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#2221
General discussion / Re: Mr & Mrs Robinson
January 28, 2010, 05:59:21 PM
Maybe I havn't spotted them at Hillsborough, but has anyone else seen Jeffrey or Willy at the talks?
#2222
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 28, 2010, 05:53:40 PM
tyrones own, on more than one occasion you have referred to the US as "we".
So, in light of that, why don't you change your name to "America's Own" and take down our flag
and fly the stars and stipes of your country?
If you have that much pride in your military/killing machine,  then it would be a logical step eh?
#2223
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 28, 2010, 12:02:41 AM
Celt Man, No, Hitler was not democratically elected.

Yes, fair play to the US rescuing a man from the rubble. Just think how many more could have been rescued if they had of deployed their troops earlier, or allowed rescue teams to land at the airport.


What is happening right now is not the point of my argument, but rather the fact that in the aftermath of the earthquake, when food and water was most needed, the US were more worried about getting troops on the ground.

There will be a few enquiries into how the whole response to Haiti was handled, and if i'm wrong about my stand, then i'll apologise to all concerned and tip my hat to the US.

Yes the family of the man rescued will be forever grateful to the US troop who rescued him, likewise the family of the people rescued by the Israeli troops. If I was rescued by anyone, I would also be eternally grateful.
However, the whole nation of Haiti wouldn't be too grateful to the US and France for their past behaviour.

Below is an excellent piece on Haiti by Noam Chomsky.
It is as relevant today as it was when it was first published.


The "Noble Phase" and "Saintly Glow" of US Foreign Policy
Noam Chomsky March 9, 2004 from the book
Getting Haiti Right This Time

The U.S. and the Coup

Noam Chomsky, Paul Farmer, Amy Goodman
Common Courage Press, 2004, paper

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Those who have any concern for Haiti will naturally want to understand how its most recent tragedy has been unfolding. And for those who have had the privilege of any contact with the people of this tortured land, it is not just natural but inescapable. Nevertheless, we make a serious error if we focus too narrowly on the events of the recent past, or even on Haiti alone. The crucial issue for us is what we should be doing about what is taking place. That would be true even if our options and our responsibility were limited; far more so when they are immense and decisive, as in the case of Haiti. And even more so because the course of the terrible story was predictable years ago-if we failed to act to prevent it. And fail we did. The lessons are clear, and so important that they would be the topic of daily front-page articles in a free press.

Reviewing what was taking place in Haiti shortly after Clinton "restored democracy" in 1994, I was compelled to conclude, unhappily, in Z Magazine that "It would not be very surprising, then, if the Haitian operations become another catastrophe," and if so, "It is not a difficult chore to trot out the familiar phrases that will explain the failure of our mission of benevolence in this failed society." The reasons were evident to anyone who chose to look. And the familiar phrases again resound, sadly and predictably.

There is much solemn discussion today explaining, correctly, that democracy means more than flipping a lever every \ few years. Functioning democracy has preconditions. One is that the population should have some way to learn what is happening in the world. The real world, not the self-serving portrait offered by the "establishment press," which is disfigured by its "subservience to state power" and "the usual hostility to popular movements"-the accurate words of Paul Farmer, whose work on Haiti is, in its own way, perhaps even as remarkable as what he has accomplished within the country. Farmer was writing in 1993, reviewing mainstream commentary and reporting on Haiti, a disgraceful record that goes back to the days of Wilson's vicious and destructive invasion in 1915, and on to the present. The facts are extensively documented, appalling, and shameful. And they are deemed irrelevant for the usual reasons: they do not conform to the required self-image, and so are efficiently dispatched deep into the memory hole, though they can be unearthed by those who have some interest in the real world

They will rarely be found, however, in the "establishment press." Keeping to the more liberal and knowledgeable end of the spectrum, the standard version is that in "failed states" like Haiti and Iraq the US must become engaged in benevolent "nation-building" to "enhance democracy," a "noble goal" but one that may be beyond our means because of the inadequacies of the objects of our solicitude. In Haiti, despite Washington's dedicated efforts from Wilson to FDR while the country was under Marine occupation, "the new dawn of Haitian democracy never came." And "not all America's good wishes, nor all its Marines, can achieve [democracy today] until the Haitians do it themselves" (H.D.S. Greenway, Boston Globe). As New York Times correspondent R.W. Apple recounted two centuries of history in 1994, reflecting on the prospects for Clinton's endeavor to "restore democracy" then underway, "Like the French in the 19th century, like the Marines who occupied Haiti from 1915 to 1934, the American forces who are trying to impose a new order will confront a complex and violent society with no history of democracy."

