Just two weeks away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 11/8
Dublin 13/8
Tyrone 15/2
Mayo 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Monaghan 25/1
Armagh 25/1
Kildare 80/1
Round 1 fixtures
Saturday 29th
Dublin v Armagh
Sunday 30th
Kildare v Kerry
Mayo v Donegal
Tyrone v Monaghan
How many players are countries allowed in the squad for NFL ?
As many as you like but is there a limit of 32 for claiming expenses off HQ?
26 for matchday.
I've read in a couple of places that MAyo v Donegal will be played in Markievicz Park.
Any reason why?
New pitch in McHale needs to settle in etc
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 11:57:47 AM
New pitch in McHale needs to settle in etc
Have Mayo no other pitch which could accommodate an early league game?
We bring them up to the "fine" surroundings of wintertime Fr. Tierney Park in Ballyshannon many years FFS. ;D
With 3,500 season ticket holders they can't be just stuck in any oul boghole of a park.
They're using Hyde and Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada for their other 2 "home" games.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 15, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Just two weeks away.
To win the Div 1 title
Kerry 11/8
Dublin 13/8
Tyrone 15/2
Mayo 8/1
Donegal 12/1
Monaghan 25/1
Armagh 25/1
Kildare 80/1
Round 1 fixtures
Saturday 29th
Dublin v Armagh
Sunday 30th
Kildare v Kerry
Mayo v Donegal
Tyrone v Monaghan
Bookies probably have it about right. Any of the bottom 5 could potentially get relegated, Though I fancy Armagh to stay up and Monaghan have been there so long you'd be a fool to bet against them. Sadly Kildare likely to yoyo but any of the other 4 could equally be relegated in my eyes.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2022, 01:11:34 PM
With 3,500 season ticket holders they can't be just stuck in any oul boghole of a park.
They're using Hyde and Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada for their other 2 "home" games.
With only 5k allowed in stadia are the season ticket holders guaranteed aye?
I'm hoping for some sort of review on this soon, in the hopes of getting to croke park on the 29th.
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's be two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Donegal and Mayo far from sure to stay up. Tyrone don't normally peak for the league but you'd expect them to do enough.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's be two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Donegal and Mayo far from sure to stay up. Tyrone don’t normally peak for the league but you’d expect them to do enough.
Depends if Donegal can get Murphy back fit. Mayo have Cillian O'Connor back in training and he alone should keep them away from a relegation battle.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 17, 2022, 11:12:07 AM
With only 5k allowed in stadia are the season ticket holders guaranteed aye?
I'm hoping for some sort of review on this soon, in the hopes of getting to croke park on the 29th.
It's been widely reported that outdoors sports for late January or early February to get a increase on how many can attend. Some even saying 50% of capacity is a possibility which should cover all NFL games.
A lot depends on how Mayo do in their home away from home games. The record in Castlebar in league games has been terrible for the past number of years, conversely their away form has thrown up surprising results. Need to hit the ground running against Donegal however as I agree with Upmeeyo in that any 2 from the bottom 5 in the Paddy Powers list could go down.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 17, 2022, 06:27:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's be two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Donegal and Mayo far from sure to stay up. Tyrone don't normally peak for the league but you'd expect them to do enough.
Depends if Donegal can get Murphy back fit. Mayo have Cillian O'Connor back in training and he alone should keep them away from a relegation battle.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 17, 2022, 11:12:07 AM
With only 5k allowed in stadia are the season ticket holders guaranteed aye?
I'm hoping for some sort of review on this soon, in the hopes of getting to croke park on the 29th.
It's been widely reported that outdoors sports for late January or early February to get a increase on how many can attend. Some even saying 50% of capacity is a possibility which should cover all NFL games.
did i see Mullin isnt going to Australia now? big plus for Mayo.
Are there any TV listings in place for games with RTÉ and TG4?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's be two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Donegal and Mayo far from sure to stay up. Tyrone don't normally peak for the league but you'd expect them to do enough.
We're usually in the mix for relegation all right going into the last two games.
I don't forsee us taking any points from away fixtures to Mayo, Dublin or Kerry.
So we're probably going to have to beat three of Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan and Armagh to stay up.
Armagh get the advantage of O'Donnell Park and our absolutely horrendous record there, it will have to be the other three!
Quote from: J70 on January 18, 2022, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's be two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Donegal and Mayo far from sure to stay up. Tyrone don't normally peak for the league but you'd expect them to do enough.
We're usually in the mix for relegation all right going into the last two games.
I don't forsee us taking any points from away fixtures to Mayo, Dublin or Kerry.
So we're probably going to have to beat three of Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan and Armagh to stay up.
Armagh get the advantage of O'Donnell Park and our absolutely horrendous record there, it will have to be the other three!
you're not away to Mayo - it's a neutral venue. Mayo have no home games this year and Ruane suspended for first couple of games, so could be in a battle from the start
Quote from: Tubberman on January 18, 2022, 01:24:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 18, 2022, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 17, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2022, 06:19:25 PM
Was there a whisper (Twitter gossip) of Mayo v Kildare to Croker instead of Carrick?
I think Kildare are really up against it to stay up. Kerry seem to be putting out strong teams already so not looking forward to their visit to Newbridge.
Overall I just don't want it all to fall apart before it starts. It's great to be back at the top table and the Dubs in Conleths will be a bit of craic.
Those odds pretty much show that it's be two of Kildare, Armagh and Monaghan to drop. I just don't trust Kildare to be consistent enough to scrape it.
Donegal and Mayo far from sure to stay up. Tyrone don't normally peak for the league but you'd expect them to do enough.
We're usually in the mix for relegation all right going into the last two games.
I don't forsee us taking any points from away fixtures to Mayo, Dublin or Kerry.
So we're probably going to have to beat three of Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan and Armagh to stay up.
Armagh get the advantage of O'Donnell Park and our absolutely horrendous record there, it will have to be the other three!
you're not away to Mayo - it's a neutral venue. Mayo have no home games this year and Ruane suspended for first couple of games, so could be in a battle from the start
We're utterly incapable of beating you even on Donegal soil.
Sligo ain't going to improve our ability to win those physical battles we always lose against Mayo.
Any word on what games are on TV?
Or when tickets are on sale??
There's always serious worry about the split season and the GAA losing the ground to other sports in summer but like the league is starting next weekend and there's not much hype!!
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 21, 2022, 01:09:19 PM
Any word on what games are on TV?
Or when tickets are on sale??
There's always serious worry about the split season and the GAA losing the ground to other sports in summer but like the league is starting next weekend and there's not much hype!!
There never was much hype about the league, but I agree, you'd hardly know they start next weekend without any TV interest so far.
Mayo v Donegal on TG4
Quote from: Tubberman on January 21, 2022, 08:10:40 PM
Mayo v Donegal on TG4
Will RTE take Eir Sport games? They used to show multiple games Saturday evening including Division 2.
Dublin v Armagh on RTE on Saturday evening.
Would assume Tyrone v Monaghan also on TG4 given the throw-in of 3.45
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 22, 2022, 11:51:02 AM
Dublin v Armagh on RTE on Saturday evening.
Would assume Tyrone v Monaghan also on TG4 given the throw-in of 3.45
When do tickets go on sale?
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 22, 2022, 11:51:02 AM
Dublin v Armagh on RTE on Saturday evening.
Would assume Tyrone v Monaghan also on TG4 given the throw-in of 3.45
It is and Kildare v Kerry is iarbheó.
Quote from: Orior on January 22, 2022, 07:21:13 PM
Quote from: inroundthesquare on January 22, 2022, 11:51:02 AM
Dublin v Armagh on RTE on Saturday evening.
Would assume Tyrone v Monaghan also on TG4 given the throw-in of 3.45
When do tickets go on sale?
Monday morning
Matthew Ruane suspended for the opening two rounds of the NFL after the Red card he received in the All Ireland final.
Mayo team and subs:
1 Rob Hennelly – Roibeard O Hionnaile Breaffy
2. Lee Keegan – Laoi Mac Aogáin – Westport
3. Stephen Coen © – Stiofáin O Cadhain – Hollymount/Carramore
4. Padraig O'Hora – Pádraig O hOra – Ballina Stephenites
5. Paddy Durcan – Pádraig O Durcáin – Castlebar Mitchels
6. Donnacha McHugh – Donnacha Mac Aodh – Castlebar Mitchels
7. Eoghan Mc Laughlin – Eoghan Mac Lochlainn – Westport
8. Conor O' Shea – Conchur O Se – Breaffy
9. Conor Loftus – Conchur O Lachtnáin – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
10. Fionn McDonagh – Fionn Mac Donncha – Westport
11. Aiden Orme – Aodhán Orme – Knockmore
12. Diarmuid O Connor – Diarmuid O Conchuir - Ballintubber
13. Tommy Conroy – Tomás O Conaire – The Neale
14. Jason Doherty – Seasáon O Dochartaigh - Burrishoole
15 Ryan O'Donoghue – Riain O Donnachadh Beal a Mhuirthead
SUBS:
16. Rory Byrne – Ruairi O Broin – Castlebar Mitchels
17. Sam Callinan – Somhairle O Calináin - Ballina Stephenites
18. Brendan Harrison – Breandán O Hearchai – Aghamore
19. Michael Plunkett – Micheal Pluinceid – Ballintubber
20. Ruairi Keane – Ruairi Mac Aodháin – Mayo Gaels
21. Aidan O' Shea – Aodhán O Se – Breaffy
22. Jordan Flynn – Siuirtán Floinn – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
23. Pearse Ruttledge – Piaras O Maoildeirg – Knockmore
24. Bryan Walsh – Brian Breachneach – Ballintubber
25. Paul Towey – Pol Tuathaigh– Charlestown
26. Frank Irwin – Proinseas O hEireamháin Ballina Stephenites
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 27, 2022, 11:20:23 AM
Mayo team and subs:
1 Rob Hennelly – Roibeard O Hionnaile Breaffy
2. Lee Keegan – Laoi Mac Aogáin – Westport
3. Stephen Coen © – Stiofáin O Cadhain – Hollymount/Carramore
4. Padraig O'Hora – Pádraig O hOra – Ballina Stephenites
5. Paddy Durcan – Pádraig O Durcáin – Castlebar Mitchels
6. Donnacha McHugh – Donnacha Mac Aodh – Castlebar Mitchels
7. Eoghan Mc Laughlin – Eoghan Mac Lochlainn – Westport
8. Conor O' Shea – Conchur O Se – Breaffy
9. Conor Loftus – Conchur O Lachtnáin – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
10. Fionn McDonagh – Fionn Mac Donncha – Westport
11. Aiden Orme – Aodhán Orme – Knockmore
12. Diarmuid O Connor – Diarmuid O Conchuir - Ballintubber
13. Tommy Conroy – Tomás O Conaire – The Neale
14. Jason Doherty – Seasáon O Dochartaigh - Burrishoole
15 Ryan O'Donoghue – Riain O Donnachadh Beal a Mhuirthead
SUBS:
16. Rory Byrne – Ruairi O Broin – Castlebar Mitchels
17. Sam Callinan – Somhairle O Calináin - Ballina Stephenites
18. Brendan Harrison – Breandán O Hearchai – Aghamore
19. Michael Plunkett – Micheal Pluinceid – Ballintubber
20. Ruairi Keane – Ruairi Mac Aodháin – Mayo Gaels
21. Aidan O' Shea – Aodhán O Se – Breaffy
22. Jordan Flynn – Siuirtán Floinn – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
23. Pearse Ruttledge – Piaras O Maoildeirg – Knockmore
24. Bryan Walsh – Brian Breachneach – Ballintubber
25. Paul Towey – Pol Tuathaigh– Charlestown
26. Frank Irwin – Proinseas O hEireamháin Ballina Stephenites
nice mix on the Mayo team save for injuries rest and suspension
thought Sam callinan would have got the nod over Mchugh and a bit step up for Orme
interesting to see connor at midfield he looked a bit off county pace last year but one of the best club players in mayo,
Whatever doubts we have though when it come to talent its a case of
IN horan we Trust
what is the admission price for children for the national league matches ?
Quote from: thebackbar1 on January 27, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
what is the admission price for children for the national league matches ?
free? unless you've bought a juvenile season ticket(s).
Quote from: clarshack on January 27, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on January 27, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
what is the admission price for children for the national league matches ?
free? unless you've bought a juvenile season ticket(s).
5 yoyos for Croke Park this Saturday.
Nice to see Jason Doherty back for Mayo after his injury nightmare. Good luck to him.
Quote from: lurganblue on January 27, 2022, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 27, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
Quote from: thebackbar1 on January 27, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
what is the admission price for children for the national league matches ?
free? unless you've bought a juvenile season ticket(s).
5 yoyos for Croke Park this Saturday.
U-16's free into Omagh
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
That's the half time potential
Think there will be 10 /11 points in it as Armagh defence is porous and could concede a few three pointers on Saturday
Will be a good days craic though as I see all trans link specials are sold out.
Some amount of tickets sold to date
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
Last year in the league Galway, Donegal got within 5 points of Dublin and Kerry drew with them. They never clicked into gear for the championship looks like Dublin are at the crossroads under Dessie Farrell.
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
That's the half time potential
Think there will be 10 /11 points in it as Armagh defence is porous and could concede a few three pointers on Saturday
Will be a good days craic though as I see all trans link specials are sold out.
We don't get many visits to Croke these days, might as well!
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
That's the half time potential
Think there will be 10 /11 points in it as Armagh defence is porous and could concede a few three pointers on Saturday
Will be a good days craic though as I see all trans link specials are sold out.
probably finish 4-20 to 3-17 or something mad.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
Last year in the league Galway, Donegal got within 5 points of Dublin and Kerry drew with them. They never clicked into gear for the championship looks like Dublin are at the crossroads under Dessie Farrell.
Losing special players like Mannion and McCaffrey on top of the ones who've retired naturally has definitely left a vacuum.
No sign of Con, MickFitz and Jonny Cooper this year so far, so we may be missing them for Saturday. Everyone else I believe has got a run in either the OB Cup or challenges, so I expect 3 or 4 new/newish faces along with the bulk of what our first team is now.
Going to Croke Park tomorrow in hope but not expecting a great deal. I'm looking forward to the big game under the lights.
The wide open spaces of that pitch wont do anything to help with our leaky defence. I do expect goals. Hopefully we can get some too.
I see the new kerry jersey isn't a hit ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2022, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
That's the half time potential
Think there will be 10 /11 points in it as Armagh defence is porous and could concede a few three pointers on Saturday
Will be a good days craic though as I see all trans link specials are sold out.
probably finish 4-20 to 3-17 or something mad.
More like Dublin 4-20 Armagh 0-15
Quote from: Hound on January 28, 2022, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
Last year in the league Galway, Donegal got within 5 points of Dublin and Kerry drew with them. They never clicked into gear for the championship looks like Dublin are at the crossroads under Dessie Farrell.
Losing special players like Mannion and McCaffrey on top of the ones who've retired naturally has definitely left a vacuum.
No sign of Con, MickFitz and Jonny Cooper this year so far, so we may be missing them for Saturday. Everyone else I believe has got a run in either the OB Cup or challenges, so I expect 3 or 4 new/newish faces along with the bulk of what our first team is now.
Rock and Comerford haven't played yet either for Dublin this year.
Quote from: Gael85 on January 28, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 28, 2022, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
Last year in the league Galway, Donegal got within 5 points of Dublin and Kerry drew with them. They never clicked into gear for the championship looks like Dublin are at the crossroads under Dessie Farrell.
Losing special players like Mannion and McCaffrey on top of the ones who've retired naturally has definitely left a vacuum.
No sign of Con, MickFitz and Jonny Cooper this year so far, so we may be missing them for Saturday. Everyone else I believe has got a run in either the OB Cup or challenges, so I expect 3 or 4 new/newish faces along with the bulk of what our first team is now.
Rock and Comerford haven't played yet either for Dublin this year.
Apparently Mick Fitzsimons,Cooper,Rock,Comerford and Con O'Callaghan played in a recent challenge against Roscommon, the latter picked up an injury in that game.
Those were the days ........
2002 Ciaran Whelan goal v Armagh
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sWC5kFgTscg
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on January 28, 2022, 11:04:14 PM
Those were the days ........
2002 Ciaran Whelan goal v Armagh
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sWC5kFgTscg
I think I enjoyed that game more than any other, first full house in New Croke Park, glorious sunshine and end to end stuff.
The subsequent league game set an attendance record in Croke Park. It seems there will be crowd of similar proportions tomorrow, I hope the Dubs do not adopt their usual practice of booing the opposition when they come on to the field, it isn't necessary.
Quote from: Orior on January 28, 2022, 05:03:00 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2022, 10:23:09 PM
Quote from: naka on January 27, 2022, 07:11:08 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
That's the half time potential
Think there will be 10 /11 points in it as Armagh defence is porous and could concede a few three pointers on Saturday
Will be a good days craic though as I see all trans link specials are sold out.
probably finish 4-20 to 3-17 or something mad.
More like Dublin 4-20 Armagh 0-15
I think it's about the best time to be playing Dublin and have a chance of beating them, a good close game beckons.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 28, 2022, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on January 28, 2022, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 28, 2022, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2022, 08:11:04 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2022, 04:24:44 PM
Armagh to get within 5 points? Its a fairly decent advantage
Last year in the league Galway, Donegal got within 5 points of Dublin and Kerry drew with them. They never clicked into gear for the championship looks like Dublin are at the crossroads under Dessie Farrell.
Losing special players like Mannion and McCaffrey on top of the ones who've retired naturally has definitely left a vacuum.
No sign of Con, MickFitz and Jonny Cooper this year so far, so we may be missing them for Saturday. Everyone else I believe has got a run in either the OB Cup or challenges, so I expect 3 or 4 new/newish faces along with the bulk of what our first team is now.
Rock and Comerford haven't played yet either for Dublin this year.
Apparently Mick Fitzsimons,Cooper,Rock,Comerford and Con O'Callaghan played in a recent challenge against Roscommon, the latter picked up an injury in that game.
I had heard Fitz, Cooper and Con were not involved v Ros and that the others were (albeit third hand, so dunno the absolute truth) . Comerford the only one of those that is named in tonight's starting line up. Although there'll probably be changes to that too.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKRIUMfWUAE2cwL?format=jpg&name=large)
Dublin bench very weak!
Darragh Maloney and Eamonn Fitzmaurice good commentary team. Early yellow for Rian O Neill. Massive crowd 30,000 plus. Brian Howard puts Dublin a head.
Cormac Costello makes it two. Dublin the more impressive. Rory Gruggan scores a free. Two great pieces of defending by Dublin to stop Armagh scores. 18 minutes gone Dublin free by Cormac gives Dublin 2 pt lead.
Armagh very positive with the ball, and pressing hard on Dublin's kickouts. Decent game so far, Dubs 3 Armagh 4
Armagh hit the front 4 to 3 playing nice ball into the forwards. That's Armaghs 3rd in a row.
Good goal for Armagh but dreadful defending by Dublin. Armagh 1-4 to 0-3 ahead.
Rian O Neill with a screamer of a goal!!!
Great finish by Rian. I'm used to Dublin giving up goal chances, a bit rarer when the opposition makes us pay
Fantastic pass for the goal
Grugan & O Neill impressive.
Another brilliant goal. Orangemen playing well.
Second Armagh goal, was he going for a goal or a point though?
Cormac giving the Dubs a point back. Armagh growing in confidence. Their playing smart long fast ball into the forwards Rian O Neil on fire just scored a delightful point. I make it he has scored 1-3 already. Kilkenny nicks one back for the Dubs Armagh just scored goal of the year.
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 29, 2022, 07:59:13 PM
Second Armagh goal, was he going for a goal or a point though?
Think he went for the goal.
Feck Cormac off. Was our most dangerous forward. Decent sub with Deano.
Exciting stuff. Armagh getting rewarded for playing positively.
Armagh playing dam good football this half. Jason Duffy will replay that goal in his own time over and over a gain. Proud as punch with that finish. And why not.
Armagh another point from a free 2_6 0 -5 Rory Gruggan.
Defending like Tyrone ;D
Unreal Armagh
Rian O Neil is the new Stephen O Neill what a player bhoys!! Jesus almighty.
Impressive stuff, have to admit.
Time to split Armagh in two
Armagh a joy to watch, Croke Park seemed to suit them. Dublin look punched drunk, Dessie Farrell looks lost on the sideline.
Rory Gruggan fine point from play. Reminds me of the old Armagh fantastic defending and sublime forward play.
Armagh 2-8 The Dubs 0-5 half time.
Did Duffy definitely mean that lol. Rian O'Neill is a class act. It'd be good to see Armagh become a real force again.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 29, 2022, 08:10:51 PM
Did Duffy definitely mean that lol. Rian O'Neill is a class act. It'd be good to see Armagh become a real force again.
I think he did, was quality
What a bunch of condescending pricks the rte commentators are. You'd think this was shock of the century. Armagh in a different league that half.
Dublin look like a team that has no choice but to use all their squad players of the past decade. And long may it continue.
Armagh very impressive.
Armagh playing great football, serious pace, great ball handling, super movement & great kicking/ foot passing.
Really entertaining quality stuff. Dubs look shook, poor 2 frees from Rock, cant see a way back, could end up with players sent off.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 29, 2022, 08:12:38 PM
Dublin look like a team that has no choice but to use all their squad players of the past decade. And long may it continue.
Such nonsense. Dublin are using the players that are available.
Quote from: Hound on January 29, 2022, 08:15:07 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 29, 2022, 08:12:38 PM
Dublin look like a team that has no choice but to use all their squad players of the past decade. And long may it continue.
Such nonsense. Dublin are using the players that are available.
You have just said the exact same thing as me while describing what i said as nonsense.
I don't think he meant it, he laughed to himself on the way back out. Perhaps you could read that as the cheek of the finish?
I think he clearly meant it. Wasn't his first time going for goal that half and spurned the easy point opportunity. Don't think he kicks it that way unless going for goal
Not sure. I think he maybe did. He's a tidy enough player that boy.
If you watch the replay he "weighted" the ball perfectly give the man credit where credit is due. They should have made an acceptance for that goal and award him 5 points.. 😆
It looked pretty obvious to me he meant it. Actually surprised it's in doubt.
See what Fenton is made of now, some effort at a point there.
First blood Dublin Dean Rock from a soft free. Dubs starting off this half with more purpose. Cameron McCormick takes a pass from Dean. Surprisingly no one on him 2nd one for Dublin. Armagh respond with a free from Rian.
Armagh need to put a halt to Dublins gallop...
I make it 10 wides now for Dublin. Scully tips one over 7 point game...
The mark needs to follow the water break
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM
See what Fenton is made of now, some effort at a point there.
Exactly right.
'A league game in January shows what a real man is made of. Feck those All Ireland semi finals and finals. Any decent player should be able to knock it over from 35 yards, even if they're knocked off balance when striking it.
Some point by Campbell. Very impressive on counter attack.
Quote from: Hound on January 29, 2022, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM
See what Fenton is made of now, some effort at a point there.
Exactly right.
'A league game in January shows what a real man is made of. Feck those All Ireland semi finals and finals. Any decent player should be able to knock it over from 35 yards, even if they're knocked off balance when striking it.
He just did it again, no one near him.
Soupy Campbell with an incredible point. 8 point game still.. Tiernan Kelly makes it 9
Armagh playing really well. The long ball in has resulted in a few very good scores.
Dublin not kicking it in directly at all albeit they probably can't because there are a lot of orange bodies back blocking space.
Obviously this is only the league and they have players to come back but Dublin look a shadow of what they were.
Quote from: Hound on January 29, 2022, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM
See what Fenton is made of now, some effort at a point there.
Exactly right.
'A league game in January shows what a real man is made of. Feck those All Ireland semi finals and finals. Any decent player should be able to knock it over from 35 yards, even if they're knocked off balance when striking it.
Rattled.
Proxy enough goal Niall Scully. 6 point game.
He wasn't off balance that time :D
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 29, 2022, 08:50:31 PM
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Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM
See what Fenton is made of now, some effort at a point there.
Exactly right.
'A league game in January shows what a real man is made of. Feck those All Ireland semi finals and finals. Any decent player should be able to knock it over from 35 yards, even if they're knocked off balance when striking it.
Rattled.
Petulant ;D
Always thought Jim Gavin was a quality manager.
68 minutes Armagh leading by 5.
Time to merge Dublin?
Quote from: Tubberman on January 29, 2022, 08:53:15 PM
He wasn't off balance that time :D
He was never off balance against you lads
Armagh 2-15
Dublin 1-13 sin e.
Rian O Neill man of the match. Well done Armagh great team.
Can Armagh get within 5 points of Dublin ha!
Congrats Armagh. Fully deserved (goes without saying). I had a feeling.
Some lovely scores from Armagh. Nice win, and very promising for the future.
Really impressive display from Armagh, could only admire their style of play and seem to have plenty of lads that are well fit to kick scores. It bodes well for the coming season.
The Dubs have obviously regressed and are back in the pack for sure. Another few results like that and Dessie will start to feel the heat.
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:54:03 PM
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Quote from: Hound on January 29, 2022, 08:42:18 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:29:53 PM
See what Fenton is made of now, some effort at a point there.
Exactly right.
'A league game in January shows what a real man is made of. Feck those All Ireland semi finals and finals. Any decent player should be able to knock it over from 35 yards, even if they're knocked off balance when striking it.
Rattled.
Petulant ;D
:-P
Rian o neill was obviously Rolls Royce material but Jarly Og Burns was my MOTM, he was relentless up his wing. Grugan was class too
Impressive from Armagh but the Dubs would be worth a sneaky £50 for Sam this evening.
For the Dublin goal it looked like a clear square ball. Ross McGarry (22) is clearly standing in the square before he received the ball.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
For the Dublin goal it looked like a clear square ball. Ross McGarry (22) is clearly standing in the square before he received the ball.
For it to be a square ball, he would have to be in the square when the ball was kicked in?
He clearly wasn't.
Apologies, I thought the rule was in before the ball.
and apparently the rule has been changed for 10 years https://hoganstand.com/article/index/166506
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2022, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:37:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
For the Dublin goal it looked like a clear square ball. Ross McGarry (22) is clearly standing in the square before he received the ball.
For it to be a square ball, he would have to be in the square when the ball was kicked in?
He clearly wasn't.
Apologies, I thought the rule was in before the ball.
and apparently the rule has been changed for 10 years https://hoganstand.com/article/index/166506
Yip. I wouldn't worry, you are just one of thousands who challenge referees' decisions when they haven't the faintest notion of the rules.
Yea it was too hard to decide what moment a ball crosses a line on the ground when it's 30m in the air!
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 29, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2022, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:37:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
For the Dublin goal it looked like a clear square ball. Ross McGarry (22) is clearly standing in the square before he received the ball.
For it to be a square ball, he would have to be in the square when the ball was kicked in?
He clearly wasn't.
Apologies, I thought the rule was in before the ball.
and apparently the rule has been changed for 10 years https://hoganstand.com/article/index/166506
Yip. I wouldn't worry, you are just one of thousands who challenge referees' decisions when they haven't the faintest notion of the rules.
Yea it was too hard to decide what moment a ball crosses a line on the ground when it's 30m in the air!
Unless of course the ball came from a free kick.
Well deserved win for Armagh tonight. But I'd venture to say that it will be the last time that Armagh will beat Dublin this year.
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:37:49 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on January 29, 2022, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: dec on January 29, 2022, 10:21:46 PM
For the Dublin goal it looked like a clear square ball. Ross McGarry (22) is clearly standing in the square before he received the ball.
For it to be a square ball, he would have to be in the square when the ball was kicked in?
He clearly wasn't.
Apologies, I thought the rule was in before the ball.
and apparently the rule has been changed for 10 years https://hoganstand.com/article/index/166506
I thought the ref did well, kept calm, observant and didn't fall for the histrionic exaggerations after slight contact was made.
Agreed, HIB.
Except, of course, in the unlikely event that they happen to play one another again.
Am I missing something about all the complaints about geoblocking in relation to the game in Croke Park this evening? Surely nearly everybody has an aerial?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on January 29, 2022, 11:37:05 PM
Well deserved win for Armagh tonight. But I'd venture to say that it will be the last time that Armagh will beat Dublin this year.
Agreed that you will be a different proposition come the summer but
We will take tonight and enjoy
Armagh are building a serious side at the moment
Our bench was stronger than dublins
Next week is where we are looking at
If we beat Tyrone then things will get interesting
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:58:20 PM
Always thought Jim Gavin was a quality manager.
Me too even though I had a deep dislike for him.
Fair play to Armagh, one swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'd be optimistic enough if I was an Armagh man. Rian O'Neill was excellent and Grugan gave some lovely passes in as well. Dublin seem to be back with the rest of the pack. Is it Kerry next week for Dublin?
Well done Armagh. John Small still doing what John Small does.
I hope the Kieran McGeeney thread on res dubs is resurrected tonight. ;)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2022, 06:41:38 AM
Quote from: Rudi on January 29, 2022, 08:58:20 PM
Always thought Jim Gavin was a quality manager.
Me too even though I had a deep dislike for him.
Fair play to Armagh, one swallow doesn't make a summer, but I'd be optimistic enough if I was an Armagh man. Rian O'Neill was excellent and Grugan gave some lovely passes in as well. Dublin seem to be back with the rest of the pack. Is it Kerry next week for Dublin?
Dublin aren't just back with the pack, they're fighting to not get relegated. From watching them yesterday evening they're gonna struggle to pick up points unless they get a few key players back.
I must admit I was thinking why are Armagh getting all this hype on radio/podcasts during the week....sure they are no better than us! I was wrong. Mightly impressed. Pace n power throughout. Super performance. Great to see another Ulster side on the rise
I, like most Armagh supporters, feared the worst when I seen the starting lineup. All the pre match talk was about keeping the scoreline respectable so full credit to the Armagh side which contained a lot of unheralded rookies and lads from junior clubs. Once they weathered the Dublin storm in the first 15 minutes, got ahead and realised that this Dublin team are no longer the invincibles they once were, they played some fine football at times. But they've actually played better and lost games in the past so that win will do wonders for their confidence. Rian O'Neill was the match winner again but Burns, Grugan, Mackin and Nugent all made good contributions.
Credit to McGeeney as well, Armagh actually looked like a better coached team than Dublin last night and it's not often you can say that. Dublin will still be around the latter stages of the championship but their time hoovering up AI titles is finished.
At times like this you would almost miss Fearon.
Quote from: seafoid on January 30, 2022, 08:31:57 AM
At times like this you would almost miss Fearon.
I was half expecting him to come back last night. Must have forgot his password!
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Quote from: seafoid on January 30, 2022, 08:31:57 AM
At times like this you would almost miss Fearon.
I was half expecting him to come back last night. Must have forgot his password!
I met him at the match - complaining about all the drunks on the train on the way down ;)
Quote from: clarshack on January 29, 2022, 11:56:32 PM
Am I missing something about all the complaints about geoblocking in relation to the game in Croke Park this evening? Surely nearly everybody has an aerial?
No not at all. Why have an aerial when you can get it through sky? Unless you can't >:( (I can do it through RTÉ player so it's fine for me but not older family).
Some man te Tg4, tell the centre field camera man to wipe the damn camera, can see nothing?!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 01:46:21 PM
Some man te Tg4, tell the centre field camera man to wipe the damn camera, can see nothing?!!!
Sure west of Ireland people are used to that view of games.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 01:46:21 PM
Some man te Tg4, tell the centre field camera man to wipe the damn camera, can see nothing?!!!
It's terrible alright.
Surely that lad on the camera sees the same pic we do? If so, how, hard is it to wipe it. Can see nothing half the time
That's actually unwatchable tbh, never mind how bad the football is
Getting worse instead of better. Can't see a thing!
Can someone ring in or tweet them to wipe the fcuken thing lol. So amateurish.
There's a strong breeze in favour of Donegal I hope because we're terrible going forward.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 30, 2022, 02:12:58 PM
There's a strong breeze in favour of Donegal I hope because we're terrible going forward.
Mayo have the wind
That's about all we have unfortunately
Surely there are cameras at games where they have a cover on it, it's like watching it through a kaleidoscope
Mayo can't be that bad again surely?
Sorry I'd already asked? Why is this game in Sligo??
Mchale park under construction, so a neutral venue, daft
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2022, 02:39:13 PM
Mchale park under construction, so a neutral venue, daft
Christ I thought a fortune was spent on it already
Have gave up, I switched over to the tennis highlights
Seen bbc sport at the Derry game last night, they had 2 lads parked in the van watching all 10 screens, surely set up for some lad checking the cameras and their views applies here too.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 30, 2022, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2022, 02:39:13 PM
Mchale park under construction, so a neutral venue, daft
Christ I thought a fortune was spent on it already
It has a mega stand, but this work on the pitch, hence the closure. Sligo would have been Mayo's choice, it suits DOnegal people also.
Some man must told them to clean the screens, only took 50mins plus halftime.
WTF is it with Donegal and penalties? >:(
Game should be done and dusted at this point.
Someone has got the message to camera man
What are Donegal at?
Extra man and they're giving the ball away again and again as Mayo press.
Scored but ref should moved that ball 13m forward for the goalkeeper not releasing the ball. He not even know the rules.
Some kick by Rob Hennelly to draw it.
Rob Hennelly best Mayo man there, several saves and scores the equaliser.
Scandalously poor refereeing today.
Well that was as brainless a ten minutes of football as I have ever seen from any team, ever.
f**king sickening, but Donegal can have no complaints.
Just can't handle the Mayo pressure. Whole lot of them buckled.
And for a player like Ryan McHugh to play that last ball back to Patton with three Mayo men waiting to pounce?
We're going nowhere...
Donegal lucky that Mayo only bothered to turn up from the 45thmin.
64mins to 74 mins... 10 mins of choke tackling, yellow cards being spread among players, players holding their heads feigning injury and about 1 minute of football played. Why didn't Donegal just see the game out playing football? Couple of superb points to draw the game
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 03:19:16 PM
Scored but ref should moved that ball 13m forward for the goalkeeper not releasing the ball. He not even know the rules.
He also should have moved the ball forward for the earlier infringement on the half way line. That ref was not only slack on the rules but did his level best at every opportunity to dampen the game which was beginning to catch fire in the last 15 minutes.
If you'd have offered me a draw with 60 minutes gone, I'd have bitten your hand off. Superb play by Mayo the last 10 or 15 minutes or so. Hennelly would be motm I'd say with 2 great saves in the first half and penalty save in the second, then to kick the equaliser under that pressure at the end.
Pity Mayo stood off Donegal for so long though.
Great game Robbie and welcome back Jason Doc and Brendan Harrison.
Hard to assess that game as we couldn't see it.
McQuillan is taking the piss
Quote from: red hander on January 30, 2022, 04:49:43 PM
McQuillan is taking the piss
Bar that last one which made no sense he's been alright
That free against McKernan was one of the worst I've ever seen
Quote from: Ty4Sam on January 30, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
That free against McKernan was one of the worst I've ever seen
Like what was it for? :D
While it's great to have a keeper that can score frees from distance but you'd have to question your outfield players nowadays when the keeper is taking the close in ones.
Do free takers not practice frees anymore?
McKernan free was a clear joke. And now he gives Monaghan a free for charging. And moves it up.
Tired looking bodies on both sides there now.
Legs must be in bits.
Scandalous to disallow that point for Tyrone.
Unreal decision.
Abysmal refereeing.
Quote from: clarshack on January 30, 2022, 05:21:54 PM
Scandalous to disallow that point for Tyrone.
You can't just run in and take the keeper out under a high ball!!
Just a series of bad decisions. Unfortunately unsurprisingly.
You can't touch the keeper in the square?
Tyrone lucky to get a draw out of that but battled hard at the end it was hard going against that breeze.
Quote from: screenexile on January 30, 2022, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 30, 2022, 05:21:54 PM
Scandalous to disallow that point for Tyrone.
You can't just run in and take the keeper out under a high ball!!
Was the ball not already just over the bar before Beggan was touched?
Joe should apologise to monghan for not allowing them even more chances to nick the game in the end. He's is awful ref
The mcKernan decision was a 2 point turnaround. Shocking decision that gave Monaghan the draw.
He jumped into the keeper with his knee and knew exactly what he was doing...clear free kick
Quote from: clarshack on January 30, 2022, 05:25:54 PM
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Quote from: clarshack on January 30, 2022, 05:21:54 PM
Scandalous to disallow that point for Tyrone.
You can't just run in and take the keeper out under a high ball!!
Was the ball not already just over the bar before Beggan was touched?
Yeah that was my take. The ball slipped over the bar before he was challenged
Three draws in Div 1 ... Armagh top after first game 😊
Quote from: illdecide on January 30, 2022, 05:26:45 PM
He jumped into the keeper with his knee and knew exactly what he was doing...clear free kick
I'm not sure why the point wasn't allowed but he should have got a red for the challenge. It was dangerous.
Monaghan left that behind them. I lost count of the wides they had 2nd half. That's easy for me to say from the comfort of my couch I suppose - the conditions were terrible. It looked like it got really bad in the last 10 minutes
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2022, 05:23:42 PM
You can't touch the keeper in the square?
Ball over the bar before contact. Tbf that's not the decision that would annoy me.
Anyway, good to get the league started in albeit abysmal conditions. Some decent football in parts but the number of unforced errors was high as expected by both sides.
Banty says McQuillan gave an exhibition. That's all you need to know.
Unless you were side on with that one it would be very hard to call from the couch, but you can't tackle keeper in the small square, he'd no reason to do it either.
Tyronies as usual moaning like hell, what an immature lot ::)
Even allowing for the weather and mucky pitch that was a very poor performance from Monaghan and yet should have turned that last free into the winning point.
Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Quote from: full moon on January 30, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Very noticeable when McManus came on. They were around him like a pack of dogs
Quote from: Main Street on January 30, 2022, 05:37:18 PM
Tyronies as usual moaning like hell, what an immature lot ::)
Even allowing for the weather and mucky pitch that was a very poor performance from Monaghan and yet should have turned that last free into the winning point.
😂😂😂 Insight commentary as usual. What a muppet.
Quote from: clarshack on January 30, 2022, 05:33:02 PM
Banty says McQuillan gave an exhibition. That's all you need to know.
Exactly. When a manage gives over the top praise of the ref you know well they have baled them out of a difficult spot lol
Quote from: straightred on January 30, 2022, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 30, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Very noticeable when McManus came on. They were around him like a pack of dogs
Yeah they gave him a tight welcome. It was kind of funny to be fair, but he took a lot of wee digs in the process!
Was clear in the McKenna Cup that Tyrone are a bit behind other teams in terms of preparation. Today was a real step up and conditions took a turn for the worst second half too, so I'd he happy enough with a draw. Monaghan can certainly point to some bad misses, but Rafferty should have buried that goal chance in the second half and Donaghy too should have hit that convincingly over the bar, storm or not.
But we'll take a point and move on. Anyone know what situation is with Conor McKenna?
Quote from: full moon on January 30, 2022, 05:48:08 PM
Quote from: straightred on January 30, 2022, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 30, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Very noticeable when McManus came on. They were around him like a pack of dogs
Yeah they gave him a tight welcome. It was kind of funny to be fair, but he took a lot of wee digs in the process!
They were more like a group of brainless angry Chimps after he scored that elegantly struck equaliser.
To be honest, at first I thought we were lucky to get away with that free given for the disallowed point - but after looking again, the Tyrone lad came charging in on top of Beggan in the square, that's a free at the end of the day. No need to do it either, I'd say it would have crept over if he didn't run in anyway.
Strange game in awful conditions, could have swung either way in such a tight game so I'd have took the draw going into the last minutes, but it does feel like we left it behind us given the amount of chances we made a balls of, poor performance all round tbh. We probably should have even been ahead of half time tbh with a couple of goals chances and another couple shots dropped short, even with the conditions we should have had more on the scoreboard.
With Armagh winning last night and the 2 draws today, it was really important to get something out of the game, so it's a start anyway. Hopefully won't be as dour and dirty a game as that again this year.
Kilpatrick really fancies himself as a hard man doesn't he. Laughable! Spoiler at best.
Quote from: straightred on January 30, 2022, 05:40:23 PM
Quote from: full moon on January 30, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Very noticeable when McManus came on. They were around him like a pack of dogs
McManus was as guilty as anyone else. Both teams were at it, as are all teams.
I would, personally, be most concerned by Richie Donnelly being shouldered in the back as he was in the air for a catch. Very dangerous and the Monaghan player only had eyes on the man. Very lucky there wasn't a serious injury.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 30, 2022, 05:50:41 PM
Was clear in the McKenna Cup that Tyrone are a bit behind other teams in terms of preparation. Today was a real step up and conditions took a turn for the worst second half too, so I'd he happy enough with a draw. Monaghan can certainly point to some bad misses, but Rafferty should have buried that goal chance in the second half and Donaghy too should have hit that convincingly over the bar, storm or not.
But we'll take a point and move on. Anyone know what situation is with Conor McKenna?
The word last year was that he was a very poor trainer. Done the bare minmium and that was very evident in his physique compared to his Aussie rules days. Hopefully it's not the case this year
The only way to stop that carry on is book them straight away, and if you book 6/7 players it'll cut it out, if not be prepared to have it happen all through the game
Is the offence not to jump at an opponent rather than simply making contact. i.e. does the foul not occur when the jump is started when the ball was in play rather than when contact was made with Beggan
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 30, 2022, 05:58:05 PM
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Quote from: full moon on January 30, 2022, 05:37:58 PM
Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Very noticeable when McManus came on. They were around him like a pack of dogs
McManus was as guilty as anyone else. Both teams were at it, as are all teams.
I would, personally, be most concerned by Richie Donnelly being shouldered in the back as he was in the air for a catch. Very dangerous and the Monaghan player only had eyes on the man. Very lucky there wasn't a serious injury.
He's no shrinking violet as they say but he was targeted - no doubt about that. I don't want to be giving out too much about the ref as it must have been tough for him too but the decision that stands out for me was the free he gave against Monaghan for a perfect shoulder along the far sideline as you see it on telly. Exactly what you coach a young lad to do.
Anyway.... Dublin bottom of the league. When did that last happen ?
Quote from: redzone on January 30, 2022, 06:00:59 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 30, 2022, 05:50:41 PM
Was clear in the McKenna Cup that Tyrone are a bit behind other teams in terms of preparation. Today was a real step up and conditions took a turn for the worst second half too, so I'd he happy enough with a draw. Monaghan can certainly point to some bad misses, but Rafferty should have buried that goal chance in the second half and Donaghy too should have hit that convincingly over the bar, storm or not.
But we'll take a point and move on. Anyone know what situation is with Conor McKenna?
The word last year was that he was a very poor trainer. Done the bare minmium and that was very evident in his physique compared to his Aussie rules days. Hopefully it's not the case this year
Funnny I thought last year he didnt look as well conditioned as the other players which was strange given his professional background.
He strikes me as someone who won't be round for very long. Cant see him staying with tyrone over the next 4 or 5 years. Not sure why but I just get that feeling about him
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 30, 2022, 06:13:36 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 30, 2022, 06:00:59 PM
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on January 30, 2022, 05:50:41 PM
Was clear in the McKenna Cup that Tyrone are a bit behind other teams in terms of preparation. Today was a real step up and conditions took a turn for the worst second half too, so I'd he happy enough with a draw. Monaghan can certainly point to some bad misses, but Rafferty should have buried that goal chance in the second half and Donaghy too should have hit that convincingly over the bar, storm or not.
But we'll take a point and move on. Anyone know what situation is with Conor McKenna?
The word last year was that he was a very poor trainer. Done the bare minmium and that was very evident in his physique compared to his Aussie rules days. Hopefully it's not the case this year
Funnny I thought last year he didnt look as well conditioned as the other players which was strange given his professional background.
He strikes me as someone who won't be round for very long. Cant see him staying with tyrone over the next 4 or 5 years. Not sure why but I just get that feeling about him
He was conditioned for a different sport. He gave an interesting interview with the FootballPod where he talks about how the AFL is more about short spurts of exertion with a decent amount of breaks whereas Gaelic requires a lot more stamina.
I think if a defender good enough, you don't have to resort to sledging, grabbing, digs in the bck trying to get McManus yellow carded. Shows up why they so popular all over the country, and I ain't no lover of Monaghan.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 30, 2022, 05:54:26 PM
Kilpatrick really fancies himself as a hard man doesn't he. Laughable! Spoiler at best.
Nah, don't agree with this.
I think he is a really good footballer if he doesn't have lads hanging off him for 70 mins
Half of footballers now seem to fancy themselves as hard men, mainly cause they know they grab a man, talk shit, man hits him at all, down like a bag of shit. The old Meath team had about 3/4 hard men who hammer the f**k out of all these wanna bes these days. All this gym work and watching too many ufc fights actually makes these guys think they can box.
Quote from: straightred on January 30, 2022, 05:40:23 PM
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Was a foul on Beggan for the point, ball may have been just over looking on replay but then why make that challenge in the first place.
Seemed like a lot of off the ball antics and sledging from Tyrone, but nothing unusual there.
Very noticeable when McManus came on. They were around him like a pack of dogs
I think McManus was giving as good as he got. There was feck all in that and you'll see it up and down the country. Some people really want to sanitise the game if they had issues with that from either team.
Both teams were at it, that old line, bollacks, Hampsey, Harte and McKieran all at him. Take the rose tinted glasses off.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 06:39:21 PM
I think if a defender good enough, you don't have to resort to sledging, grabbing, digs in the bck trying to get McManus yellow carded. Shows up why they so popular all over the country, and I ain't no lover of Monaghan.
I tend to agree with this, if you are good enough you shouldn't be getting involved in incidents. However every single top team does this regularly. Look at how much attention Peter harte and Sean cavanagh have received over the years.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 06:48:01 PM
Both teams were at it, that old line, bollacks, Hampsey, Harte and McKieran all at him. Take the rose tinted glasses off.
Lol Good to have the Derry lads riled again. You'll get an unbiased opinion from them alright. 😂
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 30, 2022, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 06:39:21 PM
I think if a defender good enough, you don't have to resort to sledging, grabbing, digs in the bck trying to get McManus yellow carded. Shows up why they so popular all over the country, and I ain't no lover of Monaghan.
I tend to agree with this, if you are good enough you shouldn't be getting involved in incidents. However every single top team does this regularly. Look at how much attention Peter harte and Sean cavanagh have received over the years.
And that attention should be curtailed, simple yellow cards move on, to get sent off for that would make you think about getting to 'know' a player
I think a draw was a fair enough result given the conditions. Monaghan missed a lot.
Winning point ruled out for a foul after it went over is a bit annoying but if it was the other way round I'd be happy. Can't understand the mckernan free out when it should have been a free in. What was the explanation on commentary/analysis?
I think tyrone should expect to be the team everybody wants to beat this year. And not expect any help from the ref.
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Quote from: mup on January 30, 2022, 07:31:19 AM
Well done Armagh. John Small still doing what John Small does.
I hope the Kieran McGeeney thread on res dubs is resurrected tonight. ;)
Typical kildare supporter. A lot booing from their fans in Newbridge on kerry frees today. Kerry should be beating a hurling county. Kildare are a very athletic and well drilled team. Referee couldn't wait to give Kildare frees today. Kerry just didn't show today but will be gunning for the dubs next week. Dubs could be relegated now.
