have got rid.
A man asked me last night "who do you think will win tomorrow?"
I told him Dublin.
Quote from: Sportacus on May 13, 2023, 11:05:28 PM
It ain't going away - she claims her father wrote to Derry GAA last May with claims against Gallagher and received no response. (Sunday Independent). The hole could get a lot deeper for Derry CB.
This just isn't acceptable at all. Not even the manners or decency to respond to her father. Derry board are complicit in this now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2023, 12:08:17 AM
As someone said, he was 3yrs at Fermanagh, 3yrs at Donegal, 3 yrs at Donegal going further back. Why this is only seeing the light of day now,
His teams get Klopped out. You can't run the intensity model indefinitely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1800s
Anyone able to paste Joe Brollys piece from today's Independent
Or better still, nicola gallaghers interview
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2023, 12:08:17 AM
As someone said, he was 3yrs at Fermanagh, 3yrs at Donegal, 3 yrs at Donegal going further back. Why this is only seeing the light of day now,
Does it matter?
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2023, 12:08:17 AM
As someone said, he was 3yrs at Fermanagh, 3yrs at Donegal, 3 yrs at Donegal going further back. Why this is only seeing the light of day now,
His teams get Klopped out. You can't run the intensity model indefinitely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZxysKL-oAE&t=1800s
There's only one victim in this wildweasel and it's not your beloved Derry.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2023, 12:18:16 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on May 14, 2023, 12:13:03 AM
70 pages for an Ulster final pre match.
There are South Dubs who think this social media on RG is about the late Ballyshannon guitarist.
6 pages of football.
The first 19 pages are about football so there are least 25 pages in total
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 02:13:59 AM
Yawn. Is this not the GAA discussion board?
Head on over to the non GAA discussion like a crowd of old biddies and talk sh*te there on it on another thread.
Even an armagh man stirring the pot there above ffs. Hopefully the orangemen are tanked tomorrow and I'm not even a derry man. The players will come out and do their talking on the field. Armagh are chokers, geezer is going to get the road eventually after another trophyless season, the man has been hanging on forever at this stage, any other county would have got rid.
I've had some bad nights out but none that bad that I came on here and gave a county team and management a pile of abuse. You need new drinking buddies.
Quote from: smort on May 14, 2023, 09:10:20 AM
Or better still, nicola gallaghers interview
There is obviously a strategy in place.
Well folks, today is the day. Safe travels to all gaels and hope everyone has a great day out. May the rain stay away and if it doesn't may the game be so good that we wont care about the rain.
Up Armagh!
Brolly really launches the grenade into the County Board in Derry today. Seems like they have serious questions to answer.
Giving it to be dry day in Clones, bring it on! I think I floated out of bed this morning. Safe travels to all, have a great day and here's to a final to remember for all the right reasons.
Up Armagh!
Enjoy the buzz in Clones and may the best team win. It's the clash of the 1 all Ireland titans.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: smort on May 14, 2023, 09:10:20 AM
Or better still, nicola gallaghers interview
There is obviously a strategy in place.
And what strategy is that?
1. Facebook post Tuesday, 5 days before the Ulster Final https://twitter.com/thegaacorner/status/1656322909395202049
The post triggered a large social media response focusing on football and Domestic Abuse.
2 Media interview Sunday , the morning of the Ulster Final https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/if-my-story-helps-one-woman-or-man-then-it-will-have-been-worth-it-nicola-gallagher-on-domestic-abuse-claims/a1936363625.html
3 There will probably be more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMe8ltiH2IQ
What makes it strategic is the timing and the linking with the Ulster Final. Also the cross border media angle.
Then you have very focused messaging in both the Facebook post and the Indo interview. Eg "if my story helps one woman"
Fogra : RG is innocent until proven guilty
Quote from: maggie on May 14, 2023, 12:12:42 AM
Coercive control may be why she stayed or married him, not sure it's a case of why did her dad 'let her get married to him'
To the outside world when the good times are good, they appear to be the perfect couple.
Maybe she had become isolated and was not really in touch with her family and friends.
Women will marry men and stay with men yet every single day, be afraid to be in the same house as them.
Maggie, this is true and I posted a thread earlier from a social worker which also mentioned this. However, the gentleman you are replying to isn't genuine in his question. He just wants to show doubt about the complaints to protect his beloved Derry. Can only hope nothing like this ever happens to his sisters or daughter s if he has either.
Quote from: Mario on May 14, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
Anyone able to paste Joe Brollys piece from today's Independent
Joe Brolly: Why Rory Gallagher had to step down
The protection of three vulnerable children in now everyone's priority
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Joe Brolly
Today at 02:30
I am thinking of three small children. Three small children with their Derry kits folded by their bedsides, wondering why they can't go to the Ulster final. Three small children unaware of the public bloodbath that is to come.
Today, the 1998 Derry Ulster championship winning team is being introduced to the crowd at half-time. Earlier in the week, when it looked as though Rory Gallagher was going to be on the sideline today, the group decided that we would not go through with it. How could we have? Smiling, waving, blowing kisses?
The GAA symbolises our community. It is what we are. When Nicola Gallagher put her harrowing, terrifying story online, Rory had to step down. He has custody of three small children and their protection is all of our priority.
The reason family courts anonymise parents is not to protect the parents. It is to protect the children. Children are the innocent victims of acrimonious break-ups and of outrageous abuses. Sometimes, they experience things that will haunt them forever. The court's objective, insofar as is possible, is to allow them to get on with their lives in a way that causes them the least possible damage. To ensure they are in a settled, secure environment.
I am devastated to hear these allegations. Worse is the fact that these vulnerable children are now going to hear and see this tragedy being played out so publicly.
I make no judgment on the private lives of the parents. But once this moved from the privacy of the family courts and a confidential PSNI investigation into the public domain, the GAA had no choice but to act.
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
In the coming days, the Gallagher family will be a spectator sport. The three children will be frightened and confused by what they hear and see. They will feel all eyes on them and sense that unmistakeable atmosphere of sympathy that usually accompanies a death in the family. There will be no protecting them now.
Nicola, a vulnerable young woman who has obviously suffered terribly, must be given space and support. Most of all, she must be listened to. Those public howls of distress and pain shook us all to the core.
Rory, who has parental responsibility for three vulnerable children, must also be given space and support. In a few weeks, the public will have lost interest. They will be left to pick up the pieces.
Yesterday morning I was in a quandary about whether to write anything at all for today. Then I got a call from Rodney Edwards, from this paper. He said: "Joe, would you like to comment on the fact that the Derry County Board were notified about these allegations a year ago and yet did nothing?" Rodney, a decent and straightforward journalist, proceeded to read the email that had been sent to the board by Nicola Gallagher's father. I said, "Jesus Christ" and put the phone down.
This was never disclosed to the county board members. I never thought this would happen with us. Why? To win some football matches? To get a f**king promotion?
I think of how the GAA is flourishing like never before because of the massive rise in involvement by our girls and women. How it has created such a vibrant community of equals. And then to hear that such serious allegations were reported to us and nothing was done?
I am a Derry GAA man to the core. It is humiliating to know that this has happened in my name. I spoke to several board members yesterday morning who are equally enraged. They had no idea this had been done. They were unaware of the allegations until they read Nicola's anguished Facebook posts last week.
I am one of the lawyers in the Stardust Inquest, a story of secrets and cover-ups and hoping it would all go away. That disaster occurred on Valentine's Day, 1981, a symphony of sorrowful songs that some hoped would be buried with the dead. But secrets have a habit of coming back to haunt us. Now, they have come back to haunt Derry GAA.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 10:59:11 AM
1. Facebook post Tuesday, 5 days before the Ulster Final https://twitter.com/thegaacorner/status/1656322909395202049
The post triggered a large social media response focusing on football and Domestic Abuse.
2 Media interview Sunday , the morning of the Ulster Final https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/if-my-story-helps-one-woman-or-man-then-it-will-have-been-worth-it-nicola-gallagher-on-domestic-abuse-claims/a1936363625.html
3 There will probably be more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMe8ltiH2IQ
What makes it strategic is the timing and the linking with the Ulster Final. Also the cross border media angle.
Then you have very focused messaging in both the Facebook post and the Indo interview. Eg "if my story helps one woman"
Fogra : RG is innocent until proven guilty
In cases like this I would say he is legally innocent until he is proven guilty. If in real times he is guilty he deserves all the grief he gets - and much more.
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on May 14, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 14, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
Anyone able to paste Joe Brollys piece from today's Independent
Joe Brolly: Why Rory Gallagher had to step down
The protection of three vulnerable children in now everyone's priority
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Joe Brolly
Today at 02:30
I am thinking of three small children. Three small children with their Derry kits folded by their bedsides, wondering why they can't go to the Ulster final. Three small children unaware of the public bloodbath that is to come.
Today, the 1998 Derry Ulster championship winning team is being introduced to the crowd at half-time. Earlier in the week, when it looked as though Rory Gallagher was going to be on the sideline today, the group decided that we would not go through with it. How could we have? Smiling, waving, blowing kisses?
The GAA symbolises our community. It is what we are. When Nicola Gallagher put her harrowing, terrifying story online, Rory had to step down. He has custody of three small children and their protection is all of our priority.
The reason family courts anonymise parents is not to protect the parents. It is to protect the children. Children are the innocent victims of acrimonious break-ups and of outrageous abuses. Sometimes, they experience things that will haunt them forever. The court's objective, insofar as is possible, is to allow them to get on with their lives in a way that causes them the least possible damage. To ensure they are in a settled, secure environment.
I am devastated to hear these allegations. Worse is the fact that these vulnerable children are now going to hear and see this tragedy being played out so publicly.
I make no judgment on the private lives of the parents. But once this moved from the privacy of the family courts and a confidential PSNI investigation into the public domain, the GAA had no choice but to act.
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
In the coming days, the Gallagher family will be a spectator sport. The three children will be frightened and confused by what they hear and see. They will feel all eyes on them and sense that unmistakeable atmosphere of sympathy that usually accompanies a death in the family. There will be no protecting them now.
Nicola, a vulnerable young woman who has obviously suffered terribly, must be given space and support. Most of all, she must be listened to. Those public howls of distress and pain shook us all to the core.
Rory, who has parental responsibility for three vulnerable children, must also be given space and support. In a few weeks, the public will have lost interest. They will be left to pick up the pieces.
Yesterday morning I was in a quandary about whether to write anything at all for today. Then I got a call from Rodney Edwards, from this paper. He said: "Joe, would you like to comment on the fact that the Derry County Board were notified about these allegations a year ago and yet did nothing?" Rodney, a decent and straightforward journalist, proceeded to read the email that had been sent to the board by Nicola Gallagher's father. I said, "Jesus Christ" and put the phone down.
This was never disclosed to the county board members. I never thought this would happen with us. Why? To win some football matches? To get a f**king promotion?
I think of how the GAA is flourishing like never before because of the massive rise in involvement by our girls and women. How it has created such a vibrant community of equals. And then to hear that such serious allegations were reported to us and nothing was done?
I am a Derry GAA man to the core. It is humiliating to know that this has happened in my name. I spoke to several board members yesterday morning who are equally enraged. They had no idea this had been done. They were unaware of the allegations until they read Nicola's anguished Facebook posts last week.
I am one of the lawyers in the Stardust Inquest, a story of secrets and cover-ups and hoping it would all go away. That disaster occurred on Valentine's Day, 1981, a symphony of sorrowful songs that some hoped would be buried with the dead. But secrets have a habit of coming back to haunt us. Now, they have come back to haunt Derry GAA.
A well written considered piece from Brolly.
Brolly's piece is very good in what it does say but it opens up other very big questions.
Earlier in the week many were asking "what" did Derry know. That question is partially answered. We know that they had been alerted to this issue. What else that were told we don't know. But Brolly claims that some officials were informed but elected not to tell others.
This opens up the massive questions of "who" within Derry knew and "why" they did not share this information. After that we can get into how they satisfied themselves that this man should remain in post.
To those officials now impacted by this I would advise them that there is zero chance of this information not coming out. Their best hope is to come forward with it. If it has to be dragged out it will only look worse.
Just on the match. Derry are extremely disciplined and they like to dictate terms. But they struggle when they lose control. I think this has to be a focus for Armagh who played in D1 during the league. Derry were very comfortable beating Meath and Kildare in D2.
Derry were very dominant in the first half of the all Ireland semi final last year but once Galway started scoring they didn't know what to do. I don't know if Derry have fixed this in the meantime.
I think Armagh have a great chance today if they play to their potential. Goals are required.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 02:13:59 AM
Yawn. Is this not the GAA discussion board?
Head on over to the non GAA discussion like a crowd of old biddies and talk sh*te there on it on another thread.
Even an armagh man stirring the pot there above ffs. Hopefully the orangemen are tanked tomorrow and I'm not even a derry man. The players will come out and do their talking on the field. Armagh are chokers, geezer is going to get the road eventually after another trophyless season, the man has been hanging on forever at this stage, any other county would have got rid.
How about you head over to Discord or wherever the other immature teenagers hang out?
I'm not sure the Nicola Gallaghers article will do much for her kids
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on May 14, 2023, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 14, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
Anyone able to paste Joe Brollys piece from today's Independent
Joe Brolly: Why Rory Gallagher had to step down
The protection of three vulnerable children in now everyone's priority
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
Joe Brolly
Today at 02:30
I am thinking of three small children. Three small children with their Derry kits folded by their bedsides, wondering why they can't go to the Ulster final. Three small children unaware of the public bloodbath that is to come.
Today, the 1998 Derry Ulster championship winning team is being introduced to the crowd at half-time. Earlier in the week, when it looked as though Rory Gallagher was going to be on the sideline today, the group decided that we would not go through with it. How could we have? Smiling, waving, blowing kisses?
The GAA symbolises our community. It is what we are. When Nicola Gallagher put her harrowing, terrifying story online, Rory had to step down. He has custody of three small children and their protection is all of our priority.
The reason family courts anonymise parents is not to protect the parents. It is to protect the children. Children are the innocent victims of acrimonious break-ups and of outrageous abuses. Sometimes, they experience things that will haunt them forever. The court's objective, insofar as is possible, is to allow them to get on with their lives in a way that causes them the least possible damage. To ensure they are in a settled, secure environment.
I am devastated to hear these allegations. Worse is the fact that these vulnerable children are now going to hear and see this tragedy being played out so publicly.
I make no judgment on the private lives of the parents. But once this moved from the privacy of the family courts and a confidential PSNI investigation into the public domain, the GAA had no choice but to act.
Rory Gallagher — © SPORTSFILE
In the coming days, the Gallagher family will be a spectator sport. The three children will be frightened and confused by what they hear and see. They will feel all eyes on them and sense that unmistakeable atmosphere of sympathy that usually accompanies a death in the family. There will be no protecting them now.
Nicola, a vulnerable young woman who has obviously suffered terribly, must be given space and support. Most of all, she must be listened to. Those public howls of distress and pain shook us all to the core.
Rory, who has parental responsibility for three vulnerable children, must also be given space and support. In a few weeks, the public will have lost interest. They will be left to pick up the pieces.
Yesterday morning I was in a quandary about whether to write anything at all for today. Then I got a call from Rodney Edwards, from this paper. He said: "Joe, would you like to comment on the fact that the Derry County Board were notified about these allegations a year ago and yet did nothing?" Rodney, a decent and straightforward journalist, proceeded to read the email that had been sent to the board by Nicola Gallagher's father. I said, "Jesus Christ" and put the phone down.
This was never disclosed to the county board members. I never thought this would happen with us. Why? To win some football matches? To get a f**king promotion?
I think of how the GAA is flourishing like never before because of the massive rise in involvement by our girls and women. How it has created such a vibrant community of equals. And then to hear that such serious allegations were reported to us and nothing was done?
I am a Derry GAA man to the core. It is humiliating to know that this has happened in my name. I spoke to several board members yesterday morning who are equally enraged. They had no idea this had been done. They were unaware of the allegations until they read Nicola's anguished Facebook posts last week.
I am one of the lawyers in the Stardust Inquest, a story of secrets and cover-ups and hoping it would all go away. That disaster occurred on Valentine's Day, 1981, a symphony of sorrowful songs that some hoped would be buried with the dead. But secrets have a habit of coming back to haunt us. Now, they have come back to haunt Derry GAA.
You could say poor risk management but it's not fair that Derry get the rap when Fermanagh and Donegal also had knowledge that was not acted on. The whole thing is poisonous.
Brolly alluding to the fact County Board members were unaware of the email is staggering & better still now seething about this not being addressed - serious questions for Derry County Board
Quote from: smort on May 14, 2023, 09:10:20 AM
Or better still, nicola gallaghers interview
'If my story helps one woman or man then it will have been worth it' – Nicola Gallagher on domestic abuse claimsEstranged wife of GAA manager Rory Gallagher says she thought about ending her life
'The GAA knew about all of this because we told them... but they did nothing'
'I loved him ... when you are living like that, all those difficult moments become normal'
Rodney Edwards
May 13 2023 9:30 PM
Nicola Gallagher sat in front of her computer in her home in Co Fermanagh last Tuesday, looking again at the 478 words she had written on her Facebook page, and knowing that if she hit the "post" button her life would change — for better or for worse, she didn't know.
The post contained serious domestic abuse allegations against her former husband Rory Gallagher, the well-known GAA manager and ex-player.
The accusations relate to a period of more than two decades. Her heart, says the mother-of-three, was racing. She felt it was now or never.
"I sat for ages looking at it on my computer. I kept thinking, 'Will I do it or will I not?' What impact will this have on my children? I had a tightness in my chest, I got really afraid... and then I hit 'post'."
Within minutes her phone started to light up with messages from friends, family, and strangers; almost a week later the post has been "liked" more than 17,000 times.
"The first person to ring me was my aunt who said, 'I am so proud of you, you did the right thing. We have been waiting for that for years'. I was mentally broken, but hearing that settled me," she says.
Nicola says she has been left feeling "humbled" by the response to her post, which has sparked conversations in almost every home, workplace, and sports ground on the island.
"The reaction has been totally overwhelming — I never expected it. I feel so heartened by the response because I'm not the type of person who likes any kind of attention. I'm naturally quite a shy person, I don't use social media. The last time I used Facebook was three or four years ago.
"But the number of messages I have been getting from other women who say my speaking out has helped them means it was worth it. Some say it has helped them to break their own silence."
On Friday night, Rory Gallagher said he was stepping away from his role as Derry GAA's senior football manager, saying the decision was "borne out of a desire to protect my children from the ongoing turmoil. They will always be my priority."
Sitting on a sofa, Nicola speaks softly but clearly. Her parents, Gerry and Yvonne Rooney, two well-respected business people who own shops on both sides of the Border, look on. Occasionally, her mother is reduced to tears.
"If you hadn't written that Facebook post, what would have happened?" I ask.
"I would be dead, 100pc. I needed to do it — it was my last resort."
Her parents agree: "This has been a long time coming," Gerry says.
"This is your time now, Nicola," Yvonne says.
Nicola is open about her use of alcohol due to what she says was the toxicity of a marriage which ended in September 2019.
Her husband was recently given custody of their three children.
"I have been extremely traumatised," she says. "But you just keep going, you keep going, you keep going, you try to block it out, you tell yourself that it never happened. Then you hit a wall. I turned to alcohol to block it all out.
"I am in recovery now, but it hasn't been easy. This last year has been the toughest of my life. I will not shy away from the fact I have had issues with alcohol, but I have done something about it. I am thankful for the support network I have in my family and in Fermanagh Women's Aid."
Does she think her issues with alcohol, I ask, has resulted in unfair criticism in some quarters over the past few days?
"Yes," she says. "I think it is being used against me. 'Sure, who would believe her?' But the response has been overwhelmingly positive."
One of the more cynical judgments has been over the timing of the post, ahead of today's Ulster final between Derry and Armagh. It has been whispered that she did it to cause disruption.
"No," she says, "I didn't do this out of revenge, or for Rory to lose his job. I did it to share my experience and to help other women and men. I never did it to punish him, I did it to get it off my chest and if it helps one woman or man, then it will have been worth it."
How did she feel when she heard Rory had stepped back from his responsibilities with the team?
"I don't think he had much choice."
She describes a very unhappy, unpleasant marriage and recalls distressing moments, including claims of emotional abuse. She says those memories will "stay with me forever".
But she admits she never felt she could end their marriage.
"I loved him, I try to see the good in everybody. I always wanted for our children what I had as a child. I had a happy, secure childhood; I wanted the same for them. But when you are living like that, all those difficult moments become normal. You get up and get on with it."
In her darker moments, though, she thought about ending her life.
"Yeah, yeah, I did. They were fleeting thoughts — I didn't make plans. But there were times when I felt like going to the pier in Killybegs and jumping off it. The only reason why I wouldn't do anything was because of my children."
The only time in our two-hour conversation that Nicola gets emotional is when she talks about the love she has for her children.
"The children mean everything to me. Sometimes I feel like they are not mine any more, that I have been cut out of their lives. I reared those children when he was off being a superstar with the GAA. For them to be taken away from me really hurts. Every day without them breaks me. They are the first thing I think about in the morning, they are the last thing I think about at night."
In her Facebook post, Nicola cited several incidents she says took place over a 24-year period.
Sources say gardaí are keen to formally investigate the allegations and have attempted to contact Nicola in recent days.
Mr Gallagher was arrested in 2021 but not charged in relation to physical abuse claims against Nicola.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) has confirmed it investigated claims of domestic abuse while two files were passed to the Public Prosecution Service (PPS) in January and June last year, but it was deemed there was insufficient evidence to proceed.
"When I arrived at Enniskillen police station to make the initial complaint I asked for a female officer and got a male. I was already nervous enough. Then when the PPS rejected my case, I felt hopeless.
"The guards have a dossier of material on this and were trying to get in touch with me again. Previously they asked if I would like to make a statement. I haven't done that before because I was scared."
Last Thursday, Mr Gallagher issued his first statement in response to what he described as "very serious" allegations, insisting they "have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities".
"Our marriage broke down over four years ago. Those closest to our family are aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time. My focus over the past four years has been to protect our children from the ongoing turmoil in our family," he said.
How, I ask Nicola, did she feel when she read that?
"Rory's statement was exactly what I had expected. In my view, it was aimed to shame me," she says.
"It was quite cowardly, I thought, but not surprising."
The GAA has made a number of statements about domestic abuse.
