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Title: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on July 11, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
When will pundits call out kerry persistent fouling and sledging? They are this long before PaddyTally  came in. Pat Spillane  likes to proclaim he calls as he sees motto over the years but when comes to Kerry all is brushed under the carpet.  Joe Brolly only to call out and Spillane never had a stroke when he spoke about it. Dublin have rightly been called out for their cynical play over the years why haven't Kerry?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: fearsiuil on July 11, 2022, 11:59:31 AM
Costello goal was only possible after David Moran had lost possession because Kerry couldn't foul and slow up the counter attack. How do we deal with this tactical fouling? Booking the fouler only slows up the game more giving more set-up time to the cynical team. Refs pulling the free back to exact place where foul took place another issue in allowing game flow.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: naka on July 11, 2022, 12:09:12 PM
genuinely thought that whilst kerry were the better side the tactical pulling and fouling they did was at another level.
it was extremely cynical, galway and the ref will need to be onto it for the final .
on another day spillane and o shea could have seen red
interesting that there were 2/3 scuffles off teh ball yet not a word said about these
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Cavan19 on July 11, 2022, 01:08:44 PM
Quote from: naka on July 11, 2022, 12:09:12 PM
genuinely thought that whilst kerry were the better side the tactical pulling and fouling they did was at another level.
it was extremely cynical, galway and the ref will need to be onto it for the final .
on another day spillane and o shea could have seen red
interesting that there were 2/3 scuffles off teh ball yet not a word said about these

Any eye gouging or MMA this week?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Mourne Red on July 11, 2022, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 11, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
When will pundits call out kerry persistent fouling and sledging? They are this long before PaddyTally  came in. Pat Spillane  likes to proclaim he calls as he sees motto over the years but when comes to Kerry all is brushed under the carpet.  Joe Brolly only to call out and Spillane never had a stroke when he spoke about it. Dublin have rightly been called out for their cynical play over the years why Kerry b

Lol.. A dub saying Kerry were cynical, definition of Irony
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 11, 2022, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 11, 2022, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 11, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
When will pundits call out kerry persistent fouling and sledging? They are this long before PaddyTally  came in. Pat Spillane  likes to proclaim he calls as he sees motto over the years but when comes to Kerry all is brushed under the carpet.  Joe Brolly only to call out and Spillane never had a stroke when he spoke about it. Dublin have rightly been called out for their cynical play over the years why Kerry b

Lol.. A dub saying Kerry were cynical, definition of Irony
Doesn't mean he's wrong either.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on July 11, 2022, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Mourne Red on July 11, 2022, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 11, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
When will pundits call out kerry persistent fouling and sledging? They are this long before PaddyTally  came in. Pat Spillane  likes to proclaim he calls as he sees motto over the years but when comes to Kerry all is brushed under the carpet.  Joe Brolly only to call out and Spillane never had a stroke when he spoke about it. Dublin have rightly been called out for their cynical play over the years why Kerry b

Lol.. A dub saying Kerry were cynical, definition of Irony

I did state Dublin have rightly been called out on it.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: yellowcard on July 11, 2022, 04:35:19 PM
Very simple. They have ex players all over the media, way more than any other county. That helps big time. You could probably put together a first XV of ex Kerry players working in the media.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: weareros on July 11, 2022, 04:55:59 PM
Make a tactical foul a 14 yard free in front of goals, like free shots in Basketball. Other thing that could be borrowed from Basketball is that a team has a certain amount of time in possession before they must take a shot at goalposts. Some of the time eaten up by holding possession makes the game harder to watch. I understand that is rewarding the team that gets everyone back. But they will be in same boat. Something must be done about the long passages of going nowhere play.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 11, 2022, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 11, 2022, 04:55:59 PM
Make a tactical foul a 14 yard free in front of goals, like free shots in Basketball.

Fuk it, go the whole hog. Penalty. That'll soon cut it out.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: thewobbler on July 11, 2022, 11:40:21 PM
There's an understandable trend in football (same in NFL btw) that the closer you get to the business end of the season, the more referees turn a blind eye to aggressive play. Basically red card offences become yellow card offences, black card offences tends to become yellow card offences, or ignored completely.

I don't mind this approach myself. Gaelic football is at its heart a physical sport, and I've no interest in watching a freetaking contest to decide the destiny of Sam. The winners should have a bit of mettle and then some.