Kerry got a better hurling team than kildare lol
Quote from: Orior on January 30, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Joking aside Dublin could be in a spot of difficulty. Only have 3 home games (2left) and one of those is Mayo so they don't even have one less away game. Armagh on the other hand have 4 home games, 2 away (1 left) and one neutral venue.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 30, 2022, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 06:39:21 PM
I think if a defender good enough, you don't have to resort to sledging, grabbing, digs in the bck trying to get McManus yellow carded. Shows up why they so popular all over the country, and I ain't no lover of Monaghan.
I tend to agree with this, if you are good enough you shouldn't be getting involved in incidents. However every single top team does this regularly. Look at how much attention Peter harte and Sean cavanagh have received over the years.
Mckernan is awful for it. He waved an imaginary card at a ref last year and he was at it all day. (Not from Monaghan or derry ;D)
Why are Mayo playing their home games away from Castlebar?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 30, 2022, 09:15:54 PM
Why are Mayo playing their home games away from Castlebar?
MacHale Park has got a new playing surface and won't be ready for matches for a few months. Other grounds in Mayo not deemed big enough. Two remaining home games that will be played in Pairc sean mac diarmada and Dr Hyde Park
Quote from: David McKeown on January 30, 2022, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 30, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Joking aside Dublin could be in a spot of difficulty. Only have 3 home games (2left) and one of those is Mayo so they don't even have one less away game. Armagh on the other hand have 4 home games, 2 away (1 left) and one neutral venue.
An away win against a top team pretty much means Armagh are safe.
Apart from normal Dublin warming up issues this early in the league a big missing piece is Cluxton, his presence, game management and goalkeeping prowess is a big loss. I think he would have made a much better attempt to block the first goal with his body and for the 2nd he'd be the least likely goalkeeper to be lobbed.
Quote from: Main Street on January 30, 2022, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 30, 2022, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 30, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Joking aside Dublin could be in a spot of difficulty. Only have 3 home games (2left) and one of those is Mayo so they don't even have one less away game. Armagh on the other hand have 4 home games, 2 away (1 left) and one neutral venue.
An away win against a top team pretty much means Armagh are safe.
Apart from normal Dublin warming up issues this early in the league a big missing piece is Cluxton, his presence, game management and goalkeeping prowess is a big loss. I think he would have made a much better attempt to block the first goal with his body and for the 2nd he'd be the least likely goalkeeper to be lobbed.
Armagh are far from safe. But the weekends result gives them a good chance!
Quote from: Main Street on January 30, 2022, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 30, 2022, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 30, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Joking aside Dublin could be in a spot of difficulty. Only have 3 home games (2left) and one of those is Mayo so they don't even have one less away game. Armagh on the other hand have 4 home games, 2 away (1 left) and one neutral venue.
An away win against a top team pretty much means Armagh are safe.
Apart from normal Dublin warming up issues this early in the league a big missing piece is Cluxton, his presence, game management and goalkeeping prowess is a big loss. I think he would have made a much better attempt to block the first goal with his body and for the 2nd he'd be the least likely goalkeeper to be lobbed.
Great start but far from safe after one game. As for that first goal? Cluxton, Comerford Van Der Sar and De Gea could have been in nets and I'd back Rian to score it.
Watched the Armagh game again on YouTube last night
Jeez Dublin no matter how poor they were kicked themselves out of the game
I think they had close to 15 wides.
Quote from: naka on January 31, 2022, 07:58:31 AM
Watched the Armagh game again on YouTube last night
Jeez Dublin no matter how poor they were kicked themselves out of the game
I think they had close to 15 wides.
A lot of which was due to being forced into poor shot selections by the Armagh defence.
Great chance for this improving Armagh side to stay up .
Great results from kildare too now to give them a chance .
Dublin and Monaghan looking at their fixtures will need to grind results out to stay in the mix
Happy enough with the point given we arent long back from holidays and are a few weeks behind.
Kerry wont be too disappointed - Kildare will give a lot of teams trouble at home especially on a dirty wet day
Donegal will be sick this morning - game should have been over.
Hyperbole about Armagh - a Dubs team who played terrible got within 5 pts after kicking 15 wides.
Trouble for Armagh is that the only way is down, that level of intensity can't (nor should be) maintained at this time of year. I'd love to see that level of performance being maintained but that's highly unlikely as well. Tyrone game will be intense but not so silky in the skills department.
I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Quote from: Taylor on January 31, 2022, 08:38:58 AM
Hyperbole about Armagh - a Dubs team who played terrible got within 5 pts after kicking 15 wides.
Armagh also had four goal chances that ended up with 0-1.
No hyperbole in Armagh anyway. Survival still aim.
Quote from: illdecide on January 31, 2022, 10:38:40 AM
I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
Quote from: illdecide on January 31, 2022, 10:38:40 AM
I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Armagh can play a lot better then they did on Saturday. But because it is Dublin people have gone overboard when the reality is that this Dublin team are a shadow of their former selves. The aura has gone.
Armagh were probably without 5 or 6 starters who will improve the team so I think that there is much more to come from this Armagh side. Tyrone will be a different prospect this week but that result should give the team an added layer of belief that they belong at this level.
This Armagh team have been snatching draws/defeats from the jaws of victory over an extended period and the biggest takeaway from Saturday evening's game is the fact that they got over the line. We have been playing good football for a couple of years now and drawing plaudits for it but winning is a habit this team haven't formed yet. Hopefully Saturday evening is a turning point in that respect.
Armagh done this too without 3 further top class forwards in Oisin ONeill, Murnin & Turbitt.
The thing I take most from it is the strength of the squad,
Compare the two teams before against Monaghan last year and Dublin at the weekend,
Versus Monaghan
Shea Magill; James Morgan, Aaron McKay, Ryan Kennedy; Ciaron O'Hanlon, Greg McCabe, Connaire Mackin; Niall Grimley, Oisin O'Neill; Jemar Hall, Rian O'Neill, Jarly Óg Burns; Rory Grugan, Andrew Murnin, Stefan Campbell. Subs: Aidan Forker, Conor Turbitt, Conor O'Neill, Tiernan Kelly, Ross McQuillan
Versus Dublin
B Hughes; P Burns, A Forker, A McKay; C Mackin, N Rowland, J Og Burns; C Mackin, B Crealey; J Hall, R Grugan, T Kelly; J Duffy, R O'Neill, A Nugent. Subs: N Grimley, S Campbell, G McCabe, R McQuillan, M Shields
8 players that featured against Monaghan last year didn't appear on Saturday night. In fairness a few of the team on Saturday would have played v Monaghan last year were it not for Covid etc.
Very impressive how Ciaran Mackin, Jason Duffy and Rowland performed against Dublin. Particularly Ciaran Mackin. When you consider Conor Turbitt, Oisin O'Neill have to come into the team and I think we haven't seen the best of Ross McQuillan,
For all the talk that there has been about this win, Dublin kicked themselves out of it and would have won had they scored their frees and some of the simple wides they kicked. Some of the ones they missed, they would normally score. The other side of it was that Armagh missed next to nothing and they definitely got the bounce of the ball.
However, they were due a bit of luck and there was no doubting that at some stage they would cut loose and take a scalp. Again, they were fortunate that it all came together v Dublin.
If this goes to their heads, then Tyrone could win handy in the Athletic Grounds. Somehow though, I don't think they will and we will really see next weekend, if the lads can put two performances back to back.
I always felt that last year's league suited Armagh. It was like an introduction to Division 1 and this year they can make a real go of it. However, I'll not forget the fact that they beat Kerry in Tralee about 10 years ago in the second round, after drawing with Cork, and finished up being relegated.
Tough battle yesterday for Tyrone but pleased with the point. Was delighted for Armagh on Saturday night what a performance.. The only consolation that Tyrone have got them so soon is that, there is no shame in getting a hiding from the best team in Ireland at the moment...
Quote from: APM on January 31, 2022, 01:22:53 PM
The thing I take most from it is the strength of the squad,
Compare the two teams before against Monaghan last year and Dublin at the weekend,
Versus Monaghan
Shea Magill; James Morgan, Aaron McKay, Ryan Kennedy; Ciaron O'Hanlon, Greg McCabe, Connaire Mackin; Niall Grimley, Oisin O'Neill; Jemar Hall, Rian O'Neill, Jarly Óg Burns; Rory Grugan, Andrew Murnin, Stefan Campbell. Subs: Aidan Forker, Conor Turbitt, Conor O'Neill, Tiernan Kelly, Ross McQuillan
Versus Dublin
B Hughes; P Burns, A Forker, A McKay; C Mackin, N Rowland, J Og Burns; C Mackin, B Crealey; J Hall, R Grugan, T Kelly; J Duffy, R O'Neill, A Nugent. Subs: N Grimley, S Campbell, G McCabe, R McQuillan, M Shields
8 players that featured against Monaghan last year didn't appear on Saturday night. In fairness a few of the team on Saturday would have played v Monaghan last year were it not for Covid etc.
Very impressive how Ciaran Mackin, Jason Duffy and Rowland performed against Dublin. Particularly Ciaran Mackin. When you consider Conor Turbitt, Oisin O'Neill have to come into the team and I think we haven't seen the best of Ross McQuillan,
For all the talk that there has been about this win, Dublin kicked themselves out of it and would have won had they scored their frees and some of the simple wides they kicked. Some of the ones they missed, they would normally score. The other side of it was that Armagh missed next to nothing and they definitely got the bounce of the ball.
However, they were due a bit of luck and there was no doubting that at some stage they would cut loose and take a scalp. Again, they were fortunate that it all came together v Dublin.
If this goes to their heads, then Tyrone could win handy in the Athletic Grounds. Somehow though, I don't think they will and we will really see next weekend, if the lads can put two performances back to back.
I always felt that last year's league suited Armagh. It was like an introduction to Division 1 and this year they can make a real go of it. However, I'll not forget the fact that they beat Kerry in Tralee about 10 years ago in the second round, after drawing with Cork, and finished up being relegated.
Agreed. However, with the Dublin point, how many teams turn up to Croke Park and play against them off their game? In a way, the opposition makes you pay for your mistakes and it might be that Dublin were kicking themselves but you could make an argument that Armagh frustrated them and nothing easy was given to them. Games are complex and whilst last weekends game was pretty good from an Armagh perspective there are still doubts on defence and they will only be put to bed when we see consistency.
I wonder how many teams from now will be trying to replicate Armagh's goal kicks. A creative bit of thinking from the management and something you hope to see evolve over the season.
Dublin might well have been off their game but Armagh have been threatening a performance like that for a while and the big question is can they back these defensive performances up week after week?
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
Yes well entitled to enjoy beating Dublin pulling up in Croke Park. What would the hype be like with the media if Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone beat Dublin in a similar manner?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 31, 2022, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
Yes well entitled to enjoy beating Dublin pulling up in Croke Park. What would the hype be like with the media if Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone beat Dublin in a similar manner?
Contenders for Sam or contenders for winning the league I'd assume, if Armagh improved as the league progresses and grow in confidence then there is no reason as to why they won't contend. The All Ireland is usually won by div 1 teams, so there are only 7 teams to beat ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2022, 07:42:54 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 30, 2022, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 30, 2022, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 30, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Joking aside Dublin could be in a spot of difficulty. Only have 3 home games (2left) and one of those is Mayo so they don't even have one less away game. Armagh on the other hand have 4 home games, 2 away (1 left) and one neutral venue.
An away win against a top team pretty much means Armagh are safe.
Apart from normal Dublin warming up issues this early in the league a big missing piece is Cluxton, his presence, game management and goalkeeping prowess is a big loss. I think he would have made a much better attempt to block the first goal with his body and for the 2nd he'd be the least likely goalkeeper to be lobbed.
Great start but far from safe after one game. As for that first goal? Cluxton, Comerford Van Der Sar and De Gea could have been in nets and I'd back Rian to score it.
I wrote that Cluxton would've made a better attempt to block the shot, not that he would've saved it. In one-on-ones some goalies grow like the Hulk, others manage to make themselves look smaller.
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Nobody here getting carried away. The extent of exultation is satisfaction at Armagh playing decently for a whole game and getting over the line and the hope that we may avoid relegation as a consequence.
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2022, 02:38:44 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 31, 2022, 07:42:54 AM
Quote from: Main Street on January 30, 2022, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 30, 2022, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 30, 2022, 07:26:38 PM
Who would have known that Saturday's match was a relegation battle.
Joking aside Dublin could be in a spot of difficulty. Only have 3 home games (2left) and one of those is Mayo so they don't even have one less away game. Armagh on the other hand have 4 home games, 2 away (1 left) and one neutral venue.
An away win against a top team pretty much means Armagh are safe.
Apart from normal Dublin warming up issues this early in the league a big missing piece is Cluxton, his presence, game management and goalkeeping prowess is a big loss. I think he would have made a much better attempt to block the first goal with his body and for the 2nd he'd be the least likely goalkeeper to be lobbed.
Great start but far from safe after one game. As for that first goal? Cluxton, Comerford Van Der Sar and De Gea could have been in nets and I'd back Rian to score it.
I wrote that Cluxton would've made a better attempt to block the shot, not that he would've saved it. In one-on-ones some goalies grow like the Hulk, others manage to make themselves look smaller.
I remember in a club hurling game, was playing well enough, couple of scores from play. Midway through the second half I found myself in on goal with only the keeper to bate, my problem was two fold, too much time to think and when I seen the county keeper, who was no bigger than me come out at me, I either miss hit the thing or panicked, either way it was gathered up handy enough by him.
Some keepers by reputation will add pressure regardless of how good you are and will make you think, Cluxton probably had that in his locker over the years which helped his natural ability
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2022, 02:50:29 PM
Some keepers by reputation will add pressure regardless of how good you are and will make you think, Cluxton probably had that in his locker over the years which helped his natural ability
There are probably instances of teams over the years taking a point against Dublin because the reputation of the goalie put them off going for a more or less certain goal.
TG4 presenter Micheál Ó Domhnaill has fired back at criticism of the channel's coverage of Sunday's Allianz Football League games between Mayo and Donegal, and Tyrone and Monaghan
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"I just want to thank the great crew with Nemeton TV and TVM Outside Broadcast Facilities for their work in horrendous weather today. For both Mayo v Donegal and Tyrone v Monaghan matches the crew was put to the pin of their collars to broadcast pictures and sound. For the uninformed Twitter bashers I'd like to point out a few things.
"There is no camera system in the world that will self clean the lens when the rain is driving directly into it.
"The camera operator has to wait until another camera is cut to air before wiping the lens. If the rain continues, as it did almost without a break today, the lens will only be clear momentarily before the rain covers [the] lens again.
"The cameras are as protected from the rain as possible - thanks to those who put links to camera covers (as if these weren't in place already)! All of the camera, bar the lens, is protected, but some people seem to think that the lens should also be protected. I'd love to hear how.
"Omagh and Sligo are exposed pitches. There is no way of broadcasting from within the stands (pylons, restrictions on the public, health and safety, etc.). Therefore, unlike Semple Stadium, Croke Park and some other locations, there is no covered stand to protect the camera positions in either Markievicz Park or Healy Park. Even if a camera gantry with a cover had been built for today to cover the camera positions, this wouldn't have made a jot of difference as the rain blew directly into the camera positions.
"No other broadcaster would have been able to do [a] better job in the conditions. As part of the GAA Beo team we did everything we could to provide entertainment - as we do every Sunday
"And even as we're drying off the equipment - not to mention ourselves - we're looking forward already to getting out next weekend for the next round of matches.
"Gach rath, go raibh maith agaibh as é seo a léamh."
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Bertie, Bono, Bob Geldof, Brendan O'Carroll, Dustin the turkey etc etc your boys took a hell of a beating. Those of us over 21 and with a football memory won't be getting carried away. I'd rather be beating any Dublin side well than getting tanked by them though. The two pleasing things for me was how Armagh played as a team and the subs bench. We had 4 or 5 very good players to come on, who could make a difference to the game. Tyrone will obviously be a very different game and a team that is more defensively minded than Dublin. Would imagine we won't get the same space up front and will be interesting to see how we cope with that.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 31, 2022, 02:01:46 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 31, 2022, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
Yes well entitled to enjoy beating Dublin pulling up in Croke Park. What would the hype be like with the media if Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone beat Dublin in a similar manner?
Contenders for Sam or contenders for winning the league I'd assume, if Armagh improved as the league progresses and grow in confidence then there is no reason as to why they won't contend. The All Ireland is usually won by div 1 teams, so there are only 7 teams to beat ;)
I'd take getting to the ulster final and hopefully winning that. Long way before that tho
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Who's getting carried away. Not Armagh fans. We know that as sure flies follow shit there will be a big comedown with this Armagh team following then getting our hopes up. I'd love to be wrong though but past experiences tell me I won't be
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 31, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Who's getting carried away. Not Armagh fans. We know that as sure flies follow shit there will be a big comedown with this Armagh team following then getting our hopes up. I'd love to be wrong though but past experiences tell me I won't be
How many from Kilmacud would walk straight onto the Dublin team?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 31, 2022, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Main Street on January 31, 2022, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on January 31, 2022, 11:33:12 AM
Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Who's getting carried away. Not Armagh fans. We know that as sure flies follow shit there will be a big comedown with this Armagh team following then getting our hopes up. I'd love to be wrong though but past experiences tell me I won't be
Jesus, you Armagh boys are touchy, match day emotions not previously experienced since two decades have brought ye all to the raw edges ;D
Breathe.
I was trying to explain to Tubberman in a few words that the Armagh fans were certainly enjoying the result, but not getting carried away. "Not getting carried away" by the result was interpreted by Tman as ye lot not enjoying the result.
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TG4 presenter Micheál Ó Domhnaill has fired back at criticism of the channel's coverage of Sunday's Allianz Football League games between Mayo and Donegal, and Tyrone and Monaghan
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"I just want to thank the great crew with Nemeton TV and TVM Outside Broadcast Facilities for their work in horrendous weather today. For both Mayo v Donegal and Tyrone v Monaghan matches the crew was put to the pin of their collars to broadcast pictures and sound. For the uninformed Twitter bashers I'd like to point out a few things.
"There is no camera system in the world that will self clean the lens when the rain is driving directly into it.
"The camera operator has to wait until another camera is cut to air before wiping the lens. If the rain continues, as it did almost without a break today, the lens will only be clear momentarily before the rain covers [the] lens again.
"The cameras are as protected from the rain as possible - thanks to those who put links to camera covers (as if these weren't in place already)! All of the camera, bar the lens, is protected, but some people seem to think that the lens should also be protected. I'd love to hear how.
"Omagh and Sligo are exposed pitches. There is no way of broadcasting from within the stands (pylons, restrictions on the public, health and safety, etc.). Therefore, unlike Semple Stadium, Croke Park and some other locations, there is no covered stand to protect the camera positions in either Markievicz Park or Healy Park. Even if a camera gantry with a cover had been built for today to cover the camera positions, this wouldn't have made a jot of difference as the rain blew directly into the camera positions.
"No other broadcaster would have been able to do [a] better job in the conditions. As part of the GAA Beo team we did everything we could to provide entertainment - as we do every Sunday
"And even as we're drying off the equipment - not to mention ourselves - we're looking forward already to getting out next weekend for the next round of matches.
"Gach rath, go raibh maith agaibh as é seo a léamh."
At Healy Pk. while the centrally positioned cameras were being taken off air and dried, the elevated cameras behind the goals were brought into use much more than normal. Those camera positions behind the goal gave the tv viewer a much better perspective on many aspects of the game, eg. the movement of the players at kick outs.
Have to say, the cameras behind the goal were indeed excellent for the kick outs. As you say you could see the tactical moves of all the players. With regard to the armagh game, is mcgeary out due to being sent off?
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Jesus, Armagh are entitled to enjoy beating the dubs in croker. what's the point if you can't enjoy a win like that.
There's a line between enjoying such a victory and getting carried away with it.
Who’s getting carried away. Not Armagh fans. We know that as sure flies follow shit there will be a big comedown with this Armagh team following then getting our hopes up. I’d love to be wrong though but past experiences tell me I won’t be
How many from Kilmacud would walk straight onto the Dublin team?
Paul Mannion but obviously not involved. Dara Mullen and Cillian O'Shea only Crokes players on Dublin panel but they won't start. Would have Andy McGowan in there. Love to see Rory O'Carroll involved but can't see him returning.
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I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
Quote from: An Watcher on January 31, 2022, 09:47:34 PM
Have to say, the cameras behind the goal were indeed excellent for the kick outs. As you say you could see the tactical moves of all the players. With regard to the armagh game, is mcgeary out due to being sent off?
No suspension for 2 yellows
The camera man took to the 55th min to wipe a centre field camera at the Mayo game, so I don't know what the Tg4 rep blabbing about.
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Have to say, the cameras behind the goal were indeed excellent for the kick outs. As you say you could see the tactical moves of all the players. With regard to the armagh game, is mcgeary out due to being sent off?
No suspension for 2 yellows
If sent off previous for double yellow cards in last 48 weeks I think a suspension applies?
I know you can only read so much into the first game on a horrible day, but from a Kildare point of view I was delighted with the draw and the fact that we were the ones clawing it back at the end.
Still, Kerry had the ball for around a minute with a draw game and a minute left and they were afraid to really go for a score. I know there is a patient game and wait for a gap but like it was very poor.
The Dubs no longer have the bench to still out out the likes of a Kev Mc, McCauley and Paddy Andrews to name but a few to ease into the league either. Iheard James McCarthy is still suffering post-Covid too. I think we will have a real cut at them in Newbridge too and it'll be a bit of craic.
The season is nice and compact overall so there is less time to get things right, so it could mean some good games. Even after that good performance I know we will struggle with so few home games.
Looking forward to the weekend already!
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Quote from: illdecide on January 31, 2022, 10:38:40 AM
I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
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Quote from: illdecide on January 31, 2022, 10:38:40 AM
I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
There's a good number off that Armagh bench on Saturday who would start no problem (and who normally do!).
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Quote from: illdecide on January 31, 2022, 10:38:40 AM
I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
Well they brought 5 subs in on saturday and to those you can add Andy Murnin, Conor Turbitt,Ethan Rafferty,Ciaran O'Hanlon,James Morgan,Barry McCambridge, Oisin O'Neill and Conor O'Neill. You will probably also see another prospect Cian McConville get some game time this year.
Quote from: rosnarun on February 01, 2022, 11:04:26 AM
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
There is a world of difference between retirements and injuries or short term unavailability. The point is that Armagh has several players who will hopefully be available in the near future. Certainly, Oisin O'Neill, All star nominee, would be of interest to most teams in Ireland, Turbitt and Murnin are of similar value although Murnin has been plagued with fitness problems. Ethan Rafferty, James Morgan and Ciaran O'Hanlon have been team regulars in the past. The good thing about Armagh's performance was that several players not previously regular in the team stepped up against Dublin.
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I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
There is a world of difference between retirements and injuries or short term unavailability. The point is that Armagh has several players who will hopefully be available in the near future. Certainly, Oisin O'Neill, All star nominee, would be of interest to most teams in Ireland, Turbitt and Murnin are of similar value although Murnin has been plagued with fitness problems. Ethan Rafferty, James Morgan and Ciaran O'Hanlon have been team regulars in the past. The good thing about Armagh's performance was that several players not previously regular in the team stepped up against Dublin.
That's exactly it. How our bench compares to other div 1 teams in terms of quality is a separate issue, but as for ourselves, our bench from Saturday was as strong as I can remember, in terms of like for like with the starting 15. That's largely down to the number of new faces and fringe players who started.
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I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
Well they brought 5 subs in on saturday and to those you can add Andy Murnin, Conor Turbitt,Ethan Rafferty,Ciaran O'Hanlon,James Morgan,Barry McCambridge, Oisin O'Neill and Conor O'Neill. You will probably also see another prospect Cian McConville get some game time this year.
Jeez thats a strong panel. Are Oisin O'Neill & O'Hanlon injured? Turbitt playing Sigerson at the minute? Soupy Campbell, Niall Grimley & Ross McQuillan all also came on at the weekend for Armagh. Probably only realising how strong of a panel Armagh have, no shortage of good forwards there!
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I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
Well they brought 5 subs in on saturday and to those you can add Andy Murnin, Conor Turbitt,Ethan Rafferty,Ciaran O'Hanlon,James Morgan,Barry McCambridge, Oisin O'Neill and Conor O'Neill. You will probably also see another prospect Cian McConville get some game time this year.
Jeez thats a strong panel. Are Oisin O'Neill & O'Hanlon injured? Turbitt playing Sigerson at the minute? Soupy Campbell, Niall Grimley & Ross McQuillan all also came on at the weekend for Armagh. Probably only realising how strong of a panel Armagh have, no shortage of good forwards there!
Yes one of Queens stand out forwards, scored 0-8 last week. Interesting McGeeney is leaving him to college football until Queens season is over meanwhile Rory Gallagher hasn't allowed Conor Glass to line out for UUJ thus far.
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I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
Well they brought 5 subs in on saturday and to those you can add Andy Murnin, Conor Turbitt,Ethan Rafferty,Ciaran O'Hanlon,James Morgan,Barry McCambridge, Oisin O'Neill and Conor O'Neill. You will probably also see another prospect Cian McConville get some game time this year.
Jeez thats a strong panel. Are Oisin O'Neill & O'Hanlon injured? Turbitt playing Sigerson at the minute? Soupy Campbell, Niall Grimley & Ross McQuillan all also came on at the weekend for Armagh. Probably only realising how strong of a panel Armagh have, no shortage of good forwards there!
Talent has been there for a good few years with Armagh but hasnt really clicked yet, knew we had that performance in us and have been saying for a few years the ability is there to take on any team.
Turbitt was playing for Queens and as good as he is will get it tough to get his place. Oisin O'Neill (who's almost as good as the brother) is injured as far as I know, not sure about O'Hanlon.
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I certainly won't get carried away by Armagh's great performance on Sat nite, one thing i've learned from Armagh over the years is after a great result like that there a few nasty ones around the corner. They played great on the night but Dublin will improve a lot and we were probably at our best and not much more in the tank. It was a great result and hopefully can grind out another 3-4 pts from somewhere to stay up...That's all i'm thinking of at this stage is staying up and Sat's game has given us a much better chance of doing so...
As for Sunday's game with our neighbours that will be interesting...Armagh like to play football so Tyrone will be in their element and will probably end up a shoot out so expect a different game to what you seen Tyrone v Monaghan yesterday.
Definitely not getting carried away but one thing I would say is there's about 5 lads who could come in and start on that team and probably improve it. Croke Park definitely suits us. Tyrone will be a totally different prospect though!!
Armagh well deserved the win. Was thinking Armagh were missing a few players. Is Murnin injured? Always impressed with him.
You could probably change 7 or 8 lads from that Armagh team with players of similar quality. Murnin always class when he plays but rarely fit.
I dont bu that at all. Dublin thought the same untill they had to replace a few .
and this Armagh are a long way back from where teh Dubs were
Well they brought 5 subs in on saturday and to those you can add Andy Murnin, Conor Turbitt,Ethan Rafferty,Ciaran O'Hanlon,James Morgan,Barry McCambridge, Oisin O'Neill and Conor O'Neill. You will probably also see another prospect Cian McConville get some game time this year.
Jeez thats a strong panel. Are Oisin O'Neill & O'Hanlon injured? Turbitt playing Sigerson at the minute? Soupy Campbell, Niall Grimley & Ross McQuillan all also came on at the weekend for Armagh. Probably only realising how strong of a panel Armagh have, no shortage of good forwards there!
Yes one of Queens stand out forwards, scored 0-8 last week. Interesting McGeeney is leaving him to college football until Queens season is over meanwhile Rory Gallagher hasn't allowed Conor Glass to line out for UUJ thus far.
Darragh Canavan came on for Tyrone at the weekend too and hasn't played for UUJ yet either. Turbitt is a flyer, always been impressed with him anytime i've seen him.
Canavan and Glass both were injured upto recently
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Canavan and Glass both were injured upto recently
Glass wasn't playing for UUj but started for Derry 3 days later
Canavan wasn't playing for UUJ but came on for Tyrone 4 days later.
Do you think both of them played in the NFL without training for their county?
Pity none of the games are on TV Sunday now with the hurling back. There's even less on TV with Eir Sport gone, RTE seem to be showing same number of games. BBC have a couple but they could surely be better on their TV channel than their website.
Might be a stream going if GAA Go is showing Armagh Tyrone. It's a shame the TV coverage is so little. And then last weekend on Sunday was barely watchable with the wet camera lens.
Don't know how they're going to fit Football, Hurling and now Ladies Football and Camoige on Sunday game highlights show either. Really should be 2 highlights shows Sat and Sunday.
The Mayo football management have confirmed that forward and playmaker Tommy Conroy will likely miss the rest of the 2022 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury while playing with NUI Galway in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final on Tuesday evening.
The Neale club player left the field of play shortly before half-time, receiving treatment on his knee during the half-time break, and did not return to the action. The Mayo medical team did a full assessment and examination on Wednesday, and have confirmed that Conroy suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
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The Mayo football management have confirmed that forward and playmaker Tommy Conroy will likely miss the rest of the 2022 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury while playing with NUI Galway in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final on Tuesday evening.
The Neale club player left the field of play shortly before half-time, receiving treatment on his knee during the half-time break, and did not return to the action. The Mayo medical team did a full assessment and examination on Wednesday, and have confirmed that Conroy suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
Huge loss. f**k it anyway.
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The Mayo football management have confirmed that forward and playmaker Tommy Conroy will likely miss the rest of the 2022 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury while playing with NUI Galway in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final on Tuesday evening.
The Neale club player left the field of play shortly before half-time, receiving treatment on his knee during the half-time break, and did not return to the action. The Mayo medical team did a full assessment and examination on Wednesday, and have confirmed that Conroy suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
The Mayo Football Management should take a long look at themselves after this.
They played Tommy Conroy for the full 70 minutes on Sunday knowing he had a big Sigerson Cup game on the Tuesday.
It didn't matter a tuppence if Conroy played in the league game as it's only the league and they had lots of other options to play in his place.
Conroy was one of NUIG's main players, on a sports scholarship, in a knockout tie, so had to play in the Sigerson game.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
The Mayo football management have confirmed that forward and playmaker Tommy Conroy will likely miss the rest of the 2022 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury while playing with NUI Galway in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final on Tuesday evening.
The Neale club player left the field of play shortly before half-time, receiving treatment on his knee during the half-time break, and did not return to the action. The Mayo medical team did a full assessment and examination on Wednesday, and have confirmed that Conroy suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
The Mayo Football Management should take a long look at themselves after this.
They played Tommy Conroy for the full 70 minutes on Sunday knowing he had a big Sigerson Cup game on the Tuesday.
It didn't matter a tuppence if Conroy played in the league game as it's only the league and they had lots of other options to play in his place.
Conroy was one of NUIG's main players, on a sports scholarship, in a knockout tie, so had to play in the Sigerson game.
Totally agree. Should never have been playing for Mayo at the weekend. Needs to be a rule brought in to stop players playing both at the same time.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
The Mayo football management have confirmed that forward and playmaker Tommy Conroy will likely miss the rest of the 2022 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury while playing with NUI Galway in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final on Tuesday evening.
The Neale club player left the field of play shortly before half-time, receiving treatment on his knee during the half-time break, and did not return to the action. The Mayo medical team did a full assessment and examination on Wednesday, and have confirmed that Conroy suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
That's very bad news
Move that Colleges sh1te to before Christmas.
Football/Hurling is an activity for Club and County teams, its only a side issue in 3rd level Education entities.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on February 02, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
The Mayo football management have confirmed that forward and playmaker Tommy Conroy will likely miss the rest of the 2022 season after sustaining a cruciate ligament injury while playing with NUI Galway in the Sigerson Cup quarter-final on Tuesday evening.
The Neale club player left the field of play shortly before half-time, receiving treatment on his knee during the half-time break, and did not return to the action. The Mayo medical team did a full assessment and examination on Wednesday, and have confirmed that Conroy suffered a cruciate ligament injury.
The Mayo Football Management should take a long look at themselves after this.
They played Tommy Conroy for the full 70 minutes on Sunday knowing he had a big Sigerson Cup game on the Tuesday.
It didn't matter a tuppence if Conroy played in the league game as it's only the league and they had lots of other options to play in his place.
Conroy was one of NUIG's main players, on a sports scholarship, in a knockout tie, so had to play in the Sigerson game.
Totally agree. Should never have been playing for Mayo at the weekend. Needs to be a rule brought in to stop players playing both at the same time.
True. Make a simple rule: Sigerson players aren't allowed play in Intercounty provincial competitions, challenge games or league games until they've been knocked out of the Sigerson cup.
Anyway, full and speedy recovery to the lad he's some loss for Mayo.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
Move that Colleges sh1te to before Christmas.
Football/Hurling is an activity for Club and County teams, its only a side issue in 3rd level Education entities.
Welcome to the board James Horan
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2022, 01:43:37 PM
Move that Colleges sh1te to before Christmas.
Football/Hurling is an activity for Club and County teams, its only a side issue in 3rd level Education entities.
Agreed.
Mayo team and subs for the Monaghan game.
1.Rob Hennelly
2.Brendan Harrison
3.Padraig O'Hora
4.Lee Keegan
5.Paddy Durcan
6.Michael Plunkett
7.Eoghan Mc Laughlin
8 Conor O' Shea
9.Stephen Coen
10. Fionn McDonagh
11.Diarmuid O Connor
12.Bryan Walsh
13.Aiden Orme
14.Jason Doherty
15. Ryan O'Donoghue
SUBS:
16.Rory Byrne
17. Donnacha McHugh
18.Sam Callinan
19.Ruairi Keane
20.Rory Brickeneden
21 Aidan O' Shea
22.Jordan Flynn
23.Fergal Boland
24.Conor Loftus
25.Paul Towey
26.Frank Irwin
I thought given the conditions last week was a very good start to the league. Armagh shocking Dublin and a shock draw for Kildare v Kerry point to a very tight league this year. Should be a good weekend ahead with both Kerry Dublin and Armagh Tyrone probably the biggest two matches with big crowds expected. Armagh will fancy their chances to build on last weeks win, with Tyrone in recent years always slow starters in the league. Can't see there being much in it either way. Very hard to call games this time of year.
What exactly happened to Conroy? did the injury happen during a tackle? Or was it while landing? Lads can tear ACLs while being well rested as well.
what's the story with Cillian O'Connor atm? still injured?
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What exactly happened to Conroy? did the injury happen during a tackle? Or was it while landing? Lads can tear ACLs while being well rested as well.
Seemed to be a tackle
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what's the story with Cillian O'Connor atm? still injured?
Yes, last update was that they're targeting last couple of rounds of league for him to make an appearance
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 04, 2022, 09:52:07 AM
I thought given the conditions last week was a very good start to the league. Armagh shocking Dublin and a shock draw for Kildare v Kerry point to a very tight league this year. Should be a good weekend ahead with both Kerry Dublin and Armagh Tyrone probably the biggest two matches with big crowds expected. Armagh will fancy their chances to build on last weeks win, with Tyrone in recent years always slow starters in the league. Can't see there being much in it either way. Very hard to call games this time of year.
Given the conditions are forecast similar to those of last weekend it seems there will be more hard slogs and battles ahead.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 04, 2022, 10:42:35 AM
Given the conditions are forecast similar to those of last weekend it seems there will be more hard slogs and battles ahead.
It will be damp on Sunday, but the forecast suggests there will not be the heavy rain that some games had last week. Of course there will still be some battles.
Hopefully the window wipers on the cameras are working
-Would expect kerry to lay down a marker and hammer the dubs. The dirty petrol was released last Sunday against kildare. Going for 8-10 point win for the Kingdom men. The dubs have only beaten kerry once in league in last 6 years.
Do well to see a decent match in Tralee in these awful weather conditions.
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Do well to see a decent match in Tralee in these awful weather conditions.
Actually entertaining stuff so far on an awful night. Comerford point from free brilliant.
Ref cluseless.
Oops ref!
Woeful refereeing by Lane again.
What's the over/under on Marty Morrissey saying "kingdom of Kerry"? He must be in double figures already
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Do well to see a decent match in Tralee in these awful weather conditions.
Actually entertaining stuff so far on an awful night. Comerford point from free brilliant.
Better than i thought it would be. Eventful match thus far with Clifford missing a penalty and Dublin having a strange goal disallowed.
That was all a bit bizzare.
How he identified Scully? 8)
All very amateur...........referee is a homer!
Umpires fault though on who it was- well I think it was.
It was a penalty too.
Good game and atmosphere given the conditions. The Kerry supporters are like a pack of baying wolves tonight.
The Kerry fans shouting "you fat bastard" at every Dublin lockout need to f**k off back to England.
Great stuff from David Clifford.
Surely there is no way that goal should have been ruled out. Yes black card the man was the correct decision but the referee cant bring back a foul retrospectively that he didn't even see happening
No fball on that lad Small at all, how he even get a dublin jersey
This is some hammering now. Dublin full back line is woeful.
Could be 15pts in this one
Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
Fenton doesn't look so great now in a average fball team
Quote from: Hound on February 05, 2022, 07:38:57 PM
Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
The home crowd have got in their ear!
Shocking stuff again from Lane that was a fair shoulder.
Kerry 1-14 Dublin 0-4 at half time.
Quote from: Hound on February 05, 2022, 07:38:57 PM
Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
I'm not usually one to say that Dublin are getting done by a ref, but fuckin hell the ref has been atrocious
Kerry fans embarrassing themselves here tonight, its a League match in February but you'd think they were Burnley playing at home against Barcelona with some of the small time booing, jeering and insults coming from the stands.
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Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
Ball was last touched by dublin no 4
Another year, same Kerry. Dublin won a ball in midfield, turned and had a two on one in inside. Certain goal only for the worst hand pass of all time. I've said it the past few years and will again this year, I don't know who is winning the all Ireland but it won't be Kerry.
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Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
Ball was last touched by dublin no 4
It just wasn't though
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Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
Great scores under zero pressure. The no reaction from Dublin after the beating last week would suggest Dessie Farrell has lost the dressing room.
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Fenton doesn't look so great now in a average fball team
Sure he probably wouldn't get on the derry team either.
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Shocking stuff again from Lane that was a fair shoulder.
except the ball wasn't there!
A couple of ref decisions may have prevented this being a game.
Wouldnt had him over Tohill anyway.
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Shocking stuff again from Lane that was a fair shoulder.
the black card!?
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Wouldnt had him over Tohill anyway.
I'd have him over Tohill. Tohill has not kicked a ball in 15 years at inter-county! ;D
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Some good scores by Kerry but Dublin being rode by the officials. The lineball decision that led to the goal another example of an easy decision gone the wrong way
Ball was last touched by dublin no 4
It just wasn't though
Looked like it should have been a Dublin ball
Should the disallowed goal have stood? Lane didn't call foul and umpires aren't allowed make such decisions??
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Should the disallowed goal have stood? Lane didn't call foul and umpires aren't allowed make such decisions??
Surely, one of the worst calls I've seen in a long time.
Quote from: mrdeeds on February 05, 2022, 07:57:40 PM
Should the disallowed goal have stood? Lane didn't call foul and umpires aren't allowed make such decisions??
That's what I would have thought but they said at half time that the umpire can make a decision. It rarely ever happens though. Apparently he black carded the wrong man though.
That looked like a score
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Should the disallowed goal have stood? Lane didn't call foul and umpires aren't allowed make such decisions??
That's what I would have thought but they said at half time that the umpire can make a decision. It rarely ever happens though. Apparently he black carded the wrong man though.
Man he black-carded was nowhere near incident. Jaysus, the standard of refereeing.
Lahiff at no 9 is a waste of space
The knives will be sharpening for Dessie Farrell but Dublins failure to bring many players through in the last 3/4 years is becoming more evident now. Very few decent players in the 21-26 age group category and they are now in a relegation battle.
Time to amalgamate Dublin again
The Dubs love their oul high neck tackles.
Ref team got the wrong number for Scully black cared but got all
the other card decisions right.
Result has precisely zero to do with the ref.
Dublin look close to clueless. One Kerry player went down holding his head when Kilkenny hit him in his chest. I hope his self respect makes a quick recovery
7-1 to Dublin in what was a poor 2nd half in a contest that was over at half time
Fair play to Kerry players staying out on pitch to engage with fans on night like that. Nice to see.
Quote from: red hander on February 05, 2022, 08:43:53 PM
Fair play to Kerry players staying out on pitch to engage with fans on night like that. Nice to see.
Wasn't overly impressed with them tonight. The failings they had last year still seem to be there. Dublin were shambolic and need to get some of their top players back asap or they're going to be in division 2 next season.
Dangerous to read anything into a game played in winter conditions, but overriding feeling is how open the All Ireland looks to be this year.
It's important that if there's a strong breeze you play with it in the first half. Providing you win the toss.. Limerick, Galway and Kerry all played with the breeze in the first half and all had solid leads built up. Dublin are much better than tonight and will improve Kerry going full of the pipe.
Two impressive 1st halves from Kerry in the league so far and two dire 2nd halves.
Kerry need to be more clinical - left behind at least 3 gilt edged chances particularly the penalty and Geaney's chance.
Both sides still with 4 or 5 to come in. Moran, White, Okunbor the main ones for Kerry. McCarthy, Cooper, O'Callaghan, Fitzsimmons, Small for Dublin.
A championship match in Croke Park between them would be 50:50
Okunbor still unproven.
Kerry for me, I only saw the first 25 minutes, still have big gaps round half back and are vulnerable to being run at.
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Kerry fans embarrassing themselves here tonight, its a League match in February but you'd think they were Burnley playing at home against Barcelona with some of the small time booing, jeering and insults coming from the stands.
Paudie had them spot-on!😁
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 05, 2022, 08:47:04 PM
It's important that if there's a strong breeze you play with it in the first half. Providing you win the toss.. Limerick, Galway and Kerry all played with the breeze in the first half and all had solid leads built up. Dublin are much better than tonight and will improve Kerry going full of the pipe.
Always play with the wind in the second half. Momentum wins games and if you set up right against it that frustrates the other team. Dublin we're doing grand till the black card then collapsed. Had that not happened I think it could have been a significantly different game. Would they have won? No but they would not have lost by as much. Ifs and buts though
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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 05, 2022, 08:47:04 PM
It's important that if there's a strong breeze you play with it in the first half. Providing you win the toss.. Limerick, Galway and Kerry all played with the breeze in the first half and all had solid leads built up. Dublin are much better than tonight and will improve Kerry going full of the pipe.
Always play with the wind in the second half. Momentum wins games and if you set up right against it that frustrates the other team. Dublin we're doing grand till the black card then collapsed. Had that not happened I think it could have been a significantly different game. Would they have won? No but they would not have lost by as much. Ifs and buts though
Not sure about that, plenty of times the wind dies down for the 2nd half.
The Saw Doctors werent wrong
In terms of the league it's a big game for Mayo today and there are a couple of players who would need to pull their socks up a right bit. Hopefully our bench will be used to good effect like last week, but there won't be too much of a hill to climb. Reason why I say it's a big game is because it's Dublin im two weeks time and they will be going all guns blazing to beat us. Safe travels to all travelling today.
Donegal 2-7 Kildare 1-4 at the half
Murphy off injured
Kildare with the wind for second half
Monaghan 1-9 Mayo 1-8. Midway second half.
Mayo 2-10 Monaghan 1-11 full time.
Sickener for Monaghan to lose that, had plenty of chances to keep the scoreboard moving, in the first half especially, but we were incredibly wasteful - just like against Tyrone but in much better conditions today. Could well be crucial in what will be a tight league.
Donegal heading for defeat the way things are going. Still three ahead, but have only scored a point in the second half while Kildare are hitting some bad wides.
Meanwhile, Donegal manage to see it out 2-11 to 1-9.
Quick 2-2 before half time and three late points in the last five do the trick.
Monaghan and Mayo playing in the dark on the rte highlights here.
Moved Armagh/Tyrone post-game posts to its own thread.
As a lot of posters are from/support either Armagh or Tyrone, their respective league games from now on should have separate threads.
Post away on the rest of the Div 1 games here.
First half of Monaghan v Mayo was a good watch. Both teams played well. Monaghan probably missed too much and should have been further ahead than the one point at the break. The injury to Mcloughlin did sour the thing a bit and I hope he is back again soon. The second half was a bit scrappier. The second Mayo goal saw them home but Monaghan again had enough chances to at least get a draw but again the shooting boots went missing.
Why was the Monaghan Mayo game not on Gaago? The cameras were there as well as a proper commentator and there was a live feed going to the studio.
QuoteWhy was the Monaghan Mayo game not on Gaago? The cameras were there as well as a proper commentator and there was a live feed going to the studio.
Kinda glad it wasn't in the end, the commentary on Midwest was hilarious, the older Martin Carney is getting the odder his spakes are, he was brilliant.
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Kinda glad it wasn't in the end, the commentary on Midwest was hilarious, the older Martin Carney is getting the odder his spakes are, he was brilliant.
The reference to the Monaghan shot being like a North Korean Missile and the fat man, with Michael D adding that if the fat man was listening in from North Korea that he hoped he was enjoying their commentary was gold I thought.
Putting on live broadcast quality tv is expensive but like during Covid it was covered and you could pay for matches.
Like giving around 90 seconds of a report on Donegal v Kildare and then zero analysis is not good enough.
Surely they can work again with the local lads and have a live comms and allow people watch it back.
Make use of the streaming and people would pay. Like on a Sunday I had a family thing and we all checking Twitter when we would have gladly paid a tenner to watch it.
I am afraid to mention this as the mods have moved it, but if Tyrone are down the 4 lads that is as good a chance as any to get more points on the board.
Normally you'd say Armagh are peaking too soon but the season is tight so they might have the right idea. In game two Kerry and Dublin weren't messing around either so, weather permitting, the next round of games should settle a bit.
They had all the broadcast structure in place in Clones for a quality live broadcast (Gaago standards notwithstanding), a small fortune had already been spent and all the tv viewers fans got in return was a brief 5 mins of highlights and lowlights.
Tv Rights deals need overhaul, nobody took over Eirsport package, they showed 2-4 games on a Saturday alone. New BBC iPlayer deal is not available to Southern counties, not sure why it isn't on BBC2 NI? Next game Armagh Monaghan is on iPlayer hidden away from the public.
As for highlights, not feasible to shove all hurling, football, camogie ladies football into an hour or so highlights package. Its a shame Virgin media have no interest as RTE aren't providing enough coverage.
Virgin Media do have interest but RTÉ and Sky are there for the current packages.
I'd like to see them back at it. Like it's the same technical crew and they can have their pick of pundits.
I don't know why they don't even do extended highlights on the Player.
Are the Tyrone boys appealing or will they be missing for the Kildare match?
Armagh v Monaghan
Dublin v Mayo
Kerry v Donegal
Tyrone v Kildare
You would feel that were Armagh to beat Monaghan then it will almost certainly guarantee their safety for another season with 4 games to spare. That would be huge in terms of being afforded the opportunity to experiment tactically and personnel wise for the remaining games.
The other interesting game in terms of relegation is the Kildare v Tyrone match. You would feel that the loser of that match will be under big pressure to stay up. Tyrone haven't looked in good shape at all and without the 4 suspended players it is no certainty that they will beat a big athletic Kildare side.
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Armagh v Monaghan
You would feel that were Armagh to beat Monaghan then it will almost certainly guarantee their safety for another season with 4 games to spare. That would be huge in terms of being afforded the opportunity to experiment tactically and personnel wise for the remaining games.