Brian McAvoy, the Ulster GAA chief executive, said last week: "While we cannot comment or make judgment on any specific allegation or allegations, Ulster GAA does not condone any form of domestic violence.
"We are proud to have joined with White Ribbon NI in pledging to never commit, condone or remain silent about violence against women.
"We encourage and support anyone who has been a victim of such abuse not to suffer in silence but to avail of the statutory and voluntary support services that are available in the community."
But for Nicola, "words from the GAA are not enough".
She says the organisation was informed about her allegations against Mr Gallagher "but did nothing".
"They are just words; their actions speak differently. The GAA knew about all of this, 100pc, and the county boards of Fermanagh and Derry knew — because we told them. There were senior members of the GAA who knew what was going on, there are incidents that took place at GAA events. It was a well-known fact.
"I remember seeing their campaign about referees being abused and phoning GAA HQ, the response was, 'What do you want me to do about it?' I feel like they don't want to know. It is a joke. The family also raised their concerns with the Fermanagh County Board and told them too," Nicola says.
An email, seen by the Sunday Independent, including claims against Mr Gallagher, was sent to the management of Derry GAA on May 25 last year by Nicola's father.
He did not receive a reply.
Derry GAA would not comment yesterday when asked why it did not act once the complaint was received. It referred this newspaper to its previous statement, in which it said it "condemns all forms of domestic violence", and to Mr Gallagher's earlier statement.
Nicola says she has been contacted by "other women who are experiencing the same thing and are too scared to come out in case they are not believed."
"I feel let down by all these institutions — the PSNI, the PPS, the Western Health and Social Care Trust, the GAA. I feel for anyone who is suffering as I have. How are they going to come forward? I had to write a post on Facebook because I was at the end of the line. I didn't want to have to do that."
As she reflects on the past week, she says it has been a "turning point" in her life.
"I have kept all this buried, so to be finally free of it, I feel a lot lighter."
But she also feels, she says, "a little scared".
Of what?
"Of speaking out and what might happen because of that. But I am proud that I have been able to talk about my experiences publicly and the love I have for my children.
"I will not be silent any more."
Women's Aid – freephone 1800 341 900, 24hrs Men's Aid – phone (01) 554 3811, Mon–Fri 9am–5pm Samaritans – freephone 116 123, 24hrs
I never thought this was an easy game .
Was always going yo be close.
But a professional team with all their expertise and back room would struggle to stay focused. I really can't see my neighbours young sons and brothers being able to play undistracted by it all. And we should never forget yhat this is what ghe GAA is about. I come to this platform to talk GAA, and really all the other unsavoury stuff should be on another thread.
I have no doubts as to the veracity of Mrs Gallaghers wife..
I think Rory should have been exposed sooner.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 14, 2023, 11:58:19 AM
I'm not sure the Nicola Gallaghers article will do much for her kids
Staying silent probably wouldn't have done much for them in the long run either.
At least her going public might offer support and inspiration for others not to suffer in silence.
Quote from: J70 on May 14, 2023, 12:06:36 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 14, 2023, 11:58:19 AM
I'm not sure the Nicola Gallaghers article will do much for her kids
Staying silent probably wouldn't have done much for them in the long run either.
At least her going public might offer support and inspiration for others not to suffer in silence.
I'm talking specifically about the newspaper article today, not bringing this into the open
Gallagher took the Derry team meeting yesterday morning in Owenbeg, I have this from a very reliable source,
So much for stepping aside never mind stepping back. Says it all really.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 14, 2023, 12:26:55 PM
Gallagher took the Derry team meeting yesterday morning in Owenbeg, I have this from a very reliable source,
So much for stepping aside never mind stepping back. Says it all really.
If true that is outrageous
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 14, 2023, 12:26:55 PM
Gallagher took the Derry team meeting yesterday morning in Owenbeg, I have this from a very reliable source,
So much for stepping aside never mind stepping back. Says it all really.
If true that is outrageous
You will be outraged no matter what, but will move quickly on to the next outrage I'm guessing
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0512/1383212-athletic-armagh-well-matched-against-contrary-derry/
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 14, 2023, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 14, 2023, 12:26:55 PM
Gallagher took the Derry team meeting yesterday morning in Owenbeg, I have this from a very reliable source,
So much for stepping aside never mind stepping back. Says it all really.
If true that is outrageous
You will be outraged no matter what, but will move quickly on to the next outrage I'm guessing
Don't be a tit. If he has taken this team meeting allied to the fact that Nicolas father's email to the Derry county board warning about him was ignored (& not being shared with other cb members) this reflects very badly on those at the top of the Derry county board.
It seems the most angry people on this thread are the ones who want to shut down the discussion about how Derry CB should handle this. I can't see what the problem is with discussing the ins and outs - there are major reputation stakes here for everyone. If there was a separate thread there'd be people complaining about that too.
On the football front hopefully the game will be a cracker. If Armagh click they'll win is my tuppence.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 14, 2023, 12:40:36 PM
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 14, 2023, 12:26:55 PM
Gallagher took the Derry team meeting yesterday morning in Owenbeg, I have this from a very reliable source,
So much for stepping aside never mind stepping back. Says it all really.
If true that is outrageous
You will be outraged no matter what, but will move quickly on to the next outrage I'm guessing
Antrims own macho man showing zero respect to women. What a hero.
Quote from: giveballaghback on May 14, 2023, 12:26:55 PM
Gallagher took the Derry team meeting yesterday morning in Owenbeg, I have this from a very reliable source,
So much for stepping aside never mind stepping back. Says it all really.
Not true.
Ciaran meenagh took it.
Mods, you really need to start calling out this bullshit
Good article above... Blessed to never see in both my own parents or in my marriage. My sister had a touch of it in her first relationship. Minor coercive stuff but I'm sure it would have got worse had it continued.
Going back to others talking taking matters into your own hands, my dad was annoyed we didn't head over and give the lad a bit of a slap, the reality is ending up with a conviction is not worth it in the long run and while justice would have been sweet at the time it's not the smart thing to do.
Anyone got a total of the aggregate winning margin across the Provincial finals so far. It must be hovering around 50 points after the Leinster final.
Whatever the backstory, at least Ulster will give us a real game and that aggregate will not increase by more than a few.
Enda McGinley on RTE a few moments ago reckons Derry have already reached their celling would you agree? Sell out final with a little under 29k expected, capacity restricted on previous years.
Derry by 4
Armagh by 3
Bit of a jersey clash this
Handicap is 1. I'm going for a draw, Armagh to win in extra time.
Clash of jersies??? Why are Derry not in white?
Quote from: 5times5times on May 14, 2023, 04:00:53 PM
Clash of jersies??? Why are Derry not in white?
Doesn't make any sense whatsoever
Get one of them to put bibs on here lol
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 04:00:37 PM
Bit of a jersey clash this
Really hard to see on the tv esp with so many players in small space. How ulster Gaa let this happen is stupid
Great to see a full house for a provincial final. No doubt we will get some sort of contest too.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2023, 03:49:19 PM
Enda McGinley on RTE a few moments ago reckons Derry have already reached their celling would you agree? Sell out final with a little under 29k expected, capacity restricted on previous years.
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1657760703560708097
Derry shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose their kits when it suits them. Pick a home jersey and stick to it unless there's a clash. Obviously some sort of weird intentional tactic today. At the cost of spectators
Clampit
what was goal keeper at there
Armagh keeper a complete clown.. What's he doing there
That's always in Rafferty's locker.
Keeper 🙄
Poor goal to concede, never a goal if they keeper stays on his line.
Them horns are v annoying. (Bbc coverage)
Armagh have the breeze but allowing Derry to collect handy kick outs!
McKaigue wouldn't be out of place in La Liga.
What was the applause on 14 minutes for?
What was the clapping about?
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 04:17:15 PM
What was the clapping about?
I'm sure it's about the Gallagher situation
Wee fella aged 15 from Lurgan died suddenly recently.
For a 15 year old kid in Armagh who died recently
It's not possible to be a defender when forwards are allowed 9 steps
one team changing jerseys today was too much hassle? 17 mins played Armagh 0-4 Derry 1-2
Nice gesture, fair play.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 14, 2023, 04:19:19 PM
one team changing jerseys today was too much hassle? 17 mins played Armagh 0-4 Derry 1-2
Don't get it, Derry colours are white with red band - why they not wearing it??
Very low scoring
Rodgers the star man.
Pure shite
Quote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2023, 04:19:14 PM
It's not possible to be a defender when forwards are allowed 9 steps
And yet calls the overcarry that time.
That was 4 or 5 steps into the tackle and then more, easy one to call.
Someone needs to go down and take those horn's away
This is like a division 3 match
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 04:22:14 PM
Very low scoring
Deathly quiet - hearing individual roars every few secs. Modern football!!
Poor game.
Thankfully there's a hurling double header next week. If Gough manages to cover 3 miles today I'd be surprised
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:26:22 PM
That was 4 or 5 steps into the tackle and then more, easy one to call.
Someone needs to go down and take those horn's away
It was over carried by Doherty but the Turbitt one was as easy a one to call too imo.
And yeah those feckin horns are annoying.
The only way for Armagh to be more negative would have been to refuse to leave the bus
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 04:17:15 PM
What was the clapping about?
Itchy was about to get outraged again
Gough really favoring Armagh
No nasty stuff so far.. time yet I suppose
Half time Armagh 0-7 Derry 1-5. The goal the difference and Armagh can't be happy with the way it was conceded.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 14, 2023, 04:31:49 PM
Gough really favoring Armagh
That's a stretch. Poor match all round
Derry in a good position with the wind. Armagh relying on outrageous points from out the field that they won't get into the breeze
I'm assuming there's a hefty enough breeze in Clones? Riain lobbed one over from 60 yards, while McGuigan's 35 yard wee hung up forever
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2023, 04:18:36 PM
Wee fella aged 15 from Lurgan "died suddenly" recently.
No, it was asthma attack or something like that.
Physical contact all but removed from the game, this is a bit of snoozefest so far. Sadly it's lightyears ahead of the other provincial finals
Really needs to be a deep look at the rules going forward, usual basketball back and forth
Quote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2023, 04:40:12 PM
I'm assuming there's a hefty enough breeze in Clones? Riain lobbed one over from 60 yards, while McGuigan's 35 yard wee hung up forever
Yes and Derry have that wind advantage now. Armagh probably would be leading at half time but for giving away such a soft goal, only 50% strike rate on the shots taken.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:29:56 PM
Thankfully there's a hurling double header next week. If Gough manages to cover 3 miles today I'd be surprised
Yeah, Clare v Waterford was a classic last night alight.
Gough keeping it close.
Armagh have been really poor so far, lucky to be only a point down with the wind. Our team should get stronger as the 2nd half progresses, Crealy & Campbell should be on straight away for Duffy & McPartlan. We don't seem to mind playing into the wind which gives me some hope.
So the ref blows the Derry keeper for time wasting but adds on exactly 1 min injury time and true to form he blows it 1 sec over the time as Derry are attacking.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2023, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2023, 04:18:36 PM
Wee fella aged 15 from Lurgan "died suddenly" recently.
No, it was asthma attack or something like that.
Have removed the " " from the original post.
Quote from: onefineday on May 14, 2023, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:29:56 PM
Thankfully there's a hurling double header next week. If Gough manages to cover 3 miles today I'd be surprised
Yeah, Clare v Waterford was a classic last night alight.
Look at the comments here, it's a few steps above this lateral/play back type garbage of 15 men behind the ball
Derry to coast home. Armagh need to go for it which will eat into Derrys hands.
Quote from: onefineday on May 14, 2023, 04:47:56 PM
So the ref blows the Derry keeper for time wasting but adds on exactly 1 min injury time and true to form he blows it 1 sec over the time as Derry are attacking.
Is there a rule saying he should play more added time because a team is attacking?
Suprised armagh haven't played a few balls into the square. They tried one and played it straight to the keeper
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:58:05 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 14, 2023, 04:47:56 PM
So the ref blows the Derry keeper for time wasting but adds on exactly 1 min injury time and true to form he blows it 1 sec over the time as Derry are attacking.
Is there a rule saying he should play more added time because a team is attacking?
No, but with 1 min being the absolute min added time, you'd wonder at the time wasting incident.
Is there no proper keepers in Armagh? Jesus this sweeper keeper is desperate stuff
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:51:34 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 14, 2023, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:29:56 PM
Thankfully there's a hurling double header next week. If Gough manages to cover 3 miles today I'd be surprised
Yeah, Clare v Waterford was a classic last night alight.
Look at the comments here, it's a few steps above this lateral/play back type garbage of 15 men behind the ball
I'd disagree, an uncompetitive hurling game is pretty shit to watch too.
And aren't you one of the (many) posters who feel there's no need for changes to the football rules?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:51:34 PM
Quote from: onefineday on May 14, 2023, 04:43:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 04:29:56 PM
Thankfully there's a hurling double header next week. If Gough manages to cover 3 miles today I'd be surprised
Yeah, Clare v Waterford was a classic last night alight.
Look at the comments here, it's a few steps above this lateral/play back type garbage of 15 men behind the ball
I'd disagree, an uncompetitive hurling game is pretty shit to watch too.
And aren't you one of the (many) posters who feel there's no need for changes to the football rules?
So you like 15 men behind the ball? Changing the rules will just mean changing tactics to provide us with more unimpressive football.
Waterford had a man sent off last night, changes the game considerably, but you'd know that
Watching these two teams it seems like if anything they have regressed from last year
The expected competitive Ulster final 48 mins played Armagh 0-8 Derry 1-7.
Come back Down. We need you
Dirty stroke by Forker
Rians been very quiet in 2nd half. There will come a point where he will be confined to the square when Armagh need a goal
Last 10 minutes have been very good.
Ban the horns/vuvuzeulas ffs so annoying
Quote from: Schkite on May 14, 2023, 05:14:19 PM
Dirty stroke by Forker
Nipped him and then tried to break his fingers
Twisting a players fingers like that not a red card?
Seems like the BBC have turned down the microphones around the ground to subdue the air horns
Player comes on and puts gumshield straight into his ......... sock!
Derry have been quite poor in 2nd half, was expecting them to get mcguigan on the ball 45 meters out and with wind he'd score but they seem to be just doing same as they did in 1st half. If Armagh get a goal they'll win this
62 mins played. Derry 1-10 Armagh 0-11
Jesus armagh are awful. Still trying to act the hard men instead of playing football
I thought you can't touch the goalie in the square?
4 mins of added time to play. Derry 1 point ahead.
That's a black card
Surley a black card for a deliberate pull down.
Derry conservatism could cost them dearly, farting around with the ball instead of going for scores
Level game. Black card for Rogers.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 14, 2023, 05:31:59 PM
I thought you can't touch the goalie in the square?
Thought that too
FT Armagh 0-13 Derry 1-10. Extra time to be played.
Knew at the time that Derry would rue that Rodgers chance that hit the post and went out. Would have put them 3 up.
Quote from: grounded on May 14, 2023, 04:00:44 PM
Handicap is 1. I'm going for a draw, Armagh to win in extra time.
After penalties!
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 14, 2023, 05:31:59 PM
I thought you can't touch the goalie in the square?
You can touch the goalie - you can't shoulder the goalie in the small parallelogram
It's awful bilge. I think that's what the ceiling comment is about. Derry can impose this in Ulster but there are better teams at the later stages who will bypass it.
Thought Rory Grugan was to kick the winner. Need to make the extra man count for the opening 8 minutes of extra time.
What is the point in Maurice Deegan?
Simply saying gough got everything right, superb analysis.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 14, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
What is the point in Maurice Deegan?
Simply saying gough got everything right, superb analysis.
I'd see through it if he did
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 14, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
What is the point in Maurice Deegan?
Simply saying gough got everything right, superb analysis.
Aye just confirms the obvious that the commentator or pundits should know.
And please get rid of McMahon on co-commentary, I lost some brain cells listening to his red hot takes. "I think Armagh need a goal or a few points to win this"
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 14, 2023, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 14, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
What is the point in Maurice Deegan?
Simply saying gough got everything right, superb analysis.
Aye just confirms the obvious that the commentator or pundits should know.
And please get rid of McMahon on co-commentary, I lost some brain cells listening to his red hot takes. "I think Armagh need a goal or a few points to win this"
Murphy would have been much better on commentary duty
Some slow play while lad in sin bin I'd say here
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 05:52:44 PM
Some slow play while lad in sin bin I'd say here
Maybe a head injury or two. Someone will lost a contact lense.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 05:52:44 PM
Some slow play while lad in sin bin I'd say here
Will refs bring in a stop clock for black cards MR2? Separate watch for timing them.. I know through the years we've been told go down injured or take time over kicks if down to 14
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 05:54:56 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 05:52:44 PM
Some slow play while lad in sin bin I'd say here
Will refs bring in a stop clock for black cards MR2? Separate watch for timing them.. I know through the years we've been told go down injured or take time over kicks if down to 14
I wish they would as it's no point of a lad actually goes down with a head injury
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 14, 2023, 05:50:26 PM
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 14, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
What is the point in Maurice Deegan?
Simply saying gough got everything right, superb analysis.
Aye just confirms the obvious that the commentator or pundits should know.
And please get rid of McMahon on co-commentary, I lost some brain cells listening to his red hot takes. "I think Armagh need a goal or a few points to win this"
Agree
Armagh haven't made much hay with the extra man.
Should have went for goal
Was that not a trip and a black card?
Clear black for Morgan.
Jarly Og is a good man in a crisis
Still all to play for half time in extra time Armagh 0-15 Derry 1-11
Keeper for Derry a weak link when he gets on the ball up the field and Armagh know it
Armagh 2 up . Soupy
Didn't see the Morgan incident, did he clip his heels?
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 06:12:58 PM
Armagh 2 up . Soupy
back to a 1 point game. 5 mins to go.
Wow what a point. Ethan Rafferty from zero to hero.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 06:14:00 PM
Didn't see the Morgan incident, did he clip his heels?
Yeh he got turned, clipped his heel and ref even indicated it was a trip
3 mins to play. Armagh 0-17 Derry 1-13
O'Neil allowed this score
Rafferty kickouts what's he at.. Give the game to Derry
level game, late winner or penalties?
Shocking game management from Arnagh
Derry in front.
Penalty shootout now
Ref costing armagh dearly here with that kick out restart
Never a free in there lol. Campbell doing a Neymar.
Softest of frees but Derry players gave gough every reason to give it
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
Never a free in there lol. Campbell doing a Neymar.
Was a free all day long, Campbell looking it and got it from giving away a stupid free
Armagh level it up in the 2nd minute of added time. 0-18 to 1-15. Penalty shootout to find a winner.
Coward referee giving that.
Armagh deserved the chance at penalties but I think Derry's refusal to take some shots until they were behind will be a big talking point here if they lose.
Was free all day at the end. He was looking for it but still a free
How did yer man Cassidy stay on the whole game? Cost Derry with at least a couple of poor efforts that should have been recycled.
Edit: missed a peno as well.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 14, 2023, 06:22:19 PM
Coward referee giving that.
If Dublin were in same position to ensure a draw you'd be hopping mad if it wasn't given
Come on, that was a free all day long. Murry clearly pushed him in the back, stupid stupid stupid considering there were 3 Derry men there.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
Never a free in there lol. Campbell doing a Neymar.
Was a free all day long, Campbell looking it and got it from giving away a stupid free
Did Rogers drop the knees in Campbell there to ensure he earned the free retrospectively?
Fancy Armagh as tired legs in Derry
Would any team or supporter had complained if this was a replay?
Rory g on Mike all day too
Quote from: LeoMc on May 14, 2023, 06:25:15 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: clarshack on May 14, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
Never a free in there lol. Campbell doing a Neymar.
Was a free all day long, Campbell looking it and got it from giving away a stupid free
Did Rogers drop the knees in Campbell there to ensure he earned the free retrospectively?
If he did drop knees then it was a red
1 penalty miss each
Armagh worse than England at penalties
Sure Armagh didn't want to win it, crafty buggers
Armagh will be kicking themselves, should have had that won a few times between normal time and ET. Derry were second best by far since HT of normal time
Fair play to Odhran Lynch, stepped up big time in the shootout
Armagh need to go to penalty school
Very cruel on Armagh but Derry's last 2 penalties were outstanding.
Derry win 3-1 on penalties. More heartbreak on a shootout for Armagh.
Armagh didn't kick on in the first half of extra time when a man up
Better team won.
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 14, 2023, 06:34:05 PM
Armagh worse than England at penalties
Was thinking too that Armagh are becoming the GAA's version of England when it comes to penalties 😂
Missed out on All-Ireland semi final and now on Ulster title via a bloody penalty shootout.
Delighted for the players.
Doire Abu
What a game. Tight, hard to watch at times but nail biting to the end.
Congrats Derry.
Well done Derry!
Surprised BBC asked the question of Ciaran Menagh if he would still be manager next week. Felt he gave a good reply in the circumstances
Commiserations to Armagh. Penalties a tough way to decide it.
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 14, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
Surprised BBC asked the question of Ciaran Menagh if he would still be manager next week. Felt he gave a good reply in the circumstances
So did RTE
Jesus this lad likes to talk
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 14, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
Surprised BBC asked the question of Ciaran Menagh if he would still be manager next week. Felt he gave a good reply in the circumstances
What did he say?
Any chance Ciaran McLaughlin would f**k up
Armagh lose it on the line?
Oh... well said on management
Joanne Cantwell with a stupid question to Ciaran Whelan about Conor Glass and Brian Fenton.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 14, 2023, 06:36:34 PM
Better team won.
Draw was fair reflection in the 90 minutes whereby both had opportunities to win it. Whatever about other sports it's hard to warm to penalty shootouts in GAA especially in finals like today but what can be done in such congested season. Derry will be favourites to top their group now, Armagh go in with Galway,Tyrone and neither at home.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 14, 2023, 06:45:13 PM
Armagh lose it on the line?
Overly complicated game plan. They'd a 2 club wind advantage twice, with much better forwards to utilise such a wind, and were never urgent with it. You'd expect u14 club managers to drive forward in those circumstances. Especially when Derry's proven flaw is that they don't recover from big deficits
people saying provincials are alive because of one close final out of four these the same people who probably said provincials were dead a few hours ago.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 14, 2023, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 14, 2023, 06:45:13 PM
Armagh lose it on the line?