And because (us nordies especially) we only really start to analyse Kerry at the latter end of a championship, it does on occasion seem like they have a different set of rules. They don't. Not Kerry per se. The last eight, last four and last two have an incrementally different set of rules.

We just see more of Kerry and Dublin at these stages than anyone else, playing more often by the "bigger boy" rules. And for some observers, it manifests in paranoia.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 11, 2022, 11:44:50 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on July 11, 2022, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: weareros on July 11, 2022, 04:55:59 PM
Make a tactical foul a 14 yard free in front of goals, like free shots in Basketball.

Fuk it, go the whole hog. Penalty. That'll soon cut it out.

PENALTIES HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR GAME!!!

( ;))
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on July 27, 2022, 08:22:18 PM
Not often kerry cynical fouling is called out. At it for years but glossed over by likes of Spillane.

https://www.the42.ie/kerry-defending-5826336-Jul2022/
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: rrhf on July 27, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
I thinkPaddy Tally has cleaned up the Kerry tackling, much .ore disciplined and on a par with Tyrone. Rumours that Ricey might be helping there next year .
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: rosnarun on July 28, 2022, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 27, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
I thinkPaddy Tally has cleaned up the Kerry tackling, much .ore disciplined and on a par with Tyrone. Rumours that Ricey might be helping there next year .
and when exactly did tyrone stop being cynical?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: clubman21 on July 28, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 28, 2022, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 27, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
I thinkPaddy Tally has cleaned up the Kerry tackling, much .ore disciplined and on a par with Tyrone. Rumours that Ricey might be helping there next year .
and when exactly did tyrone stop being cynical?
Every teams cynical especially the best, it's part of the game. end thread
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: clubman21 on July 28, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 28, 2022, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 27, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
I thinkPaddy Tally has cleaned up the Kerry tackling, much .ore disciplined and on a par with Tyrone. Rumours that Ricey might be helping there next year .
and when exactly did tyrone stop being cynical?
Every teams cynical especially the best, it's part of the game. end thread

Yeah move on, the best teams play on the edge
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: johnnycool on July 29, 2022, 11:02:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 28, 2022, 12:23:30 PM
Quote from: clubman21 on July 28, 2022, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on July 28, 2022, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: rrhf on July 27, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
I thinkPaddy Tally has cleaned up the Kerry tackling, much .ore disciplined and on a par with Tyrone. Rumours that Ricey might be helping there next year .
and when exactly did tyrone stop being cynical?
Every teams cynical especially the best, it's part of the game. end thread

Yeah move on, the best teams play on the edge

As a referee, should more yellows be dished out when teams are prevented from counterattacking quickly by the cynical tug back and the likes?

Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: imtommygunn on July 29, 2022, 11:06:59 AM
If there are patterns though to teams fouling - e.g. with what has been identified here - then it should be looked at. It's one thing to play on the edge but if there's a pattern to it and is advantageous and systemic etc then things should be looked at. It's different several individuals playing on the edge.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:20:37 AM
The oul "clumsy tackle" foul by forwards on defenders to prevent a quick counter attack is one of the most cynical going and is no doubt a tactic.
Refs seldom take any card action presumably as they don't want to slow proceedings and it's far away from goal.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 11, 2022, 11:40:21 PM
There's an understandable trend in football (same in NFL btw) that the closer you get to the business end of the season, the more referees turn a blind eye to aggressive play. Basically red card offences become yellow card offences, black card offences tends to become yellow card offences, or ignored completely.

I don't mind this approach myself. Gaelic football is at its heart a physical sport, and I've no interest in watching a freetaking contest to decide the destiny of Sam. The winners should have a bit of mettle and then some.

And because (us nordies especially) we only really start to analyse Kerry at the latter end of a championship, it does on occasion seem like they have a different set of rules. They don't. Not Kerry per se. The last eight, last four and last two have an incrementally different set of rules.

We just see more of Kerry and Dublin at these stages than anyone else, playing more often by the "bigger boy" rules. And for some observers, it manifests in paranoia.