Apple does appear to go a bit beyond the norm in his reference to Napoleon's savage assault on Haiti, leaving it in ruins, in order to prevent the crime of liberation in the world's richest colony, the source of much of France's wealth. But perhaps that undertaking too satisfies the fundamental criterion of benevolence: it was supported by the United States, which was naturally outraged and frightened by "the first nation in the world to argue the case of universal freedom for all humankind, revealing the limited definition of freedom adopted by the French and American revolutions." So Haitian historian Patrick Bellegarde-Smith writes accurately describing the terror in the slave state next door, which was not relieved even when Haiti's successful liberation struggle, at enormous cost, opened the way to the expansion to the West by compelling Napoleon to accept the Louisiana Purchase. The US continued to do what it could to strangle Haiti, even supporting France's insistence that Haiti pay a huge indemnity for the crime of liberating itself, a burden it has never escaped-and France, of course, dismisses with elegant disdain Haiti's request, recently under Aristide, that it at least repay the indemnity, forgetting the responsibilities that a_ civilized society would accept.

The basic contours of what led to the current tragedy are pretty clear. Just beginning with the 1990 election of Aristide (far too narrow a time frame), Washington was appalled by the election of a populist candidate with a grass-roots constituency just as it had been appalled by the prospect of the hemisphere's first free country on its doorstep two centuries earlier. Washington's traditional allies in Haiti naturally agreed. "The fear of democracy exists, by definitional necessity, in elite groups who monopolize economic and political power," Bellegarde-Smith observes in his perceptive history of Haiti (Haiti: The Breached Citadel); whether in Haiti or the US or anywhere else.

The threat of democracy in Haiti in 1991 was even more ominous because of the favorable reaction of the international financial institutions (World Bank, Inter-American Development Bank) to Aristide's programs, which awakened traditional concerns over the "virus" effect of successful independent development. These are familiar themes in international affairs: American independence aroused similar concerns among European leaders. The dangers are commonly perceived to be particularly grave in a country like Haiti, which had been ravaged by France and then reduced to utter misery by a century of US intervention. If even people in such dire circumstances can take their fate into their own hands, who knows what might happen elsewhere as the "contagion spreads."

The Bush I administration reacted to the disaster of democracy by shifting aid from the democratically elected government to what are called "democratic forces": the wealthy elites and the business sectors, who, along with the murderers and torturers of the military and paramilitaries, had been lauded by the current incumbents in Washington, in their Reaganite phase, for their progress in "democratic development," justifying lavish new aid. The praise came in response to ratification by the Haitian people of a law granting Washington's client killer and torturer Baby Doc Duvalier the authority to suspend the rights of any political party without reasons. The referendum passed by a majority of 99.98%. It therefore marked a positive step towards democracy as compared with the 99% approval of a 1918 law granting US corporations the right to turn the country into a US plantation, passed by 5% of the population after the Haitian Parliament was disbanded at gunpoint by Wilson's Marines when it refused to accept this "progressive measure," essential for "economic development." Their reaction to Baby Doc's encouraging progress towards democracy was characteristic-worldwide-on the part of the visionaries who are now entrancing educated opinion with their dedication to bringing democracy to a suffering world-although, to be sure, their actual exploits are being tastefully rewritten to satisfy current needs.

Refugees fleeing to the US from the terror of the US-backed dictatorships were forcefully returned, in gross violation of international humanitarian law. The policy was reversed when a democratically elected government took office. Though the flow of refugees reduced to a trickle, they were mostly granted political asylum. Policy returned to normal when a military junta overthrew the Aristide government after seven months, and state terrorist atrocities rose to new heights. The perpetrators were the army-the inheritors of the National Guard left by Wilson's invaders to control the population-and its paramilitary forces. The most important of these, FRAPH, was founded by CIA asset Emmanuel Constant, who now lives happily in Queens, Clinton and Bush II having dismissed extradition requests-because he would reveal US ties to the murderous junta, it is widely assumed. Constant's contributions to state terror were, after all, meager; merely prime responsibility for the murder of 4-5000 poor blacks.

Recall the core element of the Bush doctrine, which has "already become a de facto rule of international relations," Harvard's Graham Allison writes in Foreign Affairs: "those who harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves," in the President's words, and must be treated accordingly, by large-scale bombing and invasion.