In the league you often get variation in performance because of the training regime, when teams put in the stamina work for later in the season. If Armagh squeeze past Monaghan then they could entirely focus their training regime on performance in the championship as they might well pick up another point somewhere anyway and relegation would not be an issue. Whereas Dublin are under a bit of pressure to win the next couple of games, owing to their slow start.
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Are the Tyrone boys appealing or will they be missing for the Kildare match?
Appeals being heard tonight -
Are Armagh appealing Greg McCabe's red card?
How are Mayo fixed for Saturday evening v the Dubs?
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 14, 2022, 04:19:40 PM
How are Mayo fixed for Saturday evening v the Dubs?
Oisin Mullin, Ruane and Kev McLoughlin supposed to be back available for Mayo.
Hopefully Con back for Dublin after injury, but haven't heard news either way.
Conor Lane ref :'(
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How are Mayo fixed for Saturday evening v the Dubs?
Oisin Mullin, Ruane and Kev McLoughlin supposed to be back available for Mayo.
Hopefully Con back for Dublin after injury, but haven't heard news either way.
Conor Lane ref :'(
David Gough is ref I think?
McLoughlin has only rejoined the squad in past week so won't be starting anyway - few mins in second half possibly
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How are Mayo fixed for Saturday evening v the Dubs?
Oisin Mullin, Ruane and Kev McLoughlin supposed to be back available for Mayo.
Hopefully Con back for Dublin after injury, but haven't heard news either way.
Conor Lane ref :'(
David Gough is ref I think?
McLoughlin has only rejoined the squad in past week so won't be starting anyway - few mins in second half possibly
Interesting re Gough. Not sure whether I just picked that up wrong or if there's been a change.
But either way, he has been 'rewarded' with the high profile game live on RTE after how he dealt with the melee last week. The Dublin and Mayo lads had best keep their handbags at home!
I see all Tyrones red cards have been upheld. If there is any foul play whatsoever I'll be expecting red cards to be dished out now. God knows how this'll turn out but I'll be keeping a close eye
There won't be red cards for melees this weekend, no point kidding yourself. There was a melee in the hurling at the weekend and only 1 red was dished out (hegarty for what was a deliberate hit with the hurl).
The rest of them who were pushing, wrestling, grabbing face masks etc walked away scot free.
People accuse northerners and Tyrone in particular of having a chip on their shoulder but maybe look at cases like this and ask yourself why?
How long are those bans? Are they still 4 weeks or is it just one match?
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How are Mayo fixed for Saturday evening v the Dubs?
Oisin Mullin, Ruane and Kev McLoughlin supposed to be back available for Mayo.
Hopefully Con back for Dublin after injury, but haven't heard news either way.
Conor Lane ref :'(
David Gough is ref I think?
McLoughlin has only rejoined the squad in past week so won't be starting anyway - few mins in second half possibly
Interesting re Gough. Not sure whether I just picked that up wrong or if there's been a change.
But either way, he has been 'rewarded' with the high profile game live on RTE after how he dealt with the melee last week. The Dublin and Mayo lads had best keep their handbags at home!
Everyone Tyrone living room at the weekend - "where's your red card now you cnut ye???".
Questions will be asked
What's one of these living rooms you speak of?
Will there be snow disruption on Saturday?
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How are Mayo fixed for Saturday evening v the Dubs?
Oisin Mullin, Ruane and Kev McLoughlin supposed to be back available for Mayo.
Hopefully Con back for Dublin after injury, but haven't heard news either way.
Conor Lane ref :'(
David Gough is ref I think?
McLoughlin has only rejoined the squad in past week so won't be starting anyway - few mins in second half possibly
Interesting re Gough. Not sure whether I just picked that up wrong or if there's been a change.
But either way, he has been 'rewarded' with the high profile game live on RTE after how he dealt with the melee last week. The Dublin and Mayo lads had best keep their handbags at home!
Everyone Tyrone living room at the weekend - "where's your red card now you cnut ye???".
Lol that was brilliant. Had a good laugh at that because it's exactly what I would have said.
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Will there be snow disruption on Saturday?
I doubt it. Any snow of consequence will be Thursday night/Friday morning, which will likely melt. There could be a dusting after that, but I'd say it will not cause much harm.
Sunday might be wet enough, but Armagh and Monaghan might get by with a few showers.
What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 17, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
We seem to struggle to beat Monaghan recently, they've had our number for a long time now and they'll not fear playing us on Sat evening. Will be a tight game that can go either way...Hard to say if the two previous wins will help Armagh with a bit of extra confidence or will the bogey men from Monaghan beat us again...Will be close for sure...I'd agree with 50/50. An Armagh win should keep us in the Division so that's all i'd be caring about.
Another very stormy weekend to come, maybe a brief lull on Saturday but Sunday going to be difficult for any decent football. That'll be first 3 rounds played in significant gales, really disrupts the ability to analyse games.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 17, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Kildare should think they can get something with Tyrone missing those lads...but we are Kildare so we could lose by 5 or win by 5...
There is still no consistency with us, so I was expecting to lose by 6 or 7 versus Kerry and we drew. The Donegal game I had written off a bit, so not sure what to expect on Sunday.
Donegal 4/1 underdogs against Kerry. Big price, not sure I agree with it. Donegal surely have more of a shout than that?
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What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Could go either way. Monaghan always seem to get the better of Armagh
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Could go either way. Monaghan always seem to get the better of Armagh
Barring last years freak game in the heat in Down, I think we've had the upper hand the last few years. Near sure we beat them in the league last year and in a qualifier a few years back.
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What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Well Monaghan are 2/1 and most are predicting Armagh win so it would be.
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What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Well Monaghan are 2/1 and most are predicting Armagh win so it would be.
Still not an upset. Monaghan are more established and battle hardened than Armagh. Our win in the league could be put down to it being the opener and Monaghan exploited Armagh's defence last year in the championship and were scoring goals at will. Armagh have had some good wins but Monaghan will be dogged as they always are and as fellow relegation candidates before the start of the league they no possibly would have hit the ground running in terms of fitness. Undoubtedly, both teams would have been targeting each other for points.
As it stand, Armagh probably need another win to give themselves a good chance of survival. Monaghan really need the points for survival so will be looking to bring Armagh back down to earth.
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What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Well Monaghan are 2/1 and most are predicting Armagh win so it would be.
Still not an upset. Monaghan are more established and battle hardened than Armagh. Our win in the league could be put down to it being the opener and Monaghan exploited Armagh's defence last year in the championship and were scoring goals at will. Armagh have had some good wins but Monaghan will be dogged as they always are and as fellow relegation candidates before the start of the league they no possibly would have hit the ground running in terms of fitness. Undoubtedly, both teams would have been targeting each other for points.
As it stand, Armagh probably need another win to give themselves a good chance of survival. Monaghan really need the points for survival so will be looking to bring Armagh back down to earth.
But it is an upset.
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What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Indeed. There's not much between those four Ulster teams, especially in the league. Come championship, throw Derry in too. Sure, Donegal and Monaghan are fading and Derry and Armagh coming up, but most match-ups would start in and around 50/50.
The Mayo team and subs to play Dublin
1 Rob Hennelly – Roibeard O'Hionnaile - Breaffy
2. Lee Keegan – Laoi MacAogáin – Westport
3. Rory Brickenden - Ruairí Brickenden – Westport
4. Michael Plunkett – Micheal Pluinceid – Ballintubber
5. Oisín Mullin - Oisín Ó'Maoláin - Kilmaine
6. Stephen Coen © – Stiofáin O'Cadhain – Hollymount / Carramore
7. Donnacha McHugh – Donnacha MacAodh – Castlebar Mitchels
8. Matthew Ruane - Maitiú Ó Ruáin - Breaffy
9. Jordan Flynn – Siuirtán Floinn – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
10. Bryan Walsh – Brian Breachneach – Ballintubber
11. Diarmuid O'Connor – Diarmuid O'Conchuir - Ballintubber
12. Jack Carney - Sean O'Cearnaigh - Kilmeena
13. Paul Towey – Pól Tuathaigh– Charlestown
14. Ryan O'Donoghue – Riain O'Donnachadh - Beal a Mhuirthead
15. Aiden Orme – Aodhán Orme – Knockmore
SUBS:
16. Rory Byrne – Ruairi O'Broin – Castlebar Mitchels
17. Sam Callinan – Somhairle O'Calináin - Ballina Stephenites
18. Padraig O'Hora – Pádraig O'hOra – Ballina Stephenites
19. Eoghan McLaughlin – Eoghan MacLochlainn – Westport
20. Enda Hession - Éanna Ó'hOisín - Garrymore
21. Aidan O' Shea – Aodhán O'Se – Breaffy
22. Conor O' Shea – Conchur O'Se – Breaffy
23. Fergal Boland - Fearghal Ó'Beolláin - Aghamore
24. Conor Loftus – Conchur O'Lachtnáin – Crossmolina Deel Rovers
25. Kevin McLoughlin - Caoimhín MacLochlainn - Knockmore
26. Fionn McDonagh – Fionn MacDonncha – Westport
Some bench to call on
Of who will play this April in the championship v Galway, Mayo are missing Cillian O’Connor,Paddy Durcan, Jason Doherty and Harrison.
Be interesting to see how strong of hand Dessie Farrell has available to him this weekend. Even with their strongest 15 their bench isn't a patch on previous years.
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What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Well Monaghan are 2/1 and most are predicting Armagh win so it would be.
Still not an upset. Monaghan are more established and battle hardened than Armagh. Our win in the league could be put down to it being the opener and Monaghan exploited Armagh's defence last year in the championship and were scoring goals at will. Armagh have had some good wins but Monaghan will be dogged as they always are and as fellow relegation candidates before the start of the league they no possibly would have hit the ground running in terms of fitness. Undoubtedly, both teams would have been targeting each other for points.
As it stand, Armagh probably need another win to give themselves a good chance of survival. Monaghan really need the points for survival so will be looking to bring Armagh back down to earth.
But it is an upset.
Indeed it would be an upset considering Monaghan have to play the hot in-form team and leading AI contenders in their home ground.
Surprised Kevin McLoughlin making the bench given the fact he's not long back training with the squad.
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Quote from: balladmaker on February 17, 2022, 10:48:40 AM
What's the thinking on Armagh v Monaghan .... will Banty upset the apple cart? Or will Armagh make it 3 from 3? I think the latter but it's a 50/50 game.
Think Monaghan might cause an upset, they need a win or else relegation looking likely. They're playing well enough at the minute could have won the first 2 games and won the McKenna, so they're in good shape so far.
Hardly be an upset now.
Well Monaghan are 2/1 and most are predicting Armagh win so it would be.
Still not an upset. Monaghan are more established and battle hardened than Armagh. Our win in the league could be put down to it being the opener and Monaghan exploited Armagh's defence last year in the championship and were scoring goals at will. Armagh have had some good wins but Monaghan will be dogged as they always are and as fellow relegation candidates before the start of the league they no possibly would have hit the ground running in terms of fitness. Undoubtedly, both teams would have been targeting each other for points.
As it stand, Armagh probably need another win to give themselves a good chance of survival. Monaghan really need the points for survival so will be looking to bring Armagh back down to earth.
But it is an upset.
Indeed it would be an upset considering Monaghan have to play the hot in-form team and leading AI contenders in their home ground.
:) :) :)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 17, 2022, 08:32:18 PM
Surprised Kevin McLoughlin making the bench given the fact he's not long back training with the squad.
He's probably more up to speed than a lot of the players seeing that he was still playing club football last month.
That Mayo bench augurs well for them later in the year if they can ease those lads back. That was always the Dubs' trump card, to be able to bring on serious operators to close out or even win games.
The weather in Dublin is a bit wild, but nothing compared to other parts of the country, so you would imagine the game tomorrow night would be decent quality.
How is Omagh holding up for the Kildare visit? Are we looking at a wash-out job?
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That Mayo bench augurs well for them later in the year if they can ease those lads back. That was always the Dubs' trump card, to be able to bring on serious operators to close out or even win games.
The weather in Dublin is a bit wild, but nothing compared to other parts of the country, so you would imagine the game tomorrow night would be decent quality.
How is Omagh holding up for the Kildare visit? Are we looking at a wash-out job?
Snow and strong wind at the min. It's lying but very wet . More sleet like. Could be an issue if it continues.
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That Mayo bench augurs well for them later in the year if they can ease those lads back. That was always the Dubs' trump card, to be able to bring on serious operators to close out or even win games.
The weather in Dublin is a bit wild, but nothing compared to other parts of the country, so you would imagine the game tomorrow night would be decent quality.
How is Omagh holding up for the Kildare visit? Are we looking at a wash-out job?
Snow and strong wind at the min. It's lying but very wet . More sleet like. Could be an issue if it continues.
I can see it definitely being an issue if tomorrow isnt dry - gives a wet one
What games are televised this weekend?
At this stage does anyone know if (due to the severe weather conditions) if any NFL matches that will be OFF ?
eg Kerry v Donegal or Derry v Cork
Fixtures
Saturday 19 February
Allianz Football League Division 1 round 3
Armagh v Monaghan, Athletic Grounds, 5.30pm - BBC iPlayer / BBC Sport NI website
Dublin v Mayo, Croke Park, 7.30pm - RTE2
Allianz Football League Division 3 round 3
Antrim v Wicklow, Corrigan Park, 2pm
Fermanagh v Laois, Brewster Park, 6pm
Allianz Football League Division 4 round 3
Carlow v Waterford, Netwatch Cullen Park, 7pm
Sunday 20 February
Allianz Football League Division 1 round 3
Kerry v Donegal, Fitzgerald Stadium, 1.45pm - TG4
Tyrone v Kildare, O'Neills Healy Park, 3.45pm - TG4
Allianz Football League Division 2 round 3
Derry v Cork, Owenbeg, 1pm - TG4 app (deferred coverage on TG4 from 5.35pm)
Galway v Offaly, Pearse Stadium, 2pm
Meath v Down, Pairc Tailteann, 2pm
Roscommon v Clare, Dr Hyde Park, 2pm
Allianz Football League Division 3 round 3
Limerick v Louth, TUS Gaelic Grounds, 2pm
Westmeath v Longford, TEG Cusack Park, 2pm
Allianz Football League Division 4 round 3
Leitrim v London, Avant Money Pairc Sean MacDiarmada, 12pm
Sligo v Cavan, Markievicz Park, 2pm
Wexford v Tipperary, Chadwicks Wexford Park, 2pm
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At this stage does anyone know if (due to the severe weather conditions) if any NFL matches that will be OFF ?
eg Kerry v Donegal or Derry v Cork
Wouldn't be surprised if the Derry Cork game is shifted to CP.
A interesting article by mayo secretary. Could that stoke the flames tomorrow?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-came-back-onto-pitch-usual-arrogance-mayo-gaa-officer-slams-dublin-makes-case-var-introduced-242386
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 18, 2022, 10:13:13 PM
A interesting article by mayo secretary. Could that stoke the flames tomorrow?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-came-back-onto-pitch-usual-arrogance-mayo-gaa-officer-slams-dublin-makes-case-var-introduced-242386
wait til some former Dublin player hears about this and maybe highlights it in his newspaper column..........🤫🤫🤫
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 18, 2022, 10:13:13 PM
A interesting article by mayo secretary. Could that stoke the flames tomorrow?
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/dublin-came-back-onto-pitch-usual-arrogance-mayo-gaa-officer-slams-dublin-makes-case-var-introduced-242386
This is very old news and will have no bearing on this evening's game.
COYBIB
https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/andrewdempsey/philly-mcmahon-explains-egos-mayo-side/
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https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/andrewdempsey/philly-mcmahon-explains-egos-mayo-side/
Philly trying to discredit O'Shea. The reality is O'Shea came on to aggravate Philly. It was a win win for O'Shea he was off of the pitch and upsetting Philly there was a chance of disrupting his game or getting him booked. Nothing could happen to O'Shea!
I really hope Mayo can do it this evening. Certainly the bench is as strong as I've seen a Mayo bench over the past 10 years. Hopefully the Dublin bench won't be as strong as previous years and Mayo continue to pile the pressure on Dessie and co with a fourth competetive defeat in a row.
Going for Mayo win 6-8 points. Lee Keegan 25/1 RTE MOTM good value.
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https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/andrewdempsey/philly-mcmahon-explains-egos-mayo-side/
Philly trying to discredit O'Shea. The reality is O'Shea came on to aggravate Philly. It was a win win for O'Shea he was off of the pitch and upsetting Philly there was a chance of disrupting his game or getting him booked. Nothing could happen to O'Shea!
It would have been in mayo favour if action had been taken. ;D
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https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/andrewdempsey/philly-mcmahon-explains-egos-mayo-side/
Philly trying to discredit O'Shea. The reality is O'Shea came on to aggravate Philly. It was a win win for O'Shea he was off of the pitch and upsetting Philly there was a chance of disrupting his game or getting him booked. Nothing could happen to O'Shea!
It would have been in mayo favour if action had been taken. ;D
Isn't it strange that winning an All Ireland Semifinal but losing a final is regarded as success by some Mayo supporters.
COYBIB
Is just me or are the Dublin teams on paper looking weaker under Dessie Farrell? i suppose we'll see how this one plays on grass tonight.
Evan Comerford
Lee Gannon, David Byrne, Darragh Conlon
Sean Bugler, John Small, Sean McMahon
Brian Fenton, Tom Lahiff
Niall Scully, Ciaran Kilkenny, Brian Howard
Lorcan O'Dell, Ryan Basquel, Dean Rock
Cooper and Fitzsimons listed among subs so I'd say they will start
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Cooper and Fitzsimons listed among subs so I'd say they will start
Have you list of subs?
What channel armagh game on
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Cooper and Fitzsimons listed among subs so I'd say they will start
Have you list of subs?
Don't often say this when they are playing each other but Mayos sub list is stronger
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What channel armagh game on
I'm watching on gaago. Its on bbc website and iplayer. This link should work:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/northern-ireland/60291272
Armagh looking very flat since the mini break. Banty in fairness has Monaghan well organised and tuned in. 8-4 half time.
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Armagh looking very flat since the mini break. Banty in fairness has Monaghan well organised and tuned in. 8-4 half time.
Monaghan should be about 10 ahead but they've kicked wide after wide. Even Mcmanus missed a close free. Armagh have way off the pace
f**k me, we should be well out of sight. Dominated the Armagh kick out and created loads of chances, but so wasteful - into double digits for wides already.
mcmanus red. Camera didnt pick it up well. 5 point lead for monaghan but will be hard to hold on with 14
its contagious. Armagh missing everything now
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Cooper and Fitzsimons listed among subs so I'd say they will start
Have you list of subs?
Don't often say this when they are playing each other but Mayos sub list is stronger
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Thanks for that. Very inexperienced sub bench.
Penalty rebound save was brilliant from beggan. Really interesting game unfolding
how was it a black card for the penalty foul?
Armagh 1-7 Monaghan 0-10. Missed penalty proved costly however that Armagh performance was lucky to get a draw.
McCarron some diver. Cheat
Cassidy's missus must be from Monaghan. Soft free after soft free for Monaghan
Telling anyone who would listen all week that was a cert draw. Happy to get a draw. Best thing is the hype hubble is burst and likely safe.
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 19, 2022, 01:48:24 PM
https://punditarena.com/gaa/gaelic-football/andrewdempsey/philly-mcmahon-explains-egos-mayo-side/
Thanks Kerry for Sams, the greatest, and your other bullshit names for another inciteful story.
Hope the studying for your leaving cert is going well.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 19, 2022, 07:08:24 PM
Armagh 1-7 Monaghan 0-10. Missed penalty proved costly however that Armagh performance was lucky to get a draw.
Monaghan managed it out very well in the end. Probably the sensible thing to do. How did O'Neill not get a black though. The very definition of a black card and he gives a yellow ?
Christ, don't know what to make of that game. Half way through the second half I'd probably have taken a draw with the way it was going, but we should racked up a much bigger score in the first half which would have been loads based on that final score. But still, once we had that double whammy at the start of the 2nd half of Bannigan missing a goal and McManus being sent off, I knew we were in for a rough half an hour. Then I really expected Armagh to pull away when we went down to 13 men for a bit, luckily we held strong enough
We really needed the win here, but it was a bit similar to our first two games where we had plenty of chances to rack up a score early, but not take them and then struggle at the end in a tight game. We really need to work on the decision making and finishing, we created plenty but were so wasteful.
Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2022, 07:11:06 PM
Cassidy's missus must be from Monaghan. Soft free after soft free for Monaghan
With the decisions he gave against us, and some the other way(no black card for O'Neill), he must really hate his missus ;D
Barry Cassidy is a brutal referee...Full Stop. Draw prob fair result although Monaghan should have been out of sight in first half, with Armagh's better 2nd half performance and going in front with an extra man they should have won but couldn't see it out. Poor game in bad conditions, awful wides, awful ref and a touch of reality for Armagh that they've a long way to go yet.
McManus red card was a big turning point and I believe if he'd have stayed on the pitch Monaghan would have won, TBF to Rory B he gets himself into positions as an outfield player that can almost take away the impact of losing a man to a red card.
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Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2022, 07:11:06 PM
Cassidy's missus must be from Monaghan. Soft free after soft free for Monaghan
With the decisions he gave against us, and some the other way(no black card for O'Neill), he must really hate his missus ;D
:)...V good
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Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2022, 07:11:06 PM
Cassidy's missus must be from Monaghan. Soft free after soft free for Monaghan
With the decisions he gave against us, and some the other way(no black card for O'Neill), he must really hate his missus ;D
:)...V good
Tbh I just think he's shite in general, he wouldn't let any sort of flow to the game, some cards on both sides which were a bit needless
Armagh fans talking about winning Sam and they still can't beat Monaghan...even when playing v 14 men for half the game! :D
Quote from: KickPass on February 19, 2022, 07:26:48 PM
Armagh fans talking about winning Sam and they still can't beat Monaghan...even when playing v 14 men for half the game! :D
Where has anyone said that?
Good wake up call for Armagh. Oul shite night that suited Monaghan who I was impressed with, dealt with the conditions much better, the sending off and black card all going against them. Only for wayward shooting in first half they would have probably had enough on the board to see the game out. Pressed Armagh and dominated the middle third for larges parts of the game. Almost embarrassed Armagh how they played keep ball at the end having excellently turned the ball over. From an Armagh perspective we are probably lucky to have got a point out of that.
I don't know about the O'Neill tackle. There didn't appear to be anything malicious in it but could understand if he was black-carded.
Horrible conditions out there today which obviously had an impact on the game. Monaghan should have won that game with a few to spare.
Armagh's weak kick-out strategy has been exposed and it had cost them a few points today. I think this was the main sticking point of the game and there needs to be some new tactics drawn up to counter this. There was a serious lack of intensity from Armagh in the first half and periods of the second where they didn't seem to be interested.
I would have taken the point before this game started. Even when Armagh are playing crap they have managed to get a pointswhich is the only positive to take from today's game.
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Quote from: 5times5times on February 19, 2022, 07:11:06 PM
Cassidy's missus must be from Monaghan. Soft free after soft free for Monaghan
With the decisions he gave against us, and some the other way(no black card for O'Neill), he must really hate his missus ;D
That was the linesman's fault. He spoke to the ref who then gave the yellow. Terrible decision
Quote from: Solo_run on February 19, 2022, 07:35:28 PM
I don't know about the O'Neill tackle. There didn't appear to be anything malicious in it but could understand if he was black-carded.
Horrible conditions out there today which obviously had an impact on the game. Monaghan should have won that game with a few to spare.
Armagh's weak kick-out strategy has been exposed and it had cost them a few points today. I think this was the main sticking point of the game and there needs to be some new tactics drawn up to counter this. There was a serious lack of intensity from Armagh in the first half and periods of the second where they didn't seem to be interested.
I would have taken the point before this game started. Even when Armagh are playing crap they have managed to get some points which is the only positive to take from today's game.
he pulled him to the ground. Even his uncle Oisin thought it was a black until he backtracked a bit (afraid of incurring the wrath of his sister)
Didn't hit Small hard enough. The king of the cheap shots, rolling around as if he was shot.Not such the tough guy he thinks he is.
Has anyone on this board stood behind the goals and kicked a ball back onto the pitch, thereby delaying the game?
If so, you're an idiot.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Didn't hit Small hard enough. The king of the cheap shots, rolling around as if he was shot.Not such the tough guy he thinks he is.
Weasel. Appropriate.
Quote from: KickPass on February 19, 2022, 07:26:48 PM
Armagh fans talking about winning Sam and they still can't beat Monaghan...even when playing v 14 men for half the game! :D
Show us the quotes.
A point not a bad outcome on the night.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Didn't hit Small hard enough. The king of the cheap shots, rolling around as if he was shot.Not such the tough guy he thinks he is.
Tough man behind your keyboard. Gobshite.
Lively opening 25 mins in Croke Park. Dublin 0-7 Mayo 1-5. Horan will be disappointed they aren't leading by more and Dublinss defence is giving them plenty of time and space to score.
Quote from: Orior on February 19, 2022, 07:44:25 PM
Has anyone on this board stood behind the goals and kicked a ball back onto the pitch, thereby delaying the game?
If so, you're an idiot.
Time for ball boys, it's a feckin joke at this stage ... umpires standing like statues and won't remove a ball from the field.
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Quote from: Solo_run on February 19, 2022, 07:35:28 PM
I don't know about the O'Neill tackle. There didn't appear to be anything malicious in it but could understand if he was black-carded.
Horrible conditions out there today which obviously had an impact on the game. Monaghan should have won that game with a few to spare.
Armagh's weak kick-out strategy has been exposed and it had cost them a few points today. I think this was the main sticking point of the game and there needs to be some new tactics drawn up to counter this. There was a serious lack of intensity from Armagh in the first half and periods of the second where they didn't seem to be interested.
I would have taken the point before this game started. Even when Armagh are playing crap they have managed to get some points which is the only positive to take from today's game.
he pulled him to the ground. Even his uncle Oisin thought it was a black until he backtracked a bit (afraid of incurring the wrath of his sister)
I did hear McConville say it was a black card but I missed the replay.
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Quote from: straightred on February 19, 2022, 07:37:15 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on February 19, 2022, 07:35:28 PM
I don't know about the O'Neill tackle. There didn't appear to be anything malicious in it but could understand if he was black-carded.
Horrible conditions out there today which obviously had an impact on the game. Monaghan should have won that game with a few to spare.
Armagh's weak kick-out strategy has been exposed and it had cost them a few points today. I think this was the main sticking point of the game and there needs to be some new tactics drawn up to counter this. There was a serious lack of intensity from Armagh in the first half and periods of the second where they didn't seem to be interested.
I would have taken the point before this game started. Even when Armagh are playing crap they have managed to get some points which is the only positive to take from today's game.
he pulled him to the ground. Even his uncle Oisin thought it was a black until he backtracked a bit (afraid of incurring the wrath of his sister)
I did hear McConville say it was a black card but I missed the replay.
McConville was very good to be fair. Obviously he's going to be a bit biased but he fairly balanced overall
Half time Dublin 0-9 Mayo 2-6.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 19, 2022, 07:58:02 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 19, 2022, 07:44:25 PM
Has anyone on this board stood behind the goals and kicked a ball back onto the pitch, thereby delaying the game?
If so, you're an idiot.
Time for ball boys, it's a feckin joke at this stage ... umpires standing like statues and won't remove a ball from the field.
They ain't supposed to get the ball! The keeper or defender is fit enough for that
https://twitter.com/OurMa3/status/1495123507331715073?t=4Jj3j-_DMykqxdvnSTzj2A&s=19
Another angle of the penalty.
Thought it might have bounced over in real time, but there wasn't a decent camera angle of it.
Quote from: Estimator on February 19, 2022, 08:20:51 PM
https://twitter.com/OurMa3/status/1495123507331715073?t=4Jj3j-_DMykqxdvnSTzj2A&s=19
Another angle of the penalty.
Thought it might have bounced over in real time, but there wasn't a decent camera angle of it.
Definitely looks over from that. No great protests at the time.
Dublin getting their fill of it from mayo but I expect then to win. The league is a great competition, played at the wrong time of the year
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 19, 2022, 07:42:48 PM
Didn't hit Small hard enough. The king of the cheap shots, rolling around as if he was shot.Not such the tough guy he thinks he is.
Yet you are the ejit we all think you are
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Wow.
The referee is even looking at the ball from this angle.
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Cassidy's missus must be from Monaghan. Soft free after soft free for Monaghan
With the decisions he gave against us, and some the other way(no black card for O'Neill), he must really hate his missus ;D
:)...V good
Tbh I just think he's shite in general, he wouldn't let any sort of flow to the game, some cards on both sides which were a bit needless
I agree. He is one of the poorest refs. And that's saying something
Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Mayo playing some great stuff. They can wear whatever color of boots they want
FT Dublin 0-12 Mayo 2-11. Fully deserved win for Mayo, Dublin are certainly relegation candidates now.
How long is it since Dublin started the league this bad?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2022, 08:48:02 PM
Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
Great game given the conditions. Dublin found it hard to break down Mayo. Super full blooded contest, credit to both teams. Thought Lahiff was unlucky with the follow through body collide. Hennelly was outstanding again.
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Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
The manager wouldn't have started you for starters
A fair bit of bad shooting by the Dubs between wides and shots dropped short.
Also in terms of the difference in standards between Dessie and Jim - Dublin were late out on the pitch after half-time.
In the Kerry game, Dublin used two players who weren't named in the program.
Besides both of these being fineable offences, these strike me as the very opposite of the kind of standards Gavin would have set.
Edit: Also Fitzsimmons being booked for no gum shield.
That's Junior B standard levels of stupidity in terms of picking up a dumb booking.
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Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
Why is someone's hairstyle or boot colour worth being bothered about or apparently grounds for abuse. Humans are such odd creatures.
This post was ahead of its time.
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Certainly we would like to win the League but Monaghan were very good and even Fento was overwhelmed and if we don't make the final it could mean that we don't win Sam
At this stage all Dublin supporters would be happy to just avoid relegation, truth be told.
That defeat in the O'Byrne Cup final has, as I predicted, destroyed the myth of invincibility surrounding this Dublin team.
With Mayo flying at the moment, we'll find it very difficult to avoid being in the drop zone after the next roound of fixtures.
Unlike Mayo, Tyrone, Roscommon and Cavan, this Dublin team have no experience of being involved in a relegation battle - and that's what makes the prospect very dangerous.
If the players start thinking they're too good to go down, they could end up doing just that.
If Mayo win at Croke Park on February 23rd, it may be time to say goodbye to Jim Gavin and hello to Sam Allardyce.
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Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
Why is someone's hairstyle or boot colour worth being bothered about or apparently grounds for abuse. Humans are such odd creatures.
They ain't, I was just asking
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Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
Why is someone's hairstyle or boot colour worth being bothered about or apparently grounds for abuse. Humans are such odd creatures.
You ain't in your late 40s/early 50s then ?
As MR says, we ain't slagging or abusing, just curious
Cannot believe how quickly Dublin have fallen apart considering how dominant they were
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Cannot believe how quickly Dublin have fallen apart considering how dominant they were
Every team has its day in the sun, Dublin have had cracking days but the hunger, age, ability might not be there.
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Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
kudos to any man thats able to hammer that beast-pink boots or not!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2022, 08:48:02 PM
Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
Could you imagine playing in our day with pink boots and a pony tail
You'd take some hammering every game
Why is someone's hairstyle or boot colour worth being bothered about or apparently grounds for abuse. Humans are such odd creatures.
You ain't in your late 40s/early 50s then ?
As MR says, we ain't slagging or abusing, just curious
I don't get what there is to be curious about? Players have been playing with boots of all different colours for years now! I hardly even notice anymore. Ye lads need to get out more.
I had a look at the subs Dublin brought on in their three league games so far.
Armagh
Ross McGarry
Dean Rock
Cameron McCormack
Lorcan O'Dell
Sean McMahon
Kerry
Ciaran Archer
Ryan Basquel
Ross McGarry
Killian McGinnis
CJ Smith
Mayo
Ross McGarry
Johnny Cooper
Cian Murphy
Alex Wright
Henry Ladd
13 different players used as subs in 3 games says a world about the state of the Dublin squad at the moment.
Bar a couple of exceptions, most of these haven't played any league games never mind any championship minutes.
The phrase wildly inexperienced springs to mind looking at that.
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Has anyone on this board stood behind the goals and kicked a ball back onto the pitch, thereby delaying the game?
If so, you're an idiot.
Time for ball boys, it's a feckin joke at this stage ... umpires standing like statues and won't remove a ball from the field.
They ain't supposed to get the ball! The keeper or defender is fit enough for that
When kickouts are crucial and the need for a quick kick out ever more apparent, do you not think there's a need for a ball boy/girl to sort that out when some eejit kicks the ball onto the field and directly interferes with the game?
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Cannot believe how quickly Dublin have fallen apart considering how dominant they were
Every team has its day in the sun, Dublin have had cracking days but the hunger, age, ability might not be there.
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Pink boots! Is this for charity ?
The Dubs have been fairly charitable in recent matches alright !
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Cannot believe how quickly Dublin have fallen apart considering how dominant they were
Every team has its day in the sun, Dublin have had cracking days but the hunger, age, ability might not be there.
Not 100% on retirements but commentator tonite said mccarthy ocallaghan the other small and one or two others to come back. I wouldnt write them off just yet...]
I would. Going absolutely nowhere. The second half tonight was utterly abject.
I would make a bold prediction that Dublin or Tyrone will not win Sam. A toss up between Kerry or Mayo, if luck runs with Donegal or Armagh they might make AIF.
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I would make a bold prediction that Dublin or Tyrone will not win Sam. A toss up between Kerry or Mayo, if luck runs with Donegal or Armagh they might make AIF.
Any one of about eight teams could win it and none are Dublin. I don't see Kerry being beaten by any team outside of Mayo, Donegal or Tyrone though. But Mayo and especially Donegal or Tyrone could be beaten by a load of teams.
Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 19, 2022, 10:37:52 PM
I would make a bold prediction that Dublin or Tyrone will not win Sam. A toss up between Kerry or Mayo, if luck runs with Donegal or Armagh they might make AIF.
It'll be Tyrone or Kerry. Mayo have no cutting edge and Dublin are gone.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 19, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
Not too early the decline was clearly visible last summer. Fenton is struggling without a decent midfield partner, McCarthys best days are behind him and while O'Callaghan is a talented footballer he won't able to fix malfunctioning forward line.
Dublin are now back to the 1996 to 2010 era (a side that won't be winning or reaching All-Ireland finals)
No need to split them in half now then?
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 19, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
This. When it comes down to business end they'll still beat most teams. At the minute Kerry would have to be favourites but again hard to know in a real battle how they will hold up.
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Wow.
The referee is even looking at the ball from this angle.
Wow is right. 100% certain that was over the line.
What was the score at the time?
I think it was 9-4 Monaghan. Armagh goaled shortly after.
Does anyone think he did it on purpose?
It was from the multiple views, over the line, I haven't seen a proper clear still of it but from the rolling footage I've seen in real time it looked over.
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Wow.
The referee is even looking at the ball from this angle.
Wow is right. 100% certain that was over the line.
What was the score at the time?
Monaghan were 5 ahead. Armagh got their goal shortly after that
Match goes ahead in Omagh. Bound to be a swimming pool
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Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
This. When it comes down to business end they'll still beat most teams. At the minute Kerry would have to be favourites but again hard to know in a real battle how they will hold up.
Dublin have the leinster campaign playing a lot of average teams to rebuild confidence and momentum. I would not be writing them off just yet
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 20, 2022, 08:31:08 AM
I think it was 9-4 Monaghan. Armagh goaled shortly after.
i watched the game live and didnt notice it and neither did the commentators. Things is though that they got their goal straight after it anyway. Would they have got 2 goals ? I don't think you can say that with any confidence
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 19, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
Fenton has been very poor so far this season, O'Callaghan has not played and McCarthy is in terminal decline. Dublin will have a few lean years ahead as they are not producing anywhere near the same calibre of player of a decade ago. Jim Gavin got out at exactly the right time.
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Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 19, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
Fenton has been very poor so far this season, O'Callaghan has not played and McCarthy is in terminal decline. Dublin will have a few lean years ahead as they are not producing anywhere near the same calibre of player of a decade ago. Jim Gavin got out at exactly the right time.
They are a shambles at the moment and there's a good chance they won't win Leinster. Having said that the standards dropped immediately after Farrell took over from Gavin. If Gavin were to be put back in charge tomorrow I'd fancy them to turn it around and win the AI.
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Think it's entirely too early to write off Dublin. I wouldn't fancy them, but I'd be slow to write them off. We're only half way through the league and Tyrone were in a far worse place at the end of the league last year than Dublin are now.
There aren't m(any) better backs than McCarthy in the country. There aren't m(any) better midfielders than Fenton in the country. There aren't m(any) better forwards than O'Callaghan in the country.
Fenton has been very poor so far this season, O'Callaghan has not played and McCarthy is in terminal decline. Dublin will have a few lean years ahead as they are not producing anywhere near the same calibre of player of a decade ago. Jim Gavin got out at exactly the right time.
They are a shambles at the moment and there's a good chance they won't win Leinster. Having said that the standards dropped immediately after Farrell took over from Gavin. If Gavin were to be put back in charge tomorrow I'd fancy them to turn it around and win the AI.
With respect, who will beat them in Leinster? Only Kildare have the mildest hope. Meath going the other direction and everyone other team is poor. While at the same time Dublin can only get better from where they currently are.
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I think it was 9-4 Monaghan. Armagh goaled shortly after.
i watched the game live and didnt notice it and neither did the commentators. Things is though that they got their goal straight after it anyway. Would they have got 2 goals ? I don't think you can say that with any confidence
Yeah I thought for a split second but there were no replays and no commentators saying anything about it so assumed there was nothing in it.
They might not have got the second goal if they'd go that but you never know. It's not like the clan lynch sending off where it's ludicrous and wrecks the game.
What did McManus do? I watched good bits of the game but missed that bit.
Dublin will win Leinster and without that much bother I suspect. Come championship you'd still only put a few above them. They haven't as much squad depth any more but that's stil far from the best 15. In saying that I think like Donegal they could do with a better manager and would do much better things with one.
Think mcmanus is meant to have hit the boy a dig in the stomach. He may have pushed him into the net though but not sure. Thought Rian oneill was very lucky to escape a black card in the second half last night. Armagh may be going rightly but if they don't sort their kick outs they're going nowhere
I still am not convinced on Armagh . I thought while they beat Tyrone that when Tyrone pushed up on them and squeezed them a lot more they struggled a bit. They definitely have great football in them but I am not sure if this is enough in championship. (I hope i am wrong as I would love to see them come through again).
Don't think it was mentioned yet but DOC was very impressive last night for Mayo. His work for the first goal was unreal. The strength to hold the Dublin man off, the pick up and vision to see the hand pass over the top was first class.
Current Division 1 relegation odds
Kildare 2/7
Dublin 10/11
Monaghan 10/11
Tyrone 11/4
Sam
Kerry 11/8
Dublin 5/2
Mayo 13/2
Tyrone 9/1
Mayo at 13/2 probably the best value there.
Mates on the WhatsApp worrying about the Dubs coming to Newbridge and bringing the big guns, but they have what they have now. Con and James Mc will make a huge difference but they seem very disjointed and not on the same page at all.
When you look at who Mayo had in reserve still they seem much better set. I don't see Dessie there next year anyway.
We will all shoulder through today first. What an awful day to be trying to play football.
Donegal must be the hardest team in Division One to watch!
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Donegal must be the hardest team in Division One to watch!
They are brutal at the minute. Pointless back and forth handpassing. Patton must think he's morgn or beggan
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Donegal must be the hardest team in Division One to watch!
The wind is in favour of Kerry this half. It is not that Donegal cannot kick the ball it is they can't. One of their goal kicks literally stalled in the air and dropped.
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Donegal must be the hardest team in Division One to watch!
They are brutal at the minute. Pointless back and forth handpassing. Parton must think he's morgn or beggan
You'd nearly fancy Dublin against them.
I think Donegal are doing all right. Given the conditions this was always about damage limitation, especially with the team they've out.
The wind should give the likes of Ciaran Thompson, Ryan McHugh, McBrearty and, assuming he comes on, Langan, a chance to show what they can from out the field.
McBrearty looks to be carrying a fair bit of timber!
Flukey goal for Clifford. Clifford went for a point, the ball dropped and GK mishandled it I believe.
That's shit!
What on earth was Patton doing there
That's the game now.
Donegal have been brutal this half anyway.
Kerry had a couple of goals chances before that one. Donegal have had only one point in the second half with the wind. This won't be close.
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What on earth was Patton doing there
Did he slip as he tried to get across?
At least Brendan McCole is showing signs he might be shaping into a successor for Neil McGee.
Lucky for Donegal that kerry missed 3 clear goal chances.
Christ Donegal are woeful. What is Mchugh at?
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Christ Donegal are woeful. What is Mchugh at?
That was shocking
Would have made an exciting last five
I don't think Donegal are as bad as that game would make it look. The conditions certainly have not helped and Kerry have managed them must better.
Quote from: Solo_run on February 20, 2022, 03:21:44 PM
I don't think Donegal are as bad as that game would make it look.
I don't know they have been flat a couple of years now. Not getting worse, but definitely not getting better.
There's no direction or leadership in the absence of Murphy. Langan being out didn't help either, but the one dimensional back and forth would at least be varied if you'd Murphy getting on the ball and looking for ball through the gaps.
We need a new start next year.
Donegal very poor for such a talented group. Their decision making in the forwards was very wayward. If they had more composure they could have made a battle of the game at least. Kerry hard to beat in Killarney as many teams find out.
Kildare fella just took a piss live on TV!
That lad Flynn a fair footballer
Tyrone look absolutely miles off the pace here.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 03:59:07 PM
That lad Flynn a fair footballer
Rory Brennan getting a roasting from him.
Tyrone made a b@lls of 2 great goal chances. Playing woeful here.
Can't blame everything on a training program
Standard 21m free, played it short, what's he thinking
Quote from: tyroneman on February 20, 2022, 04:05:10 PM
Tyrone made a b@lls of 2 great goal chances. Playing woeful here.
Can't blame everything on a training program
Just messed up a tap over free as well.
It's a bad day and all but Christ this is a tough watch!!
Can anybody see anything 😃
Mcnally not a a Tyrone fan
Can hear the wind howling on TV there, Kildare missed 2 handy enough frees if it was in normal conditions.
Showing on premier sports 2. English commentary.
It's a day to watch this on the radio
Dreadful. Have looked like a 3rd Div team so far in this year's league
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:10:39 PM
Standard 21m free, played it short, what's he thinking
It was a good idea but Donaghy (i think) wasnt expecting it. Tyrone not at the races at all.
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Showing on premier sports 2. English commentary.
Is the wind and rain as bad on premier sports?
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Showing on premier sports 2. English commentary.
Is the wind and rain as bad on premier sports?
Aye. In English as well 😀
3 goal chances now messed up.
Feck me how many goal chances are needed
This game is comedy gold. f**k I'd hate to play in them conditions
Young darragh wasting some amount of chances
Quote from: tyroneman on February 20, 2022, 04:21:02 PM
Feck me how many goal chances are needed
Canavan needs to watch the aul boys goal in 2005 to see how to keep a ball low
Surely county players deserve league played from April - June and Championship June - September.
Kildare look fit and well organised, certainly not the whipping boys that some predicted at the outset of the League. Tyrone have been woeful in that first half, no wonder they can't get a decent crowd at their matches despite being AI champions.
Where did he get an extra 30 seconds from there?
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2022, 04:24:45 PM
Where did he get an extra 30 seconds from there?
Morgan took a minute to take the 45.
Has Cassidy them jeans painted on
Derry hit the crossbar against Cork.
David Clifford hit the crossbar again Donegal.
Darragh Canavan hits the crossbar against Kildare.
Wild hard conditions to play in.
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Was talking to couple of Elderly Tyrone supporters and they spoke of their frustration of the online system. They are not familiar with devices and are hearing to ask friends to sort these tickets for them
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 20, 2022, 04:30:52 PM
Derry hit the crossbar against Cork.
David Clifford hit the crossbar again Donegal.
Darragh Canavan hits the crossbar against Kildare.
Wild hard conditions to play in.
O'Neill hit the crossbar for Armagh
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Bit of wind and rain?? Woeful crowd for a must win game in Omagh.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 20, 2022, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
It's clearly the weather - looked a smaller crowd than usual at the Kerry Donegal game as well.
On the ticket issue - I would say it's only a matter of time before county boards start moving to online tickets for club games.
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Mates on the WhatsApp worrying about the Dubs coming to Newbridge and bringing the big guns, but they have what they have now. Con and James Mc will make a huge difference but they seem very disjointed and not on the same page at all.
When you look at who Mayo had in reserve still they seem much better set. I don't see Dessie there next year anyway.
We will all shoulder through today first. What an awful day to be trying to play football.
Along time since Kildare were favourites against the dubs. Kildare could be in contention with victories today and next week. A very athletic and well drilled Tyrone. Tyrone did have the firepower today.
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I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Bit of wind and rain?? Woeful crowd for a must win game in Omagh.
What was Derrys excuse over the years ?
That goal been Coming awhile, not sure what way Kildare are set up at the back, Tyrone been though now, at least 4 times.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Bit of wind and rain?? Woeful crowd for a must win game in Omagh.
What was Derrys excuse over the years ?
Yeah, but we're not discussing Derry, but the paltry attendance in Omagh
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Bit of wind and rain?? Woeful crowd for a must win game in Omagh.
What was Derrys excuse over the years ?
Yeah, but we're not discussing Derry, but the paltry attendance in Omagh
And its been discussed..... The weather
Can Tyrone get better ?
The decision making from Tyrone is really really bad.
Armagh probably the best support among the Ulster teams.Tyrone some bad misses here.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Bit of wind and rain?? Woeful crowd for a must win game in Omagh.
What was Derrys excuse over the years ?
Yeah, but we're not discussing Derry, but the paltry attendance in Omagh
Yeah what ? What was Derrys excuse ?
Some amount of soft calls going all in Kildares favour.
Peach of a goal by Mc Curry.
Tyrone have savage skilful forwards should be further ahead.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:52:03 PM
That goal been Coming awhile, not sure what way Kildare are set up at the back, Tyrone been though now, at least 4 times.
Cluelessly given the amount of space Tyrone had to work with for the two goals and the fact Tyrone have the wind in the second half.
At this stage just take your point ffs
Crossbars have taken the biggest bashin through Ireland in this windiest of weekends...
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 20, 2022, 04:32:19 PM
I notice the stand not been overly full alright, which is strange for Omagh. The sheer hassle of trying to get online tickets for older people maybe showing.
I would have thought it was due to weather.
Bit of wind and rain?? Woeful crowd for a must win game in Omagh.
What was Derrys excuse over the years ?
Yeah, but we're not discussing Derry, but the paltry attendance in Omagh
Yeah what ? What was Derrys excuse ?
Put that phone away or it'll get drenched
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 20, 2022, 05:15:22 PM
Crossbars have taken the biggest bashin through Ireland in this windiest of weekends...
Wonder are there many county grounds with the flat crossbars they have at Owenbeg?
I don't understand why teams don't sacrifice one player to stay on the edge of the square the whole game. It's criminal how many times the goal keeper goes unchanged. Mc Curry thumps the crossbar!! Niall Morgan some save.