I'd tend to agree with this.  In the latter stages referees feel more compelled to help create a better game, and that often means making different decisions than they normally would.  The commentary around games only feeds this, as seen when a referee is said to ruin a game for giving a red card at a crucial juncture when in fact it is the player themselves who have caused the issue, not the referee (unless it's overwhelmingly stupid like Donie Vaughan!)  There's plenty of exceptions to this where strong referees have made decisions which haven't helped the game, but overall there is a tendency throughout games to be that bit more lenient.

Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:20:37 AM
The oul "clumsy tackle" foul by forwards on defenders to prevent a quick counter attack is one of the most cynical going and us no doubtca tactic.
Refs seldom take any card action presumably as they don't want to slow proceedings and it's far away from goal.

Could we make a distinction between a "genuine" foul and a "cyncial" foul?  Any "cynical" foul coming out of your own half is automatically brought to midfield, or 30 yards forward (whichever is further.)  As I recall, there was a previous motion defeated to bring frees forward 30M for interference/dissent (or a distance like that.)  It probably won't solve a whole pile, but it is surely better. 

Referees need to be much more stringent on any form of interference of a free, and increasing the distance forward will help a little at least.  Once a free is given, any attempt to play the ball or the man should automatically be brought forward without any hesitation.  Say in the example of a "cynical" foul on the 13m line aimed at just stopping the play.  The ball is brought forward to midfield but the player continues to hold the player on the ground to not allow him to get the ball away for the free to be taken.  The ball is now moved from midfield a further 30 yards, which is  around 45.  Surely it acts as some form of deterrent?  I don't think this is a particularly big change, nor difficult to apply.  A "cynical" foul coming out of defence is any foul where the tackler fouls without trying to play the ball (rather than dragging down etc used for the black card.)   
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 31, 2022, 08:39:29 AM
Moving the ball up makes no difference, unless it becomes scoreable.

I'd suggest offender gets 10 mins to cool their jets - no replacement.


To avoid the options available to the referee becoming too complex wonder is it rolling the sin bin in with a yellow, so you'd have:

- black; player off, can be replaced
- yellow; player off for 10 mins, can't be replaced, 2 yellows = red as current
- red; player off for remainder of game, can't be replaced.

A team losing a player for 10 mins would hurt them far more than 30m concession on a free.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 31, 2022, 01:52:26 PM
Kerry are cynical? This is news on a par with water is wet.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: JoG2 on July 31, 2022, 03:53:54 PM
'insert county name' cynical play... Thread must have been started by someone who watches very little football
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:20:37 AM
The oul "clumsy tackle" foul by forwards on defenders to prevent a quick counter attack is one of the most cynical going and us no doubtca tactic.
Refs seldom take any card action presumably as they don't want to slow proceedings and it's far away from goal.

Could we make a distinction between a "genuine" foul and a "cyncial" foul?  Any "cynical" foul coming out of your own half is automatically brought to midfield, or 30 yards forward (whichever is further.)  As I recall, there was a previous motion defeated to bring frees forward 30M for interference/dissent (or a distance like that.)  It probably won't solve a whole pile, but it is surely better. 

Referees need to be much more stringent on any form of interference of a free, and increasing the distance forward will help a little at least.  Once a free is given, any attempt to play the ball or the man should automatically be brought forward without any hesitation.  Say in the example of a "cynical" foul on the 13m line aimed at just stopping the play.  The ball is brought forward to midfield but the player continues to hold the player on the ground to not allow him to get the ball away for the free to be taken.  The ball is now moved from midfield a further 30 yards, which is  around 45.  Surely it acts as some form of deterrent?  I don't think this is a particularly big change, nor difficult to apply.  A "cynical" foul coming out of defence is any foul where the tackler fouls without trying to play the ball (rather than dragging down etc used for the black card.)

How on earth do you do that and expect referees to implement consistently?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: keep her low this half on August 01, 2022, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:20:37 AM
The oul "clumsy tackle" foul by forwards on defenders to prevent a quick counter attack is one of the most cynical going and us no doubtca tactic.
Refs seldom take any card action presumably as they don't want to slow proceedings and it's far away from goal.

Could we make a distinction between a "genuine" foul and a "cyncial" foul?  Any "cynical" foul coming out of your own half is automatically brought to midfield, or 30 yards forward (whichever is further.)  As I recall, there was a previous motion defeated to bring frees forward 30M for interference/dissent (or a distance like that.)  It probably won't solve a whole pile, but it is surely better. 