Overly complicated game plan. They'd a 2 club wind advantage twice, with much better forwards to utilise such a wind, and were never urgent with it. You'd expect u14 club managers to drive forward in those circumstances. Especially when Derry's proven flaw is that they don't recover from big deficits
The killer for me was the lack of urgency from Armagh in ET when they had a man advantage. They were playing the much better stuff since HT of normal time and Derry looked to almost be on the ropes - yet 1 point was all that Armagh got out of that period. They were too happy to let Derry keep the ball and waste time.
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
Quote from: full moon on May 14, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
A quality manager. Malachy ORourke or Jim McGuinness wouldn't have allowed armagh to be 2pts up with 4 to go and lose it. All this defensive nous yet left Morgan on McGuigan all day? Baffling but not surprising by Geezer and co.
Will never get a better chance.
QuoteDraw was fair reflection in the 90 minutes whereby both had opportunities to win it. Whatever about other sports it's hard to warm to penalty shootouts in GAA especially in finals like today but what can be done in such congested season. Derry will be favourites to top their group now, Armagh go in with Galway,Tyrone and neither at home.
Next score wins if times up? Johnno used to do that for all our training matches in school no matter what the score was 😀
Didn't see et or penalties but I couldn't believe when Morgan was in the parade. Radio said he fouled on the 65 and it was brought in for descent for mcguigan to send it to penalties. Who was doing the talking back??
Quote from: redzone on May 14, 2023, 07:19:05 PM
Didn't see et or penalties but I couldn't believe when Morgan was in the parade. Radio said he fouled on the 65 and it was brought in for descent for mcguigan to send it to penalties. Who was doing the talking back??
Another Cross man, Oneill. Shock.. and he's captain? Clown
Quote from: square_ball on May 14, 2023, 06:44:47 PM
Quote from: CK_Redhand on May 14, 2023, 06:41:21 PM
Surprised BBC asked the question of Ciaran Menagh if he would still be manager next week. Felt he gave a good reply in the circumstances
What did he say?
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1657807511649484800
Quote from: full moon on May 14, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 14, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
That makes no sense whatsoever
Ciaran Meenagh sports washing Ciaran McFaul was f**king weird.
Derry have won the Ulster championship but they've lost the PR battle.
I'm aware Meenagh is from Tyrone. He got this wrong.
Quote from: trailer on May 14, 2023, 07:38:56 PM
Ciaran Meenagh sports washing Ciaran McFaul was f**king weird.
Derry have won the Ulster championship but they've lost the PR battle.
I'm aware Meenagh is from Tyrone. He got this wrong.
If you're looking to be outraged you're doing a good job
Do you think it could be seen as a jersey clash did anyone mention it on here.
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 14, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
I don't think Armagh are soft at all tbh. They have an edge to him. I also don't think they are lacking quality players, they have a lot of individual talent there at least as much if not more than Derry.
I think you would have to look at tactics and the way they are set up. I'm not sure exactly, although Derry are very difficult team to play against no doubt about it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 07:39:53 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 14, 2023, 07:38:56 PM
Ciaran Meenagh sports washing Ciaran McFaul was f**king weird.
Derry have won the Ulster championship but they've lost the PR battle.
I'm aware Meenagh is from Tyrone. He got this wrong.
If you're looking to be outraged you're doing a good job
I'm not outraged.
Was there a big thank you for Rory Gallagher in the speech or did he manage to avoid it someway. Wasntb shown on tv.
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I think it was two evenly matched teams, draw fair result. I thought neither team utilised the wind so it wasn't just McGeeney. Derry were in an excellent place at HT and didn't push on, likewise Armagh in 1st period of extra time. Hard to figure why.
Armagh showed how to stop Derry without having the quality at the other end. Ulster the most competitive but got a feeling they have the weakest top teams
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2023, 07:31:58 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 14, 2023, 07:30:31 PM
Quote from: full moon on May 14, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
That makes no sense whatsoever
They were 2 points up. They couldn't close the deal. Sylvie knew how to win and he said you can't win anything without a few tinkers.
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 07:43:08 PM
Was there a big thank you for Rory Gallagher in the speech or did he manage to avoid it someway. Wasntb shown on tv.
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I think it was two evenly matched teams, draw fair result. I thought neither team utilised the wind so it wasn't just McGeeney. Derry were in an excellent place at HT and didn't push on, likewise Armagh in 1st period of extra time. Hard to figure why.
Was on BBCNI he thanked the management. I'd imagine they were instructed not to mention RG, the Ulster council chaps were probably on edge it would come up
Quote from: Itchy on May 14, 2023, 07:43:08 PM
Was there a big thank you for Rory Gallagher in the speech or did he manage to avoid it someway. Wasntb shown on tv.
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I think it was two evenly matched teams, draw fair result. I thought neither team utilised the wind so it wasn't just McGeeney. Derry were in an excellent place at HT and didn't push on, likewise Armagh in 1st period of extra time. Hard to figure why.
Was shown on one of the channels and he did a good job on that front
The Jersey situation was f**king ridiculous, shouldn't be allowed, even Armagh v Down wasn't great.
Poor enough game but obviously tense & plenty of excitement for the fans concerned. Hard to be overly critical of Armagh as it was always going to be a very tight game that could go to the wire. Rian O'Neill & Conor O'Neill probably our 2 best imo, Ethan in nets looked like he was in a mental battle with himself all day, the soft goal ultimately very very costly. Lynch, whom I've generally thought is one of the worst inter county GKs on show had a great game.
Don't know if it's just me but I think that while that loss will obviously sting the fact we weren't 'beaten' means the psychological recovery shouldn't be as bad as an outright defeat (could be wrong and it could be worse!). A win v Westmeath should steady the ship, I can't for a second think we would underestimate them.
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Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
I don't think Armagh are soft at all tbh. They have an edge to him. I also don't think they are lacking quality players, they have a lot of individual talent there at least as much if not more than Derry.
I think you would have to look at tactics and the way they are set up. I'm not sure exactly, although Derry are very difficult team to play against no doubt about it.
I do. Winning matches is about control. Galway had to develop a hard edge as part of what they learnt last year. Armagh may have good players but they operate with a ceiling that they shouldn't need.
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Quote from: full moon on May 14, 2023, 07:12:24 PM
Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
I don't think Armagh are soft at all tbh. They have an edge to him. I also don't think they are lacking quality players, they have a lot of individual talent there at least as much if not more than Derry.
I think you would have to look at tactics and the way they are set up. I'm not sure exactly, although Derry are very difficult team to play against no doubt about it.
I do. Winning matches is about control. Galway had to develop a hard edge as part of what they learnt last year. Armagh may have good players but they operate with a ceiling that they shouldn't need.
Yet Galway lost and are soft also by your strange assessment
Surely Armagh fans will wake up and smell the coffee
McGeeney has run his course, well before the last year or 2 of uprising.
They had no balls today to go and win the game. Far too cautious, looked happy enough to stay on level terms with Derry and just get the draw.
Derry dictated the game from start to finish bar that period in Extra time. They latched on a score throughout the game to respond to Armagh to keep them within a point or two all the time.
Any other county would have got rid but they're blind to it.
Completely filled the togs
Was that Ronan Gallagher on the Derry line today? An innocent in all this I know, just clocked it watching it back.
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Do you think it could be seen as a jersey clash did anyone mention it on here.
Was very surprised the good guys weren't in the white jersey with red hoop kit.
Deliberate decision to go with the red jersey.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2023, 08:03:39 PM
Was that Ronan Gallagher on the Derry line today? An innocent in all this I know, just clocked it watching it back.
Goalkeeping coach
Well done to Derry. Commiserations Armagh. It was desperate at times and also exhilarating. Not sure what the wide count was but Armagh will definitely regret a few. Rogers fist that went the outside of the post would've put 3 in it and I thought Derry had blown it. But in the end Armagh didn't go for the kill.
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Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
I don't think Armagh are soft at all tbh. They have an edge to him. I also don't think they are lacking quality players, they have a lot of individual talent there at least as much if not more than Derry.
I think you would have to look at tactics and the way they are set up. I'm not sure exactly, although Derry are very difficult team to play against no doubt about it.
I do. Winning matches is about control. Galway had to develop a hard edge as part of what they learnt last year. Armagh may have good players but they operate with a ceiling that they shouldn't need.
Yet Galway lost and are soft also by your strange assessment
I said that Galway developed a hard edge. They haven't lost yet. Do keep up.
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Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
It was there for the taking for both sides during the 90 plus minutes and nothing to do about softness.
Who got the man of the match awards on RTE and BBC? Shane McGuigan was the best player on show today imo. I thought he was just an out and out scoring full forward when he came onto the scene but he has developed superbly over the last year or so.
Armagh do not have the players Galway have
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 08:03:21 PM
Surely Armagh fans will wake up and smell the coffee
McGeeney has run his course, well before the last year or 2 of uprising.
They had no balls today to go and win the game. Far too cautious, looked happy enough to stay on level terms with Derry and just get the draw.
Derry dictated the game from start to finish bar that period in Extra time. They latched on a score throughout the game to respond to Armagh to keep them within a point or two all the time.
Any other county would have got rid but they’re blind to it.
Completely filled the togs
Probably the worst take of the match I've read. I have no dog in fight but if that's WUM attempt you must try harder.
Without reading back these are my initial raw assessments.
Firstly congratulations to Derry. Fully deserved winners. The rest of what I am going to say should not distract from that and hopefully won't be seen as sour grapes.
I have become disenfranchised by the game I grew up idolising.
The skills are no longer prioritised.
The man on man battles and getting the better of your direct opponent has disappeared in favour of systems.
Penalties are no way to end to a match particularly when there is no need.
The Ulster Championship should be starting today not ending.
The fiasco over Pay Per View
All of it leaves a sour taste.
On the game itself both teams gave their all and I think both will still have a say in the championship. The mistake on the goal was crucial and allowed Derry to control the game.
In extra time Armagh fell back into old bad habits when the game was there to be won.
I felt Derry were better at their system and better tactically but Armagh had the (very slightly) more talented team.
McGuigan and Glass were class. O'Neill and Duffy likewise.
Gough had a good game but again referees need more help.
Derry should win their group. Two weeks time will be crucial for Armagh.
Quote from: square_ball on May 14, 2023, 08:27:52 PM
Who got the man of the match awards on RTE and BBC? Shane McGuigan was the best player on show today imo. I thought he was just an out and out scoring full forward when he came onto the scene but he has developed superbly over the last year or so.
Shane McGuigan on RTE.
Strange game with both teams negating eachother to a fair degree. The fabled "Derry are useless under a high ball" didn't materialise and the 2 or so Armagh did try were comfortably dealt with. For all the talk of Murnin I thought he was destroyed.
The introduction of Campbell was a fair turning point as I thought we'd kept them at bay well until he came on. He's a game changer and something Derry are badly lacking since Bradley's departure.
Thought Gough was very sore on us Rafferty took as long as Lynchy at least 3 times and no whistle for him. Also denied us a couple of nailed on frees and gave Armagh a few handy ones.
Serious heart and spirit on display from both teams with Rian O'Neill and McGuigan getting important scores at important times.
Overall I thought we were a wee bit better. Had Rogers scored that fisted effort to put us 3 clear it would have been over but Armagh dug in and found a way to get it back when we were coming out with possession in the last play.
Given what the disruption this week the players were a credit to themselves today. Lynch's saves were outstanding and the penalties we scored were fantastic. Onwards and upwards!!
We need to improve though if we'd want to trouble Kerry/Dubs/Galway.
Also Brendan Rogers is a phenomenal athlete he had another great game today!
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Armagh showed how to stop Derry without having the quality at the other end. Ulster the most competitive but got a feeling they have the weakest top teams
Agree.
Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
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Surely Armagh fans will wake up and smell the coffee
McGeeney has run his course, well before the last year or 2 of uprising.
They had no balls today to go and win the game. Far too cautious, looked happy enough to stay on level terms with Derry and just get the draw.
Derry dictated the game from start to finish bar that period in Extra time. They latched on a score throughout the game to respond to Armagh to keep them within a point or two all the time.
Any other county would have got rid but they're blind to it.
Completely filled the togs
Probably the worse take of the match I've read. I have no dog in fight but if that's WUM attempt you must try harder.
Worst*
It's a stated opinion. He hasn't delivered in his time in charge. That's a fact .
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Quote from: square_ball on May 14, 2023, 08:27:52 PM
Who got the man of the match awards on RTE and BBC? Shane McGuigan was the best player on show today imo. I thought he was just an out and out scoring full forward when he came onto the scene but he has developed superbly over the last year or so.
Shane McGuigan on RTE.
Rodgers got it on BBC
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
It's a stated opinion. He hasn't delivered in his time in charge. That's a fact .
It's childish attempt for some attention off Armagh supporters than "stated opinion" on how today's keenly contested encounter played out and in the end decided on a penalty shootout.
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Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
They are too soft. The match was there for the taking. Going to penalties means no control.
I don't think Armagh are soft at all tbh. They have an edge to him. I also don't think they are lacking quality players, they have a lot of individual talent there at least as much if not more than Derry.
I think you would have to look at tactics and the way they are set up. I'm not sure exactly, although Derry are very difficult team to play against no doubt about it.
I do. Winning matches is about control. Galway had to develop a hard edge as part of what they learnt last year. Armagh may have good players but they operate with a ceiling that they shouldn't need.
Yet Galway lost and are soft also by your strange assessment
I said that Galway developed a hard edge. They haven't lost yet. Do keep up.
Have they? Ok so no all Ireland this year can we say they are soft again?
Just a few thoughts from the game:
Shane McGuigan was superb.
Thought young McEvoy had a very solid game at the back too.
Rogers is some athlete.
Rian O'Neill had a great game for Armagh too, kicked some scores.
Soupy Campbell is a great option off the bench but is he too good not to start?
Armagh's forwards in general looked more likely to clip over a score than ours did.
Ethan Doc didn't look like threatening the scoreboard and Paul Cassidy had a few poor decisions to shoot.
Thought Armagh's tackling was extremely poor and a different ref would have punished it much more. Nowhere near the ball a lot of the time.
so is derrys home kit white they must play in red that often that people thought red was their home.
In the words of the late great Eamon Coleman " Youse boys know nathin".
Delighted for the lads today. Commiserations to Armagh. Doire abú.
While O'Neil was great he actually lost the game at the end, well before the penalty miss
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 14, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
If he'd burst someone's kidney you'd be salivating over him.
Here what the f**k was the craic with that tr**p twisting McGuigans fingers??
Seems to have been mentioned a few times online. Why would that not be a red?
Exciting in the closing stages and extra time but a hard watch overall. Was surprised at the lack of composure at key moments. Perhaps Derry were rattled by the events of the last few days but didn't look like a contender based on that. Maybe they'll look at it just being enough to win in these circumstances, regardless of how it was achieved. Beautiful chance for Armagh with a nice run to the final and then their opponents thrown into a storm before the game. Match was very much there for the taking too, a real missed opportunity.
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Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
If he'd burst someone's kidney you'd be salivating over him.
That onion bag was for you smicker! Atta boy Ciaran!
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It's a stated opinion. He hasn't delivered in his time in charge. That's a fact .
It's childish attempt for some attention off Armagh supporters than "stated opinion" on how today's keenly contested encounter played out and in the end decided on a penalty shootout.
So you don't think Armagh should have won the game from a winning position? Sound.
No comment either on McGeeney's achievements during his time in charge. Silence tells me all I need to know. Hard truths
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Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
If he'd burst someone's kidney you'd be salivating over him.
That onion bag was for you smicker! Atta boy Ciaran!
Birds of a feather, tr**p together?
First up, congratulations to Derry and the vast majority of their fans.
Brendan Rodgers is my favourite non Armagh player. What an athlete and just gets on with things
Gough done well.
We lacked composure and a killer instinct. Burns taking a fisted point instead of bursting the net at the end of the first half of extra time being a case in point. And was, IMO, the reason we didn't win.
Penalties. I hate them.
Again. Wel done Derry. Maybe we will meet again later on the year
That was an exciting last 25 minutes. McGuigan really took the game by the scruff as did Glass when he was needed.
Always think Campbell will be a key player when he comes on, and rarely disappoints.
There's just something about Armagh when they have a game to win - always seem to look for a leader to pull them over the line and it's not there. Not far off though.
Much of the game was turgid. But I think we just need to expect to see that now when two good sides meet.
Well done to the Derry lads didnt hit top gear no manager at the helm,turmoil all week,preparations disrupted,Derry Gaa vilified from everyone and there granny,Back to Back Ulster champions proud of the team today.
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2023, 09:45:59 PM
Here what the f**k was the craic with that tr**p twisting McGuigans fingers??
Seems to have been mentioned a few times online. Why would that not be a red?
Maybe you should look at some of the off the ball antics of Derry.
In all honesty I thought the game today was a pile of crap with a few exciting bits. Armagh spent the league trying to get a defensive gameplan and Derry managed to get a scrappy goal and 3 fisted points. Add to that the lack of focus through league on forward play came to roost with bad wides and wrong options being taken. They need to go back to playing to their strengths. When a top forward they Cian Mcconville sits on the bench it suggests you are more concerned with not losing than winning.
I also detest penalties...probably because Armagh have been so bad at them. But have rules changed that keepers can charge off the line at each kick?
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Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 08:38:54 PM
It's a stated opinion. He hasn't delivered in his time in charge. That's a fact .
It's childish attempt for some attention off Armagh supporters than "stated opinion" on how today's keenly contested encounter played out and in the end decided on a penalty shootout.
So you don't think Armagh should have won the game from a winning position? Sound.
No comment either on McGeeney's achievements during his time in charge. Silence tells me all I need to know. Hard truths
You seem obsessed with McGeeny.
What do you think he should have won?
1 Ulster's. 3 Ulster's. 2 Ulster's and a Sam?
What would you have considered success.
While you're at it tell me who should replace him
What antics were Derry at? The only thing I saw was McGuigan charging after the ball in the middle of getting treatment which wasn't great. Other than that I didn't see anything dirty from us!
Just saw Flynn and Keegan tell us Tyrone are still the team to beat in Ulster anyway so what even is the point of the Ulster championship?
Brilliant game but a disappointing result.
Half way through the second half I thought the best we could hope for was extra time. Armagh must have kicked twice as many wides as Derry. But that might be partisan thinking.
We pulled it out of the bag, only to let it slip back in.
I thought the ref was fair enough. He let the game flow and any mistakes evened out.
Derry should definitely have worn theor white with red hoop - that is probably what cost us the game :-\
Armagh have had three penalty shoot-outs and lost all three. Should we have brought on a specialist keeper at the end?
What was mc kinless at before o neill hit that 50 in second half?
Quote from: Orior on May 14, 2023, 10:22:52 PM
Armagh have had three penalty shoot-outs and lost all three. Should we have brought on a specialist keeper at the end?
Would any keeper in Ireland have saved Glass or McFaul's penalties? I don't think so.
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Clash of jersies??? Why are Derry not in white?
Derry wore their away jerseys today
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Quote from: Orior on May 14, 2023, 10:22:52 PM
Armagh have had three penalty shoot-outs and lost all three. Should we have brought on a specialist keeper at the end?
Would any keeper in Ireland have saved Glass or McFaul's penalties? I don't think so.
Don't think any keeper in GAA or Soccer would have saved them.. 2 cracking pens
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2023, 10:19:33 PM
What antics were Derry at? The only thing I saw was McGuigan charging after the ball in the middle of getting treatment which wasn't great. Other than that I didn't see anything dirty from us!
Just saw Flynn and Keegan tell us Tyrone are still the team to beat in Ulster anyway so what even is the point of the Ulster championship?
If anyone was guilty of off the ball it was nugent and oneill.
How armagh didn't get a black I the first half too when cassidy was dragged down I don't know.
Derry would today without playing well.
If Armagh could beat us today given the week that has just gone by, I don't k ow if they ever would.
Still not seeing any grounds for the claims that armagh have better players.
Quote from: downtown on May 14, 2023, 10:24:39 PM
What was mc kinless at before o neill hit that 50 in second half?
Stretching his back or something like that. I've seen him doing it before games and at various points in games for the best part of the last two years watching Derry.
The Derry team has been wearing the Red geansai pretty much all the time the past few years. I'm sure had the Ulster Council advised them to change they would have. We wore the white kit against Louth in the league.
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2023, 10:33:25 PM
The Derry team has been wearing the Red geansai pretty much all the time the past few years. I'm sure had the Ulster Council advised them to change they would have. We wore the white kit against Louth in the league.
It wasn't a severe clash at the actual game, but perhaps it would on a cheap TV.
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Armagh have had three penalty shoot-outs and lost all three. Should we have brought on a specialist keeper at the end?
Would any keeper in Ireland have saved Glass or McFaul's penalties? I don't think so.
Don't think any keeper in GAA or Soccer would have saved them.. 2 cracking pens
Much harder for the goalie than any of the Armagh efforts.Perhaps Armagh will learn to stay ahead in extra time, since they are shite at penalties.
I did previously suggest in jest that they should have investigated bringing on Aimee Mackin from the previous game to the penalties.
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2023, 10:19:33 PM
What antics were Derry at? The only thing I saw was McGuigan charging after the ball in the middle of getting treatment which wasn't great. Other than that I didn't see anything dirty from us!
Just saw Flynn and Keegan tell us Tyrone are still the team to beat in Ulster anyway so what even is the point of the Ulster championship?
I just caught this and couldn't believe what I was hearing. There's not a massive gap between Derry and Armagh. And if Tyrone had been narrowly beaten by either you could understand it. But theyve won 1 championship game since the all Ireland of 2021 and were beaten by both Derry and Armagh last year in championship.
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It's a stated opinion. He hasn't delivered in his time in charge. That's a fact .
It's childish attempt for some attention off Armagh supporters than "stated opinion" on how today's keenly contested encounter played out and in the end decided on a penalty shootout.
So you don't think Armagh should have won the game from a winning position? Sound.
No comment either on McGeeney's achievements during his time in charge. Silence tells me all I need to know. Hard truths
You seem obsessed with McGeeny.
What do you think he should have won?
1 Ulster's. 3 Ulster's. 2 Ulster's and a Sam?
What would you have considered success.
While you're at it tell me who should replace him
Seems to have some strange obsession McGeeney alright. Armagh was penalty shootout win away from reaching the All Ireland semi final last year and winning Ulster today. Had Derry or Galway lost those two shootouts would the so called stated opinion be they "Completely filled the togs"
Quote from: screenexile on May 14, 2023, 10:19:33 PM
What antics were Derry at? The only thing I saw was McGuigan charging after the ball in the middle of getting treatment which wasn't great. Other than that I didn't see anything dirty from us!