When Aristide was overthrown by the 1991 military coup, the Organization of American States declared an embargo. Bush I announced that the US would violate it by exempting US firms. He was thus "fine tuning" the embargo for the benefit of the suffering population, the New York Times reported. Clinton authorized even more extreme violations of the embargo: US trade with the junta and its wealthy supporters sharply increased. The crucial element of the embargo was, of course, oil. While the CIA solemnly testified to Congress that the junta "probably will be out of fuel and power very shortly" and "Our intelligence efforts are focused on detecting attempts to circumvent the embargo and monitoring its impact," Clinton secretly authorized the Texaco Oil Company to ship oil to the junta illegally, in violation of presidential directives. This remarkable revelation was the lead story on the AP wires the day before Clinton sent the Marines to "restore democracy," impossible to miss-I happened to be monitoring AP wires that day and saw it repeated prominently over and over-and obviously of enormous significance for anyone who wanted to understand what was happening. It was suppressed with truly impressive discipline, though reported in industry journals along with scant mention buried in the business press.

Also efficiently suppressed were the crucial conditions that Clinton imposed for Aristide's return: that he adopt the program of the defeated U.S.-backed candidate in the 1990 elections, a former World Bank official who had received 14% of the vote. We call this "restoring democracy," a prime illustration of how US foreign policy has entered a "noble phase" with a "saintly glow," the national press explained. The harsh neoliberal program that Aristide was compelled to adopt was virtually guaranteed to demolish the remaining shreds of economic sovereignty, extending Wilson's progressive legislation and similar US-imposed measures since.

As democracy was thereby restored, the World Bank announced that "The renovated state must focus on an economic strategy centered on the energy and initiative of Civil Society, especially the private sector, both national and foreign." That has the merit of honesty: Haitian Civil Society includes the tiny rich elite and US corporations, but not the vast majority of the population, the peasants and slum-dwellers who had committed the grave sin of organizing to elect their own president. World Bank officers explained that the neoliberal program would benefit the "more open, enlightened, business class" and foreign investors, but assured us that the program "is not going to hurt the poor to the extent it has in other countries" subjected to structural adjustment, because the Haitian poor already lacked minimal protection from proper economic policy, such as subsidies for basic goods. Aristide's minister in charge of rural development and agrarian reform was not notified of the plans to be imposed on this largely peasant society, to be returned by "America's good wishes" to the track from which it veered briefly after the regrettable democratic election in 1990.
Matters then proceeded in their predictable course. A 1995 USAID report explained that the "export-driven trade and investment policy" that Washington imposed will "relentlessly squeeze the domestic rice farmer," who will be forced to turn to agroexport, with incidental benefits to US agribusiness and investors. Despite their extreme poverty, Haitian rice farmers are quite efficient, but cannot possibly compete with US agribusiness, even if it did not receive 40% of its profits from government subsidies, sharply increased under the Reaganites who are again in power, still producing enlightened rhetoric about the miracles of the market. We now read that Haiti cannot feed itself, another sign of a "failed state."

A few small industries were still able to function, for example, making chicken parts. But US conglomerates have a large surplus of dark meat, and therefore demanded the right to dump their excess products in Haiti. They tried to do the same in Canada and Mexico too, but there illegal dumping could be barred. Not in Haiti, compelled to submit to efficient market principles by the US government and the corporations it serves.
One might note that the Pentagon's proconsul in Iraq, Paul Bremer, ordered a very similar program to be instituted there, with the same beneficiaries in mind. That's also called "enhancing democracy." In fact, the record, highly revealing and important, goes back to the 18th century. Similar programs had a large role in creating today's third world. Meanwhile the powerful ignored the rules, except when they could benefit from them, and were able to become rich developed societies; dramatically the US, which led the way in modern protectionism and, particularly since World War II, has relied crucially on the dynamic state sector for innovation and development, socializing risk and cost.

The punishment of Haiti became much more severe under Bush 11-there are differences within the narrow spectrum of cruelty and greed. Aid was cut and international institutions were pressured to do likewise, under pretexts too outlandish to merit discussion. They are extensively reviewed in Paul Farmer's Uses of Haiti, and in some current press commentary, notably by Jeffrey Sachs (Financial Times) and Tracy Kidder (New York Times).