Conn Kilpatrick is a machine. Richie Donnelly puts Tyrone ahead.
Quote from: clarshack on February 20, 2022, 05:15:12 PM
At this stage just take your point ffs
Kildare return the favour.
In a low-scoring draw game, with less than 5 minutes of normal time left, against a relegation rival not taking your point in these situations is madness.
Kildare trying hard for the goal - should have took the points.
Jesus Kildare fairly butchered those couple of goal chances
It was harder for Flynn. To put that over the bar instead of the net.
Was poor fare until there last 10 mins and it could have been anyones.
Draw would probably have been a fair result both teams made a serious amount of errors!
Big win for Tyrone.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 20, 2022, 05:17:21 PM
I don't understand why teams don't sacrifice one player to stay on the edge of the square the whole game. It's criminal how many times the goal keeper goes unchanged. Mc Curry thumps the crossbar!! Niall Morgan some save.
Was thinking the very same last night. Monaghan were a man down but Beggan on walk about neutralises that. Stick a man on the edge of the square and Beggan is confined to quarters. Couldn't believe we didn't do that.
We came out swinging ! Lol
Not the best words considering the game against Armagh
Kildare missed some very easy goal chances, Tyrone fortunate enough to get the 2 points I think.
Kildar shite the nest. By far the better team most of game.
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Kildar shite the nest. By far the better team most of game.
🤣🤣
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Thanks Kerry for Sams, the greatest, and your other bullshit names for another inciteful story.
Hope the studying for your leaving cert is going well.
You ok Joe? Less of the bullying please. You seem to know. Haven't clue who you are.
Kildare will feel like they left that game behind them, they had enough possession but lacked a focal point in attack by moving Flynn out the field. Their build up was much too slow in the second half which allowed Tyrone to set up their spiders web defence.
It was a golden chance missed for Kildare to put a nail in Tyrone's coffin without the 4 players.
Thank fcuk for that as it was a must win game. Kildare will be kicking themselves though.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 20, 2022, 05:35:03 PM
Kildare will feel like they left that game behind them, they had enough possession but lacked a focal point in attack by moving Flynn out the field. Their build up was much too slow in the second half which allowed Tyrone to set up their spiders web defence.
It was a golden chance missed for Kildare to put a nail in Tyrone's coffin without the 4 players.
Think Kildare should be happy tyrone didn't have 3 goals before half time
Quote from: yellowcard on February 20, 2022, 05:35:03 PM
Kildare will feel like they left that game behind them, they had enough possession but lacked a focal point in attack by moving Flynn out the field. Their build up was much too slow in the second half which allowed Tyrone to set up their spiders web defence.
It was a golden chance missed for Kildare to put a nail in Tyrone's coffin without the 4 players.
Tyrone were equally poor in taking scores. Old hands got them over the line today.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 20, 2022, 05:35:03 PM
Kildare will feel like they left that game behind them, they had enough possession but lacked a focal point in attack by moving Flynn out the field. Their build up was much too slow in the second half which allowed Tyrone to set up their spiders web defence.
It was a golden chance missed for Kildare to put a nail in Tyrone's coffin without the 4 players.
Compare the way Tyrone's defense set up in the second half compared to way Kildare set-up defensively.
The amount of space Tyrone's forwards had to work with compared to Kildare's was light and day.
Did any of the Kildare management or players watch Tyrone last year and see how much sucess they got from breaking out of defence with good fast kicked ball.
4 points up at half-time and given the conditions, Kildare should have battened down the hatches and congested their own half.
Instead they had their defenders constantly pushing forward leaving acres of space for Tyrone to exploit.
Kamikaze tactics from Kildare - will be gobsmacked if they avoid relegation.
Tyrone were very bad mostly, but looked at various times like they could pull away and had that bit more quality. There were several simple enough scores left behind and a bit unlucky for the goal chances.
I think it's a decent result given the weather, they were missing Harte, McNamee, Hampsey, McGeary, McKernan, Donnelly and O'Neill, which is half the outfield players who started in last year's final.
The win was important and one more win should be enough to see us secure safety. Happy enough, with plenty to improve and good to see that the players looked in good physical condition.
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Quote from: yellowcard on February 20, 2022, 05:35:03 PM
Kildare will feel like they left that game behind them, they had enough possession but lacked a focal point in attack by moving Flynn out the field. Their build up was much too slow in the second half which allowed Tyrone to set up their spiders web defence.
It was a golden chance missed for Kildare to put a nail in Tyrone's coffin without the 4 players.
Think Kildare should be happy tyrone didn't have 3 goals before half time
Kildare had a few goal chances, Tyrone's keeper was in good form
That was madcap fun in fairness! Like I am sickened that Kildare came away with nothing BUT we could have been buried by half-time and could have won it with the goal chances.
Both teams made some very silly mistakes but great entertainment considering the conditions.
Some Kildare lads are losing their shite that we bottled it, but like six months ago Westmeath should have beaten us in Leinster.
Tyrone could easily have had 5 or 6 goals there but I still felt Kildare were probably the better side overall. Some absolutely terrible decision making in the Tyrone team today.
On the plus side, it was a Tyrone side without a pile of key men and a panel in general still playing catch up this season, and playing in horrific conditions once again. As such two very welcome points. I thought Meyler was our best player, a cool head on a day when there was a lack of composure. Canavan played some nice stuff and should come on with games. I was delighted to see McKenna get a start but he looked to be trying to do too much there, very little of which came off. Another who needs games.
I thought that was a great workout for the panel. You could see that they had been roasted at halftime by the way they approached the second half. Serious work rate for 40 mins for the first time this year.
McCurry carried the front line. Canavan ripped them open multiple times. Sludden still important but his radar was slightly off. Meyler and Burns kept the pressure on Kildare throughout that second half. Most chipped in though with positive contributions - Kilpatrick, Kennedy, McKenna, Donaghy, Brennan, Richie and Monroes. This will stand to them all.
We seem to be slightly hesitant in front of the posts at the minute but I'm sure that will come in time.
Toughest run-in you can get now. The top 4 outside ourselves.
Quote from: ONeill on February 20, 2022, 08:31:52 PM
I thought that was a great workout for the panel. You could see that they had been roasted at halftime by the way they approached the second half. Serious work rate for 40 mins for the first time this year.
McCurry carried the front line. Canavan ripped them open multiple times. Sludden still important but his radar was slightly off. Meyler and Burns kept the pressure on Kildare throughout that second half. Most chipped in though with positive contributions - Kilpatrick, Kennedy, McKenna, Donaghy, Brennan, Richie and Monroes. This will stand to them all.
We seem to be slightly hesitant in front of the posts at the minute but I'm sure that will come in time.
Toughest run-in you can get now. The top 4 outside ourselves.
Them's the games you want! You'll learn the hard lessons from the good teams. And now this is the time of the year for learning those lessons.
If the results go Tyrone's way they might have one of the easiest last four games bar Donegal next weekend.
https://www.facebook.com/stephen.rafferty.77/videos/1141324076615559/
Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
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Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
Shocking stuff from the officials but even worse from RTE who had 24 hours to analyse it and get it right or what are they actually paid to do? It's not like it was even close to the line.
Quote from: pbat on February 20, 2022, 04:24:06 PM
Surely county players deserve league played from April - June and Championship June - September.
And what about the other 98% of players who play club football? Do they not count?
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https://www.facebook.com/stephen.rafferty.77/videos/1141324076615559/
Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
Shocking stuff from the officials but even worse from RTE who had 24 hours to analyse it and get it right or what are they actually paid to do? It's not like it was even close to the line.
Unbelievable comments he has made. As for the handholding when fouled, this has been going on for the best part of a decade. Even his beloved Kerry do it. Talk about nit-picking.
Good to see Allianz league Sunday showing the cheating by Armagh player to get McManus sent off. McGeeney / McKeever shithouse tactics haven't changed for 20 years
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https://www.facebook.com/stephen.rafferty.77/videos/1141324076615559/
Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
Shocking stuff from the officials but even worse from RTE who had 24 hours to analyse it and get it right or what are they actually paid to do? It's not like it was even close to the line.
Unbelievable comments he has made. As for the handholding when fouled, this has been going on for the best part of a decade. Even his beloved Kerry do it. Talk about nit-picking.
What game was he referring to about near hand tackling?
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Quote from: LCohen on February 20, 2022, 10:38:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/stephen.rafferty.77/videos/1141324076615559/
Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
Shocking stuff from the officials but even worse from RTE who had 24 hours to analyse it and get it right or what are they actually paid to do? It's not like it was even close to the line.
Unbelievable comments he has made. As for the handholding when fouled, this has been going on for the best part of a decade. Even his beloved Kerry do it. Talk about nit-picking.
What game was he referring to about near hand tackling?
Armagh v Monaghan - Build up to the penalty...Grugan had his shirt pulled but he was also holding the players hand when he went down. Whelan said it was smart play but Spillane was having a meltdown about it, like nobody has ever done it before.
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I'm nearly sure back to five and unlimited blood or concussion subs
Quote from: KickPass on February 20, 2022, 11:19:35 PM
Good to see Allianz league Sunday showing the cheating by Armagh player to get McManus sent off. McGeeney / McKeever shithouse tactics haven't changed for 20 years
Have you prove or evidence of this statement. Spillane made assumptions on video evidence that didn't show anything. Now I was at the game and have no idea what happened. On the otherhand if McManus gets his red overturned based on what was shown on RTE then Tyrone in particular will rightly feel aggrieved on how their players got treated after their game in Athletic Grounds.
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I'm nearly sure back to five and unlimited blood or concussion subs
Must the player taken off replace the player who came on for him?
From RTE:
Armagh: Blaine Hughes; Paddy Burns, Aidan Forker, Aaron McKay; Connaire Mackin, Niall Rowland, Jarly Og Burns; Ciaran Mackin, Stephen Sheridan; Jemar Hall, Rory Grugan, Tiernan Kelly (0-01); Jason Duffy (0-01), Rian O'Neill (0-02f), Aidan Nugent.
Subs: Conor Turbitt (1-01) for R O'Neill (27); Oisín O'Neill (0-01) for Sheridan (22), Stefan Campbell for Rowland; 14 Rian O'Neill for Duffy (45); Mark Shields for Hall (56); Niall Grimley (Madden) for Connaire Mackin (64).
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2022, 11:38:32 PM
Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I'm nearly sure back to five and unlimited blood or concussion subs
Must the player taken off replace the player who came on for him?
The player that comes off as a blood/concussion player can be replaced permanently and not part of the official 5 only subs. As you said he can only be replaced directly as the injured players replacement
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
When he came back on his lower leg was strapped up. Heard he had a bad gash on lower leg.
Reading back I have to laugh people sitting at home watching on tv criticising the quality of the Tyrone game. The game was play on a heavy wet mucky pitch with a 45 mph cross wind. I was at the match and all things considered found it a decent enough watch. Although it was low scoring there was plenty of goal chances and both teams went at each other.
Also a lot of the same people that criticised the game were bringing up the small crowd. Again these were the same people sitting at home behind a tv watching it. I do agree though that a lot of Tyrone supporters who in the past would have mocked Derry or Kerry support bases are the same people who are now very picky about when attending games. Kerry now actually have a larger support than Tyrone for most games.
I was happy enough with the Tyrone performance under the circumstances. Thought Burns, Munroe, Meyler, Kennedy, Canavan and McCurry had good games. Paudie McNulty did ok for his first game back and Nathan Donnelly worked hard. They'll have a decision or two to make next week now with the 4 boys back and if Mattie was available. McShane will be pushing hard to get back in as well.
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
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Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
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Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
That's an opinion but Armagh had just butchered 2 gilt edged goal chances just prior to McManus being sent off and there was an increased urgency about them in the second half. The kick outs and midfield is an ongoing issue but Armaghs midfield had plenty of success on Monaghans own kick out themselves in the second half as both sides struggled to deal with a swirling wind. A midfield of Mackin and Sheridan would struggle against top class opposition later in the year but Mackin is still a young player who will improve. Moving Kelly to midfield and bringing on Oisin O'Neill helped improve things and I don't understand how Grimley has fallen down the pecking order either.
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Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
Monaghan were never going to be able to keep that intensity and level of pressing going the whole match. If we're so easy to work out around kick outs, how come it took your management until the second half of that match to press up?
Monaghan would have won only McManus was sent off although unclear for what. The black card they received also very harsh. And they kicked a load of wides, probably could have won comfortably.
Donegal were terrible, far too negative as usual. Not a team that's going anywhere this season.
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Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
Monaghan were never going to be able to keep that intensity and level of pressing going the whole match. If we're so easy to work out around kick outs, how come it took your management until the second half of that match to press up?
You boys are quer and touchy - wait until yous get beaten this weekend - some complaining then.
We did eventually suss you out. I was slightly disappointed we didnt push up earlier if Im being honest. However the bigger picture for us is to be 100% flying for the cship.
Monaghan saw the success we had and done it from the beginning.
Monaghan would have won had McManus stayed on IMHO.
Are you happy with your kick outs when teams press up on you?
How has Armagh's bubble burst exactly? We are playing well, there is nothing wrong with wanting to win games.
It was a tight game Armagh needed. Monaghan are always tough to play against and we dragged ourselves back into it five points down. Both teams can feel frustrated about not getting a win. Monaghan highlighted a significant problem with our kick-outs that Dublin and Tyrone only exposed briefly which shows we have areas to work on. I would rather it was found out now rather than in the championship. There were a number of disruptions on the quick kick-out with the referee not allowing quick kick-outs and balls being kicked on to the field.
Too much soft frees given again this weekend. One tackle, I forget which match, defender attempted to slap the ball front on and it was given as a foul.
Several other fouls given for supposed high tackles that weren't high at all. Possible influence from rugby? And players lowering their heads going in to get those frees.
Not easy for referees really mind, with so many vague rules and being changed so often.
Quote from: full moon on February 21, 2022, 12:26:15 PM
Too much soft frees given again this weekend. One tackle, I forget which match, defender attempted to slap the ball front on and it was given as a foul.
Several other fouls given for supposed high tackles that weren't high at all. Possible influence from rugby? And players lowering their heads going in to get those frees.
Not easy for referees really mind, with so many vague rules and being changed so often.
At least there was no headlocks ;D
Saw a free given against McCurry when I went home last night.
Defender holding his arm so he cant handpass it and a free is given against him.
Didnt notice it at the time but shite like this would piss players off to no end
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The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
Monaghan were never going to be able to keep that intensity and level of pressing going the whole match. If we're so easy to work out around kick outs, how come it took your management until the second half of that match to press up?
You boys are quer and touchy - wait until yous get beaten this weekend - some complaining then.
We did eventually suss you out. I was slightly disappointed we didnt push up earlier if Im being honest. However the bigger picture for us is to be 100% flying for the cship.
Monaghan saw the success we had and done it from the beginning.
Monaghan would have won had McManus stayed on IMHO.
Are you happy with your kick outs when teams press up on you?
Show me any team that is happy when the opposition press up on them. This weekend, with the wind howling, the high press put keepers under even greater pressure.
The thing is, Armagh showed against Dublin that given their ability to kick the ball once they broke the cover, so it is dangerous to push up on them.
That being said, Armagh essentially played two real good halves of football in each of the first two games. They played well for about 15-20 mins against Monaghan with an extra man - sometimes 2 extra men. Apart from that, they haven't been great. So leaving the 5pts aside, performances have been patchy and there is loads to work on.
Kickouts are one of the key areas they are taking on water. I'd be more worried if there were leaks all over the boat with problems in every position - a few years ago, there were times you would look at an Armagh performance and you wouldn't know where to begin to start sorting things out. We definitely have moved on from that.
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The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
Monaghan were never going to be able to keep that intensity and level of pressing going the whole match. If we're so easy to work out around kick outs, how come it took your management until the second half of that match to press up?
You boys are quer and touchy - wait until yous get beaten this weekend - some complaining then.
We did eventually suss you out. I was slightly disappointed we didnt push up earlier if Im being honest. However the bigger picture for us is to be 100% flying for the cship.
Monaghan saw the success we had and done it from the beginning.
Monaghan would have won had McManus stayed on IMHO.
Are you happy with your kick outs when teams press up on you?
It's no different to any other side when pressed on their own kick out. The obvious solution then is to go long over the top of the press but you need to have the personnel then to win the ball in the middle third. Hughes continued to go short in the first half thus putting his team under pressure in horrible conditions. It helped that in the second half Geezer identified a few switches and personnel changes that improved matters as we needed more ball winners around the middle.
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Quote from: full moon on February 21, 2022, 12:26:15 PM
Too much soft frees given again this weekend. One tackle, I forget which match, defender attempted to slap the ball front on and it was given as a foul.
Several other fouls given for supposed high tackles that weren't high at all. Possible influence from rugby? And players lowering their heads going in to get those frees.
Not easy for referees really mind, with so many vague rules and being changed so often.
At least there was no headlocks ;D
Saw a free given against McCurry when I went home last night.
Defender holding his arm so he cant handpass it and a free is given against him.
Didnt notice it at the time but shite like this would piss players off to no end
And the bear hug from behind, player on the ball being severely restricted, cannot move or get rid of the ball, refs calling for over carrying. A head gear grinder
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The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
Monaghan were never going to be able to keep that intensity and level of pressing going the whole match. If we're so easy to work out around kick outs, how come it took your management until the second half of that match to press up?
You boys are quer and touchy - wait until yous get beaten this weekend - some complaining then.
We did eventually suss you out. I was slightly disappointed we didnt push up earlier if Im being honest. However the bigger picture for us is to be 100% flying for the cship.
Monaghan saw the success we had and done it from the beginning.
Monaghan would have won had McManus stayed on IMHO.
Are you happy with your kick outs when teams press up on you?
It's no different to any other side when pressed on their own kick out. The obvious solution then is to go long over the top of the press but you need to have the personnel then to win the ball in the middle third. Hughes continued to go short in the first half thus putting his team under pressure in horrible conditions. It helped that in the second half Geezer identified a few switches and personnel changes that improved matters as we needed more ball winners around the middle.
If the opponent wants to press, go long, vary it. Keep them guessing. We've enough good ball winners around midfield. Every week in this division is a great learning experience for this side.
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The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
If drawing a match which may well secure their division one status for another season is the 'bubble bursting' then we'll take that. Armagh underperformed badly for the first half but once they sorted out the midfield and kick out issues, they had enough chances to have won that match in the second half after dominating.
I wouldnt say you sorted out your kick out issues - Monaghan went down to 14 (and 13 men) which meant they could not press your kick out - this allowed you to go short.
15 v 15 and Monaghan win by 5 or 6
Monaghan were never going to be able to keep that intensity and level of pressing going the whole match. If we're so easy to work out around kick outs, how come it took your management until the second half of that match to press up?
You boys are quer and touchy - wait until yous get beaten this weekend - some complaining then.
We did eventually suss you out. I was slightly disappointed we didnt push up earlier if Im being honest. However the bigger picture for us is to be 100% flying for the cship.
Monaghan saw the success we had and done it from the beginning.
Monaghan would have won had McManus stayed on IMHO.
Are you happy with your kick outs when teams press up on you?
It's no different to any other side when pressed on their own kick out. The obvious solution then is to go long over the top of the press but you need to have the personnel then to win the ball in the middle third. Hughes continued to go short in the first half thus putting his team under pressure in horrible conditions. It helped that in the second half Geezer identified a few switches and personnel changes that improved matters as we needed more ball winners around the middle.
If the opponent wants to press, go long, vary it. Keep them guessing. We've enough good ball winners around midfield. Every week in this division is a great learning experience for this side.
Armagh showed a marked lack of movement during kickouts, whether this reflects the wet night or their training regime in the days previous. We have all seen the tactics where men are in the middle and half peel left and half right, but their marker doesn't know in advance which ones go which way.
The point about learning in Div 1 is very valid, whatever your plan is it gets well tested in contact with the enemy. Armagh especially need a robust plan for their half of the field, if that can be sorted (and it has improved) then there are forwards to get scores if the ball reaches them.
A good win for Mayo on Saturday night. I thought Diarmuid O'Connor was immense, my motm. If he could bring that form - which he has in him - to every game, perhaps we might be a bit closer to the elusive Sam.
Anyway, this is the league... I'm delighted that Orme is taking the chance to hold onto the jersey at least, Horan may chop and change once again next week so we won't know if he will start or not. I'm not convinced on Bryan Walsh, yes he scored a point but the game was out of Dublin's reach by then. He's had a few chances at this stage to be honest. I must admit I got it badly wrong on Jordan Flynn and the humble pie tastes quite nice actually :). He did very well the last night. I assume Ruane will be our number one midfielder this year so it's a decision for Horan to make regarding the other one.
I've seen mentioned that the game had no real intensity to it, I beg to differ, I thought Mayo brought very good intensity on Saturday and didn't give Dublin much change of any 50/50 balls. I was worried before the game that Dublin would want to lay down a marker, to not lose three games in a row in the league and to avenge last year's semifinal.
Just on Dublin, I thought Ross McGarry was unlucky to be substituted, one of the better forwards. Ciaran Kilkenny was probably their best player on the night.
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Good to see Allianz league Sunday showing the cheating by Armagh player to get McManus sent off. McGeeney / McKeever shithouse tactics haven't changed for 20 years
Got a clip that shows clearly what happened?
Zero protest from McManus which is normally a good indicator
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Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
Shocking stuff from the officials but even worse from RTE who had 24 hours to analyse it and get it right or what are they actually paid to do? It's not like it was even close to the line.
Unbelievable comments he has made. As for the handholding when fouled, this has been going on for the best part of a decade. Even his beloved Kerry do it. Talk about nit-picking.
What game was he referring to about near hand tackling?
Armagh v Monaghan - Build up to the penalty...Grugan had his shirt pulled but he was also holding the players hand when he went down. Whelan said it was smart play but Spillane was having a meltdown about it, like nobody has ever done it before.
I have no problem with pundits picking up on the arm tugging.
That said it was a penalty BUT NOT a black card and the card had a telling impact on the match.
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Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on February 21, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
Reading back I have to laugh people sitting at home watching on tv criticising the quality of the Tyrone game. The game was play on a heavy wet mucky pitch with a 45 mph cross wind. I was at the match and all things considered found it a decent enough watch. Although it was low scoring there was plenty of goal chances and both teams went at each other.
Also a lot of the same people that criticised the game were bringing up the small crowd. Again these were the same people sitting at home behind a tv watching it. I do agree though that a lot of Tyrone supporters who in the past would have mocked Derry or Kerry support bases are the same people who are now very picky about when attending games. Kerry now actually have a larger support than Tyrone for most games.
I was happy enough with the Tyrone performance under the circumstances. Thought Burns, Munroe, Meyler, Kennedy, Canavan and McCurry had good games. Paudie McNulty did ok for his first game back and Nathan Donnelly worked hard. They'll have a decision or two to make next week now with the 4 boys back and if Mattie was available. McShane will be pushing hard to get back in as well.
Fair enough comments.
Conditions were brutal. This weekend's games are very difficult to analyse. Tyrone will be happy on most fronts
Quote from: Taylor on February 21, 2022, 08:28:37 AM
The crowd wasnt great yesterday but those of us who were there were treated to an exciting game.
A lot of missed chances for both sides but the wind was very unpredictable and credit to both teams.
Good to get off the mark while plenty of players getting a run out - the serious work only starts now.
On the other games:
Bubble has burst in the Orchard County - push up on their kick outs and they are absolutely clueless. Same as the last number of years.
Mayo will give any team a game - look to be in great shape this year. The Dubs will probably go down but wont make a difference when AI comes around.
Donegal are so so negative and that has to come from the management. Kerry will be hard to stop in this league.
Burst bubble?
Dear oh Dear.
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Joanne Cantwell thinks this is inconclusive
Shocking stuff from the officials but even worse from RTE who had 24 hours to analyse it and get it right or what are they actually paid to do? It's not like it was even close to the line.
Unbelievable comments he has made. As for the handholding when fouled, this has been going on for the best part of a decade. Even his beloved Kerry do it. Talk about nit-picking.
What game was he referring to about near hand tackling?
Armagh v Monaghan - Build up to the penalty...Grugan had his shirt pulled but he was also holding the players hand when he went down. Whelan said it was smart play but Spillane was having a meltdown about it, like nobody has ever done it before.
it looked to be a bit of foul play from both, poor defending and a soft enough penalty. The footage of the McManus red card was unclear, I'd say he took a dig, gave one in return and the Armagh player hit the deck clutching his face, what to say about that? smart play or fair play?
In the interests of balance and objectivity :) yes, McCarran got the softest of frees, he wasn't fouled at all.
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Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
see Barry no longer doing the armagh game on sunday
Coldrick instead
if i had a choice would actually prefer Barry
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
Quote from: naka on February 23, 2022, 12:27:47 PM
see Barry no longer doing the armagh game on sunday
Coldrick instead
if i had a choice would actually prefer Barry
Would sooner let a dog with a whistle in the middle than Cassidy.
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
My bad. It was Jarly that was being supported walking to the changing rooms.
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
My bad. It was Jarly that was being supported walking to the changing rooms.
That's not good either.
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
My bad. It was Jarly that was being supported walking to the changing rooms.
That's not good either.
He was feeling sick, trained last night again though and is fine.
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
My bad. It was Jarly that was being supported walking to the changing rooms.
That's not good either.
He was feeling sick, trained last night again though and is fine.
Could of had a flashback of the end of the previous game were Petey threw him round like a rag doll
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
My bad. It was Jarly that was being supported walking to the changing rooms.
That's not good either.
He was feeling sick, trained last night again though and is fine.
Could of had a flashback of the end of the previous game were Petey threw him round like a rag doll
The obsession with Armagh continues...
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Quote from: GAABoardMod5 on February 20, 2022, 11:37:16 PM
Did Armagh use 6 subs, or are the rules changed again?
I heard on the commentary Armagh used a blood sub with O'Neill - do not know how accurate that was though although he went down the tunnel at the end being carried.
Don't think that last bit is true
Happened at the end of the game not when he initially went off
Turbitt when on for O'Neill as a blood sub, with O'Neill off for a good while getting treatment. O'Neill then came on for Duffy.
My bad. It was Jarly that was being supported walking to the changing rooms.
That's not good either.
He was feeling sick, trained last night again though and is fine.
Could of had a flashback of the end of the previous game were Petey threw him round like a rag doll
Could have picked something up from having the Tyrone team in his back pocket a few weeks back.
Maybe picked up his AI medal
Mayo (NFL Division One v Armagh, 27/2/2022):
1. Rob Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Lee Keegan (Westport)
3. Rory Brickenden (Westport)
4. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber|)
5. Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine)
6. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) (Captain)
7. Sam Callinan (Ballina Stephenites)
8. Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
9. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
10. Fionn McDonagh (Westport)
11. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
12. Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
13. Aiden Orme (Knockmore)
14. Frank Irwin (Ballina Stephenites)
15. Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Brendan Harrison (Aghamore), Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels), Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites), Conor O'Shea (Breaffy), Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Jack Carney (Kilmeena), Fergal Boland (Aghamore).
What a bench again...surely #Mayo4Sam!
They have so much quality this year and are able to ease lads back in too.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 24, 2022, 04:41:19 PM
What a bench again...surely #Mayo4Sam!
They have so much quality this year and are able to ease lads back in too.
Chuckling looking at this team definitely thinking armagh might only win by 3or 4 😉
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 24, 2022, 04:41:19 PM
What a bench again...surely #Mayo4Sam!
They have so much quality this year and are able to ease lads back in too.
Well you can say that if the non household name lads who are starting do the business, if they dont and all the cavalry have to come off the bench early then it doesn't look as good.
Most of them did well against Dublin but I think we are all still wondering where Dublin are at.
Except Pat of course, he knows the Kingdom are the standard everyone else needs to go to so the Mayo Armagh match is kinda irrelevant.
Is the Mayo vs Armagh match being televised? Don't see it listed on GAAGO
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 24, 2022, 08:15:28 PM
Is the Mayo vs Armagh match being televised? Don't see it listed on GAAGO
no
Kildare v Dublin is building up nicely. As I keep saying I don't expect to win, but we could beat them.
It's a massive jump in overall standards this year. Like if we were down in Division 2 we'd be glad to beat Roscommon, Galway and Clare - this year we are disappointed with losing to Tyrone above.
I know Tyrone had lads missing but Kildare only had 5 of the starters from the Leinster Final 2021, so there is a lot of change there too.
Dublin are doing so many silly things on the ball these days you would hope we can rattle them. It is mad how many basic errors they are making.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 25, 2022, 09:31:05 AM
Kildare v Dublin is building up nicely. As I keep saying I don't expect to win, but we could beat them.
It's a massive jump in overall standards this year. Like if we were down in Division 2 we'd be glad to beat Roscommon, Galway and Clare - this year we are disappointed with losing to Tyrone above.
I know Tyrone had lads missing but Kildare only had 5 of the starters from the Leinster Final 2021, so there is a lot of change there too.
Dublin are doing so many silly things on the ball these days you would hope we can rattle them. It is mad how many basic errors they are making.
Injuries, opt outs or new management trying something different?
I think Johnny Doyle has made a liar of me!! (he mentioned the number on Team Talk FB)
It seems there were 8 starters in common with some lads like Beirne and Conway coming on. That is also discounting Feely who wasn't around for either game.
One or two gone off, a few dropped but he has blooded new lads.
OK, so why ISN'T Mayo vs. Armagh being televised? It's a Div. 1 Top-of-the-League tussle, for goodness sake.
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 25, 2022, 08:21:35 PM
OK, so why ISN'T Mayo vs. Armagh being televised? It's a Div. 1 Top-of-the-League tussle, for goodness sake.
Because they haven't a clue? This time of year there are no club games to go to, not everyone can travel 2.5 hours to the game, and many Donegal and Tyrone people who had already attended their own game might watch it.
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 25, 2022, 08:21:35 PM
OK, so why ISN'T Mayo vs. Armagh being televised? It's a Div. 1 Top-of-the-League tussle, for goodness sake.
Because Armagh's shithouse tactics don't make for TV . They bring the game into disrepute. Evidenced by McManus's red card being overturned due to Forker's blatant cheating to get him sent off.
Quote from: KickPass on February 25, 2022, 09:10:42 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 25, 2022, 08:21:35 PM
OK, so why ISN'T Mayo vs. Armagh being televised? It's a Div. 1 Top-of-the-League tussle, for goodness sake.
Because Armagh's shithouse tactics don't make for TV . They bring the game into disrepute. Evidenced by McManus's red card being overturned due to Forker's blatant cheating to get him sent off.
Kickpass - Tyrone's were not overturned
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 25, 2022, 08:21:35 PM
OK, so why ISN'T Mayo vs. Armagh being televised? It's a Div. 1 Top-of-the-League tussle, for goodness sake.
Down with this sort of language, lol.
Seriously though, it does sound much better than a load of Fs.
What games are shown?
Will Murphy and Langan play tomorrow for Donegal?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 25, 2022, 11:18:23 PM
What games are shown?
Kildare v Dublin the only Div 1 game shown. The other two games TG4 are covering is hurling Galway v Wexford and Limerick v Cork.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2022, 01:33:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 25, 2022, 11:18:23 PM
What games are shown?
Kildare v Dublin the only Div 1 game shown. The other two games TG4 are covering is hurling Galway v Wexford and Limerick v Cork.
Donegal v Tyrone is on RTE2 / GAAGo
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 26, 2022, 12:18:23 AM
Will Murphy and Langan play tomorrow for Donegal?
No word on them being back for this game yet. Jamie Brennan and Caolan McGonagle are out too.
Bonner is trying out a lot of players, whether by choice or just due to all the injuries.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2022, 02:16:55 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2022, 01:33:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 25, 2022, 11:18:23 PM
What games are shown?
Kildare v Dublin the only Div 1 game shown. The other two games TG4 are covering is hurling Galway v Wexford and Limerick v Cork.
Donegal v Tyrone is on RTE2 / GAAGo
Yeah tonight, i listed the games that are live on Sunday.
7th against 8th is greater than 3rd against 2nd in the eyes of TG4.
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2022, 02:45:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2022, 02:16:55 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on February 26, 2022, 01:33:40 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 25, 2022, 11:18:23 PM
What games are shown?
Kildare v Dublin the only Div 1 game shown. The other two games TG4 are covering is hurling Galway v Wexford and Limerick v Cork.
Donegal v Tyrone is on RTE2 / GAAGo
Yeah tonight, i listed the games that are live on Sunday.
And the frustration is that there will be a complete broadcast unit at each of the 2 games not selected for GAAGo, feeding live footage to the RTE studio for the benefit of the pundits and for the customary savage edit to provide just 5 minutes of highlights.
A great goal chance missed already by Tyrone.
Red card tackle there
How was that a foul by McCole on Kilpatrick?
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2022, 07:43:24 PM
How was that a foul by McCole on Kilpatrick?
Never
Nice point from McKernan. Both them Fianna backs can take their points.
Horrible injury. Jesus.
Quote from: trileacman on February 26, 2022, 07:51:14 PM
Horrible injury. Jesus.
Considering the screams he let out and the slow mo it looked like a dislocated elbow?
Looks like bad arm injury, maybe break. Another excellent point from McKernan.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2022, 07:43:24 PM
How was that a foul by McCole on Kilpatrick?
Never was a foul. Surprised the ref gave it and Kilpatrick still held onto the ball
Boys playing well here agin the wind.
Donegal remind me of tyrone in 2018, playing a long ball into the smallest man in the pitch which was Mark Bradley. Why are they playing a long ball into mchugh
That PA system sounded like it was somewhere in Islamabad
At last a bit of f**king fight from Donegal.
This was heading for an utter humiliation.
Donegal have faded badly in recent yrs, when Murphy and, McBreartygo, they be in free fall.
Ryan mchugh for such a small man has to be one of the biggest mouths on the pitch lol
Tyrone dominated that half but only drawing at half time. Would have taken that though at start of 1st half with us playing into a strong breeze.
Bonner should be rearing up on them at half time. Lucky not to be five or six points down. Except for young O'Donnell and McFadden Ferry, they stood around admiring Tyrone, not laying a glove on them, for ten minutes after the injury.
Donegal fail to adapt and take the wind advantage for the second game in a row-Tyrone chose to play against the wind and would expect to press home their advantage in this second half
Impressive from Tyrone so far.
Lovely from the Dazzler
Great McCurry point again.
Donegal could win this, that'll be a turn up considering Donegal we're shit first
That 2nd half was pathetic from Tyrone, absolutely pathetic.
How the f**k we lost that. Jesus Christ.
That'll do nicely. 8 :D 8)
Strange game, thought Donegal were going to get a hiding midway through the first half.
Kicked ourselves out of it. Some terrible decision making.
Have never seen the breeze used as badly by 2 teams in my life!!
Donegal wanted that more when the game was in the melting pot so fair play to them. Tyrone were very poor that second half!
The wind never won a game, Tyrone chit the nest.
Impressive from Donegal in the 2nd half.
He should have just punched that ball over the bar at the end.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 26, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
Kicked ourselves out of it. Some terrible decision making.
Decision making was awful last week too.
Even a shit Donegal team are near impossible to beat in Ballybofey.
Quote from: bennydorano on February 26, 2022, 09:16:34 PM
Strange game, thought Donegal were going to get a hiding midway through the first half.
They were shocking in that middle 15 minutes of the first half. Too many lads hiding and few putting a tackle in.
But fair fucks, they showed a bit of balls and fought for it.
Massive two points, and a good shot of confidence and belief ahead of what's to come.
Quote from: screenexile on February 26, 2022, 09:17:42 PM
Have never seen the breeze used as badly by 2 teams in my life!!
Donegal wanted that more when the game was in the melting pot so fair play to them. Tyrone were very poor that second half!
Never thought I'd agree with Screenexile, but that is 100%.
Who's the auld boy sliding himself in beside Sean Cavanagh?😁
terrible loss considering Mayo . Kerry and Dublin still to play. Any reason why McShane is only getting 15 mins and being used as an impact sub? McKenna carrying a knock? Paul Donaghy tried hard but just isnt at that top level , same with Richie Donnolly , continue to get plenty of game time ...
After the round 1 draw lesson learnt on closing that match out by Donegal tonight.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2022, 09:23:42 PM
Who's the auld boy sliding himself in beside Sean Cavanagh?😁
He'd be a better pundit anyway.
Tyrone 1/5 at HT to win that game
Quote from: red hander on February 26, 2022, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 26, 2022, 09:17:42 PM
Have never seen the breeze used as badly by 2 teams in my life!!
Donegal wanted that more when the game was in the melting pot so fair play to them. Tyrone were very poor that second half!
Never thought I'd agree with Screenexile, but that is 100%.
Yeah they were poor but I think that's only their 4 game so I won't be worrying too much. It seemed the breeze died down from the first half
Think we will do well to get a point from the last 3 games tbh.
That was a very strange game. Tyrone totally dominant all over the field for majority of game against wind. Donegal never reached those heights second half but Tyrone chronic on the ball. Maybe Donegal deserve credit for nullifying Tyrone's best players in that second half.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 26, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
Kicked ourselves out of it. Some terrible decision making.
I dont agree, I think we have too many lads with big egos
I don't think the wind favoured shooting into that end as much as the pundits were saying. Mccurry usually delivers under pressure but had 3 bad misses near the end. I agree with the above poster, egos need to be left at home
Quote from: In hiding on February 26, 2022, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 26, 2022, 09:17:08 PM
Kicked ourselves out of it. Some terrible decision making.
I dont agree, I think we have too many lads with big egos
Egos or not, wrong decisions were made especially in the final third of the pitch. Conditions were bad, but that should be factored into deciding what shots to take on. It was not a night for low percentage shots.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2022, 09:23:42 PM
Who's the auld boy sliding himself in beside Sean Cavanagh?😁
The camera soon shifted away from him . Looked like 2 or 3 aul Donegal farmers looking to get themselves on Tv.
How Donaghy stayed on for an hour I'll never know. The game wasn't for him after 10 mins
Kildare excellent bet 5/2 tomorrow. A dublin buckeen was telling Con Callaghan gone hurling and no sign of McCarthy
Looking like Kerry Mayo league final. Mayo never fear the dubs but always seem to fill their togs against kingdom men. It took a replay for mayo to beat a poor kerry team in 2017. Kerry should have won the first only for Bryan Sheehan missing a free.
Tonight be a good eye opener for Armagh, Even a very poor Donegal team tonight is hard to beat.
Fair play to Donegal. They wanted it more in the end and deserved winners after some very poor decision making by Tyrone especially McCurry. Tried 3 pot shots in the end for glory.
Funnily I am not too worried about tyrones poor start. Hopefully (I may be completely wrong) this is a change in approach instead of trying to win every game in Jan and Feb they are targeting the championship instead.
Even with the poor start they should have beaten monaghan and could have beaten Donegal in the last 3 mins but poor decision making cost them.
Ultimately if they win nothing then fair enough we had a great year last year.
It's all about the championship, Tyrone won't worry too much
Tyrone never looked the same after the McNulty injury (hope he is okay?).
It's not the first time and won't be the last when something accidental like that effects the collective, it seems to happen more often in GAA (our own Tom Parsons v Galway).
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2022, 11:40:20 PM
Fair play to Donegal. They wanted it more in the end and deserved winners after some very poor decision making by Tyrone especially McCurry. Tried 3 pot shots in the end for glory.
Funnily I am not too worried about tyrones poor start. Hopefully (I may be completely wrong) this is a change in approach instead of trying to win every game in Jan and Feb they are targeting the championship instead.
Even with the poor start they should have beaten monaghan and could have beaten Donegal in the last 3 mins but poor decision making cost them.
Ultimately if they win nothing then fair enough we had a great year last year.
Same ol' delusional about should've beaten Monaghan.
You should have seen enough already about this Tyrone team to feel comfortable about the progress already made.
Progress made, aways to go, forget about last year.
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2022, 01:51:31 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2022, 11:40:20 PM
Fair play to Donegal. They wanted it more in the end and deserved winners after some very poor decision making by Tyrone especially McCurry. Tried 3 pot shots in the end for glory.
Funnily I am not too worried about tyrones poor start. Hopefully (I may be completely wrong) this is a change in approach instead of trying to win every game in Jan and Feb they are targeting the championship instead.
Even with the poor start they should have beaten monaghan and could have beaten Donegal in the last 3 mins but poor decision making cost them.
Ultimately if they win nothing then fair enough we had a great year last year.
Same ol' delusional about should've beaten Monaghan.
You should have seen enough already about this Tyrone team to feel comfortable about the progress already made.
Progress made, aways to go, forget about last year.
Not sure how it's delusional to say we should have beaten monaghan when a winning point was disallowed in the last few minutes of the game.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2022, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2022, 01:51:31 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2022, 11:40:20 PM
Fair play to Donegal. They wanted it more in the end and deserved winners after some very poor decision making by Tyrone especially McCurry. Tried 3 pot shots in the end for glory.
Funnily I am not too worried about tyrones poor start. Hopefully (I may be completely wrong) this is a change in approach instead of trying to win every game in Jan and Feb they are targeting the championship instead.
Even with the poor start they should have beaten monaghan and could have beaten Donegal in the last 3 mins but poor decision making cost them.
Ultimately if they win nothing then fair enough we had a great year last year.
Same ol' delusional about should've beaten Monaghan.
You should have seen enough already about this Tyrone team to feel comfortable about the progress already made.
Progress made, aways to go, forget about last year.
Not sure how it's delusional to say we should have beaten monaghan when a winning point was disallowed in the last few minutes of the game.
You're forgetting that Beggan/Boyle blew a real chance to win the game after that.
And is it not a foul to clobber the goalie with an elbow struck forcefully into the face after the ball was 'played'? I'm not clear on that one.
Apart from that, Tyrone's direct play out of defense, speed of attack, movement of the the forwards, their ability to to win possession against the odds and strike some wonderful scores, can only improve.
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2022, 12:23:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 27, 2022, 09:17:25 AM
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2022, 01:51:31 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 26, 2022, 11:40:20 PM
Fair play to Donegal. They wanted it more in the end and deserved winners after some very poor decision making by Tyrone especially McCurry. Tried 3 pot shots in the end for glory.
Funnily I am not too worried about tyrones poor start. Hopefully (I may be completely wrong) this is a change in approach instead of trying to win every game in Jan and Feb they are targeting the championship instead.
Even with the poor start they should have beaten monaghan and could have beaten Donegal in the last 3 mins but poor decision making cost them.
Ultimately if they win nothing then fair enough we had a great year last year.
Same ol' delusional about should've beaten Monaghan.
You should have seen enough already about this Tyrone team to feel comfortable about the progress already made.
Progress made, aways to go, forget about last year.
Not sure how it's delusional to say we should have beaten monaghan when a winning point was disallowed in the last few minutes of the game.
You're forgetting that Beggan/Boyle blew a real chance to win the game after that.
And is it not a foul to clobber the goalie with an elbow struck forcefully into the face after the ball was 'played'? I'm not clear on that one.
Apart from that, Tyrone's direct play out of defense, speed of attack, movement of the the forwards, their ability to to win possession against the odds and strike some wonderful scores, can only improve.
He challenged the goalie same as you would any outfield player. Even the Sunday game said the point should have stood.
Lots of room for improvement with the current set up and I am hoping it's geared towards the championship
They'll play better once the hard pitches and when the wind isn't an excuse
Armagh goal 20 seconds in
Radio stream anywhere?
Quote from: bennydorano on February 27, 2022, 02:12:55 PM
Radio stream anywhere?
https://www.midwestradio.ie/uncategorised-home/16808-listen
https://irishradiolive.com/midwest-radio-96-1-fm
Armagh in front at half time thanks to that early goal, 1-5 to 0-6
Armagh continuing their good run of form so far. Second half they will have the breeze but they will start with 14 men from the black card.
Kildare doing well against Dublin leading Dublin by 4. 43 minutes gone.
Hennelly injured in warmup it seems.
Starting to wonder, even with a great team over the yrs, would Dublin have won all those all Irelands if they didn't play in Croke Park all the time.
Dubs have been brutal up front
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:15 PM
Starting to wonder, even with a great team over the yrs, would Dublin have won all those all Irelands if they didn't play in Croke Park all the time.
Home games make no difference, the stats prove this! Besides everyone wants to play the Dubs in Croker, it's an honour!
Homes games make no difference. Maybe not in Mayo.
Depends were.
Donegal are nigh unbeatable in Ballybofey over the past decade, but they can't buy a win in Letterkenny.
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
Watching the Dubs getting deservedly beaten is still a thrill, 4 weeks in.
Well done Kildare.
Did Dean Rock just take a 45 from his hands near the end there? Was changing the wee mans nappy so may have missed something, but thought it was after Kildare keeper saved with his feet?
Quote from: Hound on February 27, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
When are they back?
You'll likely need to win the remaining three games.
One is against us in Croke Park, so that's one down, especially if we're still with Murphy, Langan, Brennan and so on. :)
Dean Rock took a 45 out of hands?
Quote from: Hound on February 27, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
Bugler very good I thought. The only one.
Quote from: on the sideline on February 27, 2022, 03:29:49 PM
Did Dean Rock just take a 45 from his hands near the end there? Was changing the wee mans nappy so may have missed something, but thought it was after Kildare keeper saved with his feet?
Ref was playing advantage for a free just inside the 40
Mayo just beat Armagh! Sounded a good close game. Both sides will have learned a lot from today!
Armagh blew that match that was there to be won. Mayo showed all their experience to win it in fairness to them.
Strong finish from Mayo coming from 3 down to win by 2. Armagh leading the whole match up until the 30th min or so. Was always going to be a tough match.
Quote from: Armamike on February 27, 2022, 03:46:37 PM
Strong finish from Mayo coming from 3 down to win by 2. Armagh leading the whole match up until the 30th min or so. Was always going to be a tough match.
Sounds like a typical Mayo win.
Listening on midwest and would have to say that Colm Boyle was excellent on co commentary.Normally, listening to Midwest you would have no clue who was playing well or how the game was going but Boyle was informative and it felt that I was watching the game myself
Kildare a well organised athletic team and if they could another scoring threat up front they would be on the top teams in the country.
Irrespective of whether Dublin are in transition or not, if they manage to get relegated I think Dessie Farrell will be under a lot of pressure to keep his job. Their fall from grace has been dramatic.
Well, it's DF's last year of his three year stint. So unless he himself decides to call it a day, he's there until the end of the championship. Someone else's turn thereafter you'd imagine.
Be interesting to see if the Dubs will focus on staying up or still look to 'build'. Still highly unlikely they'll get caught in Leinster imo.
What's the story with the traffic in Roscommon?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 27, 2022, 03:47:41 PM
Quote from: Armamike on February 27, 2022, 03:46:37 PM
Strong finish from Mayo coming from 3 down to win by 2. Armagh leading the whole match up until the 30th min or so. Was always going to be a tough match.
Sounds like a typical Mayo win.
and even gave them the traditional Mayo straight from the throw in 3 point lead
Jays if we keep this up all the 80s kings Ger Canning, Colm O'Rourke etc will have to switch the "they're never beaten" automatic sound board quote from Meath to Mayo.
Although of course, I forgot, creation of commentary cliches stopped for them lads in the mid 90s when they broke the cliche machines and cant afford a new one, all because of them bollixes not paying their license fee
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 27, 2022, 04:23:43 PM
Be interesting to see if the Dubs will focus on staying up or still look to 'build'. Still highly unlikely they'll get caught in Leinster imo.