Referees need to be much more stringent on any form of interference of a free, and increasing the distance forward will help a little at least.  Once a free is given, any attempt to play the ball or the man should automatically be brought forward without any hesitation.  Say in the example of a "cynical" foul on the 13m line aimed at just stopping the play.  The ball is brought forward to midfield but the player continues to hold the player on the ground to not allow him to get the ball away for the free to be taken.  The ball is now moved from midfield a further 30 yards, which is  around 45.  Surely it acts as some form of deterrent?  I don't think this is a particularly big change, nor difficult to apply.  A "cynical" foul coming out of defence is any foul where the tackler fouls without trying to play the ball (rather than dragging down etc used for the black card.)

How on earth do you do that and expect referees to implement consistently?

Very very difficult to be consistent for any ref.
If the tackler attempts to play the ball and mistimes it, genuine tackle, free move on.
If the tackler makes no attempt to play the ball, cynical foul and a card, colour of card open to debate.
The referee has to judge if the tackler was attempting to play the ball but should the referee not be judging that all the time?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on July 11, 2022, 11:40:21 PM
There's an understandable trend in football (same in NFL btw) that the closer you get to the business end of the season, the more referees turn a blind eye to aggressive play. Basically red card offences become yellow card offences, black card offences tends to become yellow card offences, or ignored completely.

I don't mind this approach myself. Gaelic football is at its heart a physical sport, and I've no interest in watching a freetaking contest to decide the destiny of Sam. The winners should have a bit of mettle and then some.

And because (us nordies especially) we only really start to analyse Kerry at the latter end of a championship, it does on occasion seem like they have a different set of rules. They don't. Not Kerry per se. The last eight, last four and last two have an incrementally different set of rules.

We just see more of Kerry and Dublin at these stages than anyone else, playing more often by the "bigger boy" rules. And for some observers, it manifests in paranoia.

I'd tend to agree with this.  In the latter stages referees feel more compelled to help create a better game, and that often means making different decisions than they normally would.  The commentary around games only feeds this, as seen when a referee is said to ruin a game for giving a red card at a crucial juncture when in fact it is the player themselves who have caused the issue, not the referee (unless it's overwhelmingly stupid like Donie Vaughan!)  There's plenty of exceptions to this where strong referees have made decisions which haven't helped the game, but overall there is a tendency throughout games to be that bit more lenient.

The referee is not there to make the game 'better' or or let it flow... That is entirely down to the players and the managers tactics, he's only there to officiate the game, christ he couldn't give a monkeys who wins or when the foul is committed ..

Portlaois played the Clare champions in the All Ireland club semi final 12 years ago, in the first tackle after seconds the Portlaois lad carried out a straight red card offence, probably thought I'd leave a marker on this lad early and won't get a card, red card and the Clare champions went off to Croke Park.

Lunacy by the player but the ref was left with no choice and did the right thing and not what the commentators are looking for..

Please get it out of your heads that the ref wants to make it better, if there is a man sent off it actually makes his game easier, so he'll take that all day
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:20:37 AM
The oul "clumsy tackle" foul by forwards on defenders to prevent a quick counter attack is one of the most cynical going and us no doubtca tactic.
Refs seldom take any card action presumably as they don't want to slow proceedings and it's far away from goal.

Could we make a distinction between a "genuine" foul and a "cyncial" foul?  Any "cynical" foul coming out of your own half is automatically brought to midfield, or 30 yards forward (whichever is further.)  As I recall, there was a previous motion defeated to bring frees forward 30M for interference/dissent (or a distance like that.)  It probably won't solve a whole pile, but it is surely better. 

Referees need to be much more stringent on any form of interference of a free, and increasing the distance forward will help a little at least.  Once a free is given, any attempt to play the ball or the man should automatically be brought forward without any hesitation.  Say in the example of a "cynical" foul on the 13m line aimed at just stopping the play.  The ball is brought forward to midfield but the player continues to hold the player on the ground to not allow him to get the ball away for the free to be taken.  The ball is now moved from midfield a further 30 yards, which is  around 45.  Surely it acts as some form of deterrent?  I don't think this is a particularly big change, nor difficult to apply.  A "cynical" foul coming out of defence is any foul where the tackler fouls without trying to play the ball (rather than dragging down etc used for the black card.)