Putting details aside, what has happened since is eerily similar to the overthrow of Haiti's first democratic government in 1999. The Aristide government, once again, was undermined by planners, who understood, under Clinton, that the threat of democracy can be overcome if economic sovereignty is eliminated, and presumably also understood that economic development will also be a faint hope under such conditions, one of the best-confirmed lessons of economic history. Bush II planners are even more dedicated to undermining democracy and independence, and despised Aristide and the popular organizations that swept him to power with perhaps even more passion than their predecessors. The forces that reconquered the country are mostly inheritors of the US-installed army and paramilitary terrorists.

Those who are intent on diverting attention from the US role will object that the situation is more complex-as is always true-and that Aristide too was guilty of many crimes. Correct, but if he had been a saint the situation would hardly have developed very differently, as was evident in 1994, when the only real hope was that a democratic revolution in the US would make it possible to shift policy in a more civilized direction.
What is happening now is awful, maybe beyond repair. And there is plenty of short-term responsibility on all sides. But the right way for the US and France to proceed is very clear. They should begin with payment of enormous reparations to Haiti (France is perhaps even more hypocritical and disgraceful in this regard than the US). That, however, requires construction of functioning democratic societies in which, at the very least, people have a prayer of knowing what's going on. Commentary on Haiti, Iraq, and other "failed societies" is quite right in stressing the importance of overcoming the "democratic deficit" that substantially reduces the significance of elections. It does not, however, draw the obvious corollary: the lesson applies in spades to a country where "politics is the shadow cast on society by big business," in the words of America's leading social philosopher, John Dewey, describing his own country in days when the blight had spread nowhere near as far as it has today.

For those who are concerned with the substance of democracy and human rights, the basic tasks at home are also clear enough. They have been carried out before, with no slight success, and under incomparably harsher conditions elsewhere, including the slums and hills of Haiti. We do not have to submit, voluntarily, to living in a failed state suffering from an enormous democratic deficit.



#2224
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 27, 2010, 11:14:27 PM
I think my photograph above shows who are are the Dictator sympthizers are around here. Correct me if i'm wrong, but was Chavez not demoticratically elected? Were Hamas not democratically elected? Was Morales not elected democratically elected? Was Aristidle not democratically elected in Haiti, and then removed by US/France?

I may not support them, but they were elected by their own people, and in my books, that is democracy and I support the will of the people. Sure I even supported US democracy whenever they elected the worlds biggest warlord in Bush.

The US have been the biggest supporter of Dictators, and the biggest opponents of democracy.
Enough said.

#2225
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 27, 2010, 10:47:24 PM
Arthur, Donald Rumsfeld had no problem with Saddam, so why should Magickingdom?

#2226
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 27, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
Is this the bullshit you are talking about tyrones Own?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/797/heating-oil-chavez-venezuela

Help from Hugo Chavez: Free Heating Oil for Needy U.S. Families
by Vicki Ekstrom, Special to Stateline.
 
Close to 200,000 poor families in 15 cold-weather states -- in every Northeastern state except New Hampshire -- can thank controversial Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez for helping them heat their homes this winter.


The Venezuelan-controlled oil-refining company, Citgo Petroleum Corp., donated 45 million gallons of free home heating oil this winter in a move that bought good publicity for the country's socialist leader, who famously called President Bush "the devil" in a 2006 United Nations speech.

But New Hampshire's lack of participation in this year's free-oil program shows that accepting oil from Chavez, a frequent critic of the U.S. government, touches a political nerve.

"There's the thought that by participating we're somehow helping Venezuela and Chavez and that it's not something good for the U.S. government," said Gale Hennessey, director of Southern New Hampshire Services, which works with the state to administer aid to low-income households.

Venezuela's offer of free oil this winter came as the U.S. economy was slumping, federal assistance through the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) had dropped and home heating-oil prices hit a record high at more than $3.50 a gallon, according to the U.S. Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration database of monthly prices since 1990.

The almost 200,000 American families helped by Venezuela this winter is small compared with the almost 6 million families helped through LIHEAP. But LIHEAP was able to help only about 16% of families needing assistance, so Venezuela's program helped to fill a void until its supplies were exhausted early this winter season.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=351054&CategoryId=10717




CARACAS – President Hugo Chavez announced Monday that he would write off the undisclosed sum Haiti owes Venezuela for oil as part of the ALBA bloc's plans to help the impoverished Caribbean nation after the devastating Jan. 12 earthquake.