Almost surely relegated now. May as well look to find a player or two in what's left.
Delighted with that win. Rode our luck at times but ground it out. Not often we beat the Dubs so we'll enjoy it.
Even better to see some opposition fans raging over the loss. 🤣
Quote from: mup on February 27, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Delighted with that win. Rode our luck at times but ground it out. Not often we beat the Dubs so we'll enjoy it.
Even better to see some opposition fans raging over the loss. 🤣
Kildare the better team and well deserved. Great hospitality in Newbridge. Enjoy your win
It's more the sound of the bells tolling for Monaghan than a wake up call.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 27, 2022, 05:18:56 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 27, 2022, 04:23:43 PM
Be interesting to see if the Dubs will focus on staying up or still look to 'build'. Still highly unlikely they'll get caught in Leinster imo.
Almost surely relegated now. May as well look to find a player or two in what's left.
Dublin can still easily win their last 3 games.
Not a hope.
Was the Kildare goal a good goal, as in can a player simply punch a loose ball into the net?
Good game and the better team won it. That said Armagh can take a lot of positives from the game for giving Mayo a tough game. Armagh will need a strategy for when teams push up both on the kick off and in open play as Armagh struggle. They will also need to develop a killer instinct
There's not much between the top teams this year and 7 or 8 teams will no doubt fancy their chances.
Quote from: Main Street on February 27, 2022, 05:59:31 PM
Was the Kildare goal a good goal, as in can a player simply punch a loose ball into the net?
Yep, so long as it's a clean strike.
Quote from: David McKeown on February 27, 2022, 06:14:10 PM
Good game and the better team won it. That said Armagh can take a lot of positives from the game for giving Mayo a tough game. Armagh will need a strategy for when teams push up both on the kick off and in open play as Armagh struggle. They will also need to develop a killer instinct
There's not much between the top teams this year and 7 or 8 teams will no doubt fancy their chances.
There's not much between the top teams in the league, how that pans out come championship is different
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 27, 2022, 05:59:24 PM
Not a hope.
If they beat Tyrone and they have a decent chance of doing so then they will also win the other 2 games against Donegal and Monaghan.
Quote from: Hound on February 27, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
Will any of those be back for the 13th in Omagh (asking for a friend)? ;)
Quote from: clarshack on February 27, 2022, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 27, 2022, 05:59:24 PM
Not a hope.
If they beat Tyrone and they have a decent chance of doing so then they will also win the other 2 games against Donegal and Monaghan.
Unless they've been keeping a master plan under wraps, this Dublin team has very little chance of a result against Tyrone. Donegal, maybe, if they play like they played against Kerry. Monaghan in Clones...can't see a result there either.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 27, 2022, 04:23:43 PM
Be interesting to see if the Dubs will focus on staying up or still look to 'build'. Still highly unlikely they'll get caught in Leinster imo.
The opportunity is there for Kildare to win Leinster this summer and should take great confidence from that win today.
Quote from: Hound on February 27, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
What's the story with those 3 & McCarthy?
Quote from: toby47 on February 27, 2022, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 27, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
What's the story with those 3 & McCarthy?
Injured
It would be truly unfortunate for Monaghan to be relegated finally along with the Dubs .
Just watching league Sunday. Jaysus Armagh just can't shake off that bottlers tag. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again :o
Watching the highlights there Kerry really punished Rory Beggan roaming out the field. What's going on with the Newbridge pitch, did they green spray paint the muddy areas?
Hard to believe Kildare hadn't beat Dublin in 22yrs. Couldn't understand the big celebrations after the match at the time for a league game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
Hard to believe Kildare hadn't beat Dublin in 22yrs. Couldn't understand the big celebrations after the match at the time for a league game.
Perhaps you're forgetting Kildare made the fatal mistake of appointing bottler McGeeney as manager when they were on the up?
Quote from: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
Hard to believe Kildare hadn't beat Dublin in 22yrs. Couldn't understand the big celebrations after the match at the time for a league game.
Perhaps you're forgetting Kildare made the fatal mistake of appointing bottler McGeeney as manager when they were on the up?
What is your obsession with Armagh?
Quote from: Solo_run on February 28, 2022, 12:25:21 AM
Quote from: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
Hard to believe Kildare hadn't beat Dublin in 22yrs. Couldn't understand the big celebrations after the match at the time for a league game.
Perhaps you're forgetting Kildare made the fatal mistake of appointing bottler McGeeney as manager when they were on the up?
What is your obsession with Armagh?
Ah christ, don't be feeding the imbecile
Backfired on Monaghan bringing Kerry to Inniskeen the pitch looked in great condition a heavier Clones pitch would have slowed Kerry down a bit. In saying that they were really outplayed and of course the goalkeeper caught in no mans land several times didn't help either.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 27, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 27, 2022, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
Will any of those be back for the 13th in Omagh (asking for a friend)? ;)
The Dubs don't give injury status announcements and the media don't seem to ask direct questions about Con etc in the pre or post match interviews. Dessie did say there would be players returning for the next match, so I'd read that as at least 2 of Murchin, McCarthy, Con, Costello, Small.
Quote from: Cavan19 on February 28, 2022, 08:16:30 AM
of course the goalkeeper caught in no mans land several times didn't help either.
Hopefully this wandering goalie virus can be put to an end soon.
Our buck and the Down lad were at ot big time Saturday night.
Beggan will be a bit sore from that alright. I only saw highlights but looked like he was badly caught out.
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
Quote from: KickPass on February 28, 2022, 12:15:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 27, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
Hard to believe Kildare hadn't beat Dublin in 22yrs. Couldn't understand the big celebrations after the match at the time for a league game.
Perhaps you're forgetting Kildare made the fatal mistake of appointing bottler McGeeney as manager when they were on the up?
On the up?
Check the records and come back on here and admit you are wrong.
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
Beggan was very nearly caught out in the Ulster Final last year. It was only a matter of time.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
It's a ridiculous tactic, the pay off is very little and the risks are you concede a goal or a defender has to take a black or yellow to stop an attack. Lost kilmacud an all Ireland final a few weeks ago.
Was doing an Ulster club game yesterday in Armagh, the Monaghan team that was playing used their goalkeeper a lot, now he never really passed the 45 but was effective enough especially against the wind. Must be the rage in Monaghan
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
Maybe the person who would be covering back should be the one out the field looking for the ball and leave the goalkeeper in goals.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
What's the point of it then, if you're going to drop somebody back anyway? It just creates unneccessary panic when the goalie gets caught out.
Quote from: Cavan19 on February 28, 2022, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
Maybe the person who would be covering back should be the one out the field looking for the ball and leave the goalkeeper in goals.
I think it's great fun and adds to the entertainment. But I wouldn't want to see the Dubs do it too much.
The one time the Kildare keeper got caught against us, there was a defender in the goals covering, but my thoughts at the time were exactly as you outlined - surely they'd be better with the defender driving up the field and the keeper covering the goal!
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
What's the point of it then, if you're going to drop somebody back anyway? It just creates unneccessary panic when the goalie gets caught out.
I think the idea is to have a runner who's not automatically marked up, as in he's not got a direct opponent, giving the team an option going forward. He has got away with it so far but it is only a matter of time before someone closes him down and he looks like a goalie out the field. It's pointless if a player is having to cover all the time but at times it could give a defender a break while the keeper carries forward.
I think Morgan plays the role better, he doesn't take as many risks as others but does give the defence an outlet and imho he's better on the ball when he has it.
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
I dont mind Morgan coming out at all - always looks very assured & composed.
As OG says that would come from playing outfield.
Rafferty for Amragh set up a point last night going by the highlights.
Beggan just doesnt seem as comfortable on the ball one of the goals was because Hughes lost the ball I think.
Quote from: bigarsedkeeper on February 28, 2022, 12:16:04 PM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on February 28, 2022, 11:00:55 AM
Quote from: Armamike on February 28, 2022, 10:51:06 AM
Quote from: timmyot501 on February 28, 2022, 10:34:42 AM
It had to happen sometime. Beggan would get caught out. But it was the way it happened that he will be most sore about. Hughes passed a half hearted ball to him and he waited on it. Kerry nipped in and how Duffy was left one on one with Clifford with the whole half of the pitch wide open was criminal. As hard as he tried there was only going to be one result.
It's been waiting to happen. I'm not sure Monaghan or other teams will be just as keen to push their goalie as high up the pitch in a championship game. It's one thing the goalie playing as a sweeper but to see him solo up the pitch or look for a pass in the half forward line is a bit crazy.
It's not really that crazy if someone else covers back.
What's the point of it then, if you're going to drop somebody back anyway? It just creates unneccessary panic when the goalie gets caught out.
I think the idea is to have a runner who's not automatically marked up, as in he's not got a direct opponent, giving the team an option going forward. He has got away with it so far but it is only a matter of time before someone closes him down and he looks like a goalie out the field. It's pointless if a player is having to cover all the time but at times it could give a defender a break while the keeper carries forward.
I think Morgan plays the role better, he doesn't take as many risks as others but does give the defence an outlet and imho he's better on the ball when he has it.
Both Morgan and Beggan are regularly out ahead of the defenders who are not even marking anyone as the opposition have 15 in there own half looking for the ball. I would agree that Morgan is better on the ball.
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
Beggan really needs to cut out or rein back on the roaming up the pitch as the risk outweighs the reward. He arguably cost his side all 3 goals yesterday. The first goal he was either too slow coming off his line or simply wasn't brave enough, the second was his error in waiting for the ball and getting caught upfield whilst the third he was lobbed by O'Shea from about 25 metres. He can be thankful it only happened in a League match and one they probably wouldn't have won regardless.
The keeper was fine for his first game .
Definitely two points lost with silly turnovers by Armagh.
The free at the end by Rian was one that should have been worked in to closer in front of the goals .
All in all though a good game of football .
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
First post, welcome Blaine.
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I wouldn't say they were awful but it does raise questions as to how much trust Geezer has in Hughes now when he is willing to put an outfield player in before him. Hughes has progressed steadily over the last few years but he had a difficult day out against Monaghan although conditions were horrendous on the night and Monaghan really squeezed up. I would have stuck with Hughes and allow him to learn from the mistakes of that match. It has put unnecessary pressure onto the Armagh keeper now who will be under increased scrutiny in the next match.
Quote from: clubman21 on February 28, 2022, 02:45:50 PM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
First post, welcome Blaine.
::)
Quote from: yellowcard on February 28, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I wouldn't say they were awful but it does raise questions as to how much trust Geezer has in Hughes now when he is willing to put an outfield player in before him. Hughes has progressed steadily over the last few years but he had a difficult day out against Monaghan although conditions were horrendous on the night and Monaghan really squeezed up. I would have stuck with Hughes and allow him to learn from the mistakes of that match. It has put unnecessary pressure onto the Armagh keeper now who will be under increased scrutiny in the next match.
I would disagree kick outs are a catalyst for a teams performance, Rafferty was slow and very indecisive, surprised Goldrick never hopped a few balls, I didn't have much confidence in him outfield either other than giving a free away. It got to the stage at the end the Armagh Players wouldn't pass to him when he was running out I saw them turning and looking for a fellow orange jersey instead. Morgan plays a fly keeper very well, Beggan now has he head up his own arse thinking he is better than he is outfield, Rafferty was a good forward a keeper we don't know as he hadn't a shot to save, a fly keeper he definitely aint.
Quote from: Hound on February 28, 2022, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on February 27, 2022, 06:57:07 PM
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Quote from: J70 on February 27, 2022, 03:07:34 PM
Dubs have been brutal up front
Totally.
We are missing 3 or our 4 best from for the FF line (Con, Costello and Small). The 4th, Rock, has been abysmal today and the other lads getting a run in the FF line are very meh.
Will any of those be back for the 13th in Omagh (asking for a friend)? ;)
The Dubs don't give injury status announcements and the media don't seem to ask direct questions about Con etc in the pre or post match interviews. Dessie did say there would be players returning for the next match, so I'd read that as at least 2 of Murchin, McCarthy, Con, Costello, Small.
Sláinte, and fair enough.
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 28, 2022, 02:47:49 PM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on February 28, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on February 28, 2022, 12:54:35 PM
Morgan being an outfield player for his club certainly makes him more confident on the ball.
How'd Armagh posters feel Ethan Rafferty went in goals. Hard to get a flavour from highlights alone.
Was at the game in Hyde Park. Mayo never threatened on goal, nor have many teams against Armagh in the first 4 games of this league (with exception of a late Dublin goal), so Rafferty wasn't really tested from a pure goal keeping perspective. He did however look very comfortable outfield as expected, and did add an extra dimension to Armagh's play. He directly set up one score via Nugent that I thought had us on the road to winning it at that stage. His kick-outs are longer than Blaine Hughes's as well, so added an extra dimension there too. All in all, a step forward in my view.
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I wouldn't say they were awful but it does raise questions as to how much trust Geezer has in Hughes now when he is willing to put an outfield player in before him. Hughes has progressed steadily over the last few years but he had a difficult day out against Monaghan although conditions were horrendous on the night and Monaghan really squeezed up. I would have stuck with Hughes and allow him to learn from the mistakes of that match. It has put unnecessary pressure onto the Armagh keeper now who will be under increased scrutiny in the next match.
I would disagree kick outs are a catalyst for a teams performance, Rafferty was slow and very indecisive, surprised Goldrick never hopped a few balls, I didn't have much confidence in him outfield either other than giving a free away. It got to the stage at the end the Armagh Players wouldn't pass to him when he was running out I saw them turning and looking for a fellow orange jersey instead. Morgan plays a fly keeper very well, Beggan now has he head up his own arse thinking he is better than he is outfield, Rafferty was a good forward a keeper we don't know as he hadn't a shot to save, a fly keeper he definitely aint.
I don't agree with the decision to try and convert a big, powerful midfield/forward into a goalkeeper and play him in a League match when our safety is not yet guaranteed. If we were safe from relegation then fine but he didn't play McKenna Cup so why then play him in his first game in goal in a division one League match. If we get beaten by Kildare we are sucked back into a relegation battle with two difficult games remaining.
Saw a combined League table for all Divisions. Dublin rock bottom as the only county on 0 points. Despite all the talk of their forwards being poor, what struck me was their scores conceded. They're on 71 points conceded after 4 games, Kerry lead the way in this category in Div 1 with 46 points conceded, all other counties in the Division in the 50's. While defenders aren't necessarily solely at fault for this, it is something to look and question if a complete turnaround could be expected if/when a couple forwards come back into the side.
Defence was a bit better this past day with Johnny Cooper starting. With Murchan and McCarthy (hopefully) to come back, I would expect the defence to improve quite a bit come summer. Bench is an issue though, and Cooper and McCarthy won't be around the squad for much longer, but this year should be OK.
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 28, 2022, 05:22:05 PM
Saw a combined League table for all Divisions. Dublin rock bottom as the only county on 0 points. Despite all the talk of their forwards being poor, what struck me was their scores conceded. They're on 71 points conceded after 4 games, Kerry lead the way in this category in Div 1 with 46 points conceded, all other counties in the Division in the 50's. While defenders aren't necessarily solely at fault for this, it is something to look and question if a complete turnaround could be expected if/when a couple forwards come back into the side.
I don't think it will, it is fairly clear that a rot has set in. The older players have won it all and will struggle to find fresh motivation to get back to the top of the hill unless they are able to challenge to win AI titles. I think many of their supporters are slightly bored of winning too and a relegation followed by a few years in the doldrums will do them and the game as a whole no harm. What nobody seen coming was the rapid fall from grace. It was as though they had teams psychologically beaten before a ball was thrown in up until 2020 but now that has evaporated completely.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 28, 2022, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on February 28, 2022, 05:22:05 PM
Saw a combined League table for all Divisions. Dublin rock bottom as the only county on 0 points. Despite all the talk of their forwards being poor, what struck me was their scores conceded. They're on 71 points conceded after 4 games, Kerry lead the way in this category in Div 1 with 46 points conceded, all other counties in the Division in the 50's. While defenders aren't necessarily solely at fault for this, it is something to look and question if a complete turnaround could be expected if/when a couple forwards come back into the side.
I don't think it will, it is fairly clear that a rot has set in. The older players have won it all and will struggle to find fresh motivation to get back to the top of the hill unless they are able to challenge to win AI titles. I think many of their supporters are slightly bored of winning too and a relegation followed by a few years in the doldrums will do them and the game as a whole no harm. What nobody seen coming was the rapid fall from grace. It was as though they had teams psychologically beaten before a ball was thrown in up until 2020 but now that has evaporated completely.
I don't think it's anything to do with motivation. Their new players are just nowhere near as good as the players they're replacing. Look at the quality they've lost from that dominant team. McCaffrey, Mannion, McAuley, Connolly, Flynn, McMahon etc. Look at the bench they had in that team. They also had a superb manager who had them impeccably organised. They're a complete shambles at the moment and don't seem to have a clue as to how to break down defences. There's no penetration there at all. Maybe when Ocallaghan and costello come back it'll help but even then they're just too far away at the moment.
Quote from: yellowcard on February 28, 2022, 05:42:49 PM
I don't think it will, it is fairly clear that a rot has set in. The older players have won it all and will struggle to find fresh motivation to get back to the top of the hill unless they are able to challenge to win AI titles. I think many of their supporters are slightly bored of winning too and a relegation followed by a few years in the doldrums will do them and the game as a whole no harm. What nobody seen coming was the rapid fall from grace. It was as though they had teams psychologically beaten before a ball was thrown in up until 2020 but now that has evaporated completely.
Even if Dublin get relegated the odds of them having a few years in the doldrums is vanishingly remote.
Odds are strong that they will bounce back up to Division 1 straight away if they do get relegated.
Given the strength of the other teams in Leinster, under the new championship structure they are pretty much guaranteed to be at worst the 2nd seed as provincial loser and much more likely be 1st seed for the Sam Maguire group stages. Over the next 2/3 years there will be bucketloads of games to develop their younger players.
Dublin are far more likely to follow the example of the Kerry and Kilkenny four in a row teams and pick up more All-Irelands than collapse into All-Ireland irrelevancy.
Once Dessie gets the bullet I think there will be a sharp, quick and marked improvement in matters.
The next manager doesn't need to be Gavin standard to turn things around - he just needs to be relatively competent.
Right now I would have Dublin favourites to win whatever division they are in next year and the All-Ireland.
Quote from: twohands!!! on February 28, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on February 28, 2022, 05:42:49 PM
I don't think it will, it is fairly clear that a rot has set in. The older players have won it all and will struggle to find fresh motivation to get back to the top of the hill unless they are able to challenge to win AI titles. I think many of their supporters are slightly bored of winning too and a relegation followed by a few years in the doldrums will do them and the game as a whole no harm. What nobody seen coming was the rapid fall from grace. It was as though they had teams psychologically beaten before a ball was thrown in up until 2020 but now that has evaporated completely.
Even if Dublin get relegated the odds of them having a few years in the doldrums is vanishingly remote.
Odds are strong that they will bounce back up to Division 1 straight away if they do get relegated.
Given the strength of the other teams in Leinster, under the new championship structure they are pretty much guaranteed to be at worst the 2nd seed as provincial loser and much more likely be 1st seed for the Sam Maguire group stages. Over the next 2/3 years there will be bucketloads of games to develop their younger players.
Dublin are far more likely to follow the example of the Kerry and Kilkenny four in a row teams and pick up more All-Irelands than collapse into All-Ireland irrelevancy.
Once Dessie gets the bullet I think there will be a sharp, quick and marked improvement in matters.
The next manager doesn't need to be Gavin standard to turn things around - he just needs to be relatively competent.
Right now I would have Dublin favourites to win whatever division they are in next year and the All-Ireland.
Personally I feel as though Kerry are set to dominate for the next few years. They have been the best side in the country for the last 2 years without winning an AI title but I think that is about to change. Dublin most certainly do not have the calibre of player that Kerry have coming through. I'd say it's more likely that Dublin return to their pre 2011 level for the next few seasons. They will lose another few players to retirement after this season as well.
I'll not win any awards for saying this, but Mayo are very strong too. Very much changed, younger, stronger squad there now
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 28, 2022, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 27, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Delighted with that win. Rode our luck at times but ground it out. Not often we beat the Dubs so we'll enjoy it.
Even better to see some opposition fans raging over the loss. 🤣
I thought you didnt go to intercounty games? You have a dirty horn for the dubs going by all your posts. Why not enjoy the victory instead of your rage for the jackeens 🤣🤣🤣
I don't go to intercounty games. Where did I say I was there?
The Dubs are one of our biggest rivals who we haven't beaten in 22 years. So surely I'm entitled to my day in the sun. It might be another 22 years before we beat them again. I am enjoying the victory very much so I'm not raging at all. The opposite in fact.
Thank you for taking the time to ask though.
Quote from: mup on March 01, 2022, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 28, 2022, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 27, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Delighted with that win. Rode our luck at times but ground it out. Not often we beat the Dubs so we'll enjoy it.
Even better to see some opposition fans raging over the loss. 🤣
I thought you didnt go to intercounty games? You have a dirty horn for the dubs going by all your posts. Why not enjoy the victory instead of your rage for the jackeens 🤣🤣🤣
I don't go to intercounty games. Where did I say I was there?
The Dubs are one of our biggest rivals who we haven't beaten in 22 years. So surely I'm entitled to my day in the sun. It might be another 22 years before we beat them again. I am enjoying the victory very much so I'm not raging at all. The opposite in fact.
Thank you for taking the time to ask though.
People getting very precious, giving out about Kildare celebrating a first win over Dublin in 22 years.
I remember Tyrone celebrating their win over Armagh in the 2005 semi-final like they won the All-Ireland.
Didn't stop them winning the All-Ireland.
Not saying Kildare will win the All-Ireland :) , but whatever happens to them after this will have nothing to do with how they reacted to beating Dublin.
it breaks that invincible aura for them so if they play in the championship they will maybe have a bit more belief about them. It doesn't mean they'll win in the championship but that win in the league has a lot of significance.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 01, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
it breaks that invincible aura for them so if they play in the championship they will maybe have a bit more belief about them. It doesn't mean they'll win in the championship but that win in the league has a lot of significance.
Correct. This wins do have significance. They build belief and confidence.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 01, 2022, 11:53:04 AM
Quote from: mup on March 01, 2022, 11:12:50 AM
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 28, 2022, 08:49:59 PM
Quote from: mup on February 27, 2022, 05:40:58 PM
Delighted with that win. Rode our luck at times but ground it out. Not often we beat the Dubs so we'll enjoy it.
Even better to see some opposition fans raging over the loss. 🤣
I thought you didnt go to intercounty games? You have a dirty horn for the dubs going by all your posts. Why not enjoy the victory instead of your rage for the jackeens 🤣🤣🤣
I don't go to intercounty games. Where did I say I was there?
The Dubs are one of our biggest rivals who we haven't beaten in 22 years. So surely I'm entitled to my day in the sun. It might be another 22 years before we beat them again. I am enjoying the victory very much so I'm not raging at all. The opposite in fact.
Thank you for taking the time to ask though.
People getting very precious, giving out about Kildare celebrating a first win over Dublin in 22 years.
I remember Tyrone celebrating their win over Armagh in the 2005 semi-final like they won the All-Ireland.
Didn't stop them winning the All-Ireland.
Not saying Kildare will win the All-Ireland :) , but whatever happens to them after this will have nothing to do with how they reacted to beating Dublin.
It definitely felt like it alright. Along with coming back against Armagh first round in Omagh in 89, Filleting and polishing off the great Derry team in the 95 Ulster semi final and that game particularly with the robbed Ulster win, never mind the 4 All Ireland wins there have been some great days for Tyrone supporters in the last 35 years.
What's the point if you can't celebrate.
And you can sure it was only the league but Dublin needed to win that as much as Kildare did, so it wasn't like they were half-arsing it. It was a tough game and, as was said, their aura is eroding so we should not fear them at all.
That being said they have lots of class players to turn it all around but not as many as they used to. Like Kildare still have to get a full run of games from Feely. Plus you have Eoin Doyle, Darragh Kirwan, David Hyland (former captain) and Fergal Conway all on the bench. Lads who would stroll onto the team other years.
It would be amazing to stay up, but the division is so tight I don't see anyone taking the foot off the throttle.
very odd what's happened to Dublin . up to about 2 years ago the talk was that the second best team in Ireland was the dublin Subs and they looked it anytime they played . now Dublins only chance is if all the injured players comeback and Dublin are in such a downward spiral im not sure that would even help.
no I think they need a kick start to get going whether that to convince MAnnion and Mccaffery and a few more of the younger retirees back or the easier option of Sacking dessie im not sure,
but i dont believe the it'll be alright on the night theory about the championship that is going around.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 01, 2022, 01:32:29 PM
What's the point if you can't celebrate.
And you can sure it was only the league but Dublin needed to win that as much as Kildare did, so it wasn't like they were half-arsing it. It was a tough game and, as was said, their aura is eroding so we should not fear them at all.
That being said they have lots of class players to turn it all around but not as many as they used to. Like Kildare still have to get a full run of games from Feely. Plus you have Eoin Doyle, Darragh Kirwan, David Hyland (former captain) and Fergal Conway all on the bench. Lads who would stroll onto the team other years.
It would be amazing to stay up, but the division is so tight I don't see anyone taking the foot off the throttle.
Am i right in saying 6 of Kildares 2018 U20 All Ireland winners started on Sunday and a 7th was brought off the bench. Under this management that group of players are given more of a chance to impress than the last management and so far it's reaping its benefits.
Dublin will likely lose Cooper, McCarthy, Fitzsimmons and possibly Dean Rock to retirement at the end of this season. They will be left with around three or four established players from their six in a row squad remaining. No county can sustain that level of loss without adequate replacements. It was always going to be a difficult job to take on after Jim Gavin but the transition is going to take a few years and Dessie Farrell can be grateful that he at least managed to win an AI title with them. Whether he lasts out this season or not, the next manager will have a complete rebuild on his hands.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 01, 2022, 02:47:25 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 01, 2022, 01:32:29 PM
What's the point if you can't celebrate.
And you can sure it was only the league but Dublin needed to win that as much as Kildare did, so it wasn't like they were half-arsing it. It was a tough game and, as was said, their aura is eroding so we should not fear them at all.
That being said they have lots of class players to turn it all around but not as many as they used to. Like Kildare still have to get a full run of games from Feely. Plus you have Eoin Doyle, Darragh Kirwan, David Hyland (former captain) and Fergal Conway all on the bench. Lads who would stroll onto the team other years.
It would be amazing to stay up, but the division is so tight I don't see anyone taking the foot off the throttle.
Am i right in saying 6 of Kildares 2018 U20 All Ireland winners started on Sunday and a 7th was brought off the bench. Under this management that group of players are given more of a chance to impress than the last management and so far it's reaping its benefits.
Yes that is correct. Didn't realise myself till now.
No guarantees with anything but the current management won't be found wanting in the attitude stakes.
Talk of the Dubs retirees is right. And those few mentioned won't hang around much longer.
Like Feely coming on was a massive boost to us and their bench hadn't that kind of strenght in depth.
Must watch back the game but his mark was awesome late on - serious hang time!
There's a fair chance Kildare and Dublin will be the only 2 Leinster teams in the the top 2 divisions next year!!
I'd still expect one of Laois or Westmeath to get promoted from division 3.
Big difference Tyrone beating Armagh after a previous early loss to make an all Ireland final and beating Dublin team beat in the 4 previous games nfl/ championship games.
https://twitter.com/GAA__JOE/status/1498603754320498691
Wouldn't like to be given the task to track Paddy Durcan. The Hyde Park pitch in great shape when you consider the amount of rain that fell in the west the last couple of weeks.
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Tommytom Carr and Johntan Maughan both abandoned Ros in the month of March.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 01, 2022, 06:39:45 PM
Tommytom Carr and Johntan Maughan both abandoned Ros in the month of March.
Abandoned or jumped before they were pushed? :D
Jumped in the face of mounting criticism ....
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Dom Corrigan got heaved in Sligo after losing to Tipp and Waterford at the start of the 2006 league.
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Mickey Whelan left in February 98 and was replaced by Tommy Carr.
I wouldn't sack Dessie but I say will be gone at end of year. The reality is we in transition. 31 players used in league . 48 used between league and OBC. We lost 2 u20 finals in 2019 and 20. I would imagine them teams will backbone senior team in coming years. We need long term replacements for Mick Fitz, Cooper, a midfield partner for Fenton and more scoring options at wing and corner forward. Some of the players are not up to it but unfortunately there only options Dessie has. Yes there is flaws with Dessie and backroom team but we have lost 15/16 players from 6 in a row squad. Some were on a once in generation players and others were huge leaders who maintained the high standards for last 12 years on and off the pitch.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on March 01, 2022, 09:55:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Dom Corrigan got heaved in Sligo after losing to Tipp and Waterford at the start of the 2006 league.
Waterford not so much, but over the years many's the decent team were beaten by Tipp.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 01, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Mickey Whelan left in February 98 and was replaced by Tommy Carr.
I wouldn't sack Dessie but I say will be gone at end of year. The reality is we in transition. 31 players used in league . 48 used between league and OBC. We lost 2 u20 finals in 2019 and 20. I would imagine them teams will backbone senior team in coming years. We need long term replacements for Mick Fitz, Cooper, a midfield partner for Fenton and more scoring options at wing and corner forward. Some of the players are not up to it but unfortunately there only options Dessie has. Yes there is flaws with Dessie and backroom team but we have lost 15/16 players from 6 in a row squad. Some were on a once in generation players and others were huge leaders who maintained the high standards for last 12 years on and off the pitch.
There was quite a bit of drama with Bailey and Dublin County sacking Tom Carr in 2001. I seem to recall an image of Dessie himself trying to look through a window to see what was going on, or is my mind playing tricks.
Quote from: weareros on March 01, 2022, 11:05:09 PM
Quote from: Gael85 on March 01, 2022, 10:51:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
Mickey Whelan left in February 98 and was replaced by Tommy Carr.
I wouldn't sack Dessie but I say will be gone at end of year. The reality is we in transition. 31 players used in league . 48 used between league and OBC. We lost 2 u20 finals in 2019 and 20. I would imagine them teams will backbone senior team in coming years. We need long term replacements for Mick Fitz, Cooper, a midfield partner for Fenton and more scoring options at wing and corner forward. Some of the players are not up to it but unfortunately there only options Dessie has. Yes there is flaws with Dessie and backroom team but we have lost 15/16 players from 6 in a row squad. Some were on a once in generation players and others were huge leaders who maintained the high standards for last 12 years on and off the pitch.
There was quite a bit of drama with Bailey and Dublin County sacking Tom Carr in 2001. I seem to recall an image of Dessie himself trying to look through a window to see what was going on, or is my mind playing tricks.
You are correct .
Quote from: rosnarun on March 01, 2022, 02:29:15 PM
up to about 2 years ago the talk was that the second best team in Ireland was the dublin Subs
That was always just a pathetic attempt to detract from the achievements of the 6 in a row Dublin team by implying that they had no real opposition. Usually spouted by disgruntled nordies.
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.
His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?
I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
Quote from: J70 on March 01, 2022, 05:46:50 PM
Is sacking Farrell a real prospect? And not extremely harsh if it came to that?
Not sure I can remember a GAA manager being removed halfway through a season, with the exception of Babs Keating quitting way back in the 90s when the Offaly squad basically kicked him out and went on (with the aid of Jimmy Cooney's early whistle) to win an All Ireland.
There was some during Cork strikes - Teddy Holland, John Considine
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
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I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.
His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?
I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
What would you know.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 01, 2022, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on March 01, 2022, 02:29:15 PM
up to about 2 years ago the talk was that the second best team in Ireland was the dublin Subs
That was always just a pathetic attempt to detract from the achievements of the 6 in a row Dublin team by implying that they had no real opposition. Usually spouted by disgruntled nordies.
Would you not consider that a compliment?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.
His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?
I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
tbf rufus i agree
some of his long kick outs were excellent amd allowed us to by pass the press
for me i would try him again
Quote from: naka on March 02, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.
His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?
I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
tbf rufus i agree
some of his long kick outs were excellent amd allowed us to by pass the press
for me i would try him again
I think the outfield players need to work on the kickout also and make themselves available. Something to work on.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.
His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?
I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
A vested interest really care to elaborate! I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory. Blaine was slowed somewhat by individuals throwing balls on the field against Monaghan, Rafferty couldn't even get the ball set and missed runners all over the show he was also trying too much outfield at times in my opinion and one got the feeling he no more wanted to be in goals so yes I think Blaine if not injured should feel aggrieved, sure lets persist for the rest of the year and hope he settles in - didn't see much of him in the McKenna Cup, surely that was the time to try this out.
Quote from: Average Score on March 02, 2022, 02:04:58 PM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 02, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Average Score on February 28, 2022, 02:40:21 PM
His kickouts were awful especially when he tried to go short, he was too slow, spent so long trying to balance the ball he missed runners all over the show, when he did manage to get set he was indecisive and lacked any confidence. If Blaine wasn't injured which he didn't look to be, he should be sorely aggrieved.
I appreciate views of individual performances are always going to be in the main subjective, but it should be possible to bring some element of objectivity to an analysis.
His performance was far from flawless, but for a goalkeeping debut I thought there was a lot of promise shown and he is worth trying again. Mayo pushed up on our kick outs and that did cause problems, but were these problems any greater than that which Monaghan caused, with Blaine in nets?
I'm afraid the nature of your analysis suggests that you have some sort of vested interest here.
A vested interest really care to elaborate! I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory. Blaine was slowed somewhat by individuals throwing balls on the field against Monaghan, Rafferty couldn't even get the ball set and missed runners all over the show he was also trying too much outfield at times in my opinion and one got the feeling he no more wanted to be in goals so yes I think Blaine if not injured should feel aggrieved, sure lets persist for the rest of the year and hope he settles in - didn't see much of him in the McKenna Cup, surely that was the time to try this out.
I do agree with you in terms of the timing of the experiment. The middle of the League with safety not yet guaranteed was not the time to throw in a rookie goalkeeper for his debut. Hughes did not have his finest day against Monaghan but that would have been a difficult game for any goalkeeper given the wind conditions, our lack of midfield for the first half and the issue with footballs being thrown onto the field. Hughes has steadily improved with each season and I thought he had done more than enough to have firmly cemented himself as the number one. In fact you could make the argument that we could be sitting as current Ulster champions if he hadn't caught Covid last summer.
Goalkeeper is probably the most heavily scrutinised position on the pitch in the modern game so it is a really difficult specialised position to play. Rafferty done ok against Mayo but one match is not enough of a sample size to judge a goalkeepers credentials. He certainly didn't do anything wrong to get dropped now that he has the jersey but a large part of the opposition analysis is based on the other goalkeepers kick outs. Raffertys kick outs will not have come under any scrutiny from opposition teams since he hasn't played in goal before now. That will change with every match he starts from here on in and we will know if the gamble paid off.
Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 02:46:39 PM
Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?
Like what?
Quote from: clubman21 on March 02, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 02:46:39 PM
Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?
Like what?
a kick up the hole from ones in the crowd would be best
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 02:46:39 PM
Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?
Kildare bench done it 3 times Sunday. Referee booked Paddy Woodgate on when he just went off on the third occasion of ball kicked onto pitch.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 02, 2022, 05:18:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 02:46:39 PM
Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?
Kildare bench done it 3 times Sunday. Referee booked Paddy Woodgate on when he just went off on the third occasion of ball kicked onto pitch.
Just allow one ball on the pitch , no replacements , unless you kick it to the back of beyond
Quote from: clubman21 on March 02, 2022, 02:52:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 02:46:39 PM
Can nothing be done by the ref or the umpires about pricks throwing footballs onto the field?
Like what?
Make it an offence to interfere with play from outside the playing area. Spectators doing so should be ejected, management should be sanctioned.
Alternatively the ref could just let the keeper kick the ball out and play continue. Anyone near second ball kick it out of play when the match ball is away, seriously how is a ball to the left, right or behind the keeper going influence play!
Quote from: Average Score on March 03, 2022, 08:02:24 AM
Alternatively the ref could just let the keeper kick the ball out and play continue. Anyone near second ball kick it out of play when the match ball is away, seriously how is a ball to the left, right or behind the keeper going influence play!
+1. This needs some common sense .... let play continue and whoever can clear the ball afterwards can. Either that, or enlist a ball boy/girl to remove it. Either way, the play should continue irrespective of the ball.
Ball boys/girls would work. The umpires are lazy and wouldn't get out of their own way unless there was a free dinner so have 2 wee cubs by each goals grabbing the ball for them.
Quote from: Average Score on March 02, 2022, 02:04:58 PM
A vested interest really care to elaborate! I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory.
It's the only explanation I can offer for an analysis so lacking in objectivity.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 03, 2022, 08:35:02 AM
Ball boys/girls would work. The umpires are lazy and wouldn't get out of their own way unless there was a free dinner so have 2 wee cubs by each goals grabbing the ball for them.
It needs sorted
You need to have more than one ball available to the keeper if they are going to have the option of faster kickouts
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 03, 2022, 08:36:34 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 02, 2022, 02:04:58 PM
A vested interest really care to elaborate! I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory.
It's the only explanation I can offer for an analysis so lacking in objectivity.
Or an analysis not of your liking. Maybe after years in the doldrums one would have like to see a progressing team still progress instead of experimental shite with a keeper midway through a league campaign.
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Geezer must have looked back to the 2016 Cavan Championship match and though that be a great idea again - complete bollocks - some Grange fan club on here. Blaine has been the keeper for years and has improved immeasurably during that time, but sure lets put a forward into nets and hope for the best. oh and tell him his main task is to get up the field with pointless runs.
McGeeney got ridiculed over that decision in Cavan, but go back and look at the video. The keeper was the least of our problems that day.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2022, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Apologies, not an Armagh man so dealing off second hand information on Hughes at club level. Stand by my point though, there doesn't seem to be a lot of 1 on 1 situations up to this point to warrant an outstanding shot stopper to be placed in nets, and again I doubt the second goalkeeper was put in there for the sake of it, you would imagine if he was a calamity in nets it wouldn't have been up for discussion. Rory Beagan's mishap at the weekend may put the need for a sweeper keeper to bed regardless.
Quote from: APM on March 03, 2022, 02:03:38 PM
McGeeney got ridiculed over that decision in Cavan, but go back and look at the video. The keeper was the least of our problems that day.
Totally agree but I was at the match the gloveless roving keeper didn't help to be fair.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2022, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Apologies, not an Armagh man so dealing off second hand information on Hughes at club level. Stand by my point though, there doesn't seem to be a lot of 1 on 1 situations up to this point to warrant an outstanding shot stopper to be placed in nets, and again I doubt the second goalkeeper was put in there for the sake of it, you would imagine if he was a calamity in nets it wouldn't have been up for discussion. Rory Beagan's mishap at the weekend may put the need for a sweeper keeper to bed regardless.
Blaine would be as comfortable on the ball as Rafferty and well fit to play sweeper keeper imo, agreed that shot stopping is well down the list of things a keeper needs to be good at these days.
Thought Beggan was excellent against Armagh when Monaghan were a man down, he was an extra outlet for them keeping the ball, must have gotten too big for his boots against Kerry and was caught out. Wasn't actually at the Armagh match on Saturday but was told our kickouts were an issue and judging by the radio we seemed to lose an awful lot of our own. Again that doesn't always come down to just the keeper, but people have said Rafferty was slow to get set up and missed a lot of opportunities to play a short kickout.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2022, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Armagh could lose their remaining games and still stay up, it's as good as secured already.
Quote from: Average Score on March 03, 2022, 10:15:42 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 03, 2022, 08:36:34 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 02, 2022, 02:04:58 PM
A vested interest really care to elaborate! I am an Armagh supported who witnessed a goal keeping debut for a very decent outfield player against one of the best counties in Ireland when we are far from safe and you reel out some conspiracy theory.
It's the only explanation I can offer for an analysis so lacking in objectivity.
Or an analysis not of your liking. Maybe after years in the doldrums one would have like to see a progressing team still progress instead of experimental shite with a keeper midway through a league campaign.
Of all people to question over an analysis into inter county goalkeeping I think Rufus would be one I wouldn't be questioning! Blaine Hughes has done grand but he's had no challenge. He is a solid keeper but to try something different is worth trying in the league rather than waiting until a championship when there's no option. Give them both the chance and see how it goes. Time will tell the right answer.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 03, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2022, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Armagh could lose their remaining games and still stay up, it's as good as secured already.
I wouldnt like to be relying on other results and I certainly wouldnt like to be going into the Donegal game needing a win and having to show our hand against them pre championship. 2 points against Kildare and we can start to breathe easy.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2022, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Its not really baffling Ethan use to be a soccer keeper, plus he can come out and offer more than Blaine with regards to that. Think Blaine is a decent keeper but he makes a lot of mistakes and isnt comfortable in a tense situation think its a worthwhile exercise to see if Ethan is any better.
McGeeney wants a keeper who is comfortable carrying the ball. Ethan fits the bill
Besides Armagh, Kildare, Kerry, and Mayo have all used 2 keepers in the league.
Mayo was an injury issue I believe.
Kildare and Kerry seemed to be about trying out options.
Dublin, Monaghan, Tyrone and Donegal are the 4 teams who've only had 1 keeper.
All of Comerford, Beggan, Morgan and Patton are fairly established as the number 1 keeper in their county - you'd wonder what sort of competition they are under in terms of keeping their place/what the odds of the 2/3 keepers would have to do to get a chance (barring injury)
You'd imagine that keepers who are coming out the field a la Beggan would have a significantly higher chance of picking up an injury as opposed to a traditional stays-between-his-post keeper given the ground they are covering and the fact that they are likely to be tackled more.
I'd also say there a keeper who comes out the pitch has a higher chance of picking up a red or a black card, especially given the increased risk of getting caught out of position. Could be a big question for a manager if a goalie picks up a black - do you use 2 substitutions (if you need to sub on and off a specialist goalie for an outfield player) or do you put an outfield player in goals and try and risk it?
Quote from: general_lee on March 09, 2022, 05:18:30 PM
McGeeney wants a keeper who is comfortable carrying the ball. Ethan fits the bill
Are you saying (a) Blaine isn't comfortable carrying the ball and (b) distribution and shot stopping is now defunct for the Armagh team. In his one game to date Rafferty didn't know when to stop carrying the ball, he is going make a Beggan cockup if he continues.
Quote from: Armagh2022 on March 09, 2022, 04:45:41 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 03, 2022, 02:21:37 PM
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 03, 2022, 11:29:34 AM
Given how Armagh are defending this year, with the backline shored up, I wouldn't class changing the goalkeeper as 'experimental shite', and I think I read that Huges plays outfield for his club ironically enough. I would imagine he was training good enough as a goalkeeper to earn his place last weekend, nothing is given.
Blaine won the intermediate this year playing in nets for Carrickcruppen and was hugely influential in their completely shock win.
Have defend McGeeney numerous times but the decision to play Rafferty in nets is baffling. By all means try it in the McKenna cup or later in the league when safety is secured, not in a hugely tough game against one of the best teams in the country when we really could have done with a win. Don't see what Rafferty brings bar distance on the kickout.
Its not really baffling Ethan use to be a soccer keeper, plus he can come out and offer more than Blaine with regards to that. Think Blaine is a decent keeper but he makes a lot of mistakes and isnt comfortable in a tense situation think its a worthwhile exercise to see if Ethan is any better.
And was he out of the country for the Dr McKenna?
Blaine has made a few mistakes against Monaghan and against Tyrone he was wiltering under the pressure I thought when they Pushed up on his kickout. Maybe McGeeney thought he had to do something. Ethan had a serious injury last year not sure if he was available for the mckenna cup There doesnt seem to be a obvious number 2 with macgill in the u-20s I think.... Ethan done well against Mayo. I hope he gets his 2nd chance
Quote from: Average Score on March 10, 2022, 07:57:29 AM
Quote from: general_lee on March 09, 2022, 05:18:30 PM
McGeeney wants a keeper who is comfortable carrying the ball. Ethan fits the bill
Are you saying (a) Blaine isn't comfortable carrying the ball and (b) distribution and shot stopping is now defunct for the Armagh team. In his one game to date Rafferty didn't know when to stop carrying the ball, he is going make a Beggan cockup if he continues.
Thats just it I dont think his shot stopping is great and his distribution is only good if teams don't push up which I think every team in the country have started to do with us. Ethan was hitting Rian O Neill on our own 45 2 weeks ago with the assistance of the wind obviously.
Mayo (NFL Division One v Kerry, 12/3/2022):
1. Rob Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites)
3. Lee Keegan (Westport)
4. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
5. Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
6. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) (Captain)
7. Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine)
8. Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
9. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
10. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Jack Carney (Kilmeena)
13. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
14. Aiden Orme (Knockmore)
15. Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Brendan Harrison (Aghamore), Enda Hession (Garrymore), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Conor O'Shea (Breaffy), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Fionn McDonagh (Westport), Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Frank Irwin (Ballina Stephenites).
Has the makings of a great game this does, and bar either team having an off day, there should only be a kick of a ball in it. I will take Kerry for the win by 3points at the very most
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 10, 2022, 11:18:43 AM
Mayo (NFL Division One v Kerry, 12/3/2022):
1. Rob Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites)
3. Lee Keegan (Westport)
4. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
5. Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
6. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) (Captain)
7. Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine)
8. Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
9. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
10. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Jack Carney (Kilmeena)
13. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
14. Aiden Orme (Knockmore)
15. Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Brendan Harrison (Aghamore), Enda Hession (Garrymore), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Conor O'Shea (Breaffy), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Fionn McDonagh (Westport), Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Frank Irwin (Ballina Stephenites).
Around 11 or 12 of that team will likely start the championship encounter v Galway.
Wasn't this Kerry game earmarked as the return of Cillian O'Connor and did Jason Doherty get another injury setback?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on March 10, 2022, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 10, 2022, 11:18:43 AM
Mayo (NFL Division One v Kerry, 12/3/2022):
1. Rob Hennelly (Breaffy)
2. Padraig O'Hora (Ballina Stephenites)
3. Lee Keegan (Westport)
4. Michael Plunkett (Ballintubber)
5. Paddy Durcan (Castlebar Mitchels)
6. Stephen Coen (Hollymount/Carramore) (Captain)
7. Oisín Mullin (Kilmaine)
8. Jordan Flynn (Crossmolina Deel Rovers)
9. Matthew Ruane (Breaffy)
10. Diarmuid O'Connor (Ballintubber)
11. Aidan O'Shea (Breaffy)
12. Jack Carney (Kilmeena)
13. Fergal Boland (Aghamore)
14. Aiden Orme (Knockmore)
15. Ryan O'Donoghue (Belmullet).
Subs: Rory Byrne (Castlebar Mitchels), Donnacha McHugh (Castlebar Mitchels), Brendan Harrison (Aghamore), Enda Hession (Garrymore), David McBrien (Ballaghaderreen), Conor O'Shea (Breaffy), Kevin McLoughlin (Knockmore), Paul Towey (Charlestown Sarsfields), Fionn McDonagh (Westport), Conor Loftus (Crossmolina Deel Rovers), Frank Irwin (Ballina Stephenites).
Around 11 or 12 of that team will likely start the championship encounter v Galway.
Wasn't this Kerry game earmarked as the return of Cillian O'Connor and did Jason Doherty get another injury setback?