How on earth do you do that and expect referees to implement consistently?

A genuine foul? and a cynical foul? they are still fouls regardless, if a players plays the man instead of the ball he's being cynical, if he's pulling his top, then he preventing him from playing that's also cynical and a genuine foul..

Its clear as mud at times but, deliberate is used in the black card rules, can only go with that, until its changed, this ever changing rule book
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: blanketattack on August 08, 2022, 09:57:22 AM
Quote from: keep her low this half on August 01, 2022, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on August 01, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
Quote from: Lucifer on July 29, 2022, 11:44:49 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 29, 2022, 11:20:37 AM
The oul "clumsy tackle" foul by forwards on defenders to prevent a quick counter attack is one of the most cynical going and us no doubtca tactic.
Refs seldom take any card action presumably as they don't want to slow proceedings and it's far away from goal.

Could we make a distinction between a "genuine" foul and a "cyncial" foul?  Any "cynical" foul coming out of your own half is automatically brought to midfield, or 30 yards forward (whichever is further.)  As I recall, there was a previous motion defeated to bring frees forward 30M for interference/dissent (or a distance like that.)  It probably won't solve a whole pile, but it is surely better. 

Referees need to be much more stringent on any form of interference of a free, and increasing the distance forward will help a little at least.  Once a free is given, any attempt to play the ball or the man should automatically be brought forward without any hesitation.  Say in the example of a "cynical" foul on the 13m line aimed at just stopping the play.  The ball is brought forward to midfield but the player continues to hold the player on the ground to not allow him to get the ball away for the free to be taken.  The ball is now moved from midfield a further 30 yards, which is  around 45.  Surely it acts as some form of deterrent?  I don't think this is a particularly big change, nor difficult to apply.  A "cynical" foul coming out of defence is any foul where the tackler fouls without trying to play the ball (rather than dragging down etc used for the black card.)

How on earth do you do that and expect referees to implement consistently?

Very very difficult to be consistent for any ref.
If the tackler attempts to play the ball and mistimes it, genuine tackle, free move on.
If the tackler makes no attempt to play the ball, cynical foul and a card, colour of card open to debate.
The referee has to judge if the tackler was attempting to play the ball but should the referee not be judging that all the time?

It's very easy to foul a player with a genuine attempt to play the ball, or at least looks genuine from a ref's point of view, but does the job of stopping the attack at source
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on March 08, 2023, 11:06:04 AM
I wonder would this chap do a article on kerry tactical  fouling?
Give an masterclass of it last weekend but will be glossed over by likes of Spillane.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41052782.html



Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on March 18, 2023, 09:34:31 PM
Another masterclass from the Kingdom men again.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on March 18, 2023, 09:36:23 PM
The saviours of Garlic Football though, pure and clean as the driven snow.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:54 PM
Definately weren't going to concede a goal at the end.

Never even tried to conceal their cynical play.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: twohands!!! on March 18, 2023, 09:38:58 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:54 PM
Definately weren't going to concede a goal at the end.

Never even tried to conceal their cynical play.

Why would they?

The rules don't punish it so any team would be stupid not to.

Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: galwayman on March 19, 2023, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:54 PM
Definately weren't going to concede a goal at the end.

Never even tried to conceal their cynical play.
Sure that's what every team should be doing late in a game surely if they're 3-4 points up?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Rossfan on March 19, 2023, 10:44:29 AM
Quote from: galwayman on March 19, 2023, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:54 PM
Definately weren't going to concede a goal at the end.

Never even tried to conceal their cynical play.
Sure that's what every team should be doing late in a game surely if they're 3-4 points up?
Once the punishment fits the crime.
It doesn't now.
4 or 5 lads in the sinbin might make a difference
Mind you some Refs are so inconsistent...likes of Kerry would still get away with murder.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: marty34 on March 19, 2023, 10:46:03 AM
Quote from: galwayman on March 19, 2023, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:54 PM
Definately weren't going to concede a goal at the end.

Never even tried to conceal their cynical play.
Sure that's what every team should be doing late in a game surely if they're 3-4 points up?

My point being is that, listening to everyone, that Kerry don't do cynical stuff at all.  They wouldn't entertain it.