Just saw Flynn and Keegan tell us Tyrone are still the team to beat in Ulster anyway so what even is the point of the Ulster championship?
I saw a good bit along with plenty of 'game management'. Sean Hurson tried to bring it to referees attention a few times. Still no use debating at this stage. Maybe Armagh's biggest problem is that they aren't as cute as other teams and many people believe the narrative that that are a team of bodybuilding MMA artists.
Because they've done it again and again, how many false dawns have Armagh had? They're the mayo of ulster
Tyrone for their "flukey" and "the softest ever AI won" still did the business in 2021. Small margins, but that's what separates the great from the very good.
There is a talented Armagh team there with arguably better footballers than Derry today but they need a top manager to bring them to the next level.
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Quote from: Orior on May 14, 2023, 10:22:52 PM
Armagh have had three penalty shoot-outs and lost all three. Should we have brought on a specialist keeper at the end?
Would any keeper in Ireland have saved Glass or McFaul's penalties? I don't think so.
Don't think any keeper in GAA or Soccer would have saved them.. 2 cracking pens
Absolutely.
Think a bit off the Armagh reaction is OTT. Disappointing to lose for sure and Derry certainly worthy winners but there was nothing between the teams. McGuigan had probably is best championship appearance and contributed more in play than I've ever seen him. Turbitt was quiet. Play the game next week and it could easily be the other way around.
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 14, 2023, 10:43:24 PM
Because they've done it again and again, how many false dawns have Armagh had? They're the mayo of ulster
Tyrone for their "flukey" and "the softest ever AI won" still did the business in 2021. Small margins, but that's what separates the great from the very good.
There is a talented Armagh team there with arguably better footballers than Derry today but they need a top manager to bring them to the next level.
Your last line is spot on
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Armagh won't get a better chance than that. They're missing something.
A quality manager. Malachy ORourke or Jim McGuinness wouldn't have allowed armagh to be 2pts up with 4 to go and lose it. All this defensive nous yet left Morgan on McGuigan all day? Baffling but not surprising by Geezer and co.
Will never get a better chance.
Several hours later, gripe still stands. Frustrating knowing what armagh could do with a top top manager
Enjoyable game. Pressure cooker stuff. Penalties are a harsh way to do things but gets you a result on the day. Thought Armagh had it wrapped up in extra time.
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Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
If he'd burst someone's kidney you'd be salivating over him.
That onion bag was for you smicker! Atta boy Ciaran!
Where do you think his best position is for Derry? He came on at wing half but he usually plays in a more central role for Glen and i think that suits him better, especially when linking up with his clubmate Glass.
Glass was outstanding today. Lots of talk about Rogers and mcGuigan, but it was Glass who held it together for them in extra time.
A decent game but lacked real intensity, Armagh should have saw the game out. Fine margins between both teams. Unfortunately, for Armagh , Ethan Rafferty is a far better outfield player than he is a GK. ( Goal today was terrible). He has no presence on the line, makes some poor GK decisions. Even in the penalties, he looked small in comparison to Lynch( who is a converted outfield player as well). Harsh but true!
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Clear black for Morgan.
Gough has been atrocious
Yeah, how the commentators didn't even mention that was a joke.
Derry player let the ball run around him and Morgan clearly tripped him. Deliberately.
A clear black card.
Derry in general were poor today but still won, that's the only big plus from the game, some players were good, some were poor, but Derry still insist on playing the same forwards every game but get zero scoring from them, I can't understand it, I rather Play McWillians when fit, start McFaul( he not up to match sharpness so needs the games, and seems afraid to shoot, same lad got u 2/3pts a game last year) also Need play Downeys lad as well. Happy to win a 2nd Ulster cause I think there no all-Ireland on the table for either team. Derry showed a lack of a bench in extra time. They do need Bradley bck for the remaining games this year, hopefully big Brown from Australia nxt year. Some lads who left the Derry panel, Dougan, Kearney etc, I think should be asked bck nxt Yr if stand out in this yrs championship. Mccullagh of Slaughtneil looks a good player coming too. Gough, gave Derry nothing especially in the first half.
Another Ulster title today which, considering the week that was in it and probably a collective 5/10 performance, but still able to get over the line, that shows real character.
Gough made some strange calls and missed a glaring black and 2 reds, but it's an impossible job and one I wouldn't want.
Surrounded by some really decent Armagh folk. Before the penalties, all in agreement that penalties are no way to decide a game of this importance.
Clones Town on Ulster Final day, is there anywhere like it in the world? Walking through it with the kids trying to view it through 11/12 year old eyes, mad! :) first time I've ever seen the 2 bag checks, one on the road up the hill and one outside the entrance to the Hill terrace. We were in the quieter O'Duffy terrace, some amount of half bottle of Bucky lying at the end, christ knows what the Hill was like!
Hard luck Armagh. Looking forward to the round robin now.
Derry good displays in McAvoy. Rodgers and McGuigan, but I thought none stood taller than Glass in extra time. As I thought Derry were gone. Derry have very strong underage Coming through do I expect Derry to start to contest a few more finals over the nxt 5yrs.
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:09:46 AM
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Yes, but a tie breaker could be kicking 45s or throwing the ball up between two players, it does not have to be penalties.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2023, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:09:46 AM
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Yes, but a tie breaker could be kicking 45s or throwing the ball up between two players, it does not have to be penalties.
Or have another 10 minute period of extra time and the next score wins.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2023, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:09:46 AM
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Yes, but a tie breaker could be kicking 45s or throwing the ball up between two players, it does not have to be penalties.
Each team has to pick one player each. They line up on opposing 45s. Run full pelt and hit shoulder to shoulder. If one man drops the other team wins. If both or neither drop, pick 2 more players and go again.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2023, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:09:46 AM
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Yes, but a tie breaker could be kicking 45s or throwing the ball up between two players, it does not have to be penalties.
They had this and people complained.
What's the difference in taking 45s and taking penalties, besides the fact that those terrible soccer hooligans have penalty shootouts? That's what this is really all about.
Big notch for Meenagh managing a team to a Ulster title,
Watched a bit back there... what in the name of all that's holy was Cassidy doing with a minute left of extra time taking that no look acute angle shot?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:28:03 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2023, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:09:46 AM
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Yes, but a tie breaker could be kicking 45s or throwing the ball up between two players, it does not have to be penalties.
They had this and people complained.
What's the difference in taking 45s and taking penalties, besides the fact that those terrible soccer hooligans have penalty shootouts? That's what this is really all about.
I have no issue with penalties - scoring goals, and scoring goals from penalties have been skills in the GAA for a long time. So have saving goals, and saving penalties. So you get 2 players involved in each action.
I would have loved if they had a free taking competition, from varying angles and distances with the kicks getting progressively more difficult, then back in to easier kicks. But you can only use each player once. Would be very tactical, how much 'risk' you take with the poorer kickers on the easy kicks etc.
i dont mind penalties but alternative could be golden score or first to 2 points
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2023, 02:04:53 AM
i dont mind penalties but alternative could be golden score or first to 2 points
would be pretty tough tho if there's a gale force wind blowing one way
There are going to be 2 sharks lurking in the water at the quarter final stage. There are 4 quarter finals so Derry have a 50% chance of playing either Tyrone or Mayo.They would obviously beat Kildare or Cork....
https://youtu.be/0Wi8Fv0AJA4
Fair play to Derry. probably on the day the better of two very evenly matched teams and only just deserved to win. Armagh had chances to go for the jugular and although I'll need to watch it back, surely the Jarly Og goal chance can't be as easy as it looked from the Hill? The top teams would have punished that and I think that's the difference between Armagh and Kerry, Galway, Dublin etc.
I'm really gutted for some of the older players, they've soldiered on for 10+ years and they'll probably never win an Ulster title now, yesterday was their chance. For all the criticism Jemar Hall gets, he was fairly missed yesterday!
Would it not have been an option for armagh to replace rafferty with a proper keeper for penalties?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:28:03 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2023, 12:12:07 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2023, 12:09:46 AM
I really don't understand where this "penalties have no place in the GAA" nonsense comes from. Name me any sport that doesn't have a tie breaker. It comes across as typical anti- soccer rubbish.
Yes, but a tie breaker could be kicking 45s or throwing the ball up between two players, it does not have to be penalties.
They had this and people complained.
What's the difference in taking 45s and taking penalties, besides the fact that those terrible soccer hooligans have penalty shootouts? That's what this is really all about.
Penalties is another issue linked with the split season. The could organise things differently. Eg replay 7 days later, one replay only.
Derry and Armagh are next playing in 2 weeks...
The next time it matters is the preliminary qfs. There is no time between this part and the quarter finals but there are 2 weeks both between the quarter finals and the semis and between the semis and the final. so you could have penalties at the the preliminary qfs stage but replays afterwards .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship
Quote from: An Watcher on May 15, 2023, 07:20:00 AM
Would it not have been an option for armagh to replace rafferty with a proper keeper for penalties?
8)
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 15, 2023, 08:11:58 AM
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
We could have had a replay!
Next Saturday would have worked
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 15, 2023, 08:11:58 AM
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
Nothing penalties are great its up to one of the teams to win it before that.
Quote from: naka on May 15, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 15, 2023, 08:11:58 AM
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
We could have had a replay!
Next Saturday would have worked
would people not then moan about teams not getting a rest suppose are going to moan no matter what.
Thats a lot to ask of the players who have already played 90+ minutes of football and have three group games coming up.
Also if the replay ended in a draw what would you propose then? Are penalties only acceptable after weve flogged every last breath out of these lads?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: naka on May 15, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 15, 2023, 08:11:58 AM
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
We could have had a replay!
Next Saturday would have worked
Ffs the season is over in 10 weeks
would people not then moan about teams not getting a rest suppose are going to moan no matter what.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2023, 08:18:07 AM
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 15, 2023, 08:11:58 AM
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
Nothing penalties are great its up to one of the teams to win it before that.
I agree 1000%. Both teams had 100 minutes to win the game. Penalties are great for the fans too. It is only good for our game
Quote from: An Watcher on May 15, 2023, 07:20:00 AM
Would it not have been an option for armagh to replace rafferty with a proper keeper for penalties?
That's harsh he saved one and guessed wrong for McGuigans... nobody is saving the Glass or McFaul penalties!
Congrats Derry.
Thought Rogers amazing first half.
Glass and McGuigan had great games too.
Surprised none of ye discussing the incident in the 18th min of extra time where Rian O'Neill seemed to go down holding his chest, reacting to McGuigan.
Did he bite him or was it play acting?
McGuigan was getting a lot of attention all game.
Few thoughts
Armagh should've won it. Just lacked that bit of leadership to get them over the line.
Rafferty had a great game and a terrible game. Thought he was weak enough at the pens and obv at fault for the goal but kicked some brilliant scores. He couldn't find an Armagh jersey with his KO near the end when he needed to.
McGuigan had brilliant game. Morgan struggled on him. He should've been black carded for the hand trip.
McKaigue is another baller.
Glass is one of the best footballers playing at the minute.
Soupy bought that free at the end. Clever, clever play. They should've started him.
Thought Pens was a great way to finish the game.
It wasn't a great game but it was enthralling. It lacked quality. Lots of poor shots and wides.
Ulster championship is the only provincial worth watching because it has so many good teams. GAA needs to learn from this. Create a championship league with 8 or 10 teams and you'll get close games like this most weeks.
Quote from: Eire90 on May 15, 2023, 08:18:51 AM
Quote from: naka on May 15, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
Quote from: jmcgdoire on May 15, 2023, 08:11:58 AM
I'm yet to hear a good argument against penalties.
The game needs to end at some point.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with using a penalty shootout?
We could have had a replay!
Next Saturday would have worked
would people not then moan about teams not getting a rest suppose are going to moan no matter what.
100%. If it was a replay you'd have people (correctly) complaining about the load on the players or that the refs are instructed to play for the draw so the GAA can rake it in.
If the decision has been made to decide it on the day (which in a condensed championship and managing the load on the players I think is the right one) then penalties is as good as anything.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 15, 2023, 08:39:35 AM
Congrats Derry.
Thought Rogers amazing first half.
Glass and McGuigan had great games too.
Surprised none of ye discussing the incident in the 18th min of extra time where Rian O'Neill seemed to go down holding his chest, reacting to McGuigan.
Did he bite him or was it play acting?
McGuigan was getting a lot of attention all game.
He seemed to recover very quickly when he realised he wasn't getting anything for it
I love penalties. Adds drama and excitement.
Both teams have had a match plus extra time to win but couldn't, so penalties is a test of forward v forward a lnd keeper v keeper, but mostly a test of nerve.
Yesterday Derry won all 3 thankfully.
What a battle! Derry got over the line but the team sat too deep at times, similar to the first half of the Dublin game in Celtic Park and when Armagh pressed them high up the pitch they didnt let the ball into the space behind and struggled to make ground. The team seemed to lack the high intensity turn of pace which could even be possibly noted during there warm up drill with the fumbles. Lucky to get out of Clones with the W. Both team lift all on the pitch. Commiserations to the Armagh team, a bit of composure and they had it.
I'm angry this morning. We had that won and blew it. Something lacking in the Armagh team. Balls.
We could lose a premlim qf now or make the semi final. Penalties dependent.
Think there's an ulster in us but not with current management
What a game. Gutted for those lads today, penalties are a f**king disgraceful way to decide an Ulster title. On the game itself, thought we left it behind, rate us as a better side than Derry but some of our wides and decision making were awful.
Maybe orange tinted glasses but Gough was harsh on us I thought although don't know how Morgan got away with the trip on McGuigan, looked clear black card live. McGuigan and Glass are 2 serious serious footballers. Congrats to Derry, I'm sure we'll meet again either later this year or in a Ulster final next year again. Got to be tough for our lads to stomach that but hopefully the hurt drives them on through these groups and on to the big days.
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
The trip on McGuigan was a black card for me. Was right in front of me.
A tough match to referee. Could only consider his performance if I where neutral ;D
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
Probably biased. He screwed us with that kickout late on making him retake though.
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 15, 2023, 08:50:30 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 15, 2023, 08:39:35 AM
Congrats Derry.
Thought Rogers amazing first half.
Glass and McGuigan had great games too.
Surprised none of ye discussing the incident in the 18th min of extra time where Rian O'Neill seemed to go down holding his chest, reacting to McGuigan.
Did he bite him or was it play acting?
McGuigan was getting a lot of attention all game.
He seemed to recover very quickly when he realised he wasn't getting anything for it
Almost as quick as McGuigan (?) after his head "injury"
I think Armagh fans are being awful sore on themselves. There was absolutely nothing in that game it wasn't like the Galway game last year where you were outlcassed for long periods and were lucky to get back into it the game yesterday was tit for tat with both teams winning and losing it a few times.
Personally I thought Armagh's high press posed Derry a problem they haven't faced so far and really stifled our usual game. It's very hard to do for 90 minutes though which is probably why we were able to hang in that second period of extra time.
We'll have to get better at playing against it because other teams will be doing it against us from now on!
Gough was terrible. He seems to have made up a new rule where you can take 7 steps if you do it with conviction but if you take 4 steps and change your mind it's overcarrying. I wasn't happy with his performance yesterday at all and that tube Gavin in the Examiner must have been watching a different match!
Quote from: screenexile on May 15, 2023, 08:33:50 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 15, 2023, 07:20:00 AM
Would it not have been an option for armagh to replace rafferty with a proper keeper for penalties?
That's harsh he saved one and guessed wrong for McGuigans... nobody is saving the Glass or McFaul penalties!
Here it's no dig at rafferty and I'm sure the fella would admit he's not a keeper. Seriously though a proper keeper would have more experience saving penalties.
Quote from: DoireGael on May 15, 2023, 09:14:30 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
The trip on McGuigan was a black card for me. Was right in front of me.
A tough match to referee. Could only consider his performance if I where neutral ;D
Looked like a black for me as well, but Gough seemed to indicate that he clipped McGuigans heel accidentally. Haven't seen it back yet and was a fair bit away tbh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:10:54 AM
What a game. Gutted for those lads today, penalties are a f**king disgraceful way to decide an Ulster title. On the game itself, thought we left it behind, rate us as a better side than Derry but some of our wides and decision making were awful.
Maybe orange tinted glasses but Gough was harsh on us I thought although don't know how Morgan got away with the trip on McGuigan, looked clear black card live. McGuigan and Glass are 2 serious serious footballers. Congrats to Derry, I'm sure we'll meet again either later this year or in a Ulster final next year again. Got to be tough for our lads to stomach that but hopefully the hurt drives them on through these groups and on to the big days.
What do you want instead of penalties?
Assuming you say replay (which I disagree with) what would you suggest if it too ended a draw?
(And if you say 45s or frees, why is that any better than penalties?)
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
I was annoyed at him during the game but i'll watch it back later and see. Off the top of my head a few things that i felt he got wrong from a Derry PoV:
- Soupys foul at the end, he was barely touched and went down very easy.
- Lynch shouldered over the line in his own 6 yard box to win a 45 that O'Neill put over. I thought you weren't allowed to challenge the keeper in the 6 yard box.
- Lynch blown up for too long the ball was thrown up and O'Neill scored eventually - this one was maybe fair enough but he wasn't consistent as a few times Rafferty took just as long
- Should have been a black card for foul on McGuigan
On reflection some of these calls 50 50 but I felt Armagh got more of them.
I thought it was a bigger game for Armagh but after the events of last week to lose your manager and an Ulster final would have been a tough thing for Derry to come back from. Still remains to be seen what the impact of losing RG will be - he was effectively there for that game in the sense he did all the preparation work for it.
What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
It was already 30 seconds over injury time. The game was over.
Quote from: Mario on May 15, 2023, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
I was annoyed at him during the game but i'll watch it back later and see. Off the top of my head a few things that i felt he got wrong from a Derry PoV:
- Soupys foul at the end, he was barely touched and went down very easy.
- Lynch shouldered over the line in his own 6 yard box to win a 45 that O'Neill put over. I thought you weren't allowed to challenge the keeper in the 6 yard box.
- Lynch blown up for too long the ball was thrown up and O'Neill scored eventually - this one was maybe fair enough but he wasn't consistent as a few times Rafferty took just as long
- Should have been a black card for foul on McGuigan
On reflection some of these calls 50 50 but I felt Armagh got more of them.
I thought it was a bigger game for Armagh but after the events of last week to lose your manager and an Ulster final would have been a tough thing for Derry to come back from. Still remains to be seen what the impact of losing RG will be - he was effectively there for that game in the sense he did all the preparation work for it.
Ref was fine for both teams. Soupy was shoved in the back, he may have went down easily but why the hell would a player shove someone in the scoring zone is beyond me.
You can shoulder a player over the side line. Happens all the time and is correct.
Keeper was a warned before that kick out about taking too long so he should have known
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
Thought he was kind to Armagh to be honest and that your tackling was really poor. Nowhere near the ball a lot of the time and you got a couple turnovers where the Derry player was fouled. I actually like watching this Armagh team and could just as easily have won yesterday but the tackling is something that'll hold you back with another ref down the line unless improved in my opinion.
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
Was that not end of normal time? Anyway looked like it should have been our free tbh
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
That was the end of normal time... it was overcarrying but after that they were all at the same thing and nothing was happening with the ball so a hop ball was fair enough.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 09:27:10 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 15, 2023, 09:23:36 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
I was annoyed at him during the game but i'll watch it back later and see. Off the top of my head a few things that i felt he got wrong from a Derry PoV:
- Soupys foul at the end, he was barely touched and went down very easy.
- Lynch shouldered over the line in his own 6 yard box to win a 45 that O'Neill put over. I thought you weren't allowed to challenge the keeper in the 6 yard box.
- Lynch blown up for too long the ball was thrown up and O'Neill scored eventually - this one was maybe fair enough but he wasn't consistent as a few times Rafferty took just as long
- Should have been a black card for foul on McGuigan
On reflection some of these calls 50 50 but I felt Armagh got more of them.
I thought it was a bigger game for Armagh but after the events of last week to lose your manager and an Ulster final would have been a tough thing for Derry to come back from. Still remains to be seen what the impact of losing RG will be - he was effectively there for that game in the sense he did all the preparation work for it.
Ref was fine for both teams. Soupy was shoved in the back, he may have went down easily but why the hell would a player shove someone in the scoring zone is beyond me.
You can shoulder a player over the side line. Happens all the time and is correct.
Keeper was a warned before that kick out about taking too long so he should have known
You're not allowed to shoulder the keeper in the small rectangle you have to make a play on the ball!
Quote from: screenexile on May 15, 2023, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
That was the end of normal time... it was overcarrying but after that they were all at the same thing and nothing was happening with the ball so a hop ball was fair enough.
Yes it was normal time.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 15, 2023, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
Thought he was kind to Armagh to be honest and that your tackling was really poor. Nowhere near the ball a lot of the time and you got a couple turnovers where the Derry player was fouled. I actually like watching this Armagh team and could just as easily have won yesterday but the tackling is something that'll hold you back with another ref down the line unless improved in my opinion.
Have to agree with that point, Armagh's tackling has been poor for years now.
Ethan Rafferty getting a bit of grief on here, I think he had a solid performance aside from the goal.
I thought Armagh fouling was very deliberate to slow Derry Coming up the field on breaks. They seemed guilty of late hits and high too. And if u man was getting a card for twisting McGuigan fingers or whatever he was at, he should seen the line. Anyway Derry won, played poor, but its been a week were things went all Pete Tong. Should be better geared up for 2 weeks time. Am glad we won to get some sort silverware for all the hard yards the lads put in. Realistically I think Dublin win this year, with only Kerry and Galway challenging them. Getting to a semi or a final and been beat will count for nothing in the history books.
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then sounds have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
It was the old classic free given by the ref in the last minute to level it up. It was extremely soft and Campbell knew if he fell to the ground Gough was more than likely going to give the free.
Quote from: square_ball on May 15, 2023, 09:45:21 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then sounds have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
It was the old classic free given by the ref in the last minute to level it up. It was extremely soft and Campbell knew if he fell to the ground Gough was more than likely going to give the free.