Last two games of the league was the original target I heard for the return of Cillian and I think Doherty had a hamstring problem after the Monaghan game. Eoghan McLaughlin is missing and I haven't heard if it is injury related or rest or whatever.
Surprised DOC isn't at number 11. Horan must have half-back line and midfield 'decided' for championship.
Hopefully wind dies down would be awful if O'Shea got blew over by another gust and get some lad a yellow card.
Quote from: Average Score on March 10, 2022, 09:26:22 PM
Hopefully wind dies down would be awful if O'Shea got blew over by another gust and get some lad a yellow card.
It would, wouldn't it?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 10, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
Surprised DOC isn't at number 11. Horan must have half-back line and midfield 'decided' for championship.
I would say the half forward line is his main worry at the moment as the full forward line will is more than likely O'Donoghue, Orme and O'Connor (when fit).
Half forward line was a problem last year as well. Personally I can't see O'Shea starting unless it is a tight pitch and bad weather but who knows??
I was hoping two of McDonagh/Loftus/Carney/Boland/Irwin would step up and claim the wing forward berths so we could have O'Shea and Kevin Mac off the bench to finish games strongly but so far only Carney had staked a claim in the league.
I'd like to see Aidan O'Shea get MOTM and do well in the next few league and championship games, which will make Horan think he's good enough to start a big Championship game in Croke Park and then inevitably he gives a performance similar to v Tyrone.
In fairness he dives like a Tyronie.
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Quote from: blanketattack on March 11, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
I'd like to see Aidan O'Shea get MOTM and do well in the next few league and championship games, which will make Horan think he's good enough to start a big Championship game in Croke Park and then inevitably he gives a performance similar to v Tyrone.
I personally would love if he got MOTM in every match Mayo play in for the rest of the summer. Surprised he's starting to be honest. He had a stinker in last year's final surely, and I thought he should have been taken off.
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 11, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 10, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
Surprised DOC isn't at number 11. Horan must have half-back line and midfield 'decided' for championship.
I would say the half forward line is his main worry at the moment as the full forward line will is more than likely O'Donoghue, Orme and O'Connor (when fit).
Half forward line was a problem last year as well. Personally I can't see O'Shea starting unless it is a tight pitch and bad weather but who knows??
I was hoping two of McDonagh/Loftus/Carney/Boland/Irwin would step up and claim the wing forward berths so we could have O'Shea and Kevin Mac off the bench to finish games strongly but so far only Carney had staked a claim in the league.
Agree totally with this. I reckon Boland will go wing forward myself tomorrow but will AOS be on the edge of the square if that happens?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 11, 2022, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 11, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
I'd like to see Aidan O'Shea get MOTM and do well in the next few league and championship games, which will make Horan think he's good enough to start a big Championship game in Croke Park and then inevitably he gives a performance similar to v Tyrone.
I personally would love if he got MOTM in every match Mayo play in for the rest of the summer. Surprised he's starting to be honest. He had a stinker in last year's final surely, and I thought he should have been taken off.
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 11, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 10, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
Surprised DOC isn't at number 11. Horan must have half-back line and midfield 'decided' for championship.
I would say the half forward line is his main worry at the moment as the full forward line will is more than likely O'Donoghue, Orme and O'Connor (when fit).
Half forward line was a problem last year as well. Personally I can't see O'Shea starting unless it is a tight pitch and bad weather but who knows??
I was hoping two of McDonagh/Loftus/Carney/Boland/Irwin would step up and claim the wing forward berths so we could have O'Shea and Kevin Mac off the bench to finish games strongly but so far only Carney had staked a claim in the league.
Agree totally with this. I reckon Boland will go wing forward myself tomorrow but will AOS be on the edge of the square if that happens?
He might do although I personally don't think O'Shea is much good inside as he is too easy double teamed. I prefer him in the middle as the defensive mid fielder/worker role.
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 11, 2022, 05:15:03 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 11, 2022, 03:27:46 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on March 11, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
I'd like to see Aidan O'Shea get MOTM and do well in the next few league and championship games, which will make Horan think he's good enough to start a big Championship game in Croke Park and then inevitably he gives a performance similar to v Tyrone.
I personally would love if he got MOTM in every match Mayo play in for the rest of the summer. Surprised he's starting to be honest. He had a stinker in last year's final surely, and I thought he should have been taken off.
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 11, 2022, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 10, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
Surprised DOC isn't at number 11. Horan must have half-back line and midfield 'decided' for championship.
I would say the half forward line is his main worry at the moment as the full forward line will is more than likely O'Donoghue, Orme and O'Connor (when fit).
Half forward line was a problem last year as well. Personally I can't see O'Shea starting unless it is a tight pitch and bad weather but who knows??
I was hoping two of McDonagh/Loftus/Carney/Boland/Irwin would step up and claim the wing forward berths so we could have O'Shea and Kevin Mac off the bench to finish games strongly but so far only Carney had staked a claim in the league.
Agree totally with this. I reckon Boland will go wing forward myself tomorrow but will AOS be on the edge of the square if that happens?
He might do although I personally don't think O'Shea is much good inside as he is too easy double teamed. I prefer him in the middle as the defensive mid fielder/worker role.
Played in a type of sweeper role against Armagh 2nd half and played his role in grabbing a win from the jaws of defeat.
Is there still semi-finals in the leagues or is it just top two into a final?
Quote from: pbat on March 11, 2022, 07:24:54 PM
Is there still semi-finals in the leagues or is it just top two into a final?
The latter and that final will be played the first weekend of April.
Cheers
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Sean O'Shea out injured.
https://twitter.com/Armagh_GAA/status/1502381345024065539/photo/1
Kildare named here...
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca_32OzgkwQ/?utm_medium=copy_link
Lots in reserve but they have to give the lads who beat the Dubs a shot. Conway is a big addition.
Still have Feely and Kirwan to come in too.
Dublin team to play Tyrone
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Quote from: blanketattack on March 11, 2022, 10:24:39 AM
I'd like to see Aidan O'Shea get MOTM and do well in the next few league and championship games, which will make Horan think he's good enough to start a big Championship game in Croke Park and then inevitably he gives a performance similar to v Tyrone.
Hard to see them winning much with Aidan starting, losing a forward and slowing everything down - thought DOC was good there and deserves more time in role
Fairly hilarious to see Kerry and Mayo already being installed as firm favourites for the All-Ireland. Despite the fact that Tyrone beat both of them to win it in 2021. The same thing happens every year, do people never learn?
Tyrone don't win it every year ;)
Quote from: greatpoint on March 12, 2022, 05:00:56 PM
Fairly hilarious to see Kerry and Mayo already being installed as firm favourites for the All-Ireland. Despite the fact that Tyrone beat both of them to win it in 2021. The same thing happens every year, do people never learn?
Same thing happens every year ??? I think you will find that Dublin have been favourites for a good few years if you check.
Quote from: Halfquarter on March 12, 2022, 05:31:26 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 12, 2022, 05:00:56 PM
Fairly hilarious to see Kerry and Mayo already being installed as firm favourites for the All-Ireland. Despite the fact that Tyrone beat both of them to win it in 2021. The same thing happens every year, do people never learn?
Same thing happens every year ??? I think you will find that Dublin have been favourites for a good few years if you check.
You're really pretending that both Kerry and Mayo haven't been massively talked up for years now, despite achieving f**k all?
Armagh 1-4 to 0-6 ahead at the break, Andrew Murnin goal. Armagh forwards shooting will need to improve to hang on for the win
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 12, 2022, 06:48:12 PM
Armagh 1-4 to 0-6 ahead at the break, Andrew Murnin goal. Armagh forwards shooting will need to improve to hang on for the win
Kildare's shooting was probably worse overall in difficult conditions - looks to be a tricky wind.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 12, 2022, 05:00:56 PM
Fairly hilarious to see Kerry and Mayo already being installed as firm favourites for the All-Ireland. Despite the fact that Tyrone beat both of them to win it in 2021. The same thing happens every year, do people never learn?
Fair enough assessment greatpoint. Time we in Mayo actually accepted a bit of criticsm, justified critucsm obviously. It's hard to know what will be gained from tonight's result, one foot in the league final sure, but that's it.
McQuillan is just completely awful
Quote from: bennydorano on March 12, 2022, 07:02:26 PM
McQuillan is just completely awful
If you're talking about the free, he was 100% correct - no effort whatsoever by the Armagh players to tackle properly.
The tackle has to be focused on the ball and all three Armagh players were tackling the man not the ball.
He fell
Quote from: bennydorano on March 12, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
He fell
And when he was trying to get up the Armagh player had a hand on his back which is a foul.
McQuillan being consistently bad
14m free for kildare after McQuillan misses a blatant off the ground at the other end. Joe out. Joker.
Daniel Flynn having a shocker tonight.
Armagh love the fake head injuries / physio with bag of ice to back of the neck
Armagh 5 point winners. Decent chance of reaching the final now however the more important thing is another year in Div 1 which is the best environment to live and learn in.
Poor fare from Mayo's forwards tonight. Boland the best of them imo.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 12, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Armagh love the fake head injuries / physio with bag of ice to back of the neck
Kildare love the clothes lines.
Is the Kerry game on the radio. Or any audio links?
Quote from: Solo_run on March 12, 2022, 07:16:57 PM
McQuillan being consistently bad
He was and has always been, no idea how he gets these gigs.
Quote from: inroundthesquare on March 12, 2022, 07:20:26 PM
Armagh love the fake head injuries / physio with bag of ice to back of the neck
Honestly hate to see that. I get why anything high is an automatic yellow but Armagh players were purposely ducking into tackles to get lads booked.
Fine achievement by Armagh to guarantee safety with 2 games remaining. We are far from the finished article but we are hard to play against and possess 3 or 4 top class forwards. The League has been good for players like Kelly and Mackin who are 2 very strong lads round the middle with big futures.
These days a player wearing black boots is a rare breed, Red, Orange, Blue, Mr Ponytail in Pink, All the colours of the rainbow on show.
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I'd like to see Aidan O'Shea get MOTM and do well in the next few league and championship games, which will make Horan think he's good enough to start a big Championship game in Croke Park and then inevitably he gives a performance similar to v Tyrone.
Hard to see them winning much with Aidan starting, losing a forward and slowing everything down - thought DOC was good there and deserves more time in role
Rest my case, gave away last two frees to boot....
Kerry v Mayo a very even game. But Durcan and Keegan are backs for a reason. 3 wides between them at the death. From a distance but all very getable. While they are both great players, we often forget that if they were good at shooting, they'd be forwards. Magic half backs, but Mayo forwards need to take some responsibility and go for some scores.
Problem is they don't have the forwards and depend on Durcan and to a lesser extent keegan for scores. Second last Kerry free wasn't a free tbh. Last Mayo free too for me was a foul but most refs wouldn't give it.
RTE just showed a league table with Mayo above Armagh, Mayo on 7pts +9, Armagh 7pts +14.
They don't even try to hide the northern bias now.
Maybe they think it's head to head not score difference? It's that in the hurling so probably is in the football...
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2022, 09:24:27 PM
Maybe they think it's head to head not score difference? It's that in the hurling so probably is in the football...
It is.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 12, 2022, 09:24:27 PM
Maybe they think it's head to head not score difference? It's that in the hurling so probably is in the football...
Yes goes on head between 2 teams.
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:17:24 PM
Kerry v Mayo a very even game. But Durcan and Keegan are backs for a reason. 3 wides between them at the death. From a distance but all very getable. While they are both great players, we often forget that if they were good at shooting, they'd be forwards. Magic half backs, but Mayo forwards need to take some responsibility and go for some scores.
What was head-scratching from my point of view was how we took off a forward who had scored 3 points from play a couple of minutes earlier and replaced him with another who had no impact at all. As you said Hound, those wides were within shooting and scoring range.
Quote from: pbat on March 12, 2022, 09:22:37 PM
RTE just showed a league table with Mayo above Armagh, Mayo on 7pts +9, Armagh 7pts +14.
They don't even try to hide the northern bias now.
Don't let the facts get in the way of the bag o spuds on the shoulder 🙄
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 09:30:10 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 12, 2022, 09:17:24 PM
Kerry v Mayo a very even game. But Durcan and Keegan are backs for a reason. 3 wides between them at the death. From a distance but all very getable. While they are both great players, we often forget that if they were good at shooting, they'd be forwards. Magic half backs, but Mayo forwards need to take some responsibility and go for some scores.
What was head-scratching from my point of view was how we took off a forward who had scored 3 points from play a couple of minutes earlier and replaced him with another who had no impact at all. As you said Hound, those wides were within shooting and scoring range.
Thought was harsh on Orme been taken off too. Kicked a nice point.
Any harrying from the Kerry defence is going to be called the Tally effect, it seems.
Quote from: pbat on March 12, 2022, 09:22:37 PM
RTE just showed a league table with Mayo above Armagh, Mayo on 7pts +9, Armagh 7pts +14.
They don't even try to hide the northern bias now.
Head to head Mayo beat Armagh ?
I have never posted a word of criticism about a referee before. And my team ran out comfortable enough winners tonight and are guaranteed Division 1 football next year. But I genuinely have no faith in McQuillan as a referee.
I know there is the "Dublin Joe" nonsense and the armagh fans in front of me seemed to think Joe has a vendetta against us. I think all of that is nonsense. But any assessor tonight would have to conclude he is simply a poor referee.
Quote from: LCohen on March 12, 2022, 10:08:52 PM
I have never posted a word of criticism about a referee before. And my team ran out comfortable enough winners tonight and are guaranteed Division 1 football next year. But I genuinely have no faith in McQuillan as a referee.
I know there is the "Dublin Joe" nonsense and the armagh fans in front of me seemed to think Joe has a vendetta against us. I think all of that is nonsense. But any assessor tonight would have to conclude he is simply a poor referee.
He is borderline a disgrace, has been for years.
Quote from: Average Score on March 12, 2022, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 12, 2022, 10:08:52 PM
I have never posted a word of criticism about a referee before. And my team ran out comfortable enough winners tonight and are guaranteed Division 1 football next year. But I genuinely have no faith in McQuillan as a referee.
I know there is the "Dublin Joe" nonsense and the armagh fans in front of me seemed to think Joe has a vendetta against us. I think all of that is nonsense. But any assessor tonight would have to conclude he is simply a poor referee.
He is borderline a disgrace, has been for years.
Sure, blame the ref.
I think he does alright for most of the game usually. But he seems to suffer from head staggers and actually gets ratty himself with teams if they question him at all, then tries to make up for it.
That long ball into Rian O'Neill sends shivers down defenders. You can hear the anticipation from the crowd.
It'll be interesting who Donegal put on him in the USFC if posted at FF.
Quote from: befair on March 12, 2022, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 12, 2022, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 12, 2022, 10:08:52 PM
I have never posted a word of criticism about a referee before. And my team ran out comfortable enough winners tonight and are guaranteed Division 1 football next year. But I genuinely have no faith in McQuillan as a referee.
I know there is the "Dublin Joe" nonsense and the armagh fans in front of me seemed to think Joe has a vendetta against us. I think all of that is nonsense. But any assessor tonight would have to conclude he is simply a poor referee.
He is borderline a disgrace, has been for years.
Sure, blame the ref.
For being incompetent, eh yes. He is buck useless.
Quote from: Average Score on March 12, 2022, 10:43:27 PM
Quote from: befair on March 12, 2022, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 12, 2022, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 12, 2022, 10:08:52 PM
I have never posted a word of criticism about a referee before. And my team ran out comfortable enough winners tonight and are guaranteed Division 1 football next year. But I genuinely have no faith in McQuillan as a referee.
I know there is the "Dublin Joe" nonsense and the armagh fans in front of me seemed to think Joe has a vendetta against us. I think all of that is nonsense. But any assessor tonight would have to conclude he is simply a poor referee.
He is borderline a disgrace, has been for years.
Sure, blame the ref.
For being incompetent, eh yes. He is buck useless.
While it is only the last game I can remember him reffing he did a brilliant job of the All Ireland between us and Dublin in 2017.
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2022, 10:03:00 PM
Any harrying from the Kerry defence is going to be called the Tally effect, it seems.
Kerry got away with a lot of tactical fouling tonight and have done so for years. If usually portrayed by the kerry yerra brigade as laying down a marker nonsense. Will take a strong referee to action against them in big games later in year.
Kerry still totally reliant on Clifford. Hold him and Kerry are beatable. Kerry team of the 00's had other scoring options if Cooper was held.
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Strongest team yet (on paper) named by the Dubs.
Also McCarthy and Costello expected to be involved having both played for their respective clubs last weekend. Con still injured.
Conditions in Omagh expected to be tough!
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2022, 10:20:16 PM
I think he does alright for most of the game usually. But he seems to suffer from head staggers and actually gets ratty himself with teams if they question him at all, then tries to make up for it.
That long ball into Rian O'Neill sends shivers down defenders. You can hear the anticipation from the crowd.
It'll be interesting who Donegal put on him in the USFC if posted at FF.
McQuillan is woeful. Poor for both sides, couple of times balls were touched on the ground and nothing given.
Actually thought Rian was poor enough by his standards, as was Flynn.
Tiernan Kelly hit one or 2 class balls into Rian that could and probably should have been goals.
Quote from: Hound on March 13, 2022, 06:27:58 AM
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Strongest team yet (on paper) named by the Dubs.
Also McCarthy and Costello expected to be involved having both played for their respective clubs last weekend. Con still injured.
Conditions in Omagh expected to be tough!
Any word on Peadar O'Cofaigh Byrne? Would expect McCarthy in for Lahiff and Costello for A.Byrne or Rock. Think Gannon could start too if not injured.
Joe Brolly having his 'kick Mayo while losing' craic again I see. Was the football that bad last night?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Joe Brolly having his 'kick Mayo while losing' craic again I see. Was the football that bad last night?
You're worse for reacting to it. ignore him, most people have seen him for what he is.
Another horrible blustery day up here, every game in the league we've played been like this now.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Joe Brolly having his 'kick Mayo while losing' craic again I see. Was the football that bad last night?
You're worse for reacting to it. ignore him, most people have seen him for what he is.
I know, I should know better but every single time he puts the boot into us despite living in the county.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2022, 10:39:37 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Joe Brolly having his 'kick Mayo while losing' craic again I see. Was the football that bad last night?
You're worse for reacting to it. ignore him, most people have seen him for what he is.
I know, I should know better but every single time he puts the boot into us despite living in the county.
Just read it. Think you boys are being a wee bit over sensitive.
Came across to me as him having a go at both teams and the general state of the game today. He lambasted Kerry for their defense-first play and general ignoring of Clifford.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Joe Brolly having his 'kick Mayo while losing' craic again I see. Was the football that bad last night?
You're worse for reacting to it. ignore him, most people have seen him for what he is.
Exactly, starve him of oxygen, he has passed his sell by date.
Still a bit blowy up here but not as bad as previous weeks. For every ying there's a yang...if weather not going to ruin it I've just noticed who the referee is, ffs.
Quote from: Halfquarter on March 13, 2022, 12:02:39 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2022, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 13, 2022, 10:24:42 AM
Joe Brolly having his 'kick Mayo while losing' craic again I see. Was the football that bad last night?
You're worse for reacting to it. ignore him, most people have seen him for what he is.
Exactly, starve him of oxygen, he has passed his sell by date.
But keep talking about him. ;D
f**k me I thought Donegal were bad in the first half against Tyrone. This is a whole other level.
I know it's a seriously weakened Donegal team, but they look utterly clueless so far. No tackling, getting outmuscled repeatedly, wild, speculative shots...
Mcbrearty scores a free from the wrong side for a left footer then misses one on the right side. Also a few wild shots from play. Strange for a top class forward, maybe it's the wind?
Murphy on before half time
I was going to ask if that was Ballybofey but I see the Villa Rose in the bck ground. Things are desperate Murphy on, probably still injured. The loser of this one and the Tyrone / Dublin game likely be relegated.
Takes a half-fit Murphy to show how to hit a f**king point
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 02:14:39 PM
I was going to ask if that was Ballybofey but I see the Villa Rose in the bck ground. Things are desperate Murphy on, probably still injured. The loser of this one and the Tyrone / Dublin game likely be relegated.
We are going to go into the Armagh game needing a result as we're getting nothing from the Dubs in Croke Park.
We've a long losing streak in Letterkenny.
To be honest Donegal probably only been beat a handful of times in Ballybofey past 10+yrs.
Relegation aside I would be more worried how poor they look. I really don't understand why bonner was kept on.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 02:23:42 PM
To be honest Donegal probably only been beat a handful of times in Ballybofey past 10+yrs.
Once since 2010.
Tyrone in the super 8s in 2018.
Barring some miracle turn around against the wind, that ends today.
Quote from: J70 on March 13, 2022, 02:20:50 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 02:14:39 PM
I was going to ask if that was Ballybofey but I see the Villa Rose in the bck ground. Things are desperate Murphy on, probably still injured. The loser of this one and the Tyrone / Dublin game likely be relegated.
We are going to go into the Armagh game needing a result as we're getting nothing from the Dubs in Croke Park.
We've a long losing streak in Letterkenny.
Dublin are shite, no reason Donegal couldnt go and beat them. If you's need anything against Armagh you will likely get it, can't see us going into that one at full tilt with the championship around the corner.
Dublin not beat Donegal up there 1 time?
Decent half from Monaghan after the horror show against Kerry. Good to see us being more clinical and actually putting away the majority of our chances, big improvement on our first few games. Woods and Mohan the stand outs for me so far.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 13, 2022, 02:24:48 PM
Relegation aside I would be more worried how poor they look. I really don't understand why bonner was kept on.
Yeah, I don't care too much about relegation.
But the team clearly needs fresh ideas. It's far too slow and risk averse.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 02:29:46 PM
Dublin not beat Donegal up there 1 time?
No.
They got a late draw once to send us down. Think it was 2013.
We drew another year too more recently. Mostly been playing them in Croke Park in recent years.
Tyrone name team to play dublin
https://twitter.com/TyroneGAALive/status/1503009668418916356?t=szQ9PkdrKbsktL180hb90g&s=19
1. N Morgan
2. M McKernan
3. P Hampsey
4. F Burns
5. C Meyler
6. J Munroe
7. P Harte
8. C Kilpatrick
9. B Kennedy
10. N Donnelly
11. N Sludden
12. K McGeary
13. D McCurry
14. C McShane
15. D Canavan
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 02:14:39 PM
I was going to ask if that was Ballybofey but I see the Villa Rose in the bck ground. Things are desperate Murphy on, probably still injured. The loser of this one and the Tyrone / Dublin game likely be relegated.
We are going to go into the Armagh game needing a result as we're getting nothing from the Dubs in Croke Park.
We've a long losing streak in Letterkenny.
Dublin are shite, no reason Donegal couldnt go and beat them. If you's need anything against Armagh you will likely get it, can't see us going into that one at full tilt with the championship around the corner.
Dublin are far better than us even if they're in transition.
At this rate, I don't see your boys having much problem dispatching us next month in the important match in Ballybofey, never mind Letterkenny.
If Donegal players focused on playing the game instead of crying to the ref every single time they would be in a far better position
Seems like I spoke too soon, we're starting the second half here like we have the first half in every other game, incredibly wasteful. Donegal growing into the game now and those wides will probably come back to haunt us.
Don't think I've ever seen Ryan McHugh have as little impact on a game before.
He's barely touched the ball.
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 02:56:24 PM
Seems like I spoke too soon, we're starting the second half here like we have the first half in every other game, incredibly wasteful. Donegal growing into the game now and those wides will probably come back to haunt us.
Wind is obviously very tricky down that river end.
Murphy tripped himself there
Ryan mchugh off.. never seen someone so good and usually have major impact on games have absolutely none this season.. Donegal have looked very ordinary this year
Jamie Brennan looks injured as well
Christ, another big save by Patton. That would have been a serious goal after the kickpasses by Beggan and Walshe.
would someone tell the commentator that Darren Hughes has gone of and that #14 is Kieron
Monaghan should be out of sight.
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 03:15:23 PM
Christ, another big save by Patton. That would have been a serious goal after the kickpasses by Beggan and Walshe.
yeah - pity didnt show a replay
Fair play to Monaghan, they got the show on the road after a bad day against Kerry and should have been out of sight.
Donegal are probably less than the sum of their parts, Monaghan probably are more.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 13, 2022, 03:27:48 PM
Fair play to Monaghan, they got the show on the road after a bad day against Kerry and should have been out of sight.
Donegal are probably less than the sum of their parts, Monaghan probably are more.
Was just looking at the table. Bit of a way to go still but both Leinster teams might go down
Well deserved win for Monaghan.
Very poor from Donegal. Even second half when we improved, the forward play just looked slow and laboured with little incisiveness.
The lack of the long range option hurts us with Langan injured, Ryan McHugh and Ciaran Thompson not getting into shooting positions or the game in general, and the weather (but every team has that).
Could be a short season.
Big, big win for us there. Badly needed, especially after being destroyed by Kerry. I think it's fair to say we should have been on more than 2 pts after our first 3 games, where we just didn't put away our chances and were punished for it.
Much improved on that front today, a bit more wasteful at the start of the second half and we probably should have gotten another goal, but we were able to up the gears towards the end and secure the win. There was a long extended period of play there where we were looking very ragged and were waiting to make some changes, but there was no break in play and Donegal were coming on strong, but luckily once we made the subs the injection of fresh legs showed. Big plays from the likes of Duffy, Woods and Mohan, who I think has been the find of the league for us. Made an immediate impact in big games.
Donegal were a soft touch, except for the 3rd quarter Monaghan were well on top in all areas. Especially the disciplined and effective defense, or that could have been down to a listless Donegal. The McKenna Cup final loss must have hurt deep and raised the aura of the Monaghan bogey.
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 03:43:16 PM
Big, big win for us there. Badly needed, especially after being destroyed by Kerry. I think it's fair to say we should have been on more than 2 pts after our first 3 games, where we just didn't put away our chances and were punished for it.
Much improved on that front today, a bit more wasteful at the start of the second half and we probably should have gotten another goal, but we were able to up the gears towards the end and secure the win. There was a long extended period of play there where we were looking very ragged and were waiting to make some changes, but there was no break in play and Donegal were coming on strong, but luckily once we made the subs the injection of fresh legs showed. Big plays from the likes of Duffy, Woods and Mohan, who I think has been the find of the league for us. Made an immediate impact in big games.
The subs were significant and Donegal ran out of steam after their 15 minute flurry in the 2nd half .
Though typical of playing in Donegal, the wind was against Monaghan in the 1st half and died down in the 2nd.
I thought the ref did well, refereed sensibly, caught the few late digs, played advantage well and all that good refereeing just happened to favour Monaghan.
Tyrone would need to buck up here or they be playing with Antrim in Div 2.
What was Hampsey's black card for?
Quote from: Solo_run on March 13, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
What was Hampsey's black card for?
Deliberate Shunt off the ball
Tyrone getting chewed up here.
Bit of hunger about the Dubs today,
This is brutal. Thought Dublin had a chance today but didn't think it would be this easy for them.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 13, 2022, 04:06:29 PM
Tyrone would need to buck up here or they be playing with Antrim in Div 2.
I would be happy if they could string a few passes together at this stage.
Maybe laying down a marker that you didn't beat us to win an all Ireland.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 13, 2022, 04:06:29 PM
Tyrone would need to buck up here or they be playing with Antrim in Div 2.
Rank stupidity by Hampsey to pick up the black card.
Tyrone seemed completely unprepared for the fact that Dublin have lost 4 in a row and are fighting for their Division 1 lives.
All 8 scores for Dublin from play.
Reports of Dublin's demise may have been exaggerated.
Going to be worse than the kerry game last year.
Jesus, even allowing for the fact they're a man down, Tyrone are absolutely brutal here. Need to wake up fast or it'll get even uglier
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 04:15:41 PM
Jesus, even allowing for the fact they're a man down, Tyrone are absolutely brutal here. Need to wake up fast or it'll get even uglier
Pretty much any of Tyrone's 15 could get subbed off at half-time and none of them could complain.
Dublin have woken up
It's like Men against Boys here.
No way that's a free out. Cassidy hasn't a clue.
Can Tyrone forwards not take a shot unless it's inside the 21 ?
Quote from: clarshack on March 13, 2022, 04:23:55 PM
No way that's a free out. Cassidy hasn't a clue.
Of course it's a free out - you can't tackle a player in the air when he doesn't have the ball.
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 04:15:41 PM
Jesus, even allowing for the fact they're a man down, Tyrone are absolutely brutal here. Need to wake up fast or it'll get even uglier
Man down?
Quote from: clarshack on March 13, 2022, 04:23:55 PM
No way that's a free out. Cassidy hasn't a clue.
Are you serious? The keeper was cleaned after he played the ball
Quote from: clarshack on March 13, 2022, 04:23:55 PM
No way that's a free out. Cassidy hasn't a clue.
Blatant free kick.
Tyrone look punch drunk, lose this and they're in big trouble with 2 tough games left.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 13, 2022, 04:25:37 PM
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 04:15:41 PM
Jesus, even allowing for the fact they're a man down, Tyrone are absolutely brutal here. Need to wake up fast or it'll get even uglier
Man down?
Hampsey was off on a black card
Quote from: Solo_run on March 13, 2022, 04:25:37 PM
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 04:15:41 PM
Jesus, even allowing for the fact they're a man down, Tyrone are absolutely brutal here. Need to wake up fast or it'll get even uglier
Man down?
Hampsey was black carded for 10 minutes.
Black card was for deliberate colliding into a player after he'd played the ball away.
Was no real reason for Hampsey to commit the foul bar stupidity/laziness.
Was well out the field with no danger of a score never mind a goal.
Dublin are taking their scores well but Tyrone players are giving them a lot of time and space.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 13, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
What was Hampsey's black card for?
Deliberate Shunt off the ball
Stupid rule. Was Hampsey supposed to pull up and just let him pass?
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 13, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
What was Hampsey's black card for?
Deliberate Shunt off the ball
Stupid rule. Was Hampsey supposed to pull up and just let him pass?
Yes he was.
You don't get to push players over just because they beat you.
It's a great rule.
Tyrone have been poor throughout this league campaign. If there was hope they might build on a rather fortunate win over Kildare it disappeared with a feeble second half against Donegal. This is more of the same but against a very fired up Dublin side clearly intent on sending out a message and getting their season started. From a Tyrone point of view we need to see a few men standing up in the second half and offering some kind of hope for the remaining league fixtures.
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 04:35:25 PM
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What was Hampsey's black card for?
Deliberate Shunt off the ball
Stupid rule. Was Hampsey supposed to pull up and just let him pass?
No but he deliberately shunted him when he didn't have to, his loss for ten minutes didn't actually change the play tbf, Tyrone have been pure dung first half
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 04:41:57 PM
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 04:35:25 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 13, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
What was Hampsey's black card for?
Deliberate Shunt off the ball
Stupid rule. Was Hampsey supposed to pull up and just let him pass?
No but he deliberately shunted him when he didn't have to, his loss for ten minutes didn't actually change the play tbf, Tyrone have been pure dung first half
I think it did - made it much easiest to push up on the kickouts and I'd say Dublin got a fair chunk of their scores when he was off the pitch.
Uh oh. Bye bye hampsey I think.
Wow, what an absolutely braindead move by Hampsey
How thick was that?
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
McKernan ??? Nasty enough that one.
Tyrone's discipline is shocking
McKernan should have seen red too.
That possibly should have been a red for McKernan
Quote from: Schkite on March 13, 2022, 04:47:04 PM
Wow, what an absolutely braindead move by Hampsey
McKernan should've got a red also.
Tyrone have looked like a rag ball outfit all season summed up by the Hampsey red card. Ill disciplined and not fit, I don't think their reign as AI champions will last very long this year.
McKernan lucky not to see red too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 13, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
McKernan ??? Nasty enough that one.
That's his usual sly dig. A clown on the football field
Tyrone completely losing the rag now, that was a unreal dirty punch by McKernan and he was lucky to get away with it, no intent to play the ball
Surprised to see that from Tyrone
Quote from: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 04:49:22 PM
McKernan should have seen red too.
Should have been a red for that knob mckernan. Thought the hamspey yellow was very soft but stupid.the Dublin player clearly was lining up for a shoulder. But it was stupid by hamspey
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Quote from: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 04:49:22 PM
McKernan should have seen red too.
Should have been a red for that knob mckernan. Thought the hamspey yellow was very soft but stupid.the Dublin player clearly was lining up for a shoulder. But it was stupid by hamspey
The dub played him well and he fell for it..
Never a yellow. Shameful play-acting by Scully to get Hampsey sent off. Give him something proper to lie down about.
It wasn't scully.
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Quote from: square_ball on March 13, 2022, 04:49:22 PM
McKernan should have seen red too.
Should have been a red for that knob mckernan. Thought the hamspey yellow was very soft but stupid.the Dublin player clearly was lining up for a shoulder. But it was stupid by hamspey
That's why he stopped moving completely and was caught off guard by Hampsey.
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
Never a yellow. Shameful play-acting by Scully to get Hampsey sent off. Give him something proper to lie down about.
Absolutely, broken jaw maybe be enough for you? And Scully nowhere near it
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
Never a yellow. Shameful play-acting by Scully to get Hampsey sent off. Give him something proper to lie down about.
Straight out of the 70's of GAA ;D... those days are gone and Hampsey will need to apologise to his teammates after that
Quote from: yellowcard on March 13, 2022, 04:49:58 PM
Tyrone have looked like a rag ball outfit all season summed up by the Hampsey red card. Ill disciplined and not fit, I don't think their reign as AI champions will last very long this year.
I'll wager as much as you want to lose it will last until July at least... ;)
Tyrone are winning the 2nd half 4 points to no score, even with the sending off.
Why no black card for the late hit on Canavan then?
That ref is awful and has been this years. Missing everything here.
Scully been up to no good the whole game. Deserved that.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 13, 2022, 05:01:55 PM
Tyrone are winning the 2nd half 4 points to no score, even with the sending off.
The conditions are with Tyrone, now it's 14 v 14 game on
Tyrone had done well to get back into the game there, made it a bit dirtier and frantic, and they revel in the chaos whereas Dublin weren't handling it as well. Amazing that Dublin didn't use the man advantage at all when they had it, but they've tagged over a couple more points there so think they should see out the game handy enough now if they don't concede a goal.
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 04:54:23 PM
Never a yellow. Shameful play-acting by Scully to get Hampsey sent off. Give him something proper to lie down about.
Are you the boy was shouting "give it til him, give it til him" when they were fighting in the tunnel a few years ago? Tyrone racking up the stupid red cards this year. Dooher won't be happy with that.
Dublin should've had 3 black cards. Ref bottled it
Dubs have quietly started building a bit of strength in depth. It will take another couple of years though.
The Jacks are back!
Jaysus Tyrone were shockingly bad
Nice to see the Dublin players stay on, take photos and autographs when am sure they just want get changed and diwn the road.
See what Hampsey done there on a replay. How stupid was that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Nice to see the Dublin players stay on, take photos and autographs when am sure they just want get changed and diwn the road.
Like players from practically all counties do
Not always
Won the second half by four points despite being a man down for the majority of it and that was probably about as much as we could have hoped for after the shambles of the first half. Some bad wides too or we might have got a bit closer, but the second half was much better. Need to ensure they build on that and bring improved performances in the last two league games.
Discipline has to be much better too. Costello a bit embarrassing with the theatrics but it was so stupid from Hampsey.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Nice to see the Dublin players stay on, take photos and autographs when am sure they just want get changed and diwn the road.
Great. How much did they charge?
'Hard man' stuff from Hampsey...ball out of play, frontal charge-definite yellow. The 'tackle' on Fenton should've been a straight red. Wouldn't have had any quibble if the goal had of stood, however.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 13, 2022, 05:58:56 PM
'Hard man' stuff from Hampsey...ball out of play, frontal charge-definite yellow. The 'tackle' on Fenton should've been a straight red. Wouldn't have had any quibble if the goal had of stood, however.
Sniper alert
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 13, 2022, 05:58:56 PM
'Hard man' stuff from Hampsey...ball out of play, frontal charge-definite yellow. The 'tackle' on Fenton should've been a straight red. Wouldn't have had any quibble if the goal had of stood, however.
Apt username cos you're talking thru your butthole
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Nice to see the Dublin players stay on, take photos and autographs when am sure they just want get changed and diwn the road.
Dean Rock offered to show some of the local u10s how to take a free for just €500 each
Next weekend is going to be an interesting set of fixtures. Five teams could be in contention for relegation if the results fall a certain way
Mayo would need to beat Tyrone
Dublin would need to beat Donegal
Monaghan and Kildare draw
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Nice to see the Dublin players stay on, take photos and autographs when am sure they just want get changed and diwn the road.
Dean Rock offered to show some of the local u10s how to take a free for just €500 each
I suppose you didn't have 500 on ya?
Quote from: KickPass on March 13, 2022, 06:14:22 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 05:28:07 PM
Nice to see the Dublin players stay on, take photos and autographs when am sure they just want get changed and diwn the road.
Dean Rock offered to show some of the local u10s how to take a free for just €500 each
Have another go there, you didn't do yourself justice the first two times.
Hard to see Tyrone staging off relegation now. Dublin likely will finish on 6. Tyrone might get to 5 to match Donegal's total.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 13, 2022, 05:58:56 PM
'Hard man' stuff from Hampsey...ball out of play, frontal charge-definite yellow. The 'tackle' on Fenton should've been a straight red. Wouldn't have had any quibble if the goal had of stood, however.
English language illiterate alert -- Costello should
have been less of a twat.
Fair dues Dubs, we couldn't exploit the wind advantage to the same degree, alas, though Dubs need to be concerned with the 2nd half, where fisted points were the best avenue of return (and something we didn't seek to avail of to anything like the required degree).
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 04:09:39 PM
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What was Hampsey's black card for?
Deliberate Shunt off the ball
Stupid rule. Was Hampsey supposed to pull up and just let him pass?
No but he deliberately shunted him when he didn't have to, his loss for ten minutes didn't actually change the play tbf, Tyrone have been pure dung first half
I think it did - made it much easiest to push up on the kickouts and I'd say Dublin got a fair chunk of their scores when he was off the pitch.
Dublin scored 5 of their 13 point total in the 10 minutes when Hampsey was off the pitch on his black card.
Jaysus I'm glad we bate Kildare last night. Am I right in saying Tyrone have to play Mayo and Kerry? Can't see either of them taking it easy as both will want to play meaningful games before the All Ireland Quarter finals. Dublin likely beat Donegal but don't know if they'll get anything from Monaghan.
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
Just seen the Hampsey incident, stupid but Jesus never a card or anything. Couldnt happen a nicer team though.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
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Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Personally I wouldn't have, I'd have told him to get up, but he shouldered him off the ball for no reason. Why bother doing that?
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Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Personally I wouldn't have, I'd have told him to get up, but he shouldered him off the ball for no reason. Why bother doing that?
Costello was shielding the ball, out of play though it might have been, and throwing his weight around previously -- Cassidy was too precious IMHO.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on March 13, 2022, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Is your issue that Costello fell over? He was wearing studs, standing on concrete and got a shoulder into the chest. I'd challenge anyone not to fall over.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Is your issue that Costello fell over? He was wearing studs, standing on concrete and got a shoulder into the chest. I'd challenge anyone not to fall over.
What was he at though? He squared up to Hampsey as he came in to retrieve, so tough shit I'd say.
Cassidy didn't lose the game, Tyrone scored 2 points in the first half and just six with the wind, Dublin were also down a man in the second half for ten minutes. Either way it wasn't their best performance, the discipline was very poor
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:23:56 PM
Cassidy didn't lose the game, Tyrone scored 2 points in the first half and just six with the wind, Dublin were also down a man in the second half for ten minutes. Either way it wasn't their best performance, the discipline was very poor
No arguments there, in that the Dubs were worthy victors, but that doesn't mean that some decisions didn't stink.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:23:56 PM
Cassidy didn't lose the game, Tyrone scored 2 points in the first half and just six with the wind, Dublin were also down a man in the second half for ten minutes. Either way it wasn't their best performance, the discipline was very poor
No arguments there, in that the Dubs were worthy victors, but that doesn't mean that some decisions didn't stink.
You'll never get all the calls, but Tyrone were aggressive at times when playing ball rather than man would have served better considering how close to relegation they are
He didn't square up to Hampsey, u starting to make stuff up. Hampsey was a idiot, accept its his fault only for been send off.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 07:34:25 PM
He didn't square up to Hampsey, u starting to make stuff up. Hampsey was a idiot, accept its his fault only for been send off.
What was he actually doing to facilitate the retrieval of the ball that he had engineered to put there? Feck all, so tough shit.
Did Costello not flick the ball over the fence to waste time?
Cassidy is a terrible referee, terrible, but I don't think he had a choice there.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 13, 2022, 07:40:52 PM
Did Costello not flick the ball over the fence to waste time?
Cassidy is a terrible referee, terrible, but I don't think he had a choice there.
Yes, Costello did. But point taken, and entitled to that opinion.
Quote from: Buttofthehill on March 13, 2022, 07:19:31 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Is your issue that Costello fell over? He was wearing studs, standing on concrete and got a shoulder into the chest. I'd challenge anyone not to fall over.
Butthill talking through his butthole again. Costello acted the w**ker then feigned injury to get Hampsey sent off. sc**bag action.
Are you slating a Dub for doing a Tyrone thing.
Quote from: Average Score on March 13, 2022, 08:10:42 PM
Are you slating a Dub for doing a Tyrone thing.
You're an armagh voyeur I take it?
Bless truth hurt?
Kick pass not another alter ego of Bomber Destro
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Kick pass not another alter ego of Bomber Destro
He's a very angry wee man
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Kick pass not another alter ego of Bomber Destro
He's a very angry wee man
Raging he wasn't born to enjoy Tyrones first all Ireland.
Haha Tyrone ;D
Should he wait until after 10?
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 13, 2022, 07:40:52 PM
Did Costello not flick the ball over the fence to waste time?
Cassidy is a terrible referee, terrible, but I don't think he had a choice there.
I think Cassidy could have chosen to ignore the encounter. It was that type of thing in a hot blooded encounter best ignored by a ref.
Gooch just showed that Tyrone still living rent free in his head lol.
Kerry win by a point, and the analysis is all about how much superior Kerry are. If Keegans shot was a foot to the left, the game was a draw, or if DOCs shot wasn't saved, it was a Mayo win. In either scenario the analysis would be completely different. It's just so lazy - winner is great, loser is bad.
Lazy everything, even Joanne Cantwell said 'Oisín McConville with Darragh'. Ffs it was on the same bloody channel the night before.
How about they got a better forward than yours, we keep that analysis straight forward and simple.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 13, 2022, 11:06:23 PM
How about they got a better forward than yours, we keep that analysis straight forward and simple.
Not denying that at all
The football on display this weekend was seriously shocking. It's like watching basketball on grass
Quote from: full moon on March 14, 2022, 12:19:40 AM
The football on display this weekend was seriously shocking. It's like watching basketball on grass
Weather conditions were poor, but Armagh certainly delivered long foot passes.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2022, 11:00:50 PM
Kerry win by a point, and the analysis is all about how much superior Kerry are. If Keegans shot was a foot to the left, the game was a draw, or if DOCs shot wasn't saved, it was a Mayo win. In either scenario the analysis would be completely different. It's just so lazy - winner is great, loser is bad.
There is a definitely an unconscious bias in the sports media and especially in RTE about the natural genius of Kerry football. However one All Ireland in 12 years suggests something else.
Armagh got about 15 seconds.
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Quote from: Tubberman on March 13, 2022, 11:00:50 PM
Kerry win by a point, and the analysis is all about how much superior Kerry are. If Keegans shot was a foot to the left, the game was a draw, or if DOCs shot wasn't saved, it was a Mayo win. In either scenario the analysis would be completely different. It's just so lazy - winner is great, loser is bad.
There is a definitely an unconscious bias in the sports media and especially in RTE about the natural genius of Kerry football. However one All Ireland in 12 years suggests something else.
Doesn't help that RTE have a kerry pundit for most live games or highlights show.
Quote from: Average Score on March 14, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
Armagh got about 15 seconds.
And seem to be getting less coverage each week. League Sunday is poor, not a good presenter or analysts, and definitely a disregard for northern teams. Same with their GAA Podcast, usually a cursory mention of northern teams at best.
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Quote from: Average Score on March 14, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
Armagh got about 15 seconds.
And seem to be getting less coverage each week. League Sunday is poor, not a good presenter or analysts, and definitely a disregard for northern teams. Same with their GAA Podcast, usually a cursory mention of northern teams at best.
What little coverage there was of the game was nearly all Kildare too. You'd be forgiven for thinking they'd won the game.
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Quote from: Average Score on March 14, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
Armagh got about 15 seconds.
And seem to be getting less coverage each week. League Sunday is poor, not a good presenter or analysts, and definitely a disregard for northern teams. Same with their GAA Podcast, usually a cursory mention of northern teams at best.
Understatement she is to presenting what McQuillan is to refereeing.
QuoteKerry win by a point, and the analysis is all about how much superior Kerry are. If Keegans shot was a foot to the left, the game was a draw, or if DOCs shot wasn't saved, it was a Mayo win. In either scenario the analysis would be completely different. It's just so lazy - winner is great, loser is bad.
Agreed, no mention of how useless the ref was (for both teams, backs weren't given a chance, touch a lad and it was a free in).
No mention of the kids coming on the field which forced the ref to blow early. Also no mention of cliffords phantom point.
G take your beating, instead moaning flat out about it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 14, 2022, 09:46:50 AM
G take your beating, instead moaning flat out about it.
Nobody has complained about the result. Just pointing out how poor the RTE analysis is.
Quote from: full moon on March 14, 2022, 12:19:40 AM
The football on display this weekend was seriously shocking. It's like watching basketball on grass
100% poor skills on show all over. Lateral passing across the half forward line, etc, etc. What's more, we are forced to look at again on Sunday game! Too much analysis of these league games. Sicken yer hole.
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Quote from: full moon on March 14, 2022, 12:19:40 AM
The football on display this weekend was seriously shocking. It's like watching basketball on grass
100% poor skills on show all over. Lateral passing across the half forward line, etc, etc. What's more, we are forced to look at again on Sunday game! Too much analysis of these league games. Sicken yer hole.
Watch the coverage on TG4 and make your own analysis, there is no insight really into the game that someone else is going to give you any better if you've played the game..
I think it is obvious that our bubble has burst but not in the way many would like to think. We ended up the media darlings last year after 18 years of being the bad guy. We win a great all Ireland playing swashbuckling exciting football, Goals and points as good as you will see. A skillfull and manly approach and then the guys are articulate, clever, charming and inspirational. We were charming the boots of the media, RTE and the press and even the referees seemed to give us a fair break.
And now.. the mealy wormed fawning has ended, the media mask has slipped.... what we are now seeing is that everyone is a lot more comfortable with Tyrone being the bad guys. Punish them, then punish them more. Hey send them all off, why dont you.. It is Tyrone.
How dare Tyrone be articulate, charming and the good guys in football..... We will show them.. We will take them down a peg or 2. The GAA media world needs a fall guy. Tyrone cant be allowed to stay at the top. Looks like they have one again... Get back in your box Tyrone.