It's just the northern teams that do the cynical stuff.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: PMG1 on March 19, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Count the number of yellow cards the Kerry forwards get to see how cynical they are. I think it was 4 out of the 6 forwards yday, they stop the play before the other team can build. David Clifford gets a yellow almost every game
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: tyrone08 on March 19, 2023, 03:09:53 PM
Quote from: PMG1 on March 19, 2023, 02:29:41 PM
Count the number of yellow cards the Kerry forwards get to see how cynical they are. I think it was 4 out of the 6 forwards yday, they stop the play before the other team can build. David Clifford gets a yellow almost every game

Thank you. Been saying that for a while. He is a cert for yellow every game.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on March 19, 2023, 08:20:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 18, 2023, 09:37:54 PM
Definately weren't going to concede a goal at the end.

Never even tried to conceal their cynical play.

Is that you, H??
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 03, 2023, 08:57:14 PM
He gets a yellow but he simply can't tackle, one thing supman can't do. Yes Kerry foul repeatly yet its never mentioned. Though there was a time you could issue a card for persistent fouling
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Jack Barry gets away with persistent fouling. Should have got the line at start of second half.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Jack Barry gets away with persistent fouling. Should have got the line at start of second half.

Behave ffs! Should Mccurry got red for punching player in Chest?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: reddgnhand on July 01, 2023, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Jack Barry gets away with persistent fouling. Should have got the line at start of second half.

Behave ffs! Should Mccurry got red for punching player in Chest?

Yes
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 05:43:06 PM
Black card for player late on who body checked Clifford ? Tyrone were cynical also. Hammered out the gate but I suppose this thread makes it better ;D
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 10:24:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Jack Barry gets away with persistent fouling. Should have got the line at start of second half.

Behave ffs! Should Mccurry got red for punching player in Chest?

Agree McCurry should have got the line. Cawley bottled that decision too.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: HokeyPokey on July 01, 2023, 10:36:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Jack Barry gets away with persistent fouling. Should have got the line at start of second half.

Behave ffs! Should Mccurry got red for punching player in Chest?

McCurry should 100% have got the line, but that wouldn't have affected the outcome. I very much doubt he would have went for a petulant swing if we weren't being battered and it was in the balance. None of the officials saw McCurry but they saw Barry. Barry would have got a yellow if he hadn't already been booked. The ref gave out two yellows after for less not long after. He took the easy option with Barry.

I very much doubt it would have affected the overall outcome, Kerry were massively up for it while Tyrone were flat and low on ideas, but you never know...
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: marty34 on July 01, 2023, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 10:24:13 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 01, 2023, 05:30:33 PM
Jack Barry gets away with persistent fouling. Should have got the line at start of second half.

Behave ffs! Should Mccurry got red for punching player in Chest?

Agree McCurry should have got the line. Cawley bottled that decision too.

I think the linesman was on the wrong side to see it in fairness.  If you look at it again, you can see he couldn't see it.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Conor Meyler and now Shane McGuigan got the Kerry treatment today. When will someone from likes of indo have balls to call out kerry fouling instead of having their tongues up their hole?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2023, 06:23:05 PM
Cynical or smart play?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: LeoMc on July 16, 2023, 06:24:25 PM
Ye hammer the hammer
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Piskin on July 16, 2023, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Conor Meyler and now Shane McGuigan got the Kerry treatment today. When will someone from likes of indo have balls to call out kerry fouling instead of having their tongues up their hole?


Have a few pints or a shag and you will be alright...
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: Piskin on July 16, 2023, 06:39:03 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Conor Meyler and now Shane McGuigan got the Kerry treatment today. When will someone from likes of indo have balls to call out kerry fouling instead of having their tongues up their hole?


Have a few pints or a shag and you will be alright...

Thanks but no thanks
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: passedit on July 16, 2023, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Conor Meyler and now Shane McGuigan got the Kerry treatment today. When will someone from likes of indo have balls to call out kerry fouling instead of having their tongues up their hole?

Doesn't fit the narrative. Everywhere you look in the papers it's ex Kerry players or Kerry arselickers. They've been at that shite since they kicked Antrim off the pitch in the forties (probably before). Winners write the history
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:43:41 PM
Tell ye what when Derry folk are driving up the road this evening they won't be thinking about paranoid Tyrone supporters when it comes to Kerry. They just got a real lesson today in Kerry cynicism.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Piskin on July 16, 2023, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on July 16, 2023, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Conor Meyler and now Shane McGuigan got the Kerry treatment today. When will someone from likes of indo have balls to call out kerry fouling instead of having their tongues up their hole?