"Haiti has no debt with Venezuela, just the opposite: Venezuela has a historical debt with that nation, with that people for whom we feel not pity but rather admiration, and we share their faith, their hope," Chavez said after the extraordinary meeting of foreign ministers of the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas, or ALBA.

He also announced that ALBA has decided on a comprehensive plan that includes an immediate donation of $20 million to Haiti's health sector, and a fund that, Chavez said, will be at least $100 million "for starters."

Oil-rich Venezuela is the economic heart of ALBA, which also includes Cuba, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Dominica, Antigua and Barbuda, and St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Haiti is among several countries that send observers to ALBA meetings.

Chavez said one part of ALBA assistance to Haiti would consist of fuel distribution via "mobile service stations" set to be up and running within a few weeks.

The ALBA plan of aid for Haiti includes support for such sectors as agriculture, production, food imports and distribution, and immigration amnesty for Haitians living illegally in the bloc's member-states.

Cuba and Venezuela sent assistance and aid workers to Haiti within days of the magnitude-7.0 temblor that left an estimated 200,000 dead and 1.5 million people homeless.

The leftist Venezuelan leader also noted that there are some celebrities who want to work with ALBA, among whom he named actor Sean Penn, who, he said, called him because the members of a team of U.S. doctors now in Haiti want to "coordinate" their activities. EFE


#2227
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 27, 2010, 08:59:27 PM
Magic Kingdom, when you say that:

"everthing else the US does around the world is done for the greater good, sometimes it works sometimes not but the motivation is always for the greater good. if one country has to be a world policeman then thank God its the US,

Are you saying that the killing of over 1million people in Iraq and Afghanistan is for the greater good? The dropping of the A bomb in Japan, killing over 300,000 and leaving generations deformed was for the greater good? Was the dropping of Nepalm and slaughter of hundreds of thousands in Vietnam for the greater good?
Was the support of vicious dictators in Latin and South America who murdered hundreds of thousands also for the greater good? Has the death of over 5,000 US troops in Iraq been for the greater good? Sure if you think these acts are for the greater good, then why have you not followed in your fathers footsteps and fought for the greater good? I'm sure sitting on your ass is for the greater good.

I could go on and on about horrific events that have been carried out by the US, but sure in your eyes, they were for the greater good. What is your defination of the "Greater Good"? Slaughter innocent people? You are seriously deluded, and it's attitudes like yours that have the world in the mess it is in today.

Just because I am critical of US foreign policy doesn't make me a supporter of China, Cuba, Venezuela. That is the same line trotted out by Zionists whenever they call anyone jewish who is critical of Israel as a "Self Hating Jew".

Tyrones Own, the Palestinians don't need propaganda to dislike the US. On a daily basis they see their Apache helicopters, F16's, tanks, guns, Caterpillar dozers, murder, maim, and destroy their lives and homes.
But, sure maybe that is for the greater good eh?

Plus, they see the illegal Apartheid wall been built with Cement supplied by none other than the Irish company Cement Roadstone Holdings. (CRH)

But back to the title of the thread. I am critical of the US taking over the airport and using it to land thousands of troops, and at the same time turn away doctors, search and rescue teams, aid, medicine, etc, etc. What the media didn't show us was the thousands of aid workers from Cuba, Venezuela, Turkey, Pakistain, etc, etc enter Haiti through the Dominican Repbulic? Did they report that Chavez also sent in $100 million and that he dropped any debt that Haiti owed them? No, and i'm sure you never got to read that Chavez supplies free oil to the poor and homeless in your good ole USofA. No other US company were willing to do it.

If and when the US do some good work and the people in Haiti are thankful for that, I will be the 1st on here to praise them for it. However, right now, they have been more of a hinderance than a solution. It is like watching a repeat of New Orleans all over again.
#2228
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 27, 2010, 01:49:39 AM
TO, have a read through this article and you will find that the US are far from being the most generous when it comes to donating aid.

Have a read at some of the conditions they put on countries recieving aid.

You will find it all interesting reading

http://www.globalissues.org/article/35/us-and-foreign-aid-assistance
#2229
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 26, 2010, 11:36:56 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 26, 2010, 11:29:51 PM
Quote from: give her dixie on January 26, 2010, 09:24:26 PM


Let me point out this much, I have nothing against the US population, just the corrupt Government that sends troops into Haiti before life saving aid.



John, are you aware of what was happening on the ground before meaningful aid could be effectively distributed?