Quote from: Average Score on March 14, 2022, 08:18:44 AM
Armagh got about 15 seconds.
actually shocking the coverage of armagh/kildare
actually think the analysis is simply lazy on rte.
mayo could of gotten at least a draw against kerry if not for a lazy takle by o shea,
but sure kerry are great etc
Quote from: rrhf on March 14, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
I think it is obvious that our bubble has burst but not in the way many would like to think. We ended up the media darlings last year after 18 years of being the bad guy. We win a great all Ireland playing swashbuckling exciting football, Goals and points as good as you will see. A skillfull and manly approach and then the guys are articulate, clever, charming and inspirational. We were charming the boots of the media, RTE and the press and even the referees seemed to give us a fair break.
And now.. the mealy wormed fawning has ended, the media mask has slipped.... what we are now seeing is that everyone is a lot more comfortable with Tyrone being the bad guys. Punish them, then punish them more. Hey send them all off, why dont you.. It is Tyrone.
How dare Tyrone be articulate, charming and the good guys in football..... We will show them.. We will take them down a peg or 2. The GAA media world needs a fall guy. Tyrone cant be allowed to stay at the top. Looks like they have one again... Get back in your box Tyrone.
;D ;D Where do you start.
Quote from: rrhf on March 14, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
I think it is obvious that our bubble has burst but not in the way many would like to think. We ended up the media darlings last year after 18 years of being the bad guy. We win a great all Ireland playing swashbuckling exciting football, Goals and points as good as you will see. A skillfull and manly approach and then the guys are articulate, clever, charming and inspirational. We were charming the boots of the media, RTE and the press and even the referees seemed to give us a fair break.
And now.. the mealy wormed fawning has ended, the media mask has slipped.... what we are now seeing is that everyone is a lot more comfortable with Tyrone being the bad guys. Punish them, then punish them more. Hey send them all off, why dont you.. It is Tyrone.
How dare Tyrone be articulate, charming and the good guys in football..... We will show them.. We will take them down a peg or 2. The GAA media world needs a fall guy. Tyrone cant be allowed to stay at the top. Looks like they have one again... Get back in your box Tyrone.
Someone forgot to take their tablets, Tyrone aren't bad guys, they are a yellow bunch of cheating feckers and have been since Mickey took over.
thought hampsey was hard done by for the black card but genuinely though mc kiernan should have been sent off for the punch into teh ribs.
he so knew what he was doing and it was a cheap shot.
still fancy tyrone to beat mayo this weekend
Quote from: Whishtup on March 14, 2022, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: full moon on March 14, 2022, 12:19:40 AM
The football on display this weekend was seriously shocking. It's like watching basketball on grass
100% poor skills on show all over. Lateral passing across the half forward line, etc, etc. What's more, we are forced to look at again on Sunday game! Too much analysis of these league games. Sicken yer hole.
I find it impossible to watch 2 games of gaelic football on the TV back to back now. It is a drain at times watching the amount of handpassing with slow lateral build up play. Increasingly it is hard to watch a lot of the games unless it is your own club or county involved. Watch any gaelic football match live now and just sit back and observe how passive the crowds are. Long spells of possession play have people bored stiff and unless the GAA do something about it, the crowds will eventually suffer.
Thought it was just me, getting grumpier with age. Football's hard to watch these days. The endless hand passing and passing the ball across and back the pitch is sucking the life out of it. I can understand teams don't want to kick the ball or run it into a packed defence but there are a few teams who frustratingly won't go for the score when it's on. It seems the shooting opportunity has be almost 100% assured of a score.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 14, 2022, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on March 14, 2022, 10:07:02 AM
Quote from: full moon on March 14, 2022, 12:19:40 AM
The football on display this weekend was seriously shocking. It's like watching basketball on grass
100% poor skills on show all over. Lateral passing across the half forward line, etc, etc. What's more, we are forced to look at again on Sunday game! Too much analysis of these league games. Sicken yer hole.
I find it impossible to watch 2 games of gaelic football on the TV back to back now. It is a drain at times watching the amount of handpassing with slow lateral build up play. Increasingly it is hard to watch a lot of the games unless it is your own club or county involved. Watch any gaelic football match live now and just sit back and observe how passive the crowds are. Long spells of possession play have people bored stiff and unless the GAA do something about it, the crowds will eventually suffer.
My own county are up there among the primary offenders, but in our case is more a case of lack of quality than some like, say, Dublin, who use the back and forth across the field as a tactic to kill the game when ahead.
We were badly hampered by the absence of important players in the front eight yesterday, but it was still demoralizing as f**k to watch our complete ineptitude.
Bonner stuck a young lad, Charles McGuinness, up front in the absence of Murphy, Brennan, Gallen, Langan etc. This lad has done very well for Glenties as a big target man, but even with the wind in the first half, we didn't send a single long ball up the field to see if he could at least compete at this level. I honestly don't remember him touching the ball before he got subbed at half time. And it was not like our attempts to run the ball were creating anything. It was just back and forth across the field before either the Monaghan backs would turn it over or someone would eventually try a long wonder score which was never going to work in those conditions.
I watched because it was Donegal. Otherwise I would have switched off after 20 minutes when it was clear Monaghan, no great shakes themselves, were going to stroll to a win against our laboured cluelessness.
Quote from: Armamike on March 14, 2022, 12:37:59 PM
Thought it was just me, getting grumpier with age. Football's hard to watch these days. The endless hand passing and passing the ball across and back the pitch is sucking the life out of it. I can understand teams don't want to kick the ball or run it into a packed defence but there are a few teams who frustratingly won't go for the score when it's on. It seems the shooting opportunity has be almost 100% assured of a score.
Ban the handpass
or indeed hop it single handed two touch from the one palm only like the hurling one. With the large ball it will only ever be used in an emergency.
Are most of you on your period FFS?. We got drama, we got excitement, we got bad calls by Ref's, we got some great skills (and some not so great) all in a weekend of terrible weather. Wasn't all that bad guys.
Dublin won and with players back should win their last two games (but who knows)
Tyrone lost and are in a spot of bother but if there's a team to pull something out of the bag it'll be them
Armagh won and are now safe from relegation
Kildare lost but showed good fight, will struggle to stay up
Donegal lost and are struggling but on their day can beat anyone
Monaghan won and can only compare them to hyena's, hungry scavengers who don't know when they're beat
Kerry won again but are in for rough Sunday next week
Mayo lost but could have won/drawn. You can't win all the tight games (see 2 weeks ago)
Cheer up lads...sure it's only a bit of craic.
Was gonna compare the teams to animals for a bit of fun but saying most of you are not in great form...
Quote from: rrhf on March 14, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
I think it is obvious that our bubble has burst but not in the way many would like to think. We ended up the media darlings last year after 18 years of being the bad guy. We win a great all Ireland playing swashbuckling exciting football, Goals and points as good as you will see. A skillfull and manly approach and then the guys are articulate, clever, charming and inspirational. We were charming the boots of the media, RTE and the press and even the referees seemed to give us a fair break.
And now.. the mealy wormed fawning has ended, the media mask has slipped.... what we are now seeing is that everyone is a lot more comfortable with Tyrone being the bad guys. Punish them, then punish them more. Hey send them all off, why dont you.. It is Tyrone.
How dare Tyrone be articulate, charming and the good guys in football..... We will show them.. We will take them down a peg or 2. The GAA media world needs a fall guy. Tyrone cant be allowed to stay at the top. Looks like they have one again... Get back in your box Tyrone.
I think this is the best post I've ever seen on this board
Quote from: illdecide on March 14, 2022, 01:42:23 PM
Are most of you on your period FFS?. We got drama, we got excitement, we got bad calls by Ref's, we got some great skills (and some not so great) all in a weekend of terrible weather. Wasn't all that bad guys.
Dublin won and with players back should win their last two games (but who knows)
Tyrone lost and are in a spot of bother but if there's a team to pull something out of the bag it'll be them
Armagh won and are now safe from relegation
Kildare lost but showed good fight, will struggle to stay up
Donegal lost and are struggling but on their day can beat anyone
Monaghan won and can only compare them to hyena's, hungry scavengers who don't know when they're beat
Kerry won again but are in for rough Sunday next week
Mayo lost but could have won/drawn. You can't win all the tight games (see 2 weeks ago)
Cheer up lads...sure it's only a bit of craic.
Was gonna compare the teams to animals for a bit of fun but saying most of you are not in great form...
Awk!! You left out Antrim could (COULD) be joining Tyrone next year in the league ;)
I think its a fair presumption any one giving out about the quality of games this week end was sitting at home in front of the Fire .
Quote from: illdecide on March 14, 2022, 01:42:23 PM
Are most of you on your period FFS?. We got drama, we got excitement, we got bad calls by Ref's, we got some great skills (and some not so great) all in a weekend of terrible weather. Wasn't all that bad guys.
Dublin won and with players back should win their last two games (but who knows)
Tyrone lost and are in a spot of bother but if there's a team to pull something out of the bag it'll be them
Armagh won and are now safe from relegation
Kildare lost but showed good fight, will struggle to stay up
Donegal lost and are struggling but on their day can beat anyone
Monaghan won and can only compare them to hyena's, hungry scavengers who don't know when they're beat
Kerry won again but are in for rough Sunday next week
Mayo lost but could have won/drawn. You can't win all the tight games (see 2 weeks ago)
Cheer up lads...sure it's only a bit of craic.
Was gonna compare the teams to animals for a bit of fun but saying most of you are not in great form...
that would make you a Pussy :)
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Quote from: illdecide on March 14, 2022, 01:42:23 PM
Are most of you on your period FFS?. We got drama, we got excitement, we got bad calls by Ref's, we got some great skills (and some not so great) all in a weekend of terrible weather. Wasn't all that bad guys.
Dublin won and with players back should win their last two games (but who knows)
Tyrone lost and are in a spot of bother but if there's a team to pull something out of the bag it'll be them
Armagh won and are now safe from relegation
Kildare lost but showed good fight, will struggle to stay up
Donegal lost and are struggling but on their day can beat anyone
Monaghan won and can only compare them to hyena's, hungry scavengers who don't know when they're beat
Kerry won again but are in for rough Sunday next week
Mayo lost but could have won/drawn. You can't win all the tight games (see 2 weeks ago)
Cheer up lads...sure it's only a bit of craic.
Was gonna compare the teams to animals for a bit of fun but saying most of you are not in great form...
that would make you a Pussy :)
Tiger?
Did you see the last minute of the Derry game?...If ever there was a complaint to make that was it...Wow.
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Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Is your issue that Costello fell over? He was wearing studs, standing on concrete and got a shoulder into the chest. I'd challenge anyone not to fall over.
What was he at though? He squared up to Hampsey as he came in to retrieve, so tough shit I'd say.
You are a bit of a disease on this forum.
Fair enough to have a pop at Costello's cynicism in palming the ball away. But the idea that he squared up to Hampsey is a figment of your imagination. Was he not walking back through the gate when Hampsey hit him? No more.
He is under no obligation to retrieve the ball. The insinuation that a player that does not retrieve a ball is fair game for a dig is bollocks of the first order.
Watching the game and maybe making the odd sensible comment is enough for most. If your mind needs something else try sudoku. But don't poison this place with your shite
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Is your issue that Costello fell over? He was wearing studs, standing on concrete and got a shoulder into the chest. I'd challenge anyone not to fall over.
What was he at though? He squared up to Hampsey as he came in to retrieve, so tough shit I'd say.
You are a bit of a disease on this forum.
Fair enough to have a pop at Costello's cynicism in palming the ball away. But the idea that he squared up to Hampsey is a figment of your imagination. Was he not walking back through the gate when Hampsey hit him? No more.
He is under no obligation to retrieve the ball. The insinuation that a player that does not retrieve a ball is fair game for a dig is bollocks of the first order.
Watching the game and maybe making the odd sensible comment is enough for most. If your mind needs something else try sudoku. But don't poison this place with your shite
Ah now you can clearly see from the video at around 45 seconds that costello dropped the shoulder waiting for hamspey to shoulder him.
https://twitter.com/RTEgaa/status/1503139064228286464?t=TXZWxC7xIaKs3_cSAvWWpA&s=19
Again it was stupid of hamspey to do so.
I thought he did too and you could see the moment of shit I have lost my feet here lol. I think he goaded him and Hampsey fell for it tbh.
Also you could see he hurt the back on it as you would expect.
I thought Hampsey deserved the yellow but Costello probably deserved the shoulder too :D
Quote from: naka on March 14, 2022, 12:21:47 PM
thought hampsey was hard done by for the black card but genuinely though mc kiernan should have been sent off for the punch into teh ribs.
he so knew what he was doing and it was a cheap shot.
still fancy tyrone to beat mayo this weekend
Hampsey's black card was pretty much close to be the exact definition of a black card offence.
Quote5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Paddy Power have Dublin, Kildare, Tyrone all at 4/6 to be relegated with Monaghan at 9/4 with Donegal at 14/1
For the two teams relegated from Division 1, the quality of Division 2 next year looks like it could be very average with the other 6 teams being made up from
1 of Galway, Derry, Roscommon
3 from Clare, Meath, Offaly, Down, Cork
2 from Louth, Antrim, Westmeath, Limerick, Fermanagh
Dublin and Tyrone would likely run through the Division like a hot knife if they went down and both Kildare and Monaghan would fancy their chances at promotion fairly highly.
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Quote from: naka on March 14, 2022, 12:21:47 PM
thought hampsey was hard done by for the black card but genuinely though mc kiernan should have been sent off for the punch into teh ribs.
he so knew what he was doing and it was a cheap shot.
still fancy tyrone to beat mayo this weekend
Hampsey's black card was pretty much close to be the exact definition of a black card offence.
Quote5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Hampsey's block is the exact definition of a black card offence.
Imo he shouldn't have been yellow carded, we see that time wasting/prevent-the-fast-free stuff in most every game, the ref could have moved the ball forward as is common practice when players pull that stroke on the pitch.
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Quote from: naka on March 14, 2022, 12:21:47 PM
thought hampsey was hard done by for the black card but genuinely though mc kiernan should have been sent off for the punch into teh ribs.
he so knew what he was doing and it was a cheap shot.
still fancy tyrone to beat mayo this weekend
Hampsey's black card was pretty much close to be the exact definition of a black card offence.
Quote5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Hampsey's block is the exact definition of a black card offence.
Imo he shouldn't have been yellow carded, we see that time wasting/prevent-the-fast-free stuff in most every game, the ref could have moved the ball forward as is common practice when players pull that stroke on the pitch.
Preventing or obstructing a sideline is a free and the ball is moved forward into 13 metres more favourable positions. Shoulder someone off the ball is also a yellow card by the book.
Personally I'd have awarded a free in then after the shoulder gave a hop ball and noted Hampsey. But thats why I'm not an inter county ref ;D
Could he have been done for dangerous play?
Is there such an offense?
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Quote from: naka on March 14, 2022, 12:21:47 PM
thought hampsey was hard done by for the black card but genuinely though mc kiernan should have been sent off for the punch into teh ribs.
he so knew what he was doing and it was a cheap shot.
still fancy tyrone to beat mayo this weekend
Hampsey's black card was pretty much close to be the exact definition of a black card offence.
Quote5.12 To deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement of play.
Hampsey's block is the exact definition of a black card offence.
Imo he shouldn't have been yellow carded, we see that time wasting/prevent-the-fast-free stuff in most every game, the ref could have moved the ball forward as is common practice when players pull that stroke on the pitch.
I've no problem with the yellow card.
I don't think because time wasting/prevent-the-fast-free stuff in most every game isn't properly punished refs should start letting blatantly stupid stuff carry-on go.
If anything time wasting/prevent-the-fast-free behaviour needs harsher punishments, as it's clear that the current punishments aren't stopping players from doing it.
I'd be in favour of upgrading a whole range of offences to red cards if they are committed after the whistle is gone.
There's a whole range of niggly stupid stuff that players get away with after the whistle is gone.
If players knew that any stupid behaviour after the whistle was a red card offence, it would vanish overnight.
Quote from: whitey on March 14, 2022, 07:42:29 PM
Could he have been done for dangerous play?
Is there such an offense?
5.17 To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent
It's a red card offence.
For those who don't think what Hampsey did was a yellow card offence
Quote5.7 (a) To charge an opponent in the back or to the front.
Quote(b) To charge an opponent :
(i) who is not in possession of the ball, or
(ii) is in the act of kicking the ball, or
(iii) If both players are not moving in the direction of the ball to play it
Charge is the rule-book word for shoulder.
This is the rule that defines it
QuoteProvided that he has at least one foot on the ground, a player may make a shoulder to shoulder charge on an opponent-
(a) who is in possession of the ball, or
(b) who is playing the ball, or
(c) when both players are moving in the direction of the ball to play it
There is no way that a yellow card wasn't the correct decision by the ref.
Players know the rules, I just think the stupidity of some of them is coming to the fore. Instead arguing about them been booked or send off. Maybe it be better they owned their mistakes.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2022, 07:13:12 PM
Who's to say they wouldn't have scored them anyways? Hampsey then on that lost the game for his county by being stupid, not once but twice
So you would have yellow carded Hampsey too for Costello acting the prat?
Is your issue that Costello fell over? He was wearing studs, standing on concrete and got a shoulder into the chest. I'd challenge anyone not to fall over.
What was he at though? He squared up to Hampsey as he came in to retrieve, so tough shit I'd say.
You are a bit of a disease on this forum.
Fair enough to have a pop at Costello's cynicism in palming the ball away. But the idea that he squared up to Hampsey is a figment of your imagination. Was he not walking back through the gate when Hampsey hit him? No more.
He is under no obligation to retrieve the ball. The insinuation that a player that does not retrieve a ball is fair game for a dig is bollocks of the first order.
Watching the game and maybe making the odd sensible comment is enough for most. If your mind needs something else try sudoku. But don't poison this place with your shite
Don't hold back there Barry, let it all out! :P
Costello knew the score in that situation, and to assume anything else is naïve, IMHO, though Hampsey shouldn't have allowed himself to be suckered there either.
What happens when management and supporters accept trampish behaviour.
Hampsey got suckered by nobody, there was no need to shoulder him off the ball. What he trying to proof. For a matter I can't understand all this off the ball shouldering anyway, what's the point players are trying to proof. Look at me am so tough, go try boxing if that's your thing. What was seen as macho years ago, was getting straight up after been put in row z by a tackle if u could manage it. Now a simple flick they lying down trying to get players booked or send off. Players no respect for each other.
Costello who had deliberately flicked the ball away, received a dunt to get him out of the way of retrieving the ball, an unprepared and unawares Costello went flying as if he was on an ice rink losing his marbles (just how long did he stay down for?). If Costello was on the pitch he probably would have stood his ground, there would have been no punishment.
On the pitch, the player who obstructs the free kick is punished and the player who vigorously tries to retrieve the ball is seen as justified.
Unless there are theatrical simulations that fool the ref, there are no cards, the ball is simply moved forward.
Now there are calls to book a player for shunting another player with a shoulder or outstretched palms, as the game is played now that would equate to just having the 2 goalkeepers left standing.
Costello was on studs. On concrete. On a rainy day. Might as well have been on an ice rink.
The camera didn't pick up what happened to him once he hit the deck. Might have banged his head, might have hurt his hip/arse area. If you've fallen on icy concrete, you have some idea of what can happen.
Costello might have been pretending. He might have hurt something, the way you do when you fall on slippery concrete.
Nobody here knows, because the camera was blocked off. So accusing him of feigning injury is, quite frankly, ridiculous.
Catch a grip Main Street, Costello was not in his way from retrieving the ball, he was coming through the gate. So much deflection on who's fault it was, here by blinkered supporters
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Did he collide with the player after the ball was played?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2022, 07:23:32 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Did he collide with the player after the ball was played?
Does it matter? The black card is being applied far too easily. The whole point of it was to penalise cynical play. Hampsey's was a mistimed tackle on a man who was out of play. Play should have continued if Dublin had an advantage and if anything Hampsey booked for a late hit if it was considered deliberate. The way boys on here are talking and the way Tyrone are being refereed all physicality is going to be removed from the game - is it any wonder the atmosphere is being diluted.
And i know referees love to come on quoting rules in the book but for the game to function in any way there has to be a bit of common sense applied.
Tyrone folk complaining about the black card, you couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 07:59:56 AM
Tyrone folk complaining about the black card, you couldn't make it up.
To be fair Armagh aren't usually in the championship long enough for anyone to notice or care about their black cards.
Bless the Tyrone folk really take it to heart when their trampish behaviour is called out, poor Fergal can't even get a black card rescinded on the day. ;D
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:19:04 AM
Bless the Tyrone folk really take it to heart when their trampish behaviour is called out, poor Fergal can't even get a black card rescinded on the day. ;D
You can see the slow escalation in attempts for attention. No doubt standard mental breakdown, ban and reincarnation will follow shortly. 😂
The irony of this place is astonishing someone one with 2500 posts claims someone with 70 is attention seeking. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:27:52 AM
The irony of this place is astonishing someone one with 2500 posts claims someone with 70 is attention seeking. ;D ;D ;D
Do you want to add up all posts from your previous profiles before you took a hissy fit each time and got banned?
😂
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Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Did he collide with the player after the ball was played?
Does it matter? The black card is being applied far too easily. The whole point of it was to penalise cynical play. Hampsey's was a mistimed tackle on a man who was out of play. Play should have continued if Dublin had an advantage and if anything Hampsey booked for a late hit if it was considered deliberate. The way boys on here are talking and the way Tyrone are being refereed all physicality is going to be removed from the game - is it any wonder the atmosphere is being diluted.
And i know referees love to come on quoting rules in the book but for the game to function in any way there has to be a bit of common sense applied.
So no rule book just common sense? So had a Dub player dumped a Tyrone lad on his arse you'd have told the Tyrone lad to man up and he deserved it for not shouldering back?
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 15, 2022, 07:23:32 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Did he collide with the player after the ball was played?
Yes literally 1 second after ball was played. If that is a back card then there would be no one left on the pitch as there are numerous slightly late tackles in every game.
He should have gotten a yellow and the outcome would be the same as he still would have been sent off. Overall it didn't matter but I struggled to see how a fraction late tackle is the same as going out of your way to cynically take a player out of the game or to deliberately pull a player down.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Did he collide with the player after the ball was played?
Does it matter? The black card is being applied far too easily. The whole point of it was to penalise cynical play. Hampsey's was a mistimed tackle on a man who was out of play. Play should have continued if Dublin had an advantage and if anything Hampsey booked for a late hit if it was considered deliberate. The way boys on here are talking and the way Tyrone are being refereed all physicality is going to be removed from the game - is it any wonder the atmosphere is being diluted.
And i know referees love to come on quoting rules in the book but for the game to function in any way there has to be a bit of common sense applied.
So no rule book just common sense? So had a Dub player dumped a Tyrone lad on his arse you'd have told the Tyrone lad to man up and he deserved it for not shouldering back?
I'm referring to the black card incident and the use of it, not the shoulder that he got the second yellow for. The black card was not brought in for mistimed tackles on the ball. It was brought it to cut cynicism such as a pull down of someone through on goal or pulling down/blocking a run of the ball.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 15, 2022, 06:56:32 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 15, 2022, 02:56:18 AM
Hampsey was stupid and he let his team down, not once, but twice.
Just rewatched the black card incident again there. That was a bad decision. There was 1 second between the dub player laying off the ball before paudie shoulder. How was he supposed to stop as he was running to shoulder the player legally. If the dub player held onto the ball for 1 second more it would have been a perfect tackle
Did he collide with the player after the ball was played?
Does it matter? The black card is being applied far too easily. The whole point of it was to penalise cynical play. Hampsey's was a mistimed tackle on a man who was out of play. Play should have continued if Dublin had an advantage and if anything Hampsey booked for a late hit if it was considered deliberate. The way boys on here are talking and the way Tyrone are being refereed all physicality is going to be removed from the game - is it any wonder the atmosphere is being diluted.
And i know referees love to come on quoting rules in the book but for the game to function in any way there has to be a bit of common sense applied.
So no rule book just common sense? So had a Dub player dumped a Tyrone lad on his arse you'd have told the Tyrone lad to man up and he deserved it for not shouldering back?
I'm referring to the black card incident and the use of it, not the shoulder that he got the second yellow for. The black card was not brought in for mistimed tackles on the ball. It was brought it to cut cynicism such as a pull down of someone through on goal or pulling down/blocking a run of the ball.
I'd agree with you but by the book it's a black card. Rule book needs burned though because that was barely a foul never mind a black card.
Any Monaghan folk here? I have no clue how it will pan out on Sunday but there are calls for a lot of changes on the Kildare forum but we do tend to so feckin up and down we might be on a good day next week...
Christ, I just want to see the team play on a half-decent day that doesn't involve mud and hailstones with winds swirling around...
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Any Monaghan folk here? I have no clue how it will pan out on Sunday but there are calls for a lot of changes on the Kildare forum but we do tend to so feckin up and down we might be on a good day next week...
Christ, I just want to see the team play on a half-decent day that doesn't involve mud and hailstones with winds swirling around...
From watching you last week- Flynn would really need to up his game for you's to stand a chance, was kept almost totally out of the game last week. Whoever was on Rian O'Neill last week did a superb job as good as there has been all year, think it was the number 3. Your half forward line was impressive especially number 11.
Hopefully the weather picks up for all games at the weekend anyway.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 15, 2022, 10:31:11 AM
Any Monaghan folk here? I have no clue how it will pan out on Sunday but there are calls for a lot of changes on the Kildare forum but we do tend to so feckin up and down we might be on a good day next week...
Christ, I just want to see the team play on a half-decent day that doesn't involve mud and hailstones with winds swirling around...
Hard to know how that game will go, I've been impressed with Kildare this year and they're a tough nut to crack at home so it's a big challenge for Monaghan. Very happy we were finally able to take the majority of our chances against Donegal and get a deserved win - with the exception of the disaster against Kerry, we could have won any of our other games but were so wasteful that we paid for it. Hoping this win will give us a boost, but honestly we're so up and down ourselves that who knows.
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Isn't that exactly what Forker did to get McManus sent off? Red card rescinded on video evidence.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 15, 2022, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Isn't that exactly what Forker did to get McManus sent off? Red card rescinded on video evidence.
that never should have been rescinded. Have seen footage of a clear strike. Yes Forker went down easily but a punch is a punch.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 15, 2022, 09:12:51 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 15, 2022, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Isn't that exactly what Forker did to get McManus sent off? Red card rescinded on video evidence.
that never should have been rescinded. Have seen footage of a clear strike. Yes Forker went down easily but a punch is a punch.
Finally an Armagh man who agrees that Diarmuid Marsden deserved his red card in 2003.
A punch is a punch.
Am assuming you were a glint in your da's eye in 2003.
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Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Isn't that exactly what Forker did to get McManus sent off? Red card rescinded on video evidence.
that never should have been rescinded. Have seen footage of a clear strike. Yes Forker went down easily but a punch is a punch.
Finally an Armagh man who agrees that Diarmuid Marsden deserved his red card in 2003.
A punch is a punch.
Isn't it a bit late to be still fishing?
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Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Isn't that exactly what Forker did to get McManus sent off? Red card rescinded on video evidence.
that never should have been rescinded. Have seen footage of a clear strike. Yes Forker went down easily but a punch is a punch.
Finally an Armagh man who agrees that Diarmuid Marsden deserved his red card in 2003.
A punch is a punch.
Isn't it a bit late to be still fishing?
Forker is not a man.
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Quote from: Redhand Santa on March 15, 2022, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 15, 2022, 08:53:46 AM
The Tyrone lad would still be rolling around holding his face.
Isn't that exactly what Forker did to get McManus sent off? Red card rescinded on video evidence.
that never should have been rescinded. Have seen footage of a clear strike. Yes Forker went down easily but a punch is a punch.
Finally an Armagh man who agrees that Diarmuid Marsden deserved his red card in 2003.
A punch is a punch.
Isn't it a bit late to be still fishing?
Forker is not a man.
Am assuming you were pished posting this, otherwise take a serious redner.
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2022, 03:17:18 AM
Forker is not a man.
Well that certainly gives us an insight into the quality of your contributions.
That is just rank poor.
Quote from: LCohen on March 16, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2022, 03:17:18 AM
Forker is not a man.
Well that certainly gives us an insight into the quality of your contributions.
That is just rank poor.
Is it not just a Brollyism?
To give the benefit of the doubt is this not a Brollyism that he's taking the piss with...
Some asshole comments are Brollyisms and some are not.
Main Street chose to post what he posted. I don't think it does this forum any harm if those making dickhead comments are called out for being dickheads.
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Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2022, 03:17:18 AM
Forker is not a man.
Well that certainly gives us an insight into the quality of your contributions.
That is just rank poor.
Is it not just a Brollyism?
Yes. Bit embarrassing not to see that. Or just over sensitive apples?
Amazing when people are called out how their warrior chums try to back them up. The only one should be embarrassed is the tool who made the comment.
Quote from: Average Score on March 16, 2022, 10:21:49 AM
Amazing when people are called out how their warrior chums try to back them up. The only one should be embarrassed is the tool who made the comment.
It was over your head. Don't worry. You'll know for next time.
Bless more than one person should be taking the redner.
Quote from: LCohen on March 16, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Some asshole comments are Brollyisms and some are not.
Main Street chose to post what he posted. I don't think it does this forum any harm if those making dickhead comments are called out for being dickheads.
but all brollyisms are arsehole comments
Quote from: rosnarun on March 16, 2022, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 16, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Some asshole comments are Brollyisms and some are not.
Main Street chose to post what he posted. I don't think it does this forum any harm if those making dickhead comments are called out for being dickheads.
but all brollyisms are arsehole comments
True! ;D
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5. Oisín Mullin
6. Aidan O’Shea
7. Stephen Coen
8. Jordan Flynn
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Aidan O'Shea at centre half back a interest one. Jason Doherty back after injury but still no Cillian O'Connor a injury setback?
Padraig O’Hora, Paddy Durcan, Diarmuid O’Connor three big game players missing from the 26 also.
A Mayo lineup that suggests Horan isn't all that pushed about getting to a league final I think given it's a first time full-back and a first time centre-back.
While Kerry might welcome a League Final, Armagh and Mayo might have no interest in it, as they have a Provincial championship to face.
Given one (or maybe both) of Galway and Roscommon will be in the Division 2 final, should Horan not go for it anyway?
Quote from: JoG2 on March 16, 2022, 09:50:23 AM
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Quote from: Main Street on March 16, 2022, 03:17:18 AM
Forker is not a man.
Well that certainly gives us an insight into the quality of your contributions.
That is just rank poor.
Is it not just a Brollyism?
Yes indeed, it was a glaringly obvious písstake on one of the most infamous Brolly comments of all time 'he's not a man' after Big Sean cruelly took down the saintly McManus.
Some of you Nordies are beyond redemption ;D
Missed the barn door from 2 paces out.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 16, 2022, 09:34:03 PM
While Kerry might welcome a League Final, Armagh and Mayo might have no interest in it, as they have a Provincial championship to face.
McGeeney can hardly afford to turn his nose up at the chance for any silverware.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 16, 2022, 10:29:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 16, 2022, 09:34:03 PM
While Kerry might welcome a League Final, Armagh and Mayo might have no interest in it, as they have a Provincial championship to face.
McGeeney can hardly afford to turn his nose up at the chance for any silverware.
Division 1 status is secured. Personally, I wouldn't care about a league final, there are too many risks. Need to set our sights on the championship where our record is abysmal.
I think James Horan is a super manager. But one criticism that may have been fairly laid at him (IMO) from his first jaunt was he didn't appreciate how good Parsons was in the really big games. I wonder does the same apply now to O'Hora.
If Gaelic football was truly international, I'd have O'Hora as one of Ireland's corner backs, but I think Horan is unsure as to whether he's worth a starting position for Mayo.
Quote from: Hound on March 18, 2022, 11:01:09 PM
I think James Horan is a super manager. But one criticism that may have been fairly laid at him (IMO) from his first jaunt was he didn't appreciate how good Parsons was in the really big games. I wonder does the same apply now to O'Hora.
If Gaelic football was truly international, I'd have O'Hora as one of Ireland's corner backs, but I think Horan is unsure as to whether he's worth a starting position for Mayo.
I knew James Horan and he was always a smart man. What you say about Parsons was not totally true. In 2011-13 Parsons was not available to the Mayo squad. In 2014 Horan had to bend backwards to accommodate him.
O'Hora is a warrior, a decent player and probably a good lad in the dressing room and on the pitch. Not sure he's the best in the land in his position though. When things go good for O'Hora they go good, but he can drift out of games.
He has a high profile from Hell Week and from is interview post beating the Dubs last year! He is a larger than life character and this can cloud peoples perception of him as a footballer.
No David Clifford or Sean O'Shea a decent chance for Armagh to end Kerrys unbeaten run.
Quote from: Hound on March 18, 2022, 11:01:09 PM
I think James Horan is a super manager. But one criticism that may have been fairly laid at him (IMO) from his first jaunt was he didn't appreciate how good Parsons was in the really big games. I wonder does the same apply now to O'Hora.
If Gaelic football was truly international, I'd have O'Hora as one of Ireland's corner backs, but I think Horan is unsure as to whether he's worth a starting position for Mayo.
Interesting to hear your opinion on this. I think O'Hora has a lot of great qualities - tough, tigrish, sticky corner back - and has taken some of Colm Boyle's mantle as the fans favourite, however I think he can get technically caught out quite often. Against Dublin last year (I think) he was one on one in front of goal and miraculously came out with the ball. I think he got lucky as he was on the wrong side and I still can't figure out how he did it. Not long before he was taken off in the same game he took off up the field being chased by 2 players and managed to battle for long enough to win a free. He was lucky here again because he had gone down a dead end and there was nowhere to go if he wasn't fouled.
These may seem like nitpicking when he came out on top on both occasions, and maybe it is better to be able to win when you have no right to, but I think sometimes he makes poor decisions and can seem like making heroic efforts to get out of situations he has put himself in.
That being said, I believe Horan approaches big games by looking for matchups for his defenders against opposition forwards. Swanee will be a good fit to mark certain players but not others.
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Quote from: Hound on March 18, 2022, 11:01:09 PM
I think James Horan is a super manager. But one criticism that may have been fairly laid at him (IMO) from his first jaunt was he didn't appreciate how good Parsons was in the really big games. I wonder does the same apply now to O'Hora.
If Gaelic football was truly international, I'd have O'Hora as one of Ireland's corner backs, but I think Horan is unsure as to whether he's worth a starting position for Mayo.
I knew James Horan and he was always a smart man. What you say about Parsons was not totally true. In 2011-13 Parsons was not available to the Mayo squad. In 2014 Horan had to bend backwards to accommodate him.
O'Hora is a warrior, a decent player and probably a good lad in the dressing room and on the pitch. Not sure he's the best in the land in his position though. When things go good for O'Hora they go good, but he can drift out of games.
He has a high profile from Hell Week and from is interview post beating the Dubs last year! He is a larger than life character and this can cloud peoples perception of him as a footballer.
Totally inaccurate statement.
Horan dropped him from the panel when he took over in 2010.
after losing to Dublin in the all Ireland final in 2013, when it was apparent that Mayo had very very limited reserves in midfield, he invited him back, at that time Tom Parson was working in Wales, and committed from there for a year or more.
I am sure that was a ton of fun commuting back and forth.
Do you still feel that Horan bent over backwards to accommodate him.
Tyrone starting team and subs for tonights game.
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Tyrone should win this by 3/4 points.
Great start for Tyrone 0-5 to no score after 15 minutes. Mayo looking very sluggish thus far.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2022, 05:59:34 PM
Great start for Tyrone 0-5 to no score after 15 minutes. Mayo looking very sluggish thus far.
It a tough breeze out shooting into that . Dublin only got 2 second half points from the fist last week. Tyrone 2 first half points were 21 yard frees.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 19, 2022, 05:59:34 PM
Great start for Tyrone 0-5 to no score after 15 minutes. Mayo looking very sluggish thus far.
Tyrone quite cynical. McShane has had 3 cynical fouls stopping Mayo building from the back and hasn't even had a tick.
Some poor misses from Burns, McGeary and Sludden. Hope we don't rue those.
Should there have been time for that last Mayo attack?
Half time Tyrone 0-8 Mayo 0-3. Took Mayo 24 mins to score and lost Fionn McDonagh to a hamstring injury before the break
That P Harte point was majestic
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 19, 2022, 06:24:33 PM
That P Harte point was majestic
One of the best players in Ireland. So comfortable on the ball always seems to have loads of time. Kennedy/ Kilpatrick duo doing really well. If Tyrone had a little more composure they would be further ahead.
And they take Kennedy off ??!!
Jordan Flynn is playing well.
Conor Meyler having a great game too.
More energy and intensity about Mayo thus far in this 2nd half. 49 mins played Tyrone 0-9 Mayo 0-8
There's only 1 winner here now.
Big score from McCurry. Not many scores from Mayo FF line outside of frees.
10 minutes to play and this game could go either way yet. Tyrone 0-10 Mayo 0-9.
6 minutes of injury time to play. Tyrone 0-11 to 0-9 ahead.
No cards in the game?
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 19, 2022, 07:18:27 PM
No cards in the game?
There you go - Black Card for McLoughlin for a deliberate fall by Niall Morgan.
Important win for Tyrone in their battle to avoid the drop. FT 0-11 to 0-9.
Quote from: clarshack on March 19, 2022, 06:56:29 PM
There's only 1 winner here now.
Glad to be wrong. Mayo were surprisingly poor in the end.
Good theatrics from McKernan at the end there, nice to see he was all smiles as soon as the free was taken.
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2022, 07:22:14 PM
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 19, 2022, 07:18:27 PM
No cards in the game?
There you go - Black Card for McLoughlin for a deliberate fall by Niall Morgan.
A fall is what happens when you are tripped.
Mayo were seriously shot shy out there.
In all honesty would any Tyrone supporter be looking forward to the Championship with any great deal of confidence? They've looked poor throughout the league, something smells off in that camp to me, has done for a while.
It didn't seem like a bed of roses last year either
Quote from: Main Street on March 19, 2022, 07:27:02 PM
Mayo were seriously shot shy out there.
We won't lose any sleep over it! We were shot shy and lost by 2 points!
I didn't watch it in full. Was drawn to the Rugby and doing a few bits in the garden!
Quote from: Main Street on March 19, 2022, 07:27:02 PM
Mayo were seriously shot shy out there.
Tommy Conroy will be sorely missed come championship though still have Cillian O'Connor to come back.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 19, 2022, 07:28:01 PM
In all honesty would any Tyrone supporter be looking forward to the Championship with any great deal of confidence? They've looked poor throughout the league, something smells off in that camp to me, has done for a while.
I would agree. Something does seem off, lots of personnel not playing well. May be a sort season if they don't sort it out quickly
Quote from: From the Bunker on March 19, 2022, 07:31:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 19, 2022, 07:27:02 PM
Mayo were seriously shot shy out there.
We won't lose any sleep over it! We were shot shy and lost by 2 points!
I didn't watch it in full. Was drawn to the Rugby and doing a few bits in the garden!
How can make a comment like that when you did not watch the game.
Personally , our inability to score or even shoot inside 30 yards with a wind would cause me to lose a lot of sleep.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 19, 2022, 07:28:01 PM
In all honesty would any Tyrone supporter be looking forward to the Championship with any great deal of confidence? They've looked poor throughout the league, something smells off in that camp to me, has done for a while.
Players not playing as well as they were last year. Nothing to do with a 'smell'🙄🙄🙄
Judging by the half time analysis and highlights, Tyrone seemed to play very well in the first half. I watched the whole second half and neither team played well. Tyrone probably deserved to hold on, but on the other hand were very lucky not to concede a last gasp goal
Quote from: bennydorano on March 19, 2022, 07:28:01 PM
In all honesty would any Tyrone supporter be looking forward to the Championship with any great deal of confidence? They've looked poor throughout the league, something smells off in that camp to me, has done for a while.
I'd be fairly confident of Tyrone getting to a semi final and as shown last year anything can happen at that stage. Granted there's players out of form at the minute but I think the likes of McGeary and Hampsey can turn that around. I don't think there's any team that have been massively impressive in the league to be honest.
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 19, 2022, 06:45:39 PM
And they take Kennedy off ??!!
He wasn't even on the squad last week and I saw him limping quite heavily. Surprised to even see him line out this evening.
That was a game you could tell was do or die for Tyrone. Mayo will be hard stopped this year.
The team that needs the win usually gets the win
If Kerry lose to Armagh, the league final will likely be between Kerry and Armagh.
Kerry are already in the league final (bar big losses in last 2 games).
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Quote from: Dire Ear on March 19, 2022, 06:45:39 PM
And they take Kennedy off ??!!
He wasn't even on the squad last week and I saw him limping quite heavily. Surprised to even see him line out this evening.
That was a game you could tell was do or die for Tyrone. Mayo will be hard stopped this year.
I don't know about that last sentence at all. Once we come up against a proper organised defence there'll always be a struggle for scores, as shown this evening.
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2022, 10:34:03 PM
If Kerry lose to Armagh, the league final will likely be between Kerry and Armagh.
Kerry are already in the league final (bar big losses in last 2 games).
So Kerry don't try t0o hard tomorrow, and then put manners on Armagh in the final.
Armagh have named a strong team, they could beat Kerry tomorrow, whatever about preventing Kerry retaliation in the the League final.
As a Tyrone fan, I would be quietly confident that we can turn over any team in Ireland. A different team today. Different mentality, discipline. Last ten minutes was like end of the final. Mayo unable to break down the defence. We can do it again.
Quote from: Whishtup on March 20, 2022, 12:02:44 AM
As a Tyrone fan, I would be quietly confident that we can turn over any team in Ireland.
We look forward to new era o
Quote from: WhishtupA different team today. Different mentality, discipline. Last ten minutes was like end of the final. Mayo unable to break down the defence. We can do it again.
Perhaps, but Mayo did not take their chances in that game. They have scope for improvement in their performance.
Are there any games on BBC IPlayer?
Quote from: blanketattack on March 19, 2022, 10:34:03 PM
If Kerry lose to Armagh, the league final will likely be between Kerry and Armagh.
Kerry are already in the league final (bar big losses in last 2 games).
Armagh win today they still need something against Donegal as I fancy Mayo to beat Kildare .
On today fancy armagh by 3/4
Tyrone could do with Donegal and Monaghan wins today, and the one time you'd want Donegal to win though they'll probably end up getting stuffed instead.
Can't see how Donegal could get anything from that game today, they could be under severe pressure throughout.
I expect them to take a heavy beating today. Hope I am wrong but they do appear to have dropped off a bit and Dublin need points.
Real test for Armagh today. Dry, sunny day against a good side will give us a better idea of where Armagh stand at the minute. Kerry have rested some of their key players also which gives us a good opportunity of winning the match and getting to a league final which would be massive for this Armagh side and the belief it could bring.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 20, 2022, 12:32:04 PM
I expect them to take a heavy beating today. Hope I am wrong but they do appear to have dropped off a bit and Dublin need points.
As usual, no word on a Donegal team yet, but even at full strength I wouldn't fancy us to get a result. With all of the injuries, forget it.
Not sure how much of a test it'll be for armagh today considering they're two main men, Clifford and oshea aren't there. Very beatable without them two
David Clifford scored a goal there... Kerry seemed be winning handy enough so far.
Kerry getting roughed up by Arma
Armagh kicking a lot of bad wides.
Grugan hauled down by the jersey and the ref gives a free out for over carrying.
Donegal making football look easy
Other than for an entertaining last 10 minutes - Armagh and Kerry wasn't that great to watch nothing was at stake for either team.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 20, 2022, 04:04:22 PM
Armagh and Kerry wasn't that great to watch nothing was at stake for either team.
It's surprising they played at all, should have just sent out the reserves
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 20, 2022, 04:03:04 PM
Donegal making football look easy
Apart from all the bloody balls bouncing over their heads.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 20, 2022, 04:03:04 PM
Donegal making football look easy
Apart from all the bloody balls bouncing over their heads.
Well it was before Dublin came back them but it was simple stuff at times
Fair decent game here between Donegal and Dublin, first watchable neutral game I watched this year.
Brian Howard ate his weetBix this morning.!!
Armagh were poor for large parts of the first half and gave Kerry too much respect. When they finally woke up and realised that Kerry are nothing special without Clifford and O'Shea they gave themselves a bit too much to do and hit a lot of bad wides in the second half.
It's all a learning experience though and some players who had grabbed the headlines in previous games simply didn't turn up today. Best that it happens now though than in a months time.
Armagh were pretty poor all day I thought, Kerry kept us at arm's length without going up through the gears. Kerry looked very solid defensively which was ptobably their primary aim of the day. Only Soupy Campbell put his hand up for me today and he only got a half! I suppose playing poor and being competitive v Kerry isn't the worst thing in the world, we'd have taken that a year ago.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 20, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
Armagh were pretty poor all day I thought, Kerry kept us at arm's length without going up through the gears. Kerry looked very solid defensively which was ptobably their primary aim of the day. Only Soupy Campbell put his hand up for me today and he only got a half! I suppose playing poor and being competitive v Kerry isn't the worst thing in the world, we'd have taken that a year ago.
I am sorry to say but I don't feel Hall offered anything today or for large parts of the league. He is a decent player but he is not working for me, Kerry shoved him off the ball a little too easy for my liking.
Armagh - and the referee- were a bit overawed with the occasion today I felt. Too many wrong decisions made at key moments. Still a good learning curve. Armagh have improved significantly from pre Covid.
On a positive for Kerry Jack O'Connor did a fair job man marking the linesman.
Great goal by Murphy, but the Dublin keeper made that easy for him.
Dublin find it so much easier to get scores than we do. Those wee kicks into the forward's chest are always finding their men.
Was going to say that but Donegal and McBearty are playing well
It's been much better since they moved Murphy up front and started speeding things up getting the ball in.
But Dublin are picking off easy scores to keep the gap there and look like they'll get in for another goal.
Donegal still got the firepower up front, still don't look the strongest in defence or Midfield.
The 2 Brians turned up today!! It's been awhile.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 20, 2022, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 20, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
Armagh were pretty poor all day I thought, Kerry kept us at arm's length without going up through the gears. Kerry looked very solid defensively which was ptobably their primary aim of the day. Only Soupy Campbell put his hand up for me today and he only got a half! I suppose playing poor and being competitive v Kerry isn't the worst thing in the world, we'd have taken that a year ago.
I am sorry to say but I don't feel Hall offered anything today or for large parts of the league. He is a decent player but he is not working for me, Kerry shoved him off the ball a little too easy for my liking.
Hall wouldn't be anywhere near my starting championship 15.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 20, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
Armagh were pretty poor all day I thought, Kerry kept us at arm's length without going up through the gears. Kerry looked very solid defensively which was ptobably their primary aim of the day. Only Soupy Campbell put his hand up for me today and he only got a half! I suppose playing poor and being competitive v Kerry isn't the worst thing in the world, we'd have taken that a year ago.
They were much too timid to begin with standing off their men in defence as Kerry ought to have been much further ahead at half time. I'm not sure what soupy has to do to start ahead of Hall who is a decent player but not a starter for me.
I remain to be convinced about the rafferty experiment in goals either but he looks to be the preferred choice now.
Quote from: bennydorano on March 20, 2022, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 20, 2022, 04:57:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 20, 2022, 04:50:15 PM
Armagh were pretty poor all day I thought, Kerry kept us at arm's length without going up through the gears. Kerry looked very solid defensively which was ptobably their primary aim of the day. Only Soupy Campbell put his hand up for me today and he only got a half! I suppose playing poor and being competitive v Kerry isn't the worst thing in the world, we'd have taken that a year ago.
