When will the GAA integrate with the LGFA?
The numbers in the LGFA are huge and they need a place at the top table soon.
Ask them and the Camogie crew too!
It makes sense but is it not the case that there is some pushback from the top tables in their organisations? Sure the Camogie and LGFA actively try to mess each other around at various levels constantly.
Then the GAA gets the bad press anyway, as the Twitter heads don't even know that they have no sway over it.
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2023, 10:56:13 AM
When will the GAA integrate with the LGFA?
The numbers in the LGFA are huge and they need a place at the top table soon.
They don't want to join in many cases!!
Listen to Jarlath Burns on that GAA social podcast. They do want to but many things to iron out too.
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
thet should of course be free to join as 100% menbers but before signing up they should sake the Government down for pitches and funding s least at the level of Rugby/
I only know 2 'lsdird' pitches both in offaly one for county teans and one for Tullamore
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Yes the "Men's GAA" bring the infrastructure and why wouldn't they, they've had a 130 or 40 year head start. The LGFA and Camogie will bring a lot of things. I know in my own local club where it is basically run as one, the Ladies bring a whole different dimension to fundraising, coaching, and lots more.
The ladies are afraid it will be a take over. I think we take our time and get it right for all parties. One thing is for sure we could learn a lot from them, even in how their All Ireland competitions are run, with Senior, Intermediate and Junior all Irelands.
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Yes the "Men's GAA" bring the infrastructure and why wouldn't they, they've had a 130 or 40 year head start. The LGFA and Camogie will bring a lot of things. I know in my own local club where it is basically run as one, the Ladies bring a whole different dimension to fundraising, coaching, and lots more.
The ladies are afraid it will be a take over. I think we take our time and get it right for all parties. One thing is for sure we could learn a lot from them, even in how their All Ireland competitions are run, with Senior, Intermediate and Junior all Irelands.
A gripe I have with the LGFA is that there are too many competitions. Last year in Down there were 9 championships played for at senior level.
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
There is none in Cavan that are stand alone.
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Yes the "Men's GAA" bring the infrastructure and why wouldn't they, they've had a 130 or 40 year head start. The LGFA and Camogie will bring a lot of things. I know in my own local club where it is basically run as one, the Ladies bring a whole different dimension to fundraising, coaching, and lots more.
The ladies are afraid it will be a take over. I think we take our time and get it right for all parties. One thing is for sure we could learn a lot from them, even in how their All Ireland competitions are run, with Senior, Intermediate and Junior all Irelands.
FWIW I reckon the main problems aren't going to appear at club level, but at county board level.
For a county board to be able to function after the merger, then all four sports will need representation. And that'll be immediately followed by the requirement for a voice in most decisions. Such as in CCC and what nights are allocated for which sports in the county.
Here's how this will go down in some county boards. LGFA or camogie reps will kick up a fuss about football and hurling having the plum slots; and batter the equality drum to death. Football and hurling will ignore them and hope they go away. In some counties there'll be a perennial stand off. In other counties, members of LGFA or camogie will hatch a plan to slowly take control of CCC. They'll get there after a few years and will fulfll their plan. The following year, football or hurling people will retake CCC, and will be painted as some bad guys from a prehistoric age, just for re-registering the status quo. And then there'll be holy war for a few years as both sides dig in.
All it takes for this scenario is a couple of rabble rousers to stoke the flames. All it takes to stop it is a pre nup that says something along the lines of "men's sport built the facilities in this county, so when nobody can agree anything, they get first dibs.... But to try to ensure it doesn't come to this".
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Yes the "Men's GAA" bring the infrastructure and why wouldn't they, they've had a 130 or 40 year head start. The LGFA and Camogie will bring a lot of things. I know in my own local club where it is basically run as one, the Ladies bring a whole different dimension to fundraising, coaching, and lots more.
The ladies are afraid it will be a take over. I think we take our time and get it right for all parties. One thing is for sure we could learn a lot from them, even in how their All Ireland competitions are run, with Senior, Intermediate and Junior all Irelands.
A gripe I have with the LGFA is that there are too many competitions. Last year in Down there were 9 championships played for at senior level.
what do you mean by 9 championships do you mean there was like 9 different tournaments like league knockout cups etc
Quote from: Eire90 on March 22, 2023, 04:51:30 AM
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Yes the "Men's GAA" bring the infrastructure and why wouldn't they, they've had a 130 or 40 year head start. The LGFA and Camogie will bring a lot of things. I know in my own local club where it is basically run as one, the Ladies bring a whole different dimension to fundraising, coaching, and lots more.
The ladies are afraid it will be a take over. I think we take our time and get it right for all parties. One thing is for sure we could learn a lot from them, even in how their All Ireland competitions are run, with Senior, Intermediate and Junior all Irelands.
A gripe I have with the LGFA is that there are too many competitions. Last year in Down there were 9 championships played for at senior level.
what do you mean by 9 championships do you mean there was like 9 different tournaments like league knockout cups etc
Best way to describe it is.. Champions League (A Championship) if you lose you went into Europa (B Championship) then if you lost again you went into Euro Conference league (C Championship).
This was for all grades Senior, Intermediate and Junior
Quote from: Truth hurts on March 21, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: trailer on March 21, 2023, 04:10:57 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 21, 2023, 12:43:50 PM
The more likely this becomes the more I'm thinking the GAA needs a bloody big "pre nup" as part of the merger.
Let's call a spade a spade. This would not be a partnership of equals. One organisation brings all the grounds and premises, the long-standing tradition of volunteerism, the sponsorship, the media, the political influence, and the majority of players. The other organisations bring a minority of players.