Doesn't fit the narrative. Everywhere you look in the papers it's ex Kerry players or Kerry arselickers. They've been at that shite since they kicked Antrim off the pitch in the forties (probably before). Winners write the history

Is that you again Brolly?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Piskin on July 16, 2023, 07:47:50 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:43:41 PM
Tell ye what when Derry folk are driving up the road this evening they won't be thinking about paranoid Tyrone supporters when it comes to Kerry. They just got a real lesson today in Kerry cynicism.

Northern teams getting a dose of their own medicine morelike...dry your eyes!!
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: passedit on July 16, 2023, 07:56:47 PM
Quote from: Piskin on July 16, 2023, 07:46:11 PM
Quote from: passedit on July 16, 2023, 07:39:40 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM
Conor Meyler and now Shane McGuigan got the Kerry treatment today. When will someone from likes of indo have balls to call out kerry fouling instead of having their tongues up their hole?

Doesn't fit the narrative. Everywhere you look in the papers it's ex Kerry players or Kerry arselickers. They've been at that shite since they kicked Antrim off the pitch in the forties (probably before). Winners write the history

Is that you again Brolly?
Nicholas Walsh. Or maybe Michael Murphy
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: marty34 on July 16, 2023, 08:23:56 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Definately not.

Mc Kinless was hitting the quick free and as he tried to kick it, O'Shea dived in to flick the ball away.

Both got hurt.

As cynical as you'll see.  Not just one cynical tackle but two.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 08:47:55 PM
https://twitter.com/Stevie_Poacher/status/1680603518627991552?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2023, 12:27:10 AM
Must be the dirtiest team we played in years.Derry hadnt got the rough players like F Doherty, H Downey, McGilligan from years ago. Derry were too.nice today.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Piskin on July 17, 2023, 01:32:37 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2023, 12:27:10 AM
Must be the dirtiest team we played in years.Derry hadnt got the rough players like F Doherty, H Downey, McGilligan from years ago. Derry were too.nice today.

Derry were clueless morelike
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: naka on July 17, 2023, 03:38:57 AM
Quote from: Gael85 on July 27, 2022, 08:22:18 PM


https://www.the42.ie/kerry-defending-5826336-Jul2022/
From last year
Think Kerry have taken it up a notch
The abuse Mc guigan  received was appalling.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Eire90 on July 17, 2023, 05:53:09 AM
did kerry do anything out of the ordinary in terms of dark arts or aggressiveness
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: NotedObserver on July 17, 2023, 06:02:17 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 17, 2023, 05:53:09 AM
did kerry do anything out of the ordinary in terms of dark arts or aggressiveness

No
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: omochain on July 17, 2023, 06:29:35 AM
Quote from: NotedObserver on July 17, 2023, 06:02:17 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 17, 2023, 05:53:09 AM
did kerry do anything out of the ordinary in terms of dark arts or aggressiveness

No

Like all other things in the beautiful game they are just better at it😜
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 17, 2023, 07:57:35 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on July 17, 2023, 05:53:09 AM
did kerry do anything out of the ordinary in terms of dark arts or aggressiveness

Nothing out of the ordinary. Just there usual playbook in terms of dark arts.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Armagh18 on July 17, 2023, 09:47:10 AM
Yet to watch a team that didn't practice the "dark arts".... People giving out must never have played football....
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2023, 09:55:33 AM
I don't even think it's that they are into the "dark arts". There is a constant message about saving football and then any time any other team taught them a lesson, usually tyrone, it was because they were into the "dark arts".  It's the hypocrisy that you get with them.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2023, 09:59:37 AM
From yesterday game, I say Derry did no late hits. Count the number Kerry did and head high tackles. As much as Derry threw it away, the ref didn't help them. Clifford got ever easy free going, and Derry didn't smoke him, McGuigan must been lamped 4 times.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2023, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on July 17, 2023, 09:59:37 AM
From yesterday game, I say Derry did no late hits. Count the number Kerry did and head high tackles. As much as Derry threw it away, the ref didn't help them. Clifford got ever easy free going, and Derry didn't smoke him, McGuigan must been lamped 4 times.