The Derry man coming in. Wrong hand, made contact it was a poor attempt at a tackle when it obvious to everyone Campbell was running at them to draw contact and go down. Derry guy has to be smarter. Shadow the run, near hand. Campbell was so clever in that moment. Hats off to him.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
Yeah can't touch keeper in small box at all but i thought he was outside it. Soupys looked a free at the time but I could barely watch at that stage lol
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
You can tackle the ball but can't shoulder.. Free out if shouldered
Tbh I don't think you'd find a ref in the country who wouldn't give Campbell's free and I think it was a free but he did make the most of it lol. (Not a slight anyone does that).
I thought Lynch was standing in the square when he was put out by a shoulder though may be remembering incorrectly.
Tbh draw near enough fair result.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
You can tackle the ball but can't shoulder.. Free out if shouldered
From rule book
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
From me
I've no idea what a charge is (if is not a shoulder) and i'd guess noone does
It was a fantastic occasion yesterday and was tension filled with very little between the sides. The penalty shoot out added to the whole drama I thought and was a much better shoot out than the Galway match last year which had a bit of a sense of anti climax about it after an absorbing match. Yesterday the match itself was fairly turgid for long spells due to its overly structured nature but it got a bit better as the game wore on and due to the scoreline being on a knife edge. Tough way to lose but Armagh gave everything out on the pitch but there will be a lot of retrospective analysis in the next few days when we look back at it. Soupy not starting the match and Morgan being left on McGuigan being the major decisions but I suppose the winner writes the script and the margins are very fine. It just feels like a huge opportunity was lost but we have enough time to re-gather and still have a good cut at the AI series.
Quote from: Dabh on May 15, 2023, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
You can tackle the ball but can't shoulder.. Free out if shouldered
From rule book
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
From me
I've no idea what a charge is (if is not a shoulder) and i'd guess noone does
Never seen a time when a keeper has been tackled inside and not been given a free tbh
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:57:12 AM
Tbh I don't think you'd find a ref in the country who wouldn't give Campbell's free and I think it was a free but he did make the most of it lol. (Not a slight anyone does that).
I thought Lynch was standing in the square when he was put out by a shoulder though may be remembering incorrectly.
Tbh draw near enough fair result.
100% I thought Campbells was a free McFaul was tackling with his near hand and was OK but Murray was behind Campbell and he tackled with the wrong hand so I had no issue with it even if he did go down a bit easy.
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
I catched the supposed foul on the keeper there again on YouTube. Armagh players doesn't even shoulder him as I first thought. Keeper runs into his chest and then turns around and steps over the white line
McPartlan starting on Rodgers was a poor call by McGeeney as well.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2023, 10:01:36 AM
It was a fantastic occasion yesterday and was tension filled with very little between the sides. The penalty shoot out added to the whole drama I thought and was a much better shoot out than the Galway match last year which had a bit of a sense of anti climax about it after an absorbing match. Yesterday the match itself was fairly turgid for long spells due to its overly structured nature but it got a bit better as the game wore on and due to the scoreline being on a knife edge. Tough way to lose but Armagh gave everything out on the pitch but there will be a lot of retrospective analysis in the next few days when we look back at it. Soupy not starting the match and Morgan being left on McGuigan being the major decisions but I suppose the winner writes the script and the margins are very fine. It just feels like a huge opportunity was lost but we have enough time to re-gather and still have a good cut at the AI series.
I like Soupy coming in when the game opens up a bit but he maybe should have been brought in sooner. Grugan should have kicked the winner and that should have been that. I thought it was too far out but when I watched it back on TV last night it was more than kickable. He was maybe just punctured at that stage of the match.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
12:27 Murray touches his back. No pressure at all but this is this is a foul by the book. Campbell went down awful easy (as any man would). Its frustrating but have to agree with Gough who I thought was very good yesterday
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 10:02:13 AM
Quote from: Dabh on May 15, 2023, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
You can tackle the ball but can't shoulder.. Free out if shouldered
From rule book
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
From me
I've no idea what a charge is (if is not a shoulder) and i'd guess noone does
Never seen a time when a keeper has been tackled inside and not been given a free tbh
Happens regularly.
Also I have no idea what a charge is.... is it a shoulder charge? If not then it's a foul anywhere on the pitch surely...
Nothing between the sides and sickening to lose out on penalties again. The way both sides approached the game in the first half I found terrible to watch, taking turns to build their way up the pitch and keep ball. Was dreading we were going to get this the whole game. It's part of the GAA dna to get stuck in and it's hard to watch teams sit off and concede possession, especially when a team like Derry are so good at keeping the ball and moving it around. Galway the same.
Derry ones will probably feel they had chances to win in normal time but can't escape the feeling that we blew it. Had the game in our hands to win at 2 key times and couldn't do it. Rory's kick had to go over, by hook or by crook, if that meant taking more steps to get an advantage. Maybe it's being harsh but that's the killer instinct we don't seem to have. In extra time, winning 2 going into the last couple of minutes. Do what it takes to get over the line. Someone show for the ball for the short kickout, win it long it or break it, go down with cramp. Whatever it takes, just get over the line.
A bit of a contradiction... I thought Derry were the better side on the day, but really Armagh should have won it. Our first half shooting was horrendous. Grugan's mark was scoreable imo. Jarly óg needed to be more ruthless bearing down on goal to kill the game (maybe i'm being harsh there?), 2 points up with minutes to play. I think a top top team gets over the line.
I felt completely flat going into the penalties.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2023, 10:20:40 AM
A bit of a contradiction... I thought Derry were the better side on the day, but really Armagh should have won it. Our first half shooting was horrendous. Grugan's mark was scoreable imo. Jarly óg needed to be more ruthless bearing down on goal to kill the game (maybe i'm being harsh there?), 2 points up with minutes to play. I think a top top team gets over the line.
I felt completely flat going into the penalties.
Probably agree with this. In normal time we led nearly the whole game but couldn't get 3 points ahead. Rogers fisted effort off the post would have done that and probably won us the game which was very frustrating at the time. The minute he got black carded and Armagh went into extra time with an extra man, the momentum, and a favourable breeze i thought we had no chance.
All the Armagh fans around me were quite happy for Jarly og to fist that over at the time - hindsight is a wonderful thing. Grugans mark wasn't easy shooting into those goals. I thought Armagh's shooting was pretty good especially against the breeze they pinged over a few beauties.
First time poster and disappointed Armagh fan. Just a few thoughts on yesterdays game. Derry are excellent in possession of the ball and rarely get turned over. Their support play and running from angles is terrific and they seem to be able to find ways to be patient and eventually cut through a blanket defense to get a score. Armagh allowing them the short kick-out was unwise. They are not a team you want to invite on to you. Armagh were much more effective when they pressed up on the Derry Kick-out but it took them a long time to cop on to this. Morgan's selection on Derry's most dangerous forward seemed a bit strange. I believe this was Morgan's first start in a competitive game in a very long time. Odd to get selected for the final on their best player who goes on to be man of the match. Armagh's inability to find an orange jersey from their own kick-out when they are under a press and possession is vital is a reoccurring problem and is one of the main reasons why they lose so many tight matches. Indiscipline and becoming overly emotional is also holding Armagh back from closing out tight games. Their key men go in full blooded and over-hyped when the pressure is at it's peak usually resulting in fouls and cards and free kicks being moved forward. This is a time in games for calm heads and cuteness not hotheads. A lot of these issues have been holding this team back from taking the next step for a long time and do not seem to be improving. Hopefully can be worked on and improved upon for the next stage of games but I am not so sure.
Quote from: JimStynes on May 15, 2023, 10:14:27 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2023, 10:01:36 AM
It was a fantastic occasion yesterday and was tension filled with very little between the sides. The penalty shoot out added to the whole drama I thought and was a much better shoot out than the Galway match last year which had a bit of a sense of anti climax about it after an absorbing match. Yesterday the match itself was fairly turgid for long spells due to its overly structured nature but it got a bit better as the game wore on and due to the scoreline being on a knife edge. Tough way to lose but Armagh gave everything out on the pitch but there will be a lot of retrospective analysis in the next few days when we look back at it. Soupy not starting the match and Morgan being left on McGuigan being the major decisions but I suppose the winner writes the script and the margins are very fine. It just feels like a huge opportunity was lost but we have enough time to re-gather and still have a good cut at the AI series.
I like Soupy coming in when the game opens up a bit but he maybe should have been brought in sooner. Grugan should have kicked the winner and that should have been that. I thought it was too far out but when I watched it back on TV last night it was more than kickable. He was maybe just punctured at that stage of the match.
I think we signalled our intent by replacing a midfielder and a forward with 2 defenders before throw in allowing the early part of the game to be played on Derrys terms. Playing soupy midfield on Rogers would have given Derry more to think about and he injected some much needed impetus into Armagh when he came on. I'd never buy the theory that you save one of your best players for the latter part of the game, we did that last season with Campbell early in the championship until he was playing so well that there was no option left but to start him. It seems like we have gone back to this train of thought again for some reason.
With the Grugan free I think it was a combination of a very stiff breeze and the fact that he looked knackered. I never felt confident when he was standing over it as his shooting range would be much closer in than a Shane McGuigan or Rian O'Neill.
https://youtu.be/LLLv8ABONac
Watching this half of extra time back four things jumped out at me.
1. Campbel lwas inspirational
2. Toner has the most unconventional freekick routine
3. Paul Cassidy had no business shooting from over his head with a minute left up by a point
4. Derry should have been fouling the Armagh men much sooner or their last attack
Cant to say either team deserved to win because really neither team deserved to lose.
Quote from: Dabh on May 15, 2023, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
You can tackle the ball but can't shoulder.. Free out if shouldered
From rule book
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
From me
I've no idea what a charge is (if is not a shoulder) and i'd guess noone does
A charge is the GAA rule-book term for a shoulder.
It's defined in the rule book.
Game had everything...boring at times, exciting at times and both teams had the chance to win it several times but couldn't put each other away. Thought Derry were the better team first half and Armagh the better team second half. The goal was fluky in a way, 9/10 times that ball is scooped up by defender or goal keeper and cleared. Derry kept chipping away and we tried to keep at it but every time we pulled it back to a 1 point game and had chances to equalise we didn't take it and then Derry would go back uo the field and go 2-3 pts up again. So frustrating at times that. For me J Og should have gone for goal and that would have been the winning of the game. The 2 points up with 3-4 mins to go in extra time was criminal not to win it from that position, the keeper lost his marbles with his kickouts at the end there and tbf to him the crowd were forcing him into the kicks and ref was close to blowing him up for it so he had to just kick them.
Overall came home last night very disappointed to have lost, we've now lost two penalty deciders which is no way to finish the game. Turn the teams around and play 5 mins each half again until someone wins (I know if we'd won, I'd prob think penalties are a great way to settle it...lol). For me if Campbell had started, we could have won the game and if KMcG have went for it from the start we could have won it instead of trying to contain Derry...The Derry keeper played very well and for me could have been man of the match as he saved 3 spot kicks and dealt well with a lot of high balls in the square. Congrats Derry on the win and for us it's back to the slog and the group of death...Armagh wouldn't have it any other way ::)
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 15, 2023, 10:40:30 AM
Quote from: Dabh on May 15, 2023, 09:58:30 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 15, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 15, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Is touching the keeper in the square at all not a foul?
Campbell when you look at it was very clever to get that foul but either team would have been at that.
You can tackle the ball but can't shoulder.. Free out if shouldered
From rule book
When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his puck, kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
From me
I've no idea what a charge is (if is not a shoulder) and i'd guess noone does
A charge is the GAA rule-book term for a shoulder.
It's defined in the rule book.
didn't realise that
Provided he has at least one foot on the ground, a player may make a shoulder-to shoulder charge on an
opponent
(a) who is in possession of the ball, or
(b) In Hurling - who is playing the ball; In Football - who is playing the ball other than when kicking it, or
(c) both players are moving in the direction of the ball to play it.
Definate free out so - Turbitt hit him a shoulder within the small rectangle
Quote from: Mario on May 15, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2023, 10:20:40 AM
A bit of a contradiction... I thought Derry were the better side on the day, but really Armagh should have won it. Our first half shooting was horrendous. Grugan's mark was scoreable imo. Jarly óg needed to be more ruthless bearing down on goal to kill the game (maybe i'm being harsh there?), 2 points up with minutes to play. I think a top top team gets over the line.
I felt completely flat going into the penalties.
Probably agree with this. In normal time we led nearly the whole game but couldn't get 3 points ahead. Rogers fisted effort off the post would have done that and probably won us the game which was very frustrating at the time. The minute he got black carded and Armagh went into extra time with an extra man, the momentum, and a favourable breeze i thought we had no chance.
All the Armagh fans around me were quite happy for Jarly og to fist that over at the time - hindsight is a wonderful thing. Grugans mark wasn't easy shooting into those goals. I thought Armagh's shooting was pretty good especially against the breeze they pinged over a few beauties.
Heard those voices beside me too and I can assure you I was vocal enough myself in saying we had to go for the game there. Only an opinion of course. We could miss and then it looks silly not taking the point.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 14, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
Classy comment there. Nice to see someone gracious in victory
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 15, 2023, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
Thought he was kind to Armagh to be honest and that your tackling was really poor. Nowhere near the ball a lot of the time and you got a couple turnovers where the Derry player was fouled. I actually like watching this Armagh team and could just as easily have won yesterday but the tackling is something that'll hold you back with another ref down the line unless improved in my opinion.
I agree.
Discipline in the tackle is poor and too many seem intent on playing the hard man rather than play the football.
Nugent and ONeill in particular yesterday.
Ref blew derry keeper for taking too long but didn't do the same for rafferty. Consistency is all you want from a ref.
Is interpretation of over carrying seemed to change throughout the game too.
I thought in general he was poor and missed a lot.
penalties are a great way to finish it.
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on May 15, 2023, 11:11:47 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on May 14, 2023, 08:38:00 PM
Lovely jubbly. Topped off with the wannabe hard man Rian O'Nell missing a pen!
Classy comment there. Nice to see someone gracious in victory
classy comment,
as an aside i have my issues with brolly but he nailed it yestersday in the indo.
the derry county board have issues to deal which go beyond last week
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
That's not what it shows at all. It most certainly does not show a "shove".
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
That's not what it shows at all. It most certainly does not show a "shove".
Watched it back. Definite free. McFaul I think it is is tackling correctly, the other Derry lad comes in wrong hand and slaps at the ball, other hand on his back. Campbell feels the contact and goes to ground.
Rodgers then comes in an knees him in the back for good measure after the play is stopped.
Two men tackling, neither got the ball and one possibly high round the shoulder? Definite free in.
In real time and from a distance I thought Soupy's free was soft and he went down a bit easy. But he won it because he had the nous and ability to run full pelt at Derry and ask them a question.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 15, 2023, 11:17:09 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 15, 2023, 09:27:25 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM
On Gough. I've no complaints whatsoever. Did I agree with every decision? No. But I'm sure Derry ones would say the same
Thought he was kind to Armagh to be honest and that your tackling was really poor. Nowhere near the ball a lot of the time and you got a couple turnovers where the Derry player was fouled. I actually like watching this Armagh team and could just as easily have won yesterday but the tackling is something that'll hold you back with another ref down the line unless improved in my opinion.
I agree.
Discipline in the tackle is poor and too many seem intent on playing the hard man rather than play the football.
Nugent and ONeill in particular yesterday.
Ref blew derry keeper for taking too long but didn't do the same for rafferty. Consistency is all you want from a ref.
Is interpretation of over carrying seemed to change throughout the game too.
I thought in general he was poor and missed a lot.
I'd have little complaints about Gough tbh. I thought he did a good job and called it right for the majority of it. I didnt understand why he made Armagh retake their kickout at the end when they were away with a vital short one gaining possession. He seemed to stop it, turn to talk to someone, and then have it retaken. We then couldnt get a short one free and had to go long and lose it. A big moment.
Quote from: clarshack on May 15, 2023, 11:19:52 AM
penalties are a great way to finish it.
Not sure if you would say that if Tyrone lost on them! Golden score would be better. Next point wins.
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
That's not what it shows at all. It most certainly does not show a "shove".
It's maybe not a shove but that's generally always given as a free.
Didn't need to do it either as there was a defender right in front of him and mcfaul to his other side. Just needed to track him and it would probably have been turned over.
So no complaints on that one.
Campbell always looked like being able to generate something. Was armaghs most dangerous player, don't understand why he didn't start. Maybe fitness?
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 15, 2023, 11:33:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
That's not what it shows at all. It most certainly does not show a "shove".
It's maybe not a shove but that's generally always given as a free.
Didn't need to do it either as there was a defender right in front of him and mcfaul to his other side. Just needed to track him and it would probably have been turned over.
So no complaints on that one.
Campbell always looked like being able to generate something. Was armaghs most dangerous player, don't understand why he didn't start. Maybe fitness?
McGeeney seems to be getting critised for this one but i'm assuming he didn't start because their game plan was to keep it tight then use him as an impact sub 2nd half. I think it worked. Campbell wouldn't have been able to run through like that in the first half when players are fresh and structures are more rigid and if he started he would be less impactful when game is in the melting pot.
Quote from: screenexile on May 15, 2023, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: Cavan19 on May 15, 2023, 09:23:55 AM
What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
That was the end of normal time... it was overcarrying but after that they were all at the same thing and nothing was happening with the ball so a hop ball was fair enough.
One for MR2 there.
Could Gough have simply blown for full time whilst the ruck was forming or did he need to call a throw up ball to get it into open play before blowing for full time?
If that last one was a free, there were then a no. Of 2/3 man tackles going in with both arms frailing which should bee. Fouls. Players seem to tackle slapping with both arms now all the time, must be the way they taught now. When I was very young it was always one hand in, the other out , as to not give the easy call of a foul.
A really bad way for any team to lose a final, felt sorry for the Armagh players and supporters.
Gough made some mistakes yesterday, as anyone would, and they probably balanced each other out. It's his HERE LOOK AT MEEEEEEE attitude that annoys my happiness.
Campbell was brilliant for Armagh, as a Derry man was delighted he didn't start.
McEvoy was great for us, so competitive for such a young lad.
Armagh discipline in the 'tackle' is still appalling, some fouling machines who have been doing it for years still doing the same stupid stuff and then looking surprised each of the ten times per games they give a free away.
Couldn't understand why Armagh didn't push up on the Derry KO when they had the breeze, showed a bit of a defeatist attitude, as did their team selection IMO.
As a neutral at the game yesterday I thought Gough was very harsh on Derry.
The last 45 to bring the game to a point, lynch caught the ball in his 6 yard box and was shouldered out, unless the rule has changed i didn't think you can touch the keeper in 6 yard box.
Let Rafferty away with murder on how long he was taking with his kickouts too.
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Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
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That's not what it shows at all. It most certainly does not show a "shove".
It's maybe not a shove but that's generally always given as a free.
Didn't need to do it either as there was a defender right in front of him and mcfaul to his other side. Just needed to track him and it would probably have been turned over.
So no complaints on that one.
Campbell always looked like being able to generate something. Was armaghs most dangerous player, don't understand why he didn't start. Maybe fitness?
McGeeney seems to be getting critised for this one but i'm assuming he didn't start because their game plan was to keep it tight then use him as an impact sub 2nd half. I think it worked. Campbell wouldn't have been able to run through like that in the first half when players are fresh and structures are more rigid and if he started he would be less impactful when game is in the melting pot.
Its a huge gamble though giving him 25 minutes as opposed to 70 in order to make an impact. We done the same against Donegal in Ballybofey last year and we were 7 points down and the game was effectively over before they brought him on with 25 minutes left. After that he started every game and lit the spark to reignite our season. I'll never understand this theory of holding one of your best players on the bench to see the game out.
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Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
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That's not what it shows at all. It most certainly does not show a "shove".
Definite foul - classic case of tackling the man as opposed to the ball.
Delighted to get out of Clones with the win. Great occasion, plenty of colour and noise. A bit of history as well. Probably similar to last year - the nervous tense energy at the game, doesn't translate well to the TV audience. Though yesterday's game was a better spectacle than the Donegal final.
At various times I thought we were in complete control. Rogers fisted effort off the post could've been the winning of the game. That would've have given Derry the 3pt cushion that might have killed the game at that point. But Armagh dominated for periods as well, especially round the middle. Thought it was game over when Armagh took the 2pt lead in second half injury time. Thankfully we clawed it back, or Armagh threw it away depending on your view point.
The penalties just added to the overall occasion. The only thing I was disappointed in was the fact they were taken at the Eastern Stand end and not the O'Duffy terrace, where I was standing. I'm making the assumption that Glass won the toss an elected for that end as it seemed there was a majority of Derry fans behind that goal.
There was lot of unforced errors from Derry, especially at the start of the game.. Sloppy hand passes, and dropped balls, taking 2/3 attempts at picking it up when under no pressure at all, which they got away with as Armagh had initially dropped off.
Armagh brought a level of intensity throughtou that caused Derry a number of issues, they did appear to be laying a few traps, of seemingly no one pressuring the ball, then all of a sudden, they were all over the ball carrier. But the majority of the 'tackling' is borderline at best. Especially those swinging arm tackles. One that hasn't been mentioned yet, was one against McCloskey in the second half, he was definitely very annoyed at a hit on him. Free given, but it from my viewpoint, McCloskey felt it was a punch to the ribs.
Armagh troubled Derry at times with the kickout. But I never understand any team including Derry, handing possession and short kickouts too the opposition as soon as they go a couple of points up. To me that is the time to hem them in and force them into further errors, and it was clear Armagh dropped off in the second half of extra time when they were leading.
Very happy with the way Derry contained the scoring threat of the Armagh forward line. 4/6 didn't score and only 4pts from play in total. But Derry need to get more out of their bench in the upcoming group fixtures. What good is a panel, even a small one, if you don't trust players to do a job. Armagh used 21 players, Derry 18. Grugan was the only substituted player from Armagh to come back on. But Heron, Murray and Loughlin made a couple of appearances. And it sounds like McGrogan was due to come back on to take a penalty, but Derry ran out of time to make that substitution.
Thought Gough's performance was all over the place. Felt he favoured Armagh in the 50/50 calls, but realistically when he blew the whistle, you didn't know which way he was going to point. Plenty of over-carrying, but only remember one free given. Lynch was done on a kick-out for delaying too long, yet he didn't bother with the timings after that. Lynch pushed out over the line end and a 45 given. Almost happened again with Grugan's last kick. Gough opted for the throw up. No argument about Campbell's free, though he was looking for one, it was a free. You'd be fairly annoyed if you didn't get a free for that.