The current hierarchy whereby men's football and hurling are pegged above their female counterparts in terms of importance is owed most significantly to the ownership of grounds. Currently one sport can call the tune ahead of the others. The other sports then set their schedules in and around what's left.
For everyone's sanity it has to stay that way. When the availability of facilities cannot keep up with demand, absolutely no good can come from an equal balance of power.
Equality yes. Egalitarianism, no. That's not going to work.
Yes the "Men's GAA" bring the infrastructure and why wouldn't they, they've had a 130 or 40 year head start. The LGFA and Camogie will bring a lot of things. I know in my own local club where it is basically run as one, the Ladies bring a whole different dimension to fundraising, coaching, and lots more.
The ladies are afraid it will be a take over. I think we take our time and get it right for all parties. One thing is for sure we could learn a lot from them, even in how their All Ireland competitions are run, with Senior, Intermediate and Junior all Irelands.
A gripe I have with the LGFA is that there are too many competitions. Last year in Down there were 9 championships played for at senior level.
Could never understand that concept last year. I thought it completely devalued the main championships. Down LGFA at times seems to focus on participation over competition at senior/intermediate/junior level. Having three grades in each sector simply does not make sense. In the Intermediate Championship last year, if you lost the Intermediate A semi final you went straight into the Intermediate B final. Ludicrous.
I heard a story in a club in Armagh that LGFA reps are high up on executive committee and changed senior footballers training slots to much rows :)
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
1 has their own pitch.
Lots of examples and voices here show why it is important to take our time and get it right for all involved including the Men.
In Camogie and LGFA there a lot of people involved who are doing their best and are let off, but who are often sidelined in the GAA. The GAA is not 100% but the LGFA and Camogie seem to shoot themselves in both feet regularly.
Look at things like massive county games taking place the same day. The Cavan LGFA now at war with their players too. But, as I said the GAA get the bad press no matter so they may as well plough in and get those organisations running better.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/camogie/2023/0322/1365603-camogie-all-star-tour-to-canada-cancelled/
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 22, 2023, 11:30:16 AM
Look at things like massive county games taking place the same day. The Cavan LGFA now at war with their players too. But, as I said the GAA get the bad press no matter so they may as well plough in and get those organisations running better.
There is no reason why the LGFA have to have the same season as the men's game. They could have club games in April-June and have their All Ireland in September, thereby getting more attention both locally and nationally.
They had games on St Patricks day and were on TG4, and that was the type of offset that can help exposure.
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2023, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
1 has their own pitch.
What team is this Itchy?
Quote from: Westside on March 22, 2023, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2023, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
1 has their own pitch.
What team is this Itchy?
Not in Cavan. But if you look in Mayo for example you'll see Kilmoremoy in Ballina with their own ground.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2023, 02:29:47 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 22, 2023, 11:30:16 AM
Look at things like massive county games taking place the same day. The Cavan LGFA now at war with their players too. But, as I said the GAA get the bad press no matter so they may as well plough in and get those organisations running better.
There is no reason why the LGFA have to have the same season as the men's game. They could have club games in April-June and have their All Ireland in September, thereby getting more attention both locally and nationally.
They had games on St Patricks day and were on TG4, and that was the type of offset that can help exposure.
No reason why Men's GAA have to have the same season as the LGFA
Look at Dionegal. Possibly worst run county atm.
Cuts both ways. Poor administration isn't confined to the Ladies.
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2023, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 22, 2023, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2023, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
1 has their own pitch.
What team is this Itchy?
Not in Cavan. But if you look in Mayo for example you'll see Kilmoremoy in Ballina with their own ground.
Never knew you lived in Mayo.
Quote from: Cavan19 on March 23, 2023, 08:15:33 AM
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2023, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: Westside on March 22, 2023, 03:06:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 22, 2023, 09:17:56 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 21, 2023, 08:01:03 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 21, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Quote from: dec on March 21, 2023, 12:51:19 PM
Are there any stand alone camogie or ladies football clubs? Any teams that I am aware of are part of GAA clubs.
I can think of 2 or 3 close to me.
With their own pitch?
1 has their own pitch.
What team is this Itchy?
Not in Cavan. But if you look in Mayo for example you'll see Kilmoremoy in Ballina with their own ground.
Never knew you lived in Mayo.
I don't, but work there occasionally. I was also wondering about Cora Stauntons club cornacon. Not sure have they their own ground? They are a club on their own too.
Armagh ladies have invested a lot into Killean but i know see a big push to get St Michaels Killean back up and running. That might cause conflict down the road.
Has the GPA not got a set of procedures that all county teams need to adhere to with regard to expenses? Or do LGFA operate outside of these?
Quote from: ck on March 23, 2023, 11:51:25 AM
Has the GPA not got a set of procedures that all county teams need to adhere to with regard to expenses? Or do LGFA operate outside of these?
I know GPA and the GAA signed a deal in relation to expensses but I'm not sure if the LGFA ever agreed any deal with the GPA in relation to expenses
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Quote from: twohands!!! on March 23, 2023, 12:18:42 PM
Quote from: ck on March 23, 2023, 11:51:25 AM
Has the GPA not got a set of procedures that all county teams need to adhere to with regard to expenses? Or do LGFA operate outside of these?
I know GPA and the GAA signed a deal in relation to expenses but I'm not sure if the LGFA ever agreed any deal with the GPA in relation to expenses
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GPA needs to step in and assist these situations. I thought this was the whole point of their existence