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Title: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: LC on January 28, 2023, 09:49:37 AM
These seem as common as muck now, prizes seem unreal for the price of the ticket.  A bit dubious hence have not put my hand in pocket yet so to speak, has anyone any experience of these?
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM
One of the organisers bought a family members house a few years back to offer as the prize. They were happy to allow a long time to complete but then pulled out when their previous competition for a house in Spain didn't do as well as expected.

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit. It's real risk and reward for them mind. If they hit sales projections there's a lot of profit there but unlike the lottery the prize is fixed so if they don't they can lose big too.  I'm sure there are plenty of scammers out there too.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on January 28, 2023, 10:38:32 AM
Know a boy won a 30k car couple years back. May have took the ££ in the end.

Hope i dont derail thread but what about yer woman on the Cash Call yesterday, said 30k so missed out on 50k as a result.....what a kick in the dick....
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: general_lee on January 28, 2023, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 28, 2023, 10:38:32 AM
Know a boy won a 30k car couple years back. May have took the ££ in the end.

Hope i dont derail thread but what about yer woman on the Cash Call yesterday, said 30k so missed out on 50k as a result.....what a kick in the dick....
Stupid f**ker! I get the weekly reminder off herself, enter the cash call! Not that I need reminding, and not that I'm going to win as I don't live in Bangor, Newtownabbey, Lisburn or east Belfast...

As for the competitions, the market is starting to get saturated I think. I used to enter now and again but haven't bothered. They're legit alright, I know people who have won from them. The competition for cars seem to fly out and I with relatively little risk involved they seem to be the real money spinners.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: RedHand88 on January 28, 2023, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: general_lee on January 28, 2023, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 28, 2023, 10:38:32 AM
Know a boy won a 30k car couple years back. May have took the ££ in the end.

Hope i dont derail thread but what about yer woman on the Cash Call yesterday, said 30k so missed out on 50k as a result.....what a kick in the dick....
Stupid f**ker! I get the weekly reminder off herself, enter the cash call! Not that I need reminding, and not that I'm going to win as I don't live in Bangor, Newtownabbey, Lisburn or east Belfast...

As for the competitions, the market is starting to get saturated I think. I used to enter now and again but haven't bothered. They're legit alright, I know people who have won from them. The competition for cars seem to fly out and I with relatively little risk involved they seem to be the real money spinners.

Old neighbour of mine won a huge amount in it. Rural Tyrone.

Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on January 28, 2023, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 28, 2023, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 28, 2023, 10:38:32 AM
Know a boy won a 30k car couple years back. May have took the ££ in the end.

Hope i dont derail thread but what about yer woman on the Cash Call yesterday, said 30k so missed out on 50k as a result.....what a kick in the dick....
Stupid f**ker! I get the weekly reminder off herself, enter the cash call! Not that I need reminding, and not that I'm going to win as I don't live in Bangor, Newtownabbey, Lisburn or east Belfast...

As for the competitions, the market is starting to get saturated I think. I used to enter now and again but haven't bothered. They're legit alright, I know people who have won from them. The competition for cars seem to fly out and I with relatively little risk involved they seem to be the real money spinners.

Know the girl from Loughgiel direction who won 70k ish the xmas before last but aye in general the city area does well lol

Aye silly girl but hard not to feel sorry for her either that sorta mistake could put ye over the edge...
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: square_ball on January 28, 2023, 02:38:03 PM
Aidan Forker the Armagh player won £30k on it a year or two ago.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: Itchy on January 29, 2023, 09:55:46 AM
Quote from: LC on January 28, 2023, 09:49:37 AM
These seem as common as muck now, prizes seem unreal for the price of the ticket.  A bit dubious hence have not put my hand in pocket yet so to speak, has anyone any experience of these?

I can tell you those car ones are real anyway, McKinley or whatever they are called. I know a fella won a car in them. Interesting model. The raffle a ridiculously have spec car, some young lad wins it. They cant afford the insurance. Company will ring him then and offer to buy it back at a much reduced price. Thats what happened to the lad I know anyway.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit.
We've had a few legal opinions on a GAA-run one that suggest that they aren't strictly legal in NI, that new legislation was waiting or something, but not yet passed. It was probably 3 years ago at this stage that we looked into it.

Does your research suggest they are ok then?
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: tintin25 on January 29, 2023, 10:33:51 AM
R Kings and McKinney Comps are probably two of the most popular and they are both legit.  However, noticed recently for alot of the car draws that tickets are like 99p and open to like 50 or 60,000 entrants....them odds are terrible.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: David McKeown on January 29, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit.
We've had a few legal opinions on a GAA-run one that suggest that they aren't strictly legal in NI, that new legislation was waiting or something, but not yet passed. It was probably 3 years ago at this stage that we looked into it.

Does your research suggest they are ok then?

That's kind of what I was hinting at.  They certainly aren't legal under current NI legislation.  For example they have discounts for buying more tickets.  That's not allowed.  It becomes a bit murkier though when they are run off shore.  When I say they are legit I mean they do own and have the prizes they are advertising available and the winners do get their winnings.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2023, 11:36:54 AM
Was waiting on Big Logie phoniome last week for the motor home, first and last time entering lol
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: markl121 on January 29, 2023, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 29, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit.
We've had a few legal opinions on a GAA-run one that suggest that they aren't strictly legal in NI, that new legislation was waiting or something, but not yet passed. It was probably 3 years ago at this stage that we looked into it.