Just about got the victory, but still plenty to work on.
For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
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For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
Was he not in the middle of speaking to a player and the kick was taken with his back to the play and hadn't called for the restart?
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For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
He spoke to someone for something off the ball, don't even think he booked them or anything ffs.
O'Neill was throwing g his weight around again and he had went to talk to him.
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O'Neill was throwing g his weight around again and he had went to talk to him.
McKauigue shoulda been booked a lot earlier for his off the ball shit on O'Neill
Is that a new thing presenting ball to winning captain.
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For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
derry scored from the retaken kickout a real poor call
mc guigans antics also were poor, in game he was lying as if shot then jumps up
the penalty antics even worse
thought rogers excellent as well as the derry keeper who takes a lot of criticism, still really dont see where the pundits have tyrone as the team out of ulster to win sam as i am sure Derry wouldnt fear them
One moment yesterday that showed a brilliant bit of defending but hasn't been talked about much with all the rest of the action.
Lynch came off his line and lost the ball. Armagh play a quick ball inside to Rian O'Neill in the hopes he can win possession and turn to an empty net. McKaigue holds him off and gets a hand to the ball, directing it out right to the corner out of harms way, although it did go out for a 45. A crucial touch and great bit of defensive play from McKaigue.
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For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
derry scored from the retaken kickout a real poor call
mc guigans antics also were poor, in game he was lying as if shot then jumps up
the penalty antics even worse
thought rogers excellent as well as the derry keeper who takes a lot of criticism, still really dont see where the pundits have tyrone as the team out of ulster to win sam as i am sure Derry wouldnt fear them
Think the problem is Galway, Kerry and Dublin are looking for Derry/Tyrone/Armagh as a route to the final. At the moment Derry the best bet to beat one of them. Fair chance Tyrone could take a beating at the weekend
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One moment yesterday that showed a brilliant bit of defending but hasn't been talked about much with all the rest of the action.
Lynch came off his line and lost the ball. Armagh play a quick ball inside to Rian O'Neill in the hopes he can win possession and turn to an empty net. McKaigue holds him off and gets a hand to the ball, directing it out right to the corner out of harms way, although it did go out for a 45. A crucial touch and great bit of defensive play from McKaigue.
Yeah he did really well although the ball in could have been better. Thought Lynch was ropey enough was almost caught a few times in possession and his kickouts were dodgy when we bothered pressing. Unreal for the penalties though obviously
McGuigan Antics, go watch the game, to watch the off the ball crap on him, 2 Armagh lads dragging him at 1 stage, Didn't see any Derry lads try to damage a man's fingers.
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For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
derry scored from the retaken kickout a real poor call
mc guigans antics also were poor, in game he was lying as if shot then jumps up
the penalty antics even worse
thought rogers excellent as well as the derry keeper who takes a lot of criticism, still really dont see where the pundits have tyrone as the team out of ulster to win sam as i am sure Derry wouldnt fear them
Think the problem is Galway, Kerry and Dublin are looking for Derry/Tyrone/Armagh as a route to the final. At the moment Derry the best bet to beat one of them. Fair chance Tyrone could take a beating at the weekend
How long is it since we played Kerry or Dublin in the championship? Would love a go at either of them. We have got to improve our game management, discipline and kickouts to have any hope. Few basic errors yesterday especially early on, could out down to nerves though
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McGuigan Antics, go watch the game, to watch the off the ball crap on him, 2 Armagh lads dragging him at 1 stage, Didn't see any Derry lads try to damage a man's fingers.
Oppostions best forward targeted by defenders? Never..... Rian was getting the same shit off McKauigue it is part and parcel lol
Derry if u come through right, will be lined up to play Dublin, currently, we know they are not strong enough up front.
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Derry if u come through right, will be lined up to play Dublin, currently, we know they are not strong enough up front.
quarter finals could be tasty as some big teams going to be playing each other
would say tyrone, mayo roscommon and armagh could be the other 4
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 14, 2023, 08:30:10 PM
Without reading back these are my initial raw assessments.
Firstly congratulations to Derry. Fully deserved winners. The rest of what I am going to say should not distract from that and hopefully won't be seen as sour grapes.
I have become disenfranchised by the game I grew up idolising.
The skills are no longer prioritised.
The man on man battles and getting the better of your direct opponent has disappeared in favour of systems.
Penalties are no way to end to a match particularly when there is no need.
The Ulster Championship should be starting today not ending.
The fiasco over Pay Per View
All of it leaves a sour taste.
On the game itself both teams gave their all and I think both will still have a say in the championship. The mistake on the goal was crucial and allowed Derry to control the game.
In extra time Armagh fell back into old bad habits when the game was there to be won.
I felt Derry were better at their system and better tactically but Armagh had the (very slightly) more talented team.
McGuigan and Glass were class. O'Neill and Duffy likewise.
Gough had a good game but again referees need more help.
Derry should win their group. Two weeks time will be crucial for Armagh.
I as an Armagh man would agree with this assessment. It was there for Armagh and penalties are no way to end Gaelic football matches. Some of the comments here about Rian O'Neill missing one are way of the mark. Outstanding yesterday as was Glass and Mcguigan. Murnin looks like he was carrying an injury. After 9 years perhaps time for a new voice. But credit to Geezer considering what he took on.
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What do you make of the call at the end of extra time when Gough decided it was a throw up.
I though that the Derry Keeper over carried the ball and then stood over it like he was protecting a ruck in rugby obstructing Armagh players from getting to it.
The genius that is Maurice Deegan on BBC said that both teams fouled the ball and that's why a throw up was given :o
That was the end of normal time... it was overcarrying but after that they were all at the same thing and nothing was happening with the ball so a hop ball was fair enough.
One for MR2 there.
Could Gough have simply blown for full time whilst the ruck was forming or did he need to call a throw up ball to get it into open play before blowing for full time?
The ball was in play, he could have, as he was already over time, blown for time up, I'd have done it as there is nothing in the rules to say the ball has to be 'played' or otherwise when calling time.
On the incident no one was playing the ball and lads, not on purpose falling over the ball, bit of a stalemate and throwing the ball in was the correct thing.
As for the 'shove' handy free to give, not much in it and daft to give away.
The keeper wasn't (from what I can remember at the time) shouldered out over the line, more bundled over the line by momentum, if some one could throw that incident up it would give me a better view.
Still can't remember the clip, if on purpose a black card, if accidental then just a free, and if Gough seen it like that then that's what he felt, he's no skin in the game so not bothered as to who wins
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McGuigan Antics, go watch the game, to watch the off the ball crap on him, 2 Armagh lads dragging him at 1 stage, Didn't see any Derry lads try to damage a man's fingers.
Oppostions best forward targeted by defenders? Never..... Rian was getting the same shit off McKauigue it is part and parcel lol
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
McGuigan Antics, go watch the game, to watch the off the ball crap on him, 2 Armagh lads dragging him at 1 stage, Didn't see any Derry lads try to damage a man's fingers.
Oppostions best forward targeted by defenders? Never..... Rian was getting the same shit off McKauigue it is part and parcel lol
O'Neill deserved every bit of it purely for acting 'he-man' before and after the parade lol
Thought Big Glass was steady enough yesterday. Went about his work quietly but his catch in extra time to help win the the free for McGuigans equaliser (I think) was right from the top drawer. Real leadership when Derry needed it from him.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 12:58:22 PM
Derry if u come through right, will be lined up to play Dublin, currently, we know they are not strong enough up front.
Is this definitely the way it is? Ie Group 3 winners in same half as Group 4 winners? I don't think I seen that mentioned anywhere I had assumed it was an open draw, but I could definitely be wrong.
Had a wee a laugh to myself on the BBC commentary when Deegan was explaining why Gough blew Lynch up on the kickout, Phily McMahon replied something along the lines of "maybe he does it because he likes the noise of the crowd whenever he does." ;D
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Quote from: David McKeown on May 14, 2023, 08:30:10 PM
Without reading back these are my initial raw assessments.
Firstly congratulations to Derry. Fully deserved winners. The rest of what I am going to say should not distract from that and hopefully won't be seen as sour grapes.
I have become disenfranchised by the game I grew up idolising.
The skills are no longer prioritised.
The man on man battles and getting the better of your direct opponent has disappeared in favour of systems.
Penalties are no way to end to a match particularly when there is no need.
The Ulster Championship should be starting today not ending.
The fiasco over Pay Per View
All of it leaves a sour taste.
On the game itself both teams gave their all and I think both will still have a say in the championship. The mistake on the goal was crucial and allowed Derry to control the game.
In extra time Armagh fell back into old bad habits when the game was there to be won.
I felt Derry were better at their system and better tactically but Armagh had the (very slightly) more talented team.
McGuigan and Glass were class. O'Neill and Duffy likewise.
Gough had a good game but again referees need more help.
Derry should win their group. Two weeks time will be crucial for Armagh.
I as an Armagh man would agree with this assessment. It was there for Armagh and penalties are no way to end Gaelic football matches. Some of the comments here about Rian O'Neill missing one are way of the mark. Outstanding yesterday as was Glass and Mcguigan. Murnin looks like he was carrying an injury. After 9 years perhaps time for a new voice. But credit to Geezer considering what he took on.
Picked up the injury against Down. Wasn't even 50% yesterday and not sure how and why he wasn't subbed off earlier.
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O'Neill was throwing g his weight around again and he had went to talk to him.
McKauigue shoulda been booked a lot earlier for his off the ball shit on O'Neill
If oneill had been booked for every bookable offe ce he committed on and off the ball he wouldn't have made it through a half.
One in extra time, Derry had just won a free and he came up behind mguigan and wrapped 2 arms around his neck from behind. Clear yellow.
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Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
There's always o e lunatic.
I'd two Armagh "women" behind me who were at similar. Including shouting and swearing at kids for waving flags after scores. To be fair, even some other armagh supporters were telling them to be quiet.....
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Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
There's always o e lunatic.
I'd two Armagh "women" behind me who were at similar. Including shouting and swearing at kids for waving flags after scores. To be fair, even some other armagh supporters were telling them to be quiet.....
Plenty of ejits about lol
Quote from: Estimator on May 15, 2023, 12:30:49 PM
Delighted to get out of Clones with the win. Great occasion, plenty of colour and noise. A bit of history as well. Probably similar to last year - the nervous tense energy at the game, doesn't translate well to the TV audience. Though yesterday's game was a better spectacle than the Donegal final.
At various times I thought we were in complete control. Rogers fisted effort off the post could've been the winning of the game. That would've have given Derry the 3pt cushion that might have killed the game at that point. But Armagh dominated for periods as well, especially round the middle. Thought it was game over when Armagh took the 2pt lead in second half injury time. Thankfully we clawed it back, or Armagh threw it away depending on your view point.
The penalties just added to the overall occasion. The only thing I was disappointed in was the fact they were taken at the Eastern Stand end and not the O'Duffy terrace, where I was standing. I'm making the assumption that Glass won the toss an elected for that end as it seemed there was a majority of Derry fans behind that goal.
There was lot of unforced errors from Derry, especially at the start of the game.. Sloppy hand passes, and dropped balls, taking 2/3 attempts at picking it up when under no pressure at all, which they got away with as Armagh had initially dropped off.
Armagh brought a level of intensity throughtou that caused Derry a number of issues, they did appear to be laying a few traps, of seemingly no one pressuring the ball, then all of a sudden, they were all over the ball carrier. But the majority of the 'tackling' is borderline at best. Especially those swinging arm tackles. One that hasn't been mentioned yet, was one against McCloskey in the second half, he was definitely very annoyed at a hit on him. Free given, but it from my viewpoint, McCloskey felt it was a punch to the ribs.
Armagh troubled Derry at times with the kickout. But I never understand any team including Derry, handing possession and short kickouts too the opposition as soon as they go a couple of points up. To me that is the time to hem them in and force them into further errors, and it was clear Armagh dropped off in the second half of extra time when they were leading.
Very happy with the way Derry contained the scoring threat of the Armagh forward line. 4/6 didn't score and only 4pts from play in total. But Derry need to get more out of their bench in the upcoming group fixtures. What good is a panel, even a small one, if you don't trust players to do a job. Armagh used 21 players, Derry 18. Grugan was the only substituted player from Armagh to come back on. But Heron, Murray and Loughlin made a couple of appearances. And it sounds like McGrogan was due to come back on to take a penalty, but Derry ran out of time to make that substitution.
Thought Gough's performance was all over the place. Felt he favoured Armagh in the 50/50 calls, but realistically when he blew the whistle, you didn't know which way he was going to point. Plenty of over-carrying, but only remember one free given. Lynch was done on a kick-out for delaying too long, yet he didn't bother with the timings after that. Lynch pushed out over the line end and a 45 given. Almost happened again with Grugan's last kick. Gough opted for the throw up. No argument about Campbell's free, though he was looking for one, it was a free. You'd be fairly annoyed if you didn't get a free for that.
Just about got the victory, but still plenty to work on.
100%
Derry did not play well making unforced errors and didn't attack in the same way we had in other games. Perhaps that was the plan given the perceived prowess of the Armagh attack, but it felt like a lack of focus at times.
Perhaps fallout from the week gone by.
I was impressed by Armagh defensively, I didn't expect them to be as good in that regard but I also think that was partly because we didnt attack with 15 as often.
Armagh forwards are certainly no better than Derry's as was being widely touted before the game and Derry largely co trolled midfield.
All in all, I believe there's more left in Derry after that game than in Armagh. Glass, Rogers, Mcguigan, Mckaigue, mcevoy, mckinless all stood out for Derry with ethan doherty and Paul cassidy not able to impose themselves. Jarleth og I felt was probably armagh's best player over the whole game with Campbell very dangerous.
Hard to know how Derry will progress for the rest of the year. They should top their group even if not playing well so a semi final is not unrealistic expectations.
I'm sure Armagh will be trying the same.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
Always a few lunatics at every game and they're not unique to any one county! Its all part of the atmosphere and it can be funny how some people get so worked up over what, at the end of the day is a game of football. The big county matches bring out the worst in some people and a lot of the times they're people who wouldn't know whether its pumped or stuffed.
I agree on Glass, he has this canny knack of sensing danger before it arrives and is one of the best defensive midfielders I've seen play the game he's the GAA equivalent of the Makelele role. He can also play and has also become a big leader, just an all rounder.
As for leaving Morgan on McGuigan, it was after Morgan moved onto him that McGuigan done most of his best work as the game wore on. Under pressure Morgans worst tendencies to foul resurface and it happened again yesterday late in the match.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
All supporters round me were great tbh but there is always at least one "cnut"...
I was amazed Morgan didnt get a black card as he clipped the heels when he was turned and beaten.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
Always a few lunatics at every game and they're not unique to any one county! Its all part of the atmosphere and it can be funny how some people get so worked up over what, at the end of the day is a game of football. The big county matches bring out the worst in some people and a lot of the times they're people who wouldn't know whether its pumped or stuffed.
I agree on Glass, he has this canny knack of sensing danger before it arrives and is one of the best defensive midfielders I've seen play the game he's the GAA equivalent of the Makelele role. He can also play and has also become a big leader, just an all rounder.
As for leaving Morgan on McGuigan, it was after Morgan moved onto him that McGuigan done most of his best work as the game wore on. Under pressure Morgans worst tendencies to foul resurface and it happened again yesterday late in the match.
Morgan probably wasn't fully fit hadn't played in a while. Always the silly fouls with him
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 15, 2023, 02:02:20 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
Always a few lunatics at every game and they're not unique to any one county! Its all part of the atmosphere and it can be funny how some people get so worked up over what, at the end of the day is a game of football. The big county matches bring out the worst in some people and a lot of the times they're people who wouldn't know whether its pumped or stuffed.
I agree on Glass, he has this canny knack of sensing danger before it arrives and is one of the best defensive midfielders I've seen play the game he's the GAA equivalent of the Makelele role. He can also play and has also become a big leader, just an all rounder.
As for leaving Morgan on McGuigan, it was after Morgan moved onto him that McGuigan done most of his best work as the game wore on. Under pressure Morgans worst tendencies to foul resurface and it happened again yesterday late in the match.
Morgan probably wasn't fully fit hadn't played in a while. Always the silly fouls with him
That could have been an issue, certainly last season was the first when I felt that he had cut out the needless fouling and he was a much better player for it. Playing for 100 minutes yesterday may have taken its toll late in the game given how little football he has played this season.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
Every ref will give a free for that however soft it might look. As others have said the real issue was Derry trying to kick an extremely hopeful score just before, needlessly giving possession away at a crucial time. I was also surprised in those last few minutes to see Rafferty booting the ball into a sea of bodies in the middle. However frenetic it was the lack of composure raises questions about both sides. Can add Rian O'Neill to that too in the build up to the free McGuigan kicked to level it at 0-17 to 1-14, running into McGuigan after it was awarded and trying to drag him down then throwing himself to the ground theatrically, only to be ignored by everyone ;D.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 12:37:43 PM
For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
He spoke to someone for something off the ball, don't even think he booked them or anything ffs.
It was ridiculous to stop the play like that. He then spoke to someone for about 2 seconds.
Quote from: jmk on May 15, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 12:37:43 PM
For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
He spoke to someone for something off the ball, don't even think he booked them or anything ffs.
It was ridiculous to stop the play like that. He then spoke to someone for about 2 seconds.
Had someone spoke to him first? Was everyone out of the square/D? Had he blown the whistle for the kick out to be taken? I was watching but those at the game could probably tell, those above would be the main reason to take it again.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: jmk on May 15, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 12:37:43 PM
For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
He spoke to someone for something off the ball, don't even think he booked them or anything ffs.
It was ridiculous to stop the play like that. He then spoke to someone for about 2 seconds.
Had someone spoke to him first? Was everyone out of the square/D? Had he blown the whistle for the kick out to be taken? I was watching but those at the game could probably tell, those above would be the main reason to take it again.
The D was defo all clear. I was seated right across from it. Not sure on the whistle as noise around me was pretty loud. What i will say is that Rafferty didnt just place it and immediately hit it.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
Really strange take on the McKay incident. It starts with him nipping McGuigan on the chest, who tries to push the hand away, its then grabbed and twisted by McKay.
Could be worse, I had a drunken Derry lad just behind, was serious, with constant shouting to a rhytmn Armagh wankers. Had tell him a few times to cool it, but he that drunk am not sure he notice. We must picked up an awful of boo boys in the last year. The amount of booing from us since covid gone way up. Starting to think that Covid spell turned the general population into people with attitude
Nipping and griping peoples flesh is common enough in the sport unfortunately, grabbing and twisting fingers happens also. It wasn't a forearm into the face and a closeline tackle though when it happened it looked like he had been closeline/forearm to the head ;)
Played 15+ yrs, never nipped a man yet, but back then you been quickly lamped if u tried this crap. I think more players be at it these days as they know they not get hit.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 15, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 01:23:46 PM
Started reading through the post match comments but gave up.
Poor game and I thought we left a result behind. Morgan very lucky to get away without of the black card. Would point that for all those who think McGuigan gave him the run around should at least recognise that Morgan didn't start the game on McGuigan.
McGuigan, like Derry's top players was excellent.
Think the criticism of McKay (or Forker as he is sometimes called here) is harsh. He certainly didn't target McGuigan's fingers. There is a bit of grabbing going on there between 2 players. Not sure McKay does anything to instigate this that McGuigan doesn't. In the act of extricating themselves one player picks up a genuine knock. Nothing more for me.
Derry are hard to watch. Carry the ball out of defence 100% of the time. Never gamble. Dull to watch.
But you don't win back to back ulsters without having something about you and there is a lot of onfield leadership in that group. Typified by Glass. McGuigan and Rodgers are very good but Glass apart from the high fielding does very little flashy. But he doesn't make mistakes. Makes great decisions and always seems to in the right place. Top player and leader.
One last point. If there is a Derry fan reading thiswho screamed "what are you looking at" at an Armagh fan sitting about 5 rows in front of him well I was that Armagh fan and I was looking at you whilst contemplating if there would be any benefit in reporting you to the stewards. I was also concerned for your own mental health and marvelling at the wafer thin breadth of your vocabulary. The persistent use of the word "c*nt" probably takes practice. How else can you get to the "we are getting nothing from this c*nt" after less than 1 minute. Also the near constant references to Tyrone in a match between Derry and Armagh was concerning. I should say to everyone, none of this was whispered. All balled out at top volume and no little vehemence.
There's always o e lunatic.
I'd two Armagh "women" behind me who were at similar. Including shouting and swearing at kids for waving flags after scores. To be fair, even some other armagh supporters were telling them to be quiet.....
I'd a bunch of insufferable degenerates who spent the entire match calling Armagh scumbags and when they weren't directing homophobic jibes towards the ref, questioned every single decision that didn't go their way. With that stupid Ulster Scots accent I could well have been at a band parade :-X
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 03:46:42 PM
Could be worse, I had a drunken Derry lad just behind, was serious, with constant shouting to a rhytmn Armagh wankers. Had tell him a few times to cool it, but he that drunk am not sure he notice. We must picked up an awful of boo boys in the last year. The amount of booing from us since covid gone way up. Starting to think that Covid spell turned the general population into people with attitude
Yeah I noticed this as well. Derry have gotten very bad at booing every free against them. I noticed Donegal did it under Jim and rory, now Derry seem to be at it. I hate that carry on.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: jmk on May 15, 2023, 02:24:49 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 12:37:43 PM
For me the biggest incorrect call was forcing armagh to retake the kick out after they won possession. Not sure why he did that but thought it gave Derry a chance to get possession back.
He spoke to someone for something off the ball, don't even think he booked them or anything ffs.
It was ridiculous to stop the play like that. He then spoke to someone for about 2 seconds.
Had someone spoke to him first? Was everyone out of the square/D? Had he blown the whistle for the kick out to be taken? I was watching but those at the game could probably tell, those above would be the main reason to take it again.
I know I wasn't annoyed at the time. I'd be near certain he put his hand up to stop it being taken while he went to speak to someone
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Nipping and griping peoples flesh is common enough in the sport unfortunately, grabbing and twisting fingers happens also. It wasn't a forearm into the face and a closeline tackle though when it happened it looked like he had been closeline/forearm to the head ;)
Sorry, but you must be joking? It is like f*ck..