Yes. I have a few friends who are out here working at present. They have kept me well informed as to what is going on, and who is doing what in Haiti.
Plus, all you have to do is to watch the TV, and sure practically the only planes landing in Haiti in the 1st week were troops.
Aid was piled up and no one delivering it.

Did anyone watch ITV news last night where a UN truck arrived to deliver food to a stricken region. The UN officials handed everyone out forms to fill in. Most couldn't write. Then, the UN closed the back doors and drove off, leaving hungry people even hungrier.

It is a well documented fact that the unrest was hyped up by the US and the mainstream media.
#2230
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 26, 2010, 11:30:24 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 26, 2010, 10:36:17 PM
Are you saying you don't support or sympathize with Hamas?
This illustrates perfectly the point being made by a few of us here that you
dare to castrate the US over human rights violations while turning a blind eye
on China, Iran or Venezuela to name but a few >:(
The US is far from perfect no doubt and I do believe that message has been put out there
many many times on here but in the eyes of haters they can do Fcuk
all right ...ever  ::)  shameful really!

The thread is about the US role in Haiti. If there was a seperate thread on Hamas, China, Iran, or Venezuela then I would comment on that thread.

I tell you what, if you are so proud of the good work the US are doing in Haiti and in other places in the world, go on and fill us in. Let us know what they are doing good at the moment for humanity in the world.
#2231
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 26, 2010, 09:24:26 PM
It's amazing that in my reply to the thread title, I get attacked for my user name, for supporting the Taliban, Hamas, for watching the "wrong" News station, for disliking the US, etc, etc. Have these same people read my post? Have they any argument with what I said? Why the personal attacks?

Let me point out this much, I have nothing against the US population, just the corrupt Government that sends troops into Haiti before life saving aid. I attack them for sending $7million a day into Israel in order to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, including the slaughter of innocent children. I witnessed their handy work in Gaza where US built F16's dropped bombs 1 km from the Sports Club I was in, killing people in the process. I seen the construction of the 30 metre underground wall they are building along the Egyptian border to cut off the supply of food into Gaza. A wall they couldn't build in New Orleans. I was attacked by Egyptian forces who are paid for by the US Govt. to the tune of nearly $2billion per year. I seen their work in Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, etc, etc, where they propped up one ruthless dictator after another. Plus, last March, I surveyed the damage that their bombs and bullets did in pulverising Gaza, and killing 1,400 people in 3 weeks.

These are just some of the examples of what I have personally witnessed, and that is before I elaborate on Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc, etc.

So, if by critising US foreign policy for their total disregard for human rights and humanity happens to piss off a few people on this board, well, I couldn't care less.

#2232
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 26, 2010, 01:23:32 AM
We'll hardly hold our breaths for a positive slant on the US in even the slightest manner
from a man that frequents Al Jazeera for his news.

You talking about John O' Shea?
#2233
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 26, 2010, 12:18:08 AM
"There really is no help for people like you, you are too far gone and too much hate in your heart". 

Stew, it's people like me who have a heart can say what I said.

If you had of seen the same handy work of the US as me, then you wouldn't be so quick to put me down.

Again, I will repeat myself. "The US need to hang their head in shame for their role in Haiti right now."

And don't start me on their other achievements.

#2234
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 25, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
For nearly 2 weeks now the US have done nothing but put troops on the ground. Occupation all over again.
16,000 at the last count, while doctors perform amputations without even painkillers.
Millions of people have been starving, and left homeless, and the US send in their killing machines.

They have tied up the airport, while thousands of tonnes of aid doesn't get delivered.
A French plane carrying a mobile hospital gets refused for 3 DAYS to land, so Uncle Sam can get more troops on the ground.

This is New Orleans all over again. Starve the people for days, then they loot for food, and then Uncle Sam tells us they can't deliver food because of "Security Concerns".
Even John O' Shea buys into their propaganda, and refuses to deliver Irish Aid. All he wants is cash, and plenty of it. Shame on him big time for his stance on this one. This is him on Al Jazeera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X0-3FQqN3c

Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, France, Turkey, etc, etc, have all been on the ground working from the start and we don't hear a word about their work.

The US should hang their heads in shame for their role in Haiti right now, and for their continued illegal interference over the years there.
#2235
General discussion / Re: The Good American in Haiti
January 25, 2010, 11:10:29 PM
Can you give any good examples of the good work the US have done in Haiti?