Have you got the free count, including advantages played? Be interested in knowing that
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: redzone on July 17, 2023, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.
Mckinless got his commpunce there. He tryed his best to kick O'Shea as hard as he good.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: clarshack on July 17, 2023, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/the-sunday-game-live/SI0000001909

go to 2:02:00

the ball is gone and O'Shea gets a right oul boot. that's how McKinless injured himself.

It all resulted from a very cyncical foul from O'Brien though.

Hopefully McKinless isn't too badly injured.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2023, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/the-sunday-game-live/SI0000001909

go to 2:02:00

the ball is gone and O'Shea gets a right oul boot. that's how McKinless injured himself.

It all resulted from a very cyncical foul from O'Brien though.

Hopefully McKinless isn't too badly injured.

What is the point you're making? That McKinless kicked O'Shea on purpose?
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: redzone on July 17, 2023, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2023, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/the-sunday-game-live/SI0000001909

go to 2:02:00

the ball is gone and O'Shea gets a right oul boot. that's how McKinless injured himself.

It all resulted from a very cyncical foul from O'Brien though.

Hopefully McKinless isn't too badly injured.

What is the point you're making? That McKinless kicked O'Shea on purpose?
That's exactly what he done.
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: grassHarrow on July 17, 2023, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2023, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2023, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/the-sunday-game-live/SI0000001909

go to 2:02:00

the ball is gone and O'Shea gets a right oul boot. that's how McKinless injured himself.

It all resulted from a very cyncical foul from O'Brien though.

Hopefully McKinless isn't too badly injured.

What is the point you're making? That McKinless kicked O'Shea on purpose?
That's exactly what he done.
Anyone that does what SOS did deserves what he got ....
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Piskin on July 17, 2023, 11:17:01 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: clarshack on July 17, 2023, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.

https://www.rte.ie/player/series/the-sunday-game-live/SI0000001909

go to 2:02:00

the ball is gone and O'Shea gets a right oul boot. that's how McKinless injured himself.

It all resulted from a very cyncical foul from O'Brien though.

Hopefully McKinless isn't too badly injured.

What is the point you're making? That McKinless kicked O'Shea on purpose?

Yes he did...
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: JoG2 on July 18, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2023, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.
Mckinless got his commpunce there. He tryed his best to kick O'Shea as hard as he good.

You are taking Derry's rise and performance on Sunday very badly  8)
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: Piskin on July 18, 2023, 04:57:25 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2023, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.
Mckinless got his commpunce there. He tryed his best to kick O'Shea as hard as he good.

Deffo...
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: redzone on July 18, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 18, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2023, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.
Mckinless got his commpunce there. He tryed his best to kick O'Shea as hard as he good.

You are taking Derry's rise and performance on Sunday very badly 
I wanted Derry to win on Sunday same as any other Ulster gael.
Still haven't forgot how you stuck up for Gallagher or never condoned what he done
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: JoG2 on July 18, 2023, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 18, 2023, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on July 18, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
Quote from: redzone on July 17, 2023, 10:13:21 AM
Quote from: Wolfetones on July 17, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: clarshack on July 16, 2023, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: BuzzCagney on July 16, 2023, 07:53:44 PM
Will the Sunday Game be looking at Sean OShea incident with McKinless? Two Derry lads taken cynically and no cards.

Would need to see it again but did McKinless not drive the boot in him after?

Are you on drugs? O'Shea stops McKinless from taking a quick free and in the process of it gets kicked. McKinless ends up seriously injured in the middle of it all.
Mckinless got his commpunce there. He tryed his best to kick O'Shea as hard as he good.

You are taking Derry's rise and performance on Sunday very badly 
I wanted Derry to win on Sunday same as any other Ulster gael.
Still haven't forgot how you stuck up for Gallagher or never condoned what he done

Stick to the football sure, I don't involve myself in online political or personal stuff
Title: Re: Kerry Cynical Play
Post by: BuzzCagney on July 25, 2023, 11:11:14 PM
Gough will be busy Sunday with two cynical teams.  Gough very generous to Kerry since missed the Kevin McMenamin shoulder on Peter Crowley in 2016.