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 15, 2023, 06:42:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Nipping and griping peoples flesh is common enough in the sport unfortunately, grabbing and twisting fingers happens also. It wasn't a forearm into the face and a closeline tackle though when it happened it looked like he had been closeline/forearm to the head ;)
Sorry, but you must be joking? It is like f*ck..
I am glad I am not the only skeptic of this.
Quote from: InnocentByStander on May 15, 2023, 11:48:38 AM
As a neutral at the game yesterday I thought Gough was very harsh on Derry.
The last 45 to bring the game to a point, lynch caught the ball in his 6 yard box and was shouldered out, unless the rule has changed i didn't think you can touch the keeper in 6 yard box.
Let Rafferty away with murder on how long he was taking with his kickouts too.
No. Quite often, subs were being brought on so the referee paused and Rafferty was unable to restart the game.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 05:02:55 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 03:46:42 PM
Could be worse, I had a drunken Derry lad just behind, was serious, with constant shouting to a rhytmn Armagh wankers. Had tell him a few times to cool it, but he that drunk am not sure he notice. We must picked up an awful of boo boys in the last year. The amount of booing from us since covid gone way up. Starting to think that Covid spell turned the general population into people with attitude
Yeah I noticed this as well. Derry have gotten very bad at booing every free against them. I noticed Donegal did it under Jim and rory, now Derry seem to be at it. I hate that carry on.
Lol the moral compass strikes again!
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 15, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 15, 2023, 06:42:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Nipping and griping peoples flesh is common enough in the sport unfortunately, grabbing and twisting fingers happens also. It wasn't a forearm into the face and a closeline tackle though when it happened it looked like he had been closeline/forearm to the head ;)
Sorry, but you must be joking? It is like f*ck..
I am glad I am not the only skeptic of this.
Griping players or nipping them happens more often than you think, players have come to me during games showing where they have been gripped, nasty enough which generates retaliation.
But sure I'm making it up ;D
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 15, 2023, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 15, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2023, 09:38:45 AM
Ah here, Campbell getting "shoved in the back" stretches the limits of credulity. He was lightly tackled from either side. You could maybe just about find a foul with it if you tried hard enough but he certainly went down easily. Lynch was definitely shouldered inside the box for the 45 but then should have been done for over carrying before the throw ball.
The trip on McGuigan I didn't think was that big a deal to be honest. Looked as if his hand more brushed against his leg in an attempt to trip. Certainly didn't have a good grip of him or clobber his leg a la Peter Stringer. Morgan still being on McGuigan at that stage possibly the biggest indictment of Armagh management on the day.
11 min 55 seconds. Clear 2 hands in his back
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LLLv8ABONac&pp=ygUlYXJtYWdoIHZzIGRlcnJ5IGZ1bGwgbWF0Y2ggZXh0cmEgdGltZQ%3D%3D
Every ref will give a free for that however soft it might look. As others have said the real issue was Derry trying to kick an extremely hopeful score just before, needlessly giving possession away at a crucial time. I was also surprised in those last few minutes to see Rafferty booting the ball into a sea of bodies in the middle. However frenetic it was the lack of composure raises questions about both sides. Can add Rian O'Neill to that too in the build up to the free McGuigan kicked to level it at 0-17 to 1-14, running into McGuigan after it was awarded and trying to drag him down then throwing himself to the ground theatrically, only to be ignored by everyone ;D.
Did he go down holding his face?
Gallagher stepped away but done a training session with derry on Saturday and was out celebrating with them last night
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 07:35:02 PM
Gallagher stepped away but done a training session with derry on Saturday and was out celebrating with them last night
Aye? lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 15, 2023, 07:06:04 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on May 15, 2023, 06:42:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2023, 03:49:16 PM
Nipping and griping peoples flesh is common enough in the sport unfortunately, grabbing and twisting fingers happens also. It wasn't a forearm into the face and a closeline tackle though when it happened it looked like he had been closeline/forearm to the head ;)
Sorry, but you must be joking? It is like f*ck..
I am glad I am not the only skeptic of this.
Griping players or nipping them happens more often than you think, players have come to me during games showing where they have been gripped, nasty enough which generates retaliation.
But sure I'm making it up ;D
It has been going on a long time
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 07:35:02 PM
Gallagher stepped away but done a training session with derry on Saturday and was out celebrating with them last night
Its a wonder theres no photos of him last nite in this day of mobile phones. Weird one...
Here there now a RG thread for anybody looking to post things about RG, it be handy if the person in question actually saw RG been here or there, instead putting it up cause there heard from 3rd parties.
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 07:35:02 PM
Gallagher stepped away but done a training session with derry on Saturday and was out celebrating with them last night
At the centre of this is an allegation of horrific abuse. Then there is the past, present and potential future impact on young kids. It's deadly serious. It is not a matter for "jokes", banter or sledging.
I have no idea if what you claim is true but you now need it to be true. Otherwise what does it say about you?
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:15:15 PM
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Of course you need it to be true. If it's been made up and circulated the perpetrators of that are clearly scum of the earth.
I make no statement as to the veracity of the claim. But I stick by the claim that if people are making sh1t up about this issue then they need to have a good look at themselves.
Why do I need it to be true..? When I know it happened
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:15:15 PM
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Of course you need it to be true. If it's been made up and circulated the perpetrators of that are clearly scum of the earth.
I make no statement as to the veracity of the claim. But I stick by the claim that if people are making sh1t up about this issue then they need to have a good look at themselves.
While I agree with you, I've heard this from 3 or 4 different sources now. The training session that is. Not a night out
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:22:15 PM
Why do I need it to be true..? When I know it happened
If you can explain to me how "XYZ" could have happened but a statement saying that XYZ had happened to be a false statement then I will engage
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:15:15 PM
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Of course you need it to be true. If it's been made up and circulated the perpetrators of that are clearly scum of the earth.
I make no statement as to the veracity of the claim. But I stick by the claim that if people are making sh1t up about this issue then they need to have a good look at themselves.
While I agree with you, I've heard this from 3 or 4 different sources now. The training session that is. Not a night out
And if it did happen, then the claim won't have been made up and I will have no issue with the statement.
And if it did happen then Derry are foooooooked.
I'll reserve judgement until I see hard evidence.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:28:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:15:15 PM
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Of course you need it to be true. If it's been made up and circulated the perpetrators of that are clearly scum of the earth.
I make no statement as to the veracity of the claim. But I stick by the claim that if people are making sh1t up about this issue then they need to have a good look at themselves.
While I agree with you, I've heard this from 3 or 4 different sources now. The training session that is. Not a night out
And if it did happen, then the claim won't have been made up and I will have no issue with the statement.
And if it did happen then Derry are foooooooked.
I'll reserve judgement until I see hard evidence.
First I heard of rg at training or out with the team, but if it did happen, please describe what you mean when you say derry are foooooked.
Edit: just realised there's a separate thread for this stuff. And actually, more I think about it, the less I want to comment on any of it because none of us know anything about any of it.
Doing well to be out any derry men last nite when the team bus only passed me with police going towards Monaghan town just before 9pm, so I call bullshit on that one.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:28:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:15:15 PM
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Of course you need it to be true. If it's been made up and circulated the perpetrators of that are clearly scum of the earth.
I make no statement as to the veracity of the claim. But I stick by the claim that if people are making sh1t up about this issue then they need to have a good look at themselves.
While I agree with you, I've heard this from 3 or 4 different sources now. The training session that is. Not a night out
And if it did happen, then the claim won't have been made up and I will have no issue with the statement.
And if it did happen then Derry are foooooooked.
I'll reserve judgement until I see hard evidence.
I've no idea if it happened or not but it was being talked about at the game.
Not near enough ladies toilets for the eastern stand. Some were contemplating using the gents.
Quote from: Orior on May 15, 2023, 09:41:21 PM
Not near enough ladies toilets for the eastern stand. Some were contemplating using the gents.
Some did
Seen a few posts on Derry fans. Can I just say that those around me were friendly, passionate, knowledgable and gracious in victory. Good people
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
Doing well to be out any derry men last nite when the team bus only passed me with police going towards Monaghan town just before 9pm, so I call bullshit on that one.
Do you really think the Derry boys weren't out last night
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1658208127253356545
I was nearly surrounded by Derry fans every one of them shook hands with me on the way out. Good side will be hard to beat. Will come out of that group easily. Heartbreaking losing on penalties. Should never be a way to lose a game. Hopefully Jarleth will get rid of it next year.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 15, 2023, 09:50:37 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
Doing well to be out any derry men last nite when the team bus only passed me with police going towards Monaghan town just before 9pm, so I call bullshit on that one.
Do you really think the Derry boys weren't out last night
Derry were in Marys last night. 30 odd pics on the fb. None of RG that i seen..
The Derry team was in Mary's and then Dormans but Gallagher most definitely was not there. Someone was circulating a video of Gallagher in LJs last year. Sad people.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 09:50:10 PM
Quote from: Orior on May 15, 2023, 09:41:21 PM
Not near enough ladies toilets for the eastern stand. Some were contemplating using the gents.
Some did
Seen a few posts on Derry fans. Can I just say that those around me were friendly, passionate, knowledgable and gracious in victory. Good people
I concur. All very gracious in victory, and while I was gutted, I was just pleased to have witnessed such a great game.
Quote from: Orior on May 15, 2023, 09:41:21 PM
Not near enough ladies toilets for the eastern stand. Some were contemplating using the gents.
And yet plenty of contributors here think Casement isn't needed.
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on May 15, 2023, 10:10:07 PM
I was nearly surrounded by Derry fans every one of them shook hands with me on the way out. Good side will be hard to beat. Will come out of that group easily. Heartbreaking losing on penalties. Should never be a way to lose a game. Hopefully Jarleth will get rid of it next year.
I have to add...
The Armagh fans around me were great people....
The penalties..... a horrible way to suffer in defeat ......and I felt really sorry for them.....knowing if the shoe had of been on the other foot...
Also out the back of the Gerry Arthur and whilst trying to recover from defeat a few of the Armagh players stopped to take photos or exchange pleasantries with young Derry fans on their way to the bus...
Most notably Rian O'Neill and Soupy Campbell....and a few others I didn't recognise....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 15, 2023, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on May 15, 2023, 10:10:07 PM
I was nearly surrounded by Derry fans every one of them shook hands with me on the way out. Good side will be hard to beat. Will come out of that group easily. Heartbreaking losing on penalties. Should never be a way to lose a game. Hopefully Jarleth will get rid of it next year.
I have to add...
The Armagh fans around me were great people....
The penalties..... a horrible way to suffer in defeat ......and I felt really sorry for them.....knowing if the shoe had of been on the other foot...
Also out the back of the Gerry Arthur and whilst trying to recover from defeat a few of the Armagh players stopped to take photos or exchange pleasantries with young Derry fans on their way to the bus...
Most notably Rian O'Neill and Soupy Campbell....and a few others I didn't recognise....
Regardless of their antics on the pitch, and I'm talking about players from all teams not those two mentioned, players generally make time for fans. It's good to see
Quote from: OakLeaf on May 15, 2023, 10:28:25 PM
The Derry team was in Mary's and then Dormans but Gallagher most definitely was not there. Someone was circulating a video of Gallagher in LJs last year. Sad people.
Thank f**k for that.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 10:41:03 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 15, 2023, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on May 15, 2023, 10:10:07 PM
I was nearly surrounded by Derry fans every one of them shook hands with me on the way out. Good side will be hard to beat. Will come out of that group easily. Heartbreaking losing on penalties. Should never be a way to lose a game. Hopefully Jarleth will get rid of it next year.
I have to add...
The Armagh fans around me were great people....
The penalties..... a horrible way to suffer in defeat ......and I felt really sorry for them.....knowing if the shoe had of been on the other foot...
Also out the back of the Gerry Arthur and whilst trying to recover from defeat a few of the Armagh players stopped to take photos or exchange pleasantries with young Derry fans on their way to the bus...
Most notably Rian O'Neill and Soupy Campbell....and a few others I didn't recognise....
Regardless of their antics on the pitch, and I'm talking about players from all teams not those two mentioned, players generally make time for fans. It's good to see
Really good to see...
Considering how the form would be after suffering defeat in such a way....
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 15, 2023, 10:39:13 PM
Quote from: The Watcher Pat on May 15, 2023, 10:10:07 PM
I was nearly surrounded by Derry fans every one of them shook hands with me on the way out. Good side will be hard to beat. Will come out of that group easily. Heartbreaking losing on penalties. Should never be a way to lose a game. Hopefully Jarleth will get rid of it next year.
I have to add...
The Armagh fans around me were great people....
The penalties..... a horrible way to suffer in defeat ......and I felt really sorry for them.....knowing if the shoe had of been on the other foot...
Also out the back of the Gerry Arthur and whilst trying to recover from defeat a few of the Armagh players stopped to take photos or exchange pleasantries with young Derry fans on their way to the bus...
Most notably Rian O'Neill and Soupy Campbell....and a few others I didn't recognise....
I brought my nephew to meet the Armagh players in the Athletic Grounds. Standing talking to a fella. He asked him who his favourite player was. Nephew said Ethan Rafferty. He said "I'm Ethan Rafferty" You want to seen his wee face. Brilliant
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 15, 2023, 08:47:15 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:28:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 15, 2023, 08:22:49 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on May 15, 2023, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: leenie on May 15, 2023, 08:15:15 PM
I don't need anything to be true.. He was at owenbeg on Saturday and out with some members of derry team last night.. I also know at the ulster final yesterday there were young males chanting "there's only one Rory gallagher" and older derry supporters had to tell them to shut up
Of course you need it to be true. If it's been made up and circulated the perpetrators of that are clearly scum of the earth.
I make no statement as to the veracity of the claim. But I stick by the claim that if people are making sh1t up about this issue then they need to have a good look at themselves.
While I agree with you, I've heard this from 3 or 4 different sources now. The training session that is. Not a night out
And if it did happen, then the claim won't have been made up and I will have no issue with the statement.
And if it did happen then Derry are foooooooked.
I'll reserve judgement until I see hard evidence.
First I heard of rg at training or out with the team, but if it did happen, please describe what you mean when you say derry are foooooked.
Edit: just realised there's a separate thread for this stuff. And actually, more I think about it, the less I want to comment on any of it because none of us know anything about any of it.
The sole action of Derry has been to stand him down. If it turned out that they in fact only stood him down from public facing duties and retained him behind the scenes then I don't think I need to explain the hellish position Derry would be in.
All that is based on an if. I am not saying those allegations about training etc are actually true. My instinct is that they can't be true. The degree of monumental stupidity required to do that is beyond credibility.
Well if you don't think they are true, why post them, about time people dealt in facts only, not I heard from this mucker. All this rumour shit the way Trump edged himself to power in America by spreading enough misinformation.
An Armagh player was allegedly 'bitten' by a Derry opponent during Sunday's dramatic Ulster senior football final in Clones.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 11:04:41 PM
Well if you don't think they are true, why post them, about time people dealt in facts only, not I heard from this mucker. All this rumour shit the way Trump edged himself to power in America by spreading enough misinformation.
I haven't posted them nor said they true.
Who scored the penalties in the McKenna cup against Down, much change from yesterday (McFaul obviously)
if casement gets built i think they should at least have one final every four years at clones.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 11:11:53 PM
Who scored the penalties in the McKenna cup against Down, much change from yesterday (McFaul obviously)
Shane McGuigan, Paul Cassidy, Conor Doherty, Padraig McGrogan and Niall Toner.
McGrogan and Toner both missed that day.
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 15, 2023, 11:10:30 PM
An Armagh player was allegedly 'bitten' by a Derry opponent during Sunday's dramatic Ulster senior football final in Clones.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html
Incident has been passed about WhatsApp
If it goes to ccc Derry may lose its best forward , wonder was that why Rian pushed him given he was the one bitten.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/05/16/jim-mcguinness-i-was-deeply-saddened-to-read-the-social-media-post-that-shocked-the-country/
But Derry had found a way during extra-time to stay alive in the contest, driven on by the likes of Glass, who is a real clutch-moment player – his fetch in the middle of the park late on was exceptional.
For Armagh, they will have left Clones knowing they are capable of competing with the top teams. And in Rian O'Neill they possess one of the best forwards in the business, his contribution on Sunday only enhanced his growing reputation in the game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 15, 2023, 11:04:41 PM
Well if you don't think they are true, why post them, about time people dealt in facts only, not I heard from this mucker. All this rumour shit the way Trump edged himself to power in America by spreading enough misinformation.
You understand the word "if"?
Another poster makes an allegation. I comment that the allegation is serious but state that I don't know if it's true or not but that it seems unlikely given the wider circumstances. I can't see what your problem with that is. Surely it is the purpose of the Discussion Board. I have also stated that posters shouldn't be making things up or pushing stories that the know to be false. I have went as far as calling the scumbags if the allegations are false. Do again I don't see what your difficulty is.
Quote from: naka on May 16, 2023, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 15, 2023, 11:10:30 PM
An Armagh player was allegedly 'bitten' by a Derry opponent during Sunday's dramatic Ulster senior football final in Clones.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html
Incident has been passed about WhatsApp
If it goes to ccc Derry may lose its best forward , wonder was that why Rian pushed him given he was the one bitten.
seen the video there, hard to tell tbh but doesn't look great.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 16, 2023, 10:25:58 AM
Quote from: naka on May 16, 2023, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: twohands!!! on May 15, 2023, 11:10:30 PM
An Armagh player was allegedly 'bitten' by a Derry opponent during Sunday's dramatic Ulster senior football final in Clones.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41139958.html
Incident has been passed about WhatsApp
If it goes to ccc Derry may lose its best forward , wonder was that why Rian pushed him given he was the one bitten.
seen the video there, hard to tell tbh but doesn't look great.
genuinely though it was clear enough
and agree it really doesnt look great from the derry point of view
If you can see a bite from the coverage good luck to you. I can see his head buried into O'Neill's chest but is it a clear bite??
Quote from: screenexile on May 16, 2023, 10:35:37 AM
If you can see a bite from the coverage good luck to you. I can see his head buried into O'Neill's chest but is it a clear bite??
Can't clearly tell but I doubt Rian imagined it. Only ones that know are the 2 lads tbh.
I watched the game last night, when going up for the toss at penalty time O'Neill lifted his shirt and showed ref a mark on his chest, I wondered what was going on with that, maybe a more knowledgeable poster could put the clip up.
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 16, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
I watched the game last night, when going up for the toss at penalty time O'Neill lifted his shirt and showed ref a mark on his chest, I wondered what was going on with that, maybe a more knowledgeable poster could put the clip up.
Yeah that video was doing the rounds on whatsapp.
Any link to the video on twitter? I noticed O'Neill complaining to the ref. Did it happen when he tried to pull McGuigans head off in the 2nd half of ET?
Did you also notice than after it happened and the free for McGuigan was moved forward, he looks back at O'Neill to see if anything was happening.
If he showed the bite mark to the ref then you'd imagine it will be in the ref's report and it would be hard for the CCCC to just ignore it.
Yeah happened on 18th min of ET when O'Neill clattered into it and they had a bit of a hug
The video footage is inconclusive but I suspect that there may have been something in it and it would not be very hard to prove or disprove. If Rian O'Neill showed any teeth marks to Gough and he subsequently put it in his report then McGuigan will be serving a ban.
Watched it on the iPlayer at 2.51.30 Rian lifts his jersey while talking to David Gough and points to his chest. Gough will obviously have mentioned it in his report.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 11:39:56 AM
Watched it on the iPlayer at 2.51.30 Rian lifts his jersey while talking to David Gough and points to his chest. Gough will obviously have mentioned it in his report.
It's very clear from the footage that O'Neill deserves a ban. It's a very aggressive push in McGuigans back which could've caused a serious injury and then he wraps his arms around Shane's neck and pulls him in.
BBC iPlayer:
2hrs44.30 Coming together of O'Neill, who had no need to get involved, and McGuigan. McGuigan was fouled by Morgan, then clattered by O'Neill. McGuigan falls with his head in O'Neill's chest.
2hrs51.33 O'Neill lifting his shirt to show Gough a mark on his chest. Gough barely looked at it, fairly short conversation, but he does take out his note book and writes some info in it, the two things might not be related, but Gough could be noting the incident and the number of the player involved.
Is this before the Suarez moment? Think the whole thing should be just brushed under the carpet. What do you think Lenny?
Pretty clear bite from footage I seen
Will get the book threw at him for that one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTSgNJ1JbC4
Quote from: seafoid on May 16, 2023, 12:06:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTSgNJ1JbC4
Time?
Quote from: Estimator on May 16, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
BBC iPlayer:
2hrs44.30 Coming together of O'Neill, who had no need to get involved, and McGuigan. McGuigan was fouled by Morgan, then clattered by O'Neill. McGuigan falls with his head in O'Neill's chest.
2hrs51.33 O'Neill lifting his shirt to show Gough a mark on his chest. Gough barely looked at it, fairly short conversation, but he does take out his note book and writes some info in it, the two things might not be related, but Gough could be noting the incident and the number of the player involved.
Just watched it. Absolutely nothing to see. Carry on.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 16, 2023, 12:04:55 PM
Pretty clear bite from footage I seen
Will get the book threw at him for that one
Probably. But not definitely.
My take.
Morgan definitely fouls McGuigan.
Gough is correct to award free.
O'Neill is nowhere near the incident and has no business getting involved.
Free is given on 65m line.
O'Neill wrongly runs in and gets involved.
From the stand I saw O'Neill going down. I knew he hadn't been hit on the head and I wrongly thought he was milking it by holding his head with his left hand.
On that viewing Gough is correct to move it up 13m (that would make it a 52m free).
Gough, unaware of any bite or bite allegation, moves it up 20m.
Mcguigan steals the customary 2 further metres and impressively knocks it over from 43m.
Gouge's only error here is the distance the free has been moved. But that is still a pretty big error given the margin of the error and bringing the free from outside range to within.
O'Neill does raise it with Gough after the game but before penalties. All Gough can do is record it for further investigation. It definitely seems to do the former.
Watching the incident back McGuigan's mouth area is in contact with O'Neill in the area he subsequently indicates. Unless there is a different angle the main tv footage doesn't show the bite. But O'Neill does immediately reach for the impact area with his right hand. Indicating something has happened.
It doesn't look good for McGuigan. I think there definitely will be an investigation but what it can definitively prove could be another matter.
Quote from: lenny on May 16, 2023, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 11:39:56 AM
Watched it on the iPlayer at 2.51.30 Rian lifts his jersey while talking to David Gough and points to his chest. Gough will obviously have mentioned it in his report.