Does your research suggest they are ok then?

That's kind of what I was hinting at.  They certainly aren't legal under current NI legislation.  For example they have discounts for buying more tickets.  That's not allowed.  It becomes a bit murkier though when they are run off shore.  When I say they are legit I mean they do own and have the prizes they are advertising available and the winners do get their winnings.
Is that illegal? That's near common practice for draws. 1 for a pound, 5 for 2 pound etc.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: trailer on January 30, 2023, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: markl121 on January 29, 2023, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 29, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit.
We've had a few legal opinions on a GAA-run one that suggest that they aren't strictly legal in NI, that new legislation was waiting or something, but not yet passed. It was probably 3 years ago at this stage that we looked into it.

Does your research suggest they are ok then?

That's kind of what I was hinting at.  They certainly aren't legal under current NI legislation.  For example they have discounts for buying more tickets.  That's not allowed.  It becomes a bit murkier though when they are run off shore.  When I say they are legit I mean they do own and have the prizes they are advertising available and the winners do get their winnings.
Is that illegal? That's near common practice for draws. 1 for a pound, 5 for 2 pound etc.

Totally legal and above board. R Kings and McKinney's are big business.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on January 30, 2023, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 30, 2023, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: markl121 on January 29, 2023, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 29, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit.
We've had a few legal opinions on a GAA-run one that suggest that they aren't strictly legal in NI, that new legislation was waiting or something, but not yet passed. It was probably 3 years ago at this stage that we looked into it.

Does your research suggest they are ok then?

That's kind of what I was hinting at.  They certainly aren't legal under current NI legislation.  For example they have discounts for buying more tickets.  That's not allowed.  It becomes a bit murkier though when they are run off shore.  When I say they are legit I mean they do own and have the prizes they are advertising available and the winners do get their winnings.
Is that illegal? That's near common practice for draws. 1 for a pound, 5 for 2 pound etc.

Totally legal and above board. R Kings and McKinney's are big business.

These draws only became legal in NI last Spring with change to the betting laws. Before that completely illegal but there was no appetite to challenge them with changes incoming.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: WeeDonns on January 30, 2023, 02:14:34 PM
I enter the ones on aspirecomps.co.uk from time to time as they list stuff I'd like to win

I know 100% for a fact that one of the sites already mentioned by 2 posters above has raffled machinery that was subject to vat fraud
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: David McKeown on January 30, 2023, 03:01:24 PM
Quote from: TyroneOnlooker on January 30, 2023, 02:08:02 PM
Quote from: trailer on January 30, 2023, 02:03:12 PM
Quote from: markl121 on January 29, 2023, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 29, 2023, 11:16:26 AM
Quote from: Rois on January 29, 2023, 10:11:41 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 28, 2023, 10:09:52 AM

We did a lot of research into them mind and the company and prizes were legit.
We've had a few legal opinions on a GAA-run one that suggest that they aren't strictly legal in NI, that new legislation was waiting or something, but not yet passed. It was probably 3 years ago at this stage that we looked into it.

Does your research suggest they are ok then?

That's kind of what I was hinting at.  They certainly aren't legal under current NI legislation.  For example they have discounts for buying more tickets.  That's not allowed.  It becomes a bit murkier though when they are run off shore.  When I say they are legit I mean they do own and have the prizes they are advertising available and the winners do get their winnings.
Is that illegal? That's near common practice for draws. 1 for a pound, 5 for 2 pound etc.

Totally legal and above board. R Kings and McKinney's are big business.

These draws only became legal in NI last Spring with change to the betting laws. Before that completely illegal but there was no appetite to challenge them with changes incoming.

Aye in fairness it's been about 18 months since I looked at the law in the area but yes variable prices for tickets wasn't lawful at the time. In fact it still isn't on unlicensed lotteries. Maximum of £1000 takings on those too. It is though now much easier to obtain a licence than it used to be.
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: Armagh18 on January 30, 2023, 03:32:27 PM
Not gonna name the site but know of a certain person who had a car seized as it was bought with proceeds of crime, funnily enough the same car was raffled by one of those sites not long after and a relative of the original owner just happened to win it!

All in all though most of those sites are legit with genuine winners from all over Ireland and UK. R Kings was making an absolute killing over lockdown, not sure if they are still as busy. Fair play to them!
Title: Re: Facebook Draws / Competitions
Post by: AnPuca on January 30, 2023, 03:46:50 PM
See some fella won £200k last night on The Prize Guy. Crazy money and fair play to winner. Hope it's legit.

The Facebook competitions came up in chat in work there this past week. Whole craic was some lads that are known drug dealers in Belfast area had a few of these pages doing the rounds as a way to earn a quick buck and to get the money laundered as wasn't being investigated fully. I don't know enough about how they done all that but does raise some eyebrows.

Only one I've ever entered was RKings who are legit from what I've heard. Know a couple folk that won big prizes with them