It's very clear from the footage that O'Neill deserves a ban. It's a very aggressive push in McGuigans back which could've caused a serious injury and then he wraps his arms around Shane's neck and pulls him in.
The video referee should go back over the game and ban everyone who pushed someone in the back.
Quote from: Estimator on May 16, 2023, 11:48:17 AM
BBC iPlayer:
2hrs44.30 Coming together of O'Neill, who had no need to get involved, and McGuigan. McGuigan was fouled by Morgan, then clattered by O'Neill. McGuigan falls with his head in O'Neill's chest.
2hrs51.33 O'Neill lifting his shirt to show Gough a mark on his chest. Gough barely looked at it, fairly short conversation, but he does take out his note book and writes some info in it, the two things might not be related, but Gough could be noting the incident and the number of the player involved.
So the ref looks at something on his chest and writes what into his notebook? A player approached me at halftime showed me a mark on his chest and claimed he was bitten?
The ref will report what he has seen, yes if someone says something happened he may add it too his notes but under no obligation to do so, otherwise he'd be tortured with players coming up to him showing marks on their bodies claiming allsorts
Unless memory is failing I also saw O'Neill say something to referee while Armagh were waiting for Derry for extra time. He also lifted his jersey at that time. I thought he was complaining about a nip then?
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
Quote from: smelmoth on May 16, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 16, 2023, 12:04:55 PM
Pretty clear bite from footage I seen
Will get the book threw at him for that one
Probably. But not definitely.
My take.
Morgan definitely fouls McGuigan.
Gough is correct to award free.
O'Neill is nowhere near the incident and has no business getting involved.
Free is given on 65m line.
O'Neill wrongly runs in and gets involved.
From the stand I saw O'Neill going down. I knew he hadn't been hit on the head and I wrongly thought he was milking it by holding his head with his left hand.
On that viewing Gough is correct to move it up 13m (that would make it a 52m free).
Gough, unaware of any bite or bite allegation, moves it up 20m.
Mcguigan steals the customary 2 further metres and impressively knocks it over from 43m.
Gouge's only error here is the distance the free has been moved. But that is still a pretty big error given the margin of the error and bringing the free from outside range to within.
O'Neill does raise it with Gough after the game but before penalties. All Gough can do is record it for further investigation. It definitely seems to do the former.
Watching the incident back McGuigan's mouth area is in contact with O'Neill in the area he subsequently indicates. Unless there is a different angle the main tv footage doesn't show the bite. But O'Neill does immediately reach for the impact area with his right hand. Indicating something has happened.
It doesn't look good for McGuigan. I think there definitely will be an investigation but what it can definitively prove could be another matter.
Impossible to bite with a gumshield in Id have thought, but if it is proven there has been a bite then you would imagine there would have to be serious consequences. No room for that caper.
Quote from: lenny on May 16, 2023, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 11:39:56 AM
Watched it on the iPlayer at 2.51.30 Rian lifts his jersey while talking to David Gough and points to his chest. Gough will obviously have mentioned it in his report.
It's very clear from the footage that O'Neill deserves a ban. It's a very aggressive push in McGuigans back which could've caused a serious injury and then he wraps his arms around Shane's neck and pulls him in.
Disappointing to see Lenny make a joke out of this. Biting is a scummy act if that's what happened and on the balance of probability, imo, it looks like a bite.
Last week it's was Gallagher now this week it's week it's mc guigan who nearly had his thumb broken into the bargain yous lads are bad news crying after the event,I could pick several misdemeanor s from sun past
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 16, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
Last week it's was Gallagher now this week it's week it's mc guigan who nearly had his thumb broken into the bargain yous lads are bad news crying after the event,I could pick several misdemeanor s from sun past
You could try just agreeing that if it was a bite, it was a scummy act.
I'm not sure how we'd cry about it before the event tbh.
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 16, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
Last week it's was Gallagher now this week it's week it's mc guigan who nearly had his thumb broken into the bargain yous lads are bad news crying after the event,I could pick several misdemeanor s from sun past
Biting like spitting is a despicable act
If he did it then accept the consequence .
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 16, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
Last week it's was Gallagher now this week it's week it's mc guigan who nearly had his thumb broken into the bargain yous lads are bad news crying after the event,I could pick several misdemeanor s from sun past
His thumb? Was it not his fingers?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 16, 2023, 04:46:34 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
Most people will put two and two together. It just might take some of the Derry ones a bit longer to do so.
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Mc Geeney needs to take ONeill to the side and tell him to concentrate on the football only and try to stop being the hard man.
Would make a more meaningful impact on the game.
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
A link posted this morning and we've 100% of posters siding with it likely being a bite are from only Tyrone & Armagh, now that's 'funny'
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Nothing to do with Tyrone. Own your own behaviour good and bad....
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
A link posted this morning and we've 100% of posters siding with it likely being a bite are from only Tyrone & Armagh, now that's 'funny'
And 100% from Derry who seem to want it to just go away. I'm sure yourself, Lenny, Walter etc. would be as restrained if it was a Tyrone player involved. ::)
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
A link posted this morning and we've 100% of posters siding with it likely being a bite are from only Tyrone & Armagh, now that's 'funny'
And 100% from Derry who seem to want it to just go away. I'm sure yourself, Lenny, Walter etc. would be as restrained if it was a Tyrone player involved. ::)
Sure Tyrone only get 1 game a year on BBC these days not much chance to talk about them these days...
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
A link posted this morning and we've 100% of posters siding with it likely being a bite are from only Tyrone & Armagh, now that's 'funny'
I've already said I've no idea if it's a bite or not but I find your defence, which is straight from the Liverpool/Suarez playbook, entertaining
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 16, 2023, 05:30:25 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 05:17:56 PM
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
A link posted this morning and we've 100% of posters siding with it likely being a bite are from only Tyrone & Armagh, now that's 'funny'
And 100% from Derry who seem to want it to just go away. I'm sure yourself, Lenny, Walter etc. would be as restrained if it was a Tyrone player involved. ::)
Sure Tyrone only get 1 game a year on BBC these days not much chance to talk about them these days...
Another keen not to comment. I see a pattern.
It's nothing to do with me really so not sure why I'd need to comment I'm just some guy on an internet forum... I think Derry need to fully stand him down for what it's worth!
Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
To say there is zero chance is possibly overstating it?
The circumstantial evidence is remarkably consistent with him biting. Will that be sufficient to sanction him? I don't know.
Quote from: uimhr ocht on May 16, 2023, 01:56:12 PM
Last week it's was Gallagher now this week it's week it's mc guigan who nearly had his thumb broken into the bargain yous lads are bad news crying after the event,I could pick several misdemeanor s from sun past
Surely that's whataboutery?
The Gallagher and McGuigan allegations are entirely different. And the Gallagher allegation is of an entirely different order of magnitude. Even linking them is distasteful.
But both merit further investigation. But no link between the 2.
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
No, it seems he is a Conservative MP
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Mc Geeney needs to take ONeill to the side and tell him to concentrate on the football only and try to stop being the hard man.
Would make a more meaningful impact on the game.
This bit I agree with.
If anybody has the BBC 2 Championship recorded....
Fast forward to 2 hrs and 30 minutes...and hit pause...
R' O N exposing his chest to David Gough...
Let me know if what he's pointing at is supposed to be a bite mark or a fckin spot....🤣
Any of the more technically minded men here might be fit to photograph it and post....
If he's actually bit him or not I've no idea....but what he's pointing at isn't a bite mark...
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Quote from: JoG2 on May 16, 2023, 01:38:46 PM
There's not a chance in hell McGuigan bit O'Neill contrary to what Tyrone people will tell you. O'Neill spent the day trying to kill dead things and mouthing off to everyone, getting involved in way too much. Armagh folk beside us shouting at him to stay focused, concentrate on the game etc. If there's teeth marks, it's down to a physical coming together. Punishment, whatever you get for not wearing a gumshield
So I'm your series of events McGuigan falls into ONeill and just happens to have his mouth open and his teeth hit Rians chest hard enough to leave a mark? Are you a Liverpool fan? I'm being devils advocate by the way. I've no idea what happened
When someone goes out of their way to grab ye around the neck from behind and haul you to the ground, sure anything can happen surely? Mouth open in surprise, who knows, but I'll tell you those kind of dark arts aren't in Shane's locker. And on O'Neill, another ref could have lined him 2/3 times.
All Christmases have come at once for the Tyrone gossipers in here
Not that sort of player!! :D
That always makes me laugh. Nobody is that sort of player. Until they are
A link posted this morning and we've 100% of posters siding with it likely being a bite are from only Tyrone & Armagh, now that's 'funny'
And 100% from Derry who seem to want it to just go away. I'm sure yourself, Lenny, Walter etc. would be as restrained if it was a Tyrone player involved. ::)
Honoured to be mentioned there TB! Muchos gracias.
I wonder are they gonna do 20+ pages of crying like they did after the Galway game, doubt so.
Saw the video. Inconclusive I reckon; not enough from that angle to prove the allegation.
Interestingly, the bbc recording cut out after Paul Cassidy's penalty. Who won?
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 16, 2023, 10:04:05 PM
Saw the video. Inconclusive I reckon; not enough from that angle to prove the allegation.
Interestingly, the bbc recording cut out after Paul Cassidy's penalty. Who won?
I wish i could help you, the Sunday game live recording cut out at half time, of extra time.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 16, 2023, 10:04:05 PM
Saw the video. Inconclusive I reckon; not enough from that angle to prove the allegation.
Interestingly, the bbc recording cut out after Paul Cassidy's penalty. Who won?
I agree.
Derry need a bit depth in there panel, they had 29 players on a panel, hell you can't play a full match with that, while Armagh had a ridiculous 51, is it too late in the Yr to bring in a couple of players.
Derry will get thrashed by a proper footballing team in Croke Park when they meet one in the near future. It'll be good for the game too. A team playing football.
Quote from: JPO on May 16, 2023, 10:28:12 PM
Derry will get thrashed by a proper footballing team in Croke Park when they meet one in the near future. It'll be good for the game too. A team playing football.
🤣🤣.....
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
Derry need a bit depth in there panel, they had 29 payers on a panel, hell you can't play a full match with that, while Armagh had a ridiculous 51, is it too late in the Yr to bring in a couple of players.
Did Derry bring lads off and on again?
I remember Grugan coming on I think. Maybe for penalties?
See a video there, with a run in with the usual suspects at Market hill pulling a flag of the car. A bus load Armagh lads landing, they be running for the hills. Personally I wouldn't be stopping in market hill at a chippy with a Armagh Jersey on me.
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 16, 2023, 09:35:08 PM
If anybody has the BBC 2 Championship recorded....
Fast forward to 2 hrs and 30 minutes...and hit pause...
R' O N exposing his chest to David Gough...
Let me know if what he's pointing at is supposed to be a bite mark or a fckin spot....🤣
Any of the more technically minded men here might be fit to photograph it and post....
If he's actually bit him or not I've no idea....but what he's pointing at isn't a bite mark...
This is quite a bizarre post. But one I agree 100% with.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
Derry need a bit depth in there panel, they had 29 payers on a panel, hell you can't play a full match with that, while Armagh had a ridiculous 51, is it too late in the Yr to bring in a couple of players.
Did Derry bring lads off and on again?
I remember Grugan coming on I think. Maybe for penalties?
Definitely Benny Heron and Lachlan Murray....
Heard McGrogan was supposed to come on to potentially hit a penalty but the change wasn't made in time...
Pointing out, what do you think of this manly chest? Worth a few frees.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
Derry need a bit depth in there panel, they had 29 payers on a panel, hell you can't play a full match with that, while Armagh had a ridiculous 51, is it too late in the Yr to bring in a couple of players.
Did Derry bring lads off and on again?
I remember Grugan coming on I think. Maybe for penalties?
Definitely Benny Heron and Lachlan Murray....
Heard Greg and was supposed to come on to potentially hit a penalty but the change wasn't made in time...
Niall Loughlin as well!
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 16, 2023, 10:36:48 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 16, 2023, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
Derry need a bit depth in there panel, they had 29 payers on a panel, hell you can't play a full match with that, while Armagh had a ridiculous 51, is it too late in the Yr to bring in a couple of players.
Did Derry bring lads off and on again?
I remember Grugan coming on I think. Maybe for penalties?
Definitely Benny Heron and Lachlan Murray....
Heard Greg and was supposed to come on to potentially hit a penalty but the change wasn't made in time...
What are other lads on bench supposed to think of this?
Have Derry a limited panel? Could hurt them down the line with matches in quick succession.
Quote from: Champion The Wonder Horse on May 16, 2023, 10:35:37 PM
Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 16, 2023, 09:35:08 PM
If anybody has the BBC 2 Championship recorded....
Fast forward to 2 hrs and 30 minutes...and hit pause...
R' O N exposing his chest to David Gough...
Let me know if what he's pointing at is supposed to be a bite mark or a fckin spot....🤣
Any of the more technically minded men here might be fit to photograph it and post....
If he's actually bit him or not I've no idea....but what he's pointing at isn't a bite mark...
This is quite a bizarre post. But one I agree 100% with.
Hardly bizarre lol.....
With all the BIG chat on it I actually went to look at it all 3 or 4 times!
From the incident itself until the protest to the ref...
The camera man can't get any closer in terms of the shot...
Someone post the picture...
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Quote from: STREET FIGHTER on May 16, 2023, 10:36:48 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 16, 2023, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 16, 2023, 10:18:20 PM
Derry need a bit depth in there panel, they had 29 payers on a panel, hell you can't play a full match with that, while Armagh had a ridiculous 51, is it too late in the Yr to bring in a couple of players.
Did Derry bring lads off and on again?
I remember Grugan coming on I think. Maybe for penalties?
Definitely Benny Heron and Lachlan Murray....
Heard Greg and was supposed to come on to potentially hit a penalty but the change wasn't made in time...
What are other lads on bench supposed to think of this?
Have Derry a limited panel? Could hurt them down the line with matches in quick succession.
Will test even the deepest of squads you'd imagine. IF a team finishes 2nd or 3rd in their group, and progress to the quarter-finals, they would they be playing 5 games in 6 weeks...
https://twitter.com/jimmallon1888/status/1658558706785701900?s=46&t=zgzuYWfgC5dD3Y5jl1Xd6A (https://twitter.com/jimmallon1888/status/1658558706785701900?s=46&t=zgzuYWfgC5dD3Y5jl1Xd6A)
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Circumstantial evidence there looks like it was most likely a bite. Whether that is enough to ban him I don't know. If he did bite then should be banned for rest of the year which would be a shame as he is a class player (good news for the other 15 counties though)
Quote from: JPO on May 16, 2023, 10:28:12 PM
Derry will get thrashed by a proper footballing team in Croke Park when they meet one in the near future. It'll be good for the game too. A team playing football.
Great first post.
Take a good bloody team to beat either of those teams.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 16, 2023, 11:00:59 PM
Quote from: JPO on May 16, 2023, 10:28:12 PM
Derry will get thrashed by a proper footballing team in Croke Park when they meet one in the near future. It'll be good for the game too. A team playing football.
Great first post.
Take a good bloody team to beat either of those teams.
Armagh are a div2 side
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 10:51:20 PM
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Chandler Bing?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 16, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
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Markethill is a for want of two better words a 'black hole.'
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 16, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
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Markethill is a for want of two better words a 'black hole.'
Full video going around where a little sc**bag rips the flag off the car and stamps on it. Fair play she gets out and stands up to him and gets flags back.
Big hard men starting on 2 middle aged women, if it had been a car load of men it would have been different story.
Where the Downeys on the bench on Sunday?
Ben McCarron?
Is Oisin McWilliams still injured??
Anybody actually on the bench that should have been thrown on instead of the recycle??
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 16, 2023, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 16, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
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Markethill is a for want of two better words a 'black hole.'
Full video going around where a little sc**bag rips the flag off the car and stamps on it. Fair play she gets out and stands up to him and gets flags back.
Big hard men starting on 2 middle aged women, if it had been a car load of men it would have been different story.
Absolutely disgusting....
Fair play to her for jumping out and tackling them...
Could have got very nasty though!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 16, 2023, 11:16:11 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 16, 2023, 10:47:05 PM
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Markethill is a for want of two better words a 'black hole.'
Full video going around where a little sc**bag rips the flag off the car and stamps on it. Fair play she gets out and stands up to him and gets flags back.
Big hard men starting on 2 middle aged women, if it had been a car load of men it would have been different story.
Hang on. Was there not another car with a flag with a male inside it? Hope yer brave man gets a nice name&shame soon lol.
(The guy in car could maybe have done something but easy for me to say)
The bite produced a third nipple!! Some lads are seriously clutching..
Best team won. Armagh didn't want to win it anyways, O'Neil insured that when getting the free moved forward. The ref can't report something he didn't see. Should Derry play like that again they could be beaten.
I know Derry brought on a subbed player, it worked, did Armagh bring on a subbed player?
Hopefully O'Neil got a tetanus injection afterwards
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 11:36:00 PM
The bite produced a third nipple!! Some lads are seriously clutching..
Best team won. Armagh didn't want to win it anyways, O'Neil insured that when getting the free moved forward. The ref can't report something he didn't see. Should Derry play like that again they could be beaten.
I know Derry brought on a subbed player, it worked, did Armagh bring on a subbed player?
Hopefully O'Neil got a tetanus injection afterwards
Grugan came back on - subbed earlier in the match
If Armagh play as they can do then yes they will be worth watching. Derry will play as they always do so hopefully will get beaten soon and everyone can watch a game of football rather than wasting a Sunday afternoon of ones life
Armagh are capable of playing football so they are worth watching in the hope that that they might do. Derry will play as they always do so hopefully they'll be eleminated soon so everyone won't waste another Sunday afternoon of their life
Heard ye the first time
The only other players in Derry should be on the panel are J Doherty and, E Bradley, probably a couple other glen men be on the bench. Brown if over here be on the panel, McCullagh nxt year. Derry needs to be carrying a panel of at least 35 players. Too many of the subs are either too young or not properly blooded. I thought D Cassidy a good player but Like J Doherty last year barely seen game time. Need start McFaul from now on, to get him up to speed,
So which previous alias are u JPO, u obviously not a newbie.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2023, 11:36:00 PM
Hopefully O'Neil got a tetanus injection afterwards
and rabies
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 16, 2023, 11:58:38 PM
Heard ye the first time
Some things bear repeating, as some do not listen.
Great final, atmosphere wise - lacked quality at times though. Feel Armagh left this one behind - they had the hunger and the work-rate but just lacked a wee bit of composure and good decision making at crucial times. Derry's leaders really stood up in the second half of extra time to bring it to penalties and then it was the Odhrán Lynch show - 2 of his 3 saves were superb. The Rian O'Neill save was fairly routine as it was a poorly struck penalty and at the right height for a keeper. Armagh will be back, they have great potential and aren't far away from an Ulster title. Derry will need to raise their game if they want to reach another All-Ireland semi-final this year.
Never been on a forum like this before Wildweasel74. Ive only been reading the comments posted here for a few weeks.
some sort of incident involving Armagh supporters and loyalists in markethil
Quote from: Eire90 on May 17, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
some sort of incident involving Armagh supporters and loyalists in markethil
Scum. Link was posted on here somewhere already.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2023, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 17, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
some sort of incident involving Armagh supporters and loyalists in markethil
Scum. Link was posted on here somewhere already.
Named and shamed. Facebook account has been deleted. Let's see how brave he is now.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 16, 2023, 10:51:20 PM
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QuoteCaption competition now open.
Derry, their bite is just as bad as their bark, hi.
Had a decent shave this morning, what ya think Gougher?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 12:45:58 PM
Had a decent shave this morning, what ya think Gougher?
Gougher and Gouger
'Me sports bra bit into me!'
Quote from: seafoid on May 17, 2023, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2023, 12:45:58 PM
Had a decent shave this morning, what ya think Gougher?
Gougher and Gouger
Oh? Where are you going with this?
Quote from: Eire90 on May 17, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
some sort of incident involving Armagh supporters and loyalists in markethil
The same Armagh fans who were singing Londonderry songs at the game?
I wonder why all the young women wear tight jean shorts do the big Derry games. Maybe they are tourists because they have very tan legs to be Irish women. Lots of make up too, maybe they are looking to get one of the players as a boyfriend in the nightclub after the game.
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 17, 2023, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 17, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
some sort of incident involving Armagh supporters and loyalists in markethil
The same Armagh fans who were singing Londonderry songs at the game?
I wouldn't say a couple of middle aged women were singing those songs now, no.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 17, 2023, 04:44:16 PM
Quote from: DhoireTheas on May 17, 2023, 04:41:27 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on May 17, 2023, 11:46:50 AM
some sort of incident involving Armagh supporters and loyalists in markethil
The same Armagh fans who were singing Londonderry songs at the game?
I wouldn't say a couple of middle aged women were singing those songs now, no.
That seems a bit ageist. :)
Quote from: JPO on May 16, 2023, 11:56:53 PM
Armagh are capable of playing football so they are worth watching in the hope that that they might do. Derry will play as they always do so hopefully they'll be eleminated soon so everyone won't waste another Sunday afternoon of their life
🤣🤣....
This is class....
"Dad let's me drive in the drive way" sorta stuff....
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/ciaran-meenagh-the-right-choice-to-take-reins-in-derry-insist-oak-leaf-stalwarts/17861075.html
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 02:14:16 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/ciaran-meenagh-the-right-choice-to-take-reins-in-derry-insist-oak-leaf-stalwarts/17861075.html
Ciaran is very very highly regarded in Ballinascreen and throughout the county.
Even in his role at teaching in St Colms he is regarded as being the man with an ear for everyone, and will not let any pupil down, in any matter.
He has my best wishes and hopes.
And I don't like them Tyrone wans.
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 18, 2023, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2023, 02:14:16 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/ciaran-meenagh-the-right-choice-to-take-reins-in-derry-insist-oak-leaf-stalwarts/17861075.html
Ciaran is very very highly regarded in Ballinascreen and throughout the county.
Even in his role at teaching in St Colms he is regarded as being the man with an ear for everyone, and will not let any pupil down, in any matter.
He has my best wishes and hopes.
And I don't like them Tyrone wans.
Don't know what brand of football he goes in for but I do know that Ciaran is very highly regarded in his profession and in football. Best of luck to him