I am sorry to say but I don't feel Hall offered anything today or for large parts of the league. He is a decent player but he is not working for me, Kerry shoved him off the ball a little too easy for my liking.
Hall wouldn't be anywhere near my starting championship 15.
After today I am in full agreement. Too small, either cannot shoot or doesn't have the confidence.
Never a penalty he ran out of space, lucky
Quote from: J70 on March 20, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
It's been much better since they moved Murphy up front and started speeding things up getting the ball in.
But Dublin are picking off easy scores to keep the gap there and look like they'll get in for another goal.
Who would have thought that playing the ball long into Murphy could be a successful tactic. Quite why Donegal don't use him in this role more often baffles me.
Keeper experiment going well, think Clifford told him as much, least he owns the number 1 Jersey now. ::)
So who is safe? :)
If only had a highly capable keeper on the bench... Oh wait.
Hall Rowland OHanlon anonymous.. Why does geezer insist on starting them? Murnin was anonymous today too.
Questions have to be asked about the referee too? 2/3 times he gave kerry a mark, when the ball wasnt secured.. And for that Grugan call at the end? shambles.
Bonner interview in English. Would have thought a man from Lettermacaward would be a fluent Irish speaker.
Dublin 2-15 donegal 2-11. Looks like the Dubs are going to do as Kerry did in 2010.
Quote from: J70 on March 20, 2022, 05:26:42 PM
So who is safe? :)
Donegal might need to beat Armagh if Tyrone, Kildare and Dublin win.
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2022, 05:26:57 PM
If only had a highly capable keeper on the bench... Oh wait.
Hall Rowland OHanlon anonymous.. Why does geezer insist on starting them? Murnin was anonymous today too.
Questions have to be asked about the referee too? 2/3 times he gave kerry a mark, when the ball wasnt secured.. And for that Grugan call at the end? shambles.
We don't that is the problem.
Hughes lack confidence in his kick-outs and Rafferty made a very silly mistake by turning his back to the best forward in Ireland. The goal Murphy scored against Donegal would make me glad Rafferty is in goal as he would come out and challenge for it. His kick-outs are better than Hughes.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 20, 2022, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2022, 05:26:57 PM
If only had a highly capable keeper on the bench... Oh wait.
Hall Rowland OHanlon anonymous.. Why does geezer insist on starting them? Murnin was anonymous today too.
Questions have to be asked about the referee too? 2/3 times he gave kerry a mark, when the ball wasnt secured.. And for that Grugan call at the end? shambles.
We don't that is the problem.
Hughes lack confidence in his kick-outs and Rafferty made a very silly mistake by turning his back to the best forward in Ireland. The goal Murphy scored against Donegal would make me glad Rafferty is in goal as he would come out and challenge for it. His kick-outs are better than Hughes.
Based on what I've seen (and admittedly it's only 3 matches) Raffertys kick outs are no better than Hughes imo. He does have more presence in the goals but made a few rash decisions as well and got away with it once but paid the price for the goal when he was in no man's land.
Midfield didn't help him today as both were poor but unless there is a plan to go long (and playing a small player like Hall wing half forward doesn't help) then I really don't see the benefit in playing him before Hughes who is an actual goalkeeper.
Raffertys kickouts are atrocious, Blaine is an accomplished shot stopper, is that not a key part of goal keeping? Why Rafferty has a fan club on here is beyond me he has had 2 bad games and one average, but stick with him. At one stage he was in the halfway line whilst the best forward in the country was on his 21, at least Geezer told him to get back.
If the game starts slipping away from them expect Armagh to go full-on shithousery.
Quote from: KickPass on March 20, 2022, 05:57:24 PM
If the game stops slipping away from them exoect Armagh to go full-on shithousery.
On the drink early today.
Quote from: Average Score on March 20, 2022, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: KickPass on March 20, 2022, 05:57:24 PM
If the game starts slipping away from them expect Armagh to go full-on shithousery.
On the drink early today.
Good for you. Half the Athletic grounds along with you as well I'd imagine?
Quote from: Average Score on March 20, 2022, 05:54:10 PM
Raffertys kickouts are atrocious, Blaine is an accomplished shot stopper, is that not a key part of goal keeping? Why Rafferty has a fan club on here is beyond me he has had 2 bad games and one average, but stick with him. At one stage he was in the halfway line whilst the best forward in the country was on his 21, at least Geezer told him to get back.
Whilst my preference would be for Hughes accomplished shot stopping is no longer a pre requisite for good goal keepers. Being comfortable under the high ball, having a presence and being able to build attacks are far more important. Rafferty has basically conceded every shot against him. That's one in three games. I don't though think he kick outs are any better than Hughes. I do though feel that Armagh have much bigger problems with their kick outs than the accuracy or otherwise of their keeper. They seem to really struggle when teams push up and I think that needs worked on.
As for Rafferty playing as a sweeper keeper it can have its advantages. Rafferty broke a ball from the opposition kick out at one stage and whilst Kerry still recovered the ball that breaking gave Armagh time to funnel back. Had he been stuck on his line I think Kerry would have created a much better opportunity than they did from the passage of play.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 05:53:53 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 20, 2022, 05:44:36 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on March 20, 2022, 05:26:57 PM
If only had a highly capable keeper on the bench... Oh wait.
Hall Rowland OHanlon anonymous.. Why does geezer insist on starting them? Murnin was anonymous today too.
Questions have to be asked about the referee too? 2/3 times he gave kerry a mark, when the ball wasnt secured.. And for that Grugan call at the end? shambles.
We don't that is the problem.
Hughes lack confidence in his kick-outs and Rafferty made a very silly mistake by turning his back to the best forward in Ireland. The goal Murphy scored against Donegal would make me glad Rafferty is in goal as he would come out and challenge for it. His kick-outs are better than Hughes.
Based on what I've seen (and admittedly it's only 3 matches) Raffertys kick outs are no better than Hughes imo. He does have more presence in the goals but made a few rash decisions as well and got away with it once but paid the price for the goal when he was in no man's land.
Midfield didn't help him today as both were poor but unless there is a plan to go long (and playing a small player like Hall wing half forward doesn't help) then I really don't see the benefit in playing him before Hughes who is an actual goalkeeper.
If I had to pick out a strength that Blaine Hughes has, I honestly can't think of one. He learns from his mistakes but he does not have an redeeming features as a GK. His kick outs brings pressure on to himself, that zaps his confidence and his kick outs are short. He never really had to stop any shots in the league because the defence were doing their job.
Rafferty is a risky option with the way they allow him to play. He motors up the field and there have been occasions in the past two games where Armagh players have been or almost lost the ball and he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't have the instincts to play in goal as shown earlier when he turned his back against Clifford. However, he will challenge high dropping balls and he went through a Kerry player to get to one earlier. If our defence holds out the way it has (with the exception of today) teams only have one route to goal and that is with high balls. I would take Rafferty over Hughes if that is the case.
The league table is interesting. Kerry are in the final and Dublin and Monaghan can't make it. Armagh could lose their last game and make the final or win it and not. In theory Kildare, Donegal and Tyrone could all either make the final, remain in the division or be relegated depending on result. Dublin and Monaghan could win and go down or draw and be safe depending on other results (some extreme results maybe needed for the draw scenario to see both stay safe). Mayo make the final with a win, have a good chance with a draw and have a tiny chance of making it with a defeat. Very exciting last day coming up
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Last round of fixtures
Mayo v Kildare in Carrick on Shannon
Monaghan v Dublin in Clones
Kerry v Tyrone in Killarney
Donegal v Armagh in Letterkenny
Tyrone beat Kerry
Kildare beat Mayo
Donegal beat Armagh
Means Armagh Mayo Tyrone Kildare & Donegal on 7 points....
Quote from: Average Score on March 20, 2022, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: KickPass on March 20, 2022, 05:57:24 PM
If the game stops slipping away from them exoect Armagh to go full-on shithousery.
On the drink early today.
You spelt Tyrone wrong
The boy genius David Clifford the difference in the athletic grounds and he wasn't named on the 26. With one game to play it's been a good league campaign for Armagh and probably the best preparation for the championship for many years.
If we lose in Killarney we are down. A draw would probably be enough but easier said than done as Kerry certainly won't be doing us any favours.
Scoreline flattered Donegal. Without Murphy they would be division 2 regulars.
Should be a great final weekend with a few teams looking to finish 2nd and play Kerry in the final and relegated going down to the wire. The league remains the best format the GAA have.
It looks like nobody wants to actually get to the League final.
Hard to believe that Tyrone have stunk the place out since winning the AI yet could still make the League final.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 06:55:55 PM
It looks like nobody wants to actually get to the League final.
Hard to believe that Tyrone have stunk the place out since winning the AI yet could still make the League final.
What set of results would get Tyrone to the league final?
The Kerry defence seems to have turned into a bunch of slabbers watching that Armagh game there. What effect does a new manager drill undesirable practices into a team?
If Tyrone beat Kerry by a zillion points, kildare beat mayo and donegal beat armagh
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2022, 07:03:29 PM
The Kerry defence seems to have turned into a bunch of slabbers watching that Armagh game there. What effect does a new manager drill undesirable practices into a team?
They are definitely meaner and more cynical and I was surprised at the amount of pulling and holding of Armagh forwards off the ball. Not as easy on the eye as previous seasons but it's a deliberate attempt to tighten up a previously leaky defence.
It will be interesting to see how Kerry approach the Tyrone match next week.
I don't expect Tyrone to get anything in kerry but I don't know if theyll need anything either. Fancy mayo to beat kildare which keeps Tyrone and kildare level. Then as long as donegal get something from the armagh game Tyrone are safe. Not sure how armagh or donegal will approach it with the championship game so soon after it
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2022, 07:03:29 PM
The Kerry defence seems to have turned into a bunch of slabbers watching that Armagh game there. What effect does a new manager drill undesirable practices into a team?
You could add a half forward or 2 into that mix
I thought Mayo's chances of making the league final were done and dusted last night. Horan may try more experimentation next weekend which could see Kildare beat us also.
I really think Mayo should try a few more new lads... 8)
It's going to be a cracking last weekend of games in fairness. Everyone has something to play for.
I think Jack O'Connor has a hatred of Tyrone which can be traced back to the noughties so I don't think he will give them soft points next week. In fact he might turn up the nasty, cynical stuff a few more levels to see what his boys are made of. And they owe Tyrone one from last years Covid ambush.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
I think Jack O'Connor has a hatred of Tyrone which can be traced back to the noughties so I don't think he will give them soft points next week. In fact he might turn up the nasty, cynical stuff a few more levels to see what his boys are made of. And they owe Tyrone one from last years Covid ambush.
Absolute certainty. Can be sure of a few rows breaking out as Jack will have the kerry lads out for vengeance with the knowledge that any rows will be pinned rightly or wrongly at the feet of tyrone
Quote from: KickPass on March 20, 2022, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 20, 2022, 05:58:31 PM
Quote from: KickPass on March 20, 2022, 05:57:24 PM
If the game starts slipping away from them expect Armagh to go full-on shithousery.
On the drink early today.
Good for you. Half the Athletic grounds along with you as well I'd imagine?
Not only did you put your initial statement into word for autocorrect, you then edited my quote, what a saddo. ;D ;D
Do we now have 2 Angelos arguing with each other?
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 20, 2022, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
I think Jack O'Connor has a hatred of Tyrone which can be traced back to the noughties so I don't think he will give them soft points next week. In fact he might turn up the nasty, cynical stuff a few more levels to see what his boys are made of. And they owe Tyrone one from last years Covid ambush.
Absolute certainty. Can be sure of a few rows breaking out as Jack will have the kerry lads out for vengeance with the knowledge that any rows will be pinned rightly or wrongly at the feet of tyrone
A few rows, lads lying down feigning injury to get opposition sent off, classy stuff.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 20, 2022, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
I think Jack O'Connor has a hatred of Tyrone which can be traced back to the noughties so I don't think he will give them soft points next week. In fact he might turn up the nasty, cynical stuff a few more levels to see what his boys are made of. And they owe Tyrone one from last years Covid ambush.
Absolute certainty. Can be sure of a few rows breaking out as Jack will have the kerry lads out for vengeance with the knowledge that any rows will be pinned rightly or wrongly at the feet of tyrone
A few rows, lads lying down feigning injury to get opposition sent off, classy stuff.
And that's just from the kerry ones
Was that Joanne Cantwell doing the commentary as well in the Kildare v Monaghan highlights?
The 2 goals Donegal scored, Cluxton never got caught out like that.
First one he got, 2nd one not, Murphy very strong in the air.
Is there any point watching RTE GAA coverage.
I watched highlights of Armagh v Kerry. It sounded as if Kerry were playing themselves. All that was said about Armagh was that they were disappointing.
A number of weeks ago social media footage was shown to highlight the melee between Armagh and Tyrone. A few weeks later when social media coverage proved a penalty was over the line it wasn't shown as it was 'inconclusive '.
Tyrone won the All Ireland last year. Armagh are improving. The TV pundits must be getting worried.
Everything is so politically correct and bland. Even as far as showing the division one games last. We used to complain how Sky Sports soccer was full of bland cliche ridden analysis and now the wheel has turned full circle where Sky have the best analysts whilst RTE seem to have either muzzled their analysts or just simply gone for the ones who will not veer off script.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2022, 10:36:04 PM
First one he got, 2nd one not, Murphy very strong in the air.
Yeah, Cluxton came off his line in a similar way and got done by Murphy in the 2014 semi. Murphy didn't score it, but he beat Cluxton and the defenders to the long ball in before McFadden laid it off to McHugh.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 20, 2022, 09:40:03 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 20, 2022, 09:29:45 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 20, 2022, 09:04:30 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 20, 2022, 08:42:10 PM
I think Jack O'Connor has a hatred of Tyrone which can be traced back to the noughties so I don't think he will give them soft points next week. In fact he might turn up the nasty, cynical stuff a few more levels to see what his boys are made of. And they owe Tyrone one from last years Covid ambush.
Absolute certainty. Can be sure of a few rows breaking out as Jack will have the kerry lads out for vengeance with the knowledge that any rows will be pinned rightly or wrongly at the feet of tyrone
A few rows, lads lying down feigning injury to get opposition sent off, classy stuff.
And that's just from the kerry ones
They're the most cynical team I've seen yet
Quote from: Throw ball on March 20, 2022, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 20, 2022, 07:03:29 PM
The Kerry defence seems to have turned into a bunch of slabbers watching that Armagh game there. What effect does a new manager drill undesirable practices into a team?
You could add a half forward or 2 into that mix
Their number 12 at least.
Or 11, was it Jack Savage.
Armagh v Kerry ...
From the off, Kerry the better team, too many Armagh players were off the pace of the game. Although only losing by a goal in the end, Kerry's gamesmanship was always going to see them home.
Kerry are the most cynical team I've seen in a long time, some of their off the ball antics were obviously part of their game plan and not something that just happened in the heat of the game.
The referee was useless, some of his decisions in favour of Kerry even had Kerry supporters around us laughing in disbelief. Looks like Armagh started the game showing Kerry too much respect ... the referee seemed to be in awe of Kerry from start to finish. Not too many teams this year will beat Kerry in normal circumstances .... but none will when the ref is in their corner as well.
Jack O'Connor spent a lot of his time shadowing the linesman up and down the line giving him is view of proceedings.
Clifford a class act, his goal well taken, the pass from O'Brien made it though. Rafferty caught in no-man's land with his back to the best forward in Ireland.
Fair play to many of the Kerry and Armagh players sticking around on the field long after the game to chat and pose for pics with young fans. The sight of Clifford pushing youngsters away with a wave of his arm to get off the field was not as nice to see ... although he was getting a lot more attention than anyone else, I guess that comes with the mantle of the best player in Ireland.
Thoughts on the armagh Kerry game
Kerry were comfortable all day and kept armagh at a safe distance .
Clifford is a class act and undoubted the best talent in Gaelic football at present
Kerry have definitely become more cynical and calculated in their fouling which is probably a good thing if the want to win Sam but let's call them out like Tyrone and Dublin are
Ref was poor for both teams and definitely seemed overawed by the occasion
Armagh are well behind Kerry
Game itself was flat simply because Kerry were that composed and comfortable on possession.
Those are very fair assessments of the match. It was a bit of a reality check for Armagh in terms of the level they need to get to and Kerry were probably more than 3 points a better side playing in third gear with a fair few players missing. Armagh played with a distinct lack of intensity off the ball from the beginning which allowed Kerry to build a buffer that they would not relinquish. Midfield and half back lines struggled to get a foothold in the game and that is where Kerry done most of the damage and only for some poor finishing they could have been out of sight at half time.
The referee was poor all around but particularly for Armagh and Jack O'Connor should not have been allowed to badger the linesman throughout. Go over and speak to him early to tell him to cut it out or else issue a yellow card early and it would have stopped but the referee seemed to be in awe of them as others have suggested.
All in all it was a very useful learning experience for Armagh against the best team in the country. We can all agree what most of the problems are but fixing them will be the hardest part.
The GAA need to act to stop this manager constantly badgering Linesmen syndrome.
Having seen Gallagher get away with it last week and now Kutejack and no doubt others...it doesn't tally with that Respect logo stuff.
A yellow card the first time, then banishment second time with a suspension for any repeats.
Were Donegal missing many yesterday? Assume Bonner under huge pressure this year to deliver.
I was frustrated watching them yesterday, the reluctance to kick the ball when the pass was on drove me crazy.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on March 21, 2022, 10:38:52 AM
Were Donegal missing many yesterday? Assume Bonner under huge pressure this year to deliver.
I was frustrated watching them yesterday, the reluctance to kick the ball when the pass was on drove me crazy.
I honestly don't how Bonner survived after the past couple of seasons. I guess the county board felt he was unlucky against Tyrone last year and there probably weren't many queuing up to succeed him anyway.
We were missing a few likely starters yesterday: Ciaran Thompson, Michael Langan, Caolan McGonigle, Niall O'Donnell and, possibly, Oisin Gallen. All midfield up, although probably only Langan who's really made his mark at the top level. Its not like waiting for Murphy or McBrearty to come back, but it has meant we've been relying on some very inexperienced players in recent games. But we're obviously not the only team in that boat.
Jamie Brennan didn't look fit at all to me (did he touch the ball?), and we need him up and running like he was a few years ago.
And yeah, they were frustrating yesterday. A couple of times they did ping the ball in, they got a few scores from it, including Murphy's goal. However, they were a damn sight better than last week's horror show against Monaghan, when it was just slow over and back across the pitch with zero penetration.
Bonner has nothing to lose this season. He might as well go for it and tell Murphy to stay up the field for long stretches to give the team an option. Especially with Hugh McFadden now being eased back in, they don't need him wasted tracking back. Split his time between the square and the 40, where he can do some damage either as a target man or playmaker, along with his scoring ability.
Entertaining game yesterday in the Athletic Grounds - intensity was high even if quality was poor at time.
It had a bit of everything:
The Good:
Clifford a class act and great to watch. Also the speed Kerry moved the ball into the full forward line was fantastic. However, it was most apparent when Armagh were pressing up the Kerry kickout and it did give them scope to move it long and fast into space.
Campbell done well when he came on - scoring a great point and breaking tackles. Also, Armagh's intensity at the end, turning over Kerry a number of times and winning the midfield battle, was very impressive. Other teams will take note.
Foley done a great marking job on O'Neill, but in fairness, anytime he had possession, he was double marked. Clifford on the other hand was playing in acres of space (on a number of occasions) at the other end of the pitch. It wasn't just the second half - I was kind of surprised that Armagh ended the first half without conceding a goal, even though there were no clear cut chances - if you know what I mean.
The bad
A lot of bad wides from both teams and some of them uncharacteristic. Grugan hit three bad ones for Armagh. Kerry hit a succession in the first half and could have been out of sight. However, I would prefer to seem teams kicking a ball wide, than taking an extra pass and giving away a turnover, which in Armagh's case, meant that they were exposed up front. Burns played well and scored an excellent point, but starting to find myself getting annoyed with him always taking an extra bounce or a solo when it needs moved quickly - or not taking the shot, when the shot is on.
A good goal chance which should have been burried by Duffy. Rafferty's decision making for the Kerry goal was all over the place, but chances are it would have been scored anyway. Felt for him, but he didn't let it ruin him. He performed well after that, particularly under the high ball.
The Ugly
Kerry quite cynical and both Armagh and the officials seemed to give them too much respect. Fouled Armagh a lot between the two 50s and Kerry guilty of a lot of pulling and dragging off the ball. I think Armagh will learn a lot from the game - at least they should. Armagh were rattled by their tactics and their intensity in the first 10 minutes - they were too nice. Forker was remonstrating with the ref - he actually followed him across the pitch, arms outstretched, while Kerry still had the ball in play inside the Armagh half. It just proved that Armagh could be got at.
Referee was bad for both teams, but it definitely seemed that Armagh found it harder to get frees. He seemed to indicate that he blew Grugan for diving when Armagh needed a goal at the end - seemed crazy to me.
Finally, was it just me or did Armagh seem to be slipping a lot yesterday on the surface. Rafferty for the goal was the obvious one, but on at least 5 or 6 occasions players seemed to slip - costing them possession.
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Thoughts on the armagh Kerry game
Kerry were comfortable all day and kept armagh at a safe distance .
Clifford is a class act and undoubted the best talent in Gaelic football at present
Kerry have definitely become more cynical and calculated in their fouling which is probably a good thing if the want to win Sam but let's call them out like Tyrone and Dublin are
Ref was poor for both teams and definitely seemed overawed by the occasion
Armagh are well behind Kerry
Game itself was flat simply because Kerry were that composed and comfortable on possession.
With kerry pundits on every game or highlights show nothing will be said about their cynical fouling. All be mentioned is laying down a marker nonsense. When kerry are winning spillane has a load in his trousers saying how great they are with their kick passing and front foot football.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 21, 2022, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: naka on March 21, 2022, 08:36:11 AM
Thoughts on the armagh Kerry game
Kerry were comfortable all day and kept armagh at a safe distance .
Clifford is a class act and undoubted the best talent in Gaelic football at present
Kerry have definitely become more cynical and calculated in their fouling which is probably a good thing if the want to win Sam but let's call them out like Tyrone and Dublin are
Ref was poor for both teams and definitely seemed overawed by the occasion
Armagh are well behind Kerry
Game itself was flat simply because Kerry were that composed and comfortable on possession.
With kerry pundits on every game or highlights show nothing will be said about their cynical fouling. All be mentioned is laying down a marker nonsense. When kerry are winning spillane has a load in his trousers saying how great they are with their kick passing and front foot football.
It was ever thus, Kerry wrote the book on cynicism, years where they haven't been ruthless are very much the exception not the norm.
Quote from: Throw ball on March 20, 2022, 10:53:29 PM
Is there any point watching RTE GAA coverage.
I watched highlights of Armagh v Kerry. It sounded as if Kerry were playing themselves. All that was said about Armagh was that they were disappointing.
A number of weeks ago social media footage was shown to highlight the melee between Armagh and Tyrone. A few weeks later when social media coverage proved a penalty was over the line it wasn't shown as it was 'inconclusive '.
Tyrone won the All Ireland last year. Armagh are improving. The TV pundits must be getting worried.
League Sunday is ridiculous at this stage ... jumping from a lower division to another lower division, eventually making it to division 1 .. and then to be PC, a couple of ladies games are used to break up the division 1 review. As for the analysts, best to switch off at that stage. PC gone mad, stick to the script, never call out a ref, eulogise Kerry or Dublin at every opportunity ... and where possible, don't focus too much on any team from the northern part of the country.
The final round of fixtures will be interesting and the relegation battle could well go down to the wire. One of either Dublin or Monaghan will get relegated with the other coming from Kildare, Tyrone or Donegal. Of these Tyrone have the most difficult fixture and I don't see them getting anything down in Killarney. Donegal will beat Armagh as I don't see geezer playing a strong lineup since this is a dress rehearsal for the Ulster championship match in a few weeks time.
I think Dublin will beat Monaghan which leaves Monaghan relegated and I think I am right in saying that if both Tyrone and Kildare get beaten then Kildare will be relegated on head to head results. The Mayo v Kildare match is probably the most difficult to predict however since I don't think Mayo will be overly bothered about getting to a League final.
On RTE last night, they talked about Kerry for 5 or 6 minutes without ever even mentioning Armagh, then in the final 20 seconds, Colm Boyle said Armagh were flat, Joanne agreed that they were a bit flat, then Colm Boyle repeated that Armagh looked flat. That was it!!
Then for The All Ireland Champions v Mayo, Joanne said, "A good win there for Tyrone, Colm lets talk about Mayo"
Quote from: Feckitt on March 21, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
On RTE last night, they talked about Kerry for 5 or 6 minutes without ever even mentioning Armagh, then in the final 20 seconds, Colm Boyle said Armagh were flat, Joanne agreed that they were a bit flat, then Colm Boyle repeated that Armagh looked flat. That was it!!
Then for The All Ireland Champions v Mayo, Joanne said, "A good win there for Tyrone, Colm lets talk about Mayo"
She is completely useless but you need a women to talk about men's sport otherwise there would be outrage. ::)
Quote from: yellowcard on March 21, 2022, 01:32:10 PM
The final round of fixtures will be interesting and the relegation battle could well go down to the wire. One of either Dublin or Monaghan will get relegated with the other coming from Kildare, Tyrone or Donegal. Of these Tyrone have the most difficult fixture and I don't see them getting anything down in Killarney. Donegal will beat Armagh as I don't see geezer playing a strong lineup since this is a dress rehearsal for the Ulster championship match in a few weeks time.
I think Dublin will beat Monaghan which leaves Monaghan relegated and I think I am right in saying that if both Tyrone and Kildare get beaten then Kildare will be relegated on head to head results. The Mayo v Kildare match is probably the most difficult to predict however since I don't think Mayo will be overly bothered about getting to a League final.
The weird scenario whereby both Armagh and Mayo are beaten, means there are more than 2 teams on 7 points. In this situation, scoring difference takes precedence over head to head ... Armagh currently have the best score difference of the runners in that equation, and could reach a league final despite losing their last two games, unless Kildare do a similar job on Mayo as they did on Monaghan ... strange indeed.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0321/1287492-nfl-permutations-all-to-play-for-across-four-divisions/
Quote from: Feckitt on March 21, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
On RTE last night, they talked about Kerry for 5 or 6 minutes without ever even mentioning Armagh, then in the final 20 seconds, Colm Boyle said Armagh were flat, Joanne agreed that they were a bit flat, then Colm Boyle repeated that Armagh looked flat. That was it!!
Then for The All Ireland Champions v Mayo, Joanne said, "A good win there for Tyrone, Colm lets talk about Mayo"
It was a bit of a joke alright. All you could do was laugh at it. Kerry won by three points and they had to work for it. They did keep Armagh at arms length for most of the game, but they were under serious pressure with their kickouts in the last 15-20 mins and there wasn't a word about it - it was basically a Kerry love in. If they were only going to analyse Kerry - at least analyse the good and the bad.
Joanne seems to be challenging the pundits a bit, particularly O'Rourke and Spillane, particularly if she thinks they are being inconsistent. It definitely needs done and she's right to do it. I'm not sure I like the way she goes about it - bit too pleased with herself or something - would be surprised if it isn't pissing the two old codgers off.
Quote from: APM on March 21, 2022, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 21, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
On RTE last night, they talked about Kerry for 5 or 6 minutes without ever even mentioning Armagh, then in the final 20 seconds, Colm Boyle said Armagh were flat, Joanne agreed that they were a bit flat, then Colm Boyle repeated that Armagh looked flat. That was it!!
Then for The All Ireland Champions v Mayo, Joanne said, "A good win there for Tyrone, Colm lets talk about Mayo"
It was a bit of a joke alright. All you could do was laugh at it. Kerry won by three points and they had to work for it. They did keep Armagh at arms length for most of the game, but they were under serious pressure with their kickouts in the last 15-20 mins and there wasn't a word about it - it was basically a Kerry love in. If they were only going to analyse Kerry - at least analyse the good and the bad.
Joanne seems to be challenging the pundits a bit, particularly O'Rourke and Spillane, particularly if she thinks they are being inconsistent. It definitely needs done and she's right to do it. I'm not sure I like the way she goes about it - bit too pleased with herself or something - would be surprised if it isn't pissing the two old codgers off.
League Sunday is pointless, there just isn't enough time or coverage. And the stuff they do is poor. To top it off they have added camoige and ladies football into it. While it's mostly under the GAA banner, that's 4 different sports loads of leagues nevermind teams involved.
There really isn't the time to show Hurling and Football in the same show and do it justice. I mean even when they have weekends it's all football it's still constrained by time and not worth sticking on.
GAA need to get their finger out and actual put out highlights or even full games on YouTube now. The games are recorded, what use keeping them hidden away.
Quote from: APM on March 21, 2022, 12:03:58 PM
Armagh and the officials seemed to give them too much respect.
Good post, APM, and this is the line that resonated with me the most. I thought our lads were in awe at the site of the Kerry jersey for much of the game and made a litany of mistakes in terms of shot and pass selection, committing to a tackle when standing off would have been better and vice versa. They seemed to throw caution to the wind in the last ten minutes and just went toe to toe with Kerry and at that stage were able to put it up to them.
As disappointing as it was, these are the matches that Armagh need to be playing regularly to bring them on. There were a number of valuable lessons to be learned yesterday, and I really hope they are taken on board.
You aren't going to beat the top team in the country unless you get stuck in, there is no scope for standing back and admiring them. Armagh made many mistakes and the occurrence of those needs to be halved and if that lesson is learned then some good may come out of it.
Cracking crowd in the Athletic grounds though.
Armagh have been mediocre for a while. This is quite a decent campaign given that.
It looked like Armagh were 'out-puked' by Kerry, but considering Armagh missed three or four very scorable chances in the 2nd half, they were not that far off from rattling that Kerry aura of dominance.
Any Mayo heads here know James Horan? Tell him to try a few new lads and mind the big timers for the championship...I really have no clue how that will go in Carrick.
Mayo didn't seem to have a clue how to break down Tyrone and did some amount of flutin' around. We don't have that same defensive system and we are given to allow a hole to be punched through at times.
Kildare (and everyone else) have played in some horrible conditions and the dry ball and harder ground does suit a lot of our lads. Even lads at the back have serious pace when they get going and Kevin Flynn glided through Monaghan a few times on Sunday, but they seemed stuck to the ground in comparison.
I don't see Monaghan getting anything from the Dubs but a draw would be tasty.
Quote from: Main Street on March 21, 2022, 08:08:15 PM
It looked like Armagh were 'out-puked' by Kerry, but considering Armagh missed three or four very scorable chances in the 2nd half, they were not that far off from rattling that Kerry aura of dominance.
Outpuked would be a good way of describing it alright. In the League matches to date Armagh have fed off turnovers and a level of controlled aggression which gave them the impetus to allow the forwards go and get the scores. Against Kerry this was sorely lacking until the second half when they began pinning Kerry in their own half and forcing a few mistakes from turnovers and poor kickouts.
It looked like Armagh naively either weren't ready for Kerrys strong arm tactics or were simply caught like rabbits in the headlights. Either way they gave them far too much respect in that first half and give themselves a mountain to climb to win the match.
Quote from: APM on March 21, 2022, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 21, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
On RTE last night, they talked about Kerry for 5 or 6 minutes without ever even mentioning Armagh, then in the final 20 seconds, Colm Boyle said Armagh were flat, Joanne agreed that they were a bit flat, then Colm Boyle repeated that Armagh looked flat. That was it!!
Then for The All Ireland Champions v Mayo, Joanne said, "A good win there for Tyrone, Colm lets talk about Mayo"
It was a bit of a joke alright. All you could do was laugh at it. Kerry won by three points and they had to work for it. They did keep Armagh at arms length for most of the game, but they were under serious pressure with their kickouts in the last 15-20 mins and there wasn't a word about it - it was basically a Kerry love in. If they were only going to analyse Kerry - at least analyse the good and the bad.
Joanne seems to be challenging the pundits a bit, particularly O'Rourke and Spillane, particularly if she thinks they are being inconsistent. It definitely needs done and she's right to do it. I'm not sure I like the way she goes about it - bit too pleased with herself or something - would be surprised if it isn't pissing the two old codgers off.
It's poor. Joanne strikes me as somebody picking a fight for the sake of it at times. The hurling analysis puts football to shame. You know what you're going to get with Spillane and O'Rourke. A few big generalisations. Nothing very insightful. Spillane's like the cat who got the cream when Kerry win.
Quote from: Main Street on March 21, 2022, 08:08:15 PM
It looked like Armagh were 'out-puked' by Kerry, but considering Armagh missed three or four very scorable chances in the 2nd half, they were not that far off from rattling that Kerry aura of dominance.
Pat didn't use the term puke to describe it strangely enough. He applauded Kerry for their defending and swarming tactic.
I didn't watch it on Sunday but I hear Kildare v Monaghan had around 2 minutes and they still give so much time to games that were live. Also, some lad called Paddy Kirwan played well for Kildare...Darragh made team of the week but I'm sure the other lad is even better.
They can't watch all the games and even the ones that they do is just general comments and nonsense. Like years ago when Geezer was with Kildare we had no forwards even though we had three lads leading the scores from play that year.
Meath were tough for years too as if Mick Lyons was still playing.
Like the GAANow clips on Twitter are better if they threw them on YouTube with a few extra minutes.
Quote from: Armamike on March 21, 2022, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 21, 2022, 08:08:15 PM
It looked like Armagh were 'out-puked' by Kerry, but considering Armagh missed three or four very scorable chances in the 2nd half, they were not that far off from rattling that Kerry aura of dominance.
Pat didn't use the term puke to describe it strangely enough. He applauded Kerry for their defending and swarming tactic.
The height of Pats analysis centred around excellent Kerry defending, praising a nephew and praising a clubman who he'd watched develop since he was eight. Everything is viewed with green and gold glasses with very little mention of the opposition at all.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 21, 2022, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on March 21, 2022, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 21, 2022, 08:08:15 PM
It looked like Armagh were 'out-puked' by Kerry, but considering Armagh missed three or four very scorable chances in the 2nd half, they were not that far off from rattling that Kerry aura of dominance.
Pat didn't use the term puke to describe it strangely enough. He applauded Kerry for their defending and swarming tactic.
The height of Pats analysis centred around excellent Kerry defending, praising a nephew and praising a clubman who he'd watched develop since he was eight. Everything is viewed with green and gold glasses with very little mention of the opposition at all.
That's Kerry for you, Kerry this, Kerry that and Kerry the other. Even pundits such as Tomás Ó Sé when writing in whatever paper he writes in nowadays would mention 'when I was playing for Kerry...'. I sincerely hope any other county wins the All-Ireland this year especially.
Spillane's Veni, Vidi, Vici, was the most smug piece of punditry I have seen in a long time.
The apple munchers aren't gonna send us down, are they?
No TV coverage of Kerry v Tyrone at the weekend. Maybe because Kerry are already through
Monaghan Dublin live with the "Red zone" updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 21, 2022, 09:21:42 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 21, 2022, 08:55:55 PM
Quote from: Armamike on March 21, 2022, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 21, 2022, 08:08:15 PM
It looked like Armagh were 'out-puked' by Kerry, but considering Armagh missed three or four very scorable chances in the 2nd half, they were not that far off from rattling that Kerry aura of dominance.
Pat didn't use the term puke to describe it strangely enough. He applauded Kerry for their defending and swarming tactic.
The height of Pats analysis centred around excellent Kerry defending, praising a nephew and praising a clubman who he'd watched develop since he was eight. Everything is viewed with green and gold glasses with very little mention of the opposition at all.
That's Kerry for you, Kerry this, Kerry that and Kerry the other. Even pundits such as Tomás Ó Sé when writing in whatever paper he writes in nowadays would mention 'when I was playing for Kerry...'. I sincerely hope any other county wins the All-Ireland this year especially.
If they don't win it then Tally and his tactics will get the blame. If they do win it they will not want to admit that it took a Tyrone man to tighten them up defensively and helped bring an added edge and touch of cynicism to their game.
Even Spillane seemed keen to deflect the praise away from Tally last night when asked by Joanne Cantwell.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on March 21, 2022, 04:38:15 PM
Quote from: APM on March 21, 2022, 12:03:58 PM
Armagh and the officials seemed to give them too much respect.
Good post, APM, and this is the line that resonated with me the most. I thought our lads were in awe at the site of the Kerry jersey for much of the game and made a litany of mistakes in terms of shot and pass selection, committing to a tackle when standing off would have been better and vice versa. They seemed to throw caution to the wind in the last ten minutes and just went toe to toe with Kerry and at that stage were able to put it up to them.
As disappointing as it was, these are the matches that Armagh need to be playing regularly to bring them on. There were a number of valuable lessons to be learned yesterday, and I really hope they are taken on board.
I agree. We definitely have them too much respect and the game was lost in the first 20 minutes
Quote from: balladmaker on March 21, 2022, 01:56:54 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 21, 2022, 01:32:10 PM
The final round of fixtures will be interesting and the relegation battle could well go down to the wire. One of either Dublin or Monaghan will get relegated with the other coming from Kildare, Tyrone or Donegal. Of these Tyrone have the most difficult fixture and I don't see them getting anything down in Killarney. Donegal will beat Armagh as I don't see geezer playing a strong lineup since this is a dress rehearsal for the Ulster championship match in a few weeks time.
I think Dublin will beat Monaghan which leaves Monaghan relegated and I think I am right in saying that if both Tyrone and Kildare get beaten then Kildare will be relegated on head to head results. The Mayo v Kildare match is probably the most difficult to predict however since I don't think Mayo will be overly bothered about getting to a League final.
The weird scenario whereby both Armagh and Mayo are beaten, means there are more than 2 teams on 7 points. In this situation, scoring difference takes precedence over head to head ... Armagh currently have the best score difference of the runners in that equation, and could reach a league final despite losing their last two games, unless Kildare do a similar job on Mayo as they did on Monaghan ... strange indeed.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2022/0321/1287492-nfl-permutations-all-to-play-for-across-four-divisions/
Yeah, it's great. Love the permutations. Could end up with a number of teams on 5 points if Mon-Dub draw and any of Tyrone, Donegal, Kildare lose. Dublin (-11) have a better scoring difference than Tyrone (-12). IF Donegal (-9) lose by 2 points they would be level with Dublin.
So if Dublin and Mon drew, Tyrone win and Donegal lose by 2, how do they determine who goes down? Does it go back to head to head between Dublin and Donegal?
Quote from: full moon on March 21, 2022, 02:29:28 PM
Quote from: APM on March 21, 2022, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: Feckitt on March 21, 2022, 01:37:21 PM
On RTE last night, they talked about Kerry for 5 or 6 minutes without ever even mentioning Armagh, then in the final 20 seconds, Colm Boyle said Armagh were flat, Joanne agreed that they were a bit flat, then Colm Boyle repeated that Armagh looked flat. That was it!!
Then for The All Ireland Champions v Mayo, Joanne said, "A good win there for Tyrone, Colm lets talk about Mayo"
It was a bit of a joke alright. All you could do was laugh at it. Kerry won by three points and they had to work for it. They did keep Armagh at arms length for most of the game, but they were under serious pressure with their kickouts in the last 15-20 mins and there wasn't a word about it - it was basically a Kerry love in. If they were only going to analyse Kerry - at least analyse the good and the bad.
Joanne seems to be challenging the pundits a bit, particularly O'Rourke and Spillane, particularly if she thinks they are being inconsistent. It definitely needs done and she's right to do it. I'm not sure I like the way she goes about it - bit too pleased with herself or something - would be surprised if it isn't pissing the two old codgers off.
League Sunday is pointless, there just isn't enough time or coverage. And the stuff they do is poor. To top it off they have added camoige and ladies football into it. While it's mostly under the GAA banner, that's 4 different sports loads of leagues nevermind teams involved.
There really isn't the time to show Hurling and Football in the same show and do it justice. I mean even when they have weekends it's all football it's still constrained by time and not worth sticking on.
GAA need to get their finger out and actual put out highlights or even full games on YouTube now. The games are recorded, what use keeping them hidden away.
Even if there was 24 hour GAA channel it would never be enough. Same with newspapers. There is never enough GAA coverage, especially after your county wins the All Ireland.
D1 could end up with 5 teams on 7 points or 5 teams on 5 points. :o
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on March 22, 2022, 12:35:12 AM
Yeah, it's great. Love the permutations. Could end up with a number of teams on 5 points if Mon-Dub draw and any of Tyrone, Donegal, Kildare lose. Dublin (-11) have a better scoring difference than Tyrone (-12). IF Donegal (-9) lose by 2 points they would be level with Dublin.
So if Dublin and Mon drew, Tyrone win and Donegal lose by 2, how do they determine who goes down? Does it go back to head to head between Dublin and Donegal?
Where more than two teams finish level on points, finishing order is decided by:
1 – Points difference.
2 – Highest total scores.
3 – Highest total points.
4 – A play-off.
I think Tyrone are screwed as can't see them getting anything this weekend and not convinced donegal will go full pelt v armagh
Quote from: An Watcher on March 22, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
I think Tyrone are screwed as can't see them getting anything this weekend and not convinced donegal will go full pelt v armagh
Be a bit of a risk from Donegal given they would end up relegated if Tyrone and Kildare did win.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 22, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
I think Tyrone are screwed as can't see them getting anything this weekend and not convinced donegal will go full pelt v armagh
Donegal can't afford not to take the game lightly, I think they are a near certainty to win that match as Armagh will likely play some fringe players and treat it as a pre championship training camp. Mayo could well do the same in terms of experimentation against Kildare but there is more of an expectation on the home side to put in a performance. Similar with Kerry against Tyrone although I think Kerry would be too strong for Tyrone in any scenario anyway. So I can see Donegal and Kerry winning quite comfortably whereas the Mayo v Kildare game is much more difficult to call.
Kildare have surprised me in terms of the level they have reached and even if they do get relegated I think they have shown enough improvement to think that they can at least challenge Dublin in Leinster later this summer. They do need to prove yet that they can play as well when taken out of Newbridge though.
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
From an Armagh perspective, any national final is a good one to be in, however, not sure how getting a potential tanking from Kerry in Croke Park a couple of weeks before Championship would serve them well. However, if both Mayo and Armagh lose, depending on the margin of Kildare's win vs Armagh's loss, one of them could end up in the league final.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
From an Armagh perspective, any national final is a good one to be in, however, not sure how getting a potential tanking from Kerry in Croke Park a couple of weeks before Championship would serve them well. However, if both Mayo and Armagh lose, depending on the margin of Kildare's win vs Armagh's loss, one of them could end up in the league final.
If Armagh were up for it, then Kerry would likely beat them, but not deliver a tanking. This is not Derry v Dublin of a few years ago.
If we did get to a final it would at least highlight potential problems in the team that could be addressed before Donegal.
To be relegated odds
Monaghan 3/10
Tyrone 4/7
Kildare 15/8
Dublin 2/1
Donegal 15/2
To play Kerry in the final
Mayo 1/7
Armagh 4/1
Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
From an Armagh perspective, any national final is a good one to be in, however, not sure how getting a potential tanking from Kerry in Croke Park a couple of weeks before Championship would serve them well. However, if both Mayo and Armagh lose, depending on the margin of Kildare's win vs Armagh's loss, one of them could end up in the league final.
I completely see your logic but there are 3 worthwhile trophies to play for all season (of which the national league is one) and we are talking about the potential fear of receiving a beating in a national final. If that is the attitude (and I'm not saying that it is yours but I have heard it said by some) then what is the point in turning out. If Armagh get to the final they will at least be competitive and I would hope that some lessons would have been learned from Sundays match to put into practice the next day. The more exposure they have to these high level games the better as far as I'm concerned.
The same thing applies to Mayo in facing Kildare and some of the talk that they might want to avoid a League final. Neither of these counties are exactly laden with national titles so I don't see why they should be trying to avoid them for fear of receiving a hiding. That said I don't expect either county to play with full sides nor full motivation at the weekend. If Armagh happened to get to a League final on scoring difference then it would be great preparation for championship imo. Much better than anything that could be gained from a training session.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2022, 02:59:37 PM
To be relegated odds
Monaghan 3/10
Tyrone 4/7
Kildare 15/8
Dublin 2/1
Donegal 15/2
To play Kerry in the final
Mayo 1/7
Armagh 4/1
I'd say that is about right Kerry will enjoy dropping Tyrone, can't see Kildare living with any Mayo team.
Given the bookies expect Mayo to beat Kildare and Donegal to beat Armagh, it's surprising they have Tyrone much shorter favs to be relegated than Kildare.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 22, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
From an Armagh perspective, any national final is a good one to be in, however, not sure how getting a potential tanking from Kerry in Croke Park a couple of weeks before Championship would serve them well. However, if both Mayo and Armagh lose, depending on the margin of Kildare's win vs Armagh's loss, one of them could end up in the league final.
I completely see your logic but there are 3 worthwhile trophies to play for all season (of which the national league is one) and we are talking about the potential fear of receiving a beating in a national final. If that is the attitude (and I'm not saying that it is yours but I have heard it said by some) then what is the point in turning out. If Armagh get to the final they will at least be competitive and I would hope that some lessons would have been learned from Sundays match to put into practice the next day. The more exposure they have to these high level games the better as far as I'm concerned.
The same thing applies to Mayo in facing Kildare and some of the talk that they might want to avoid a League final. Neither of these counties are exactly laden with national titles so I don't see why they should be trying to avoid them for fear of receiving a hiding. That said I don't expect either county to play with full sides nor full motivation at the weekend. If Armagh happened to get to a League final on scoring difference then it would be great preparation for championship imo. Much better than anything that could be gained from a training session.
I'd love to see Armagh in the NFL Final, especially in Croke Park. The more games they get in HQ, the better for this team. So if it is to happen, bring it on. The only fear is a bad day out against Kerry, and picking up the pieces just a few weeks before a trip to Ballybofey, but would still want to see Armagh in a national final none the less. Likewise on Sunday, do Armagh go full tilt with their potential championship line out and go for the win ... a big call to be made on that front by management. I don't think they will.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 22, 2022, 01:55:20 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 22, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
I think Tyrone are screwed as can't see them getting anything this weekend and not convinced donegal will go full pelt v armagh
Donegal can't afford not to take the game lightly, I think they are a near certainty to win that match as Armagh will likely play some fringe players and treat it as a pre championship training camp. Mayo could well do the same in terms of experimentation against Kildare but there is more of an expectation on the home side to put in a performance. Similar with Kerry against Tyrone although I think Kerry would be too strong for Tyrone in any scenario anyway. So I can see Donegal and Kerry winning quite comfortably whereas the Mayo v Kildare game is much more difficult to call.
Kildare have surprised me in terms of the level they have reached and even if they do get relegated I think they have shown enough improvement to think that they can at least challenge Dublin in Leinster later this summer. They do need to prove yet that they can play as well when taken out of Newbridge though.
I think that's debateable.
We've been relegated a few times over the past ten years or so and it hasn't made much difference to championship performances. We won Ulster in 2011, 2014 and 2019 out of Division 2.
Different team obviously, but I don't think it's a big concern in itself.
I'd like to see Donegal put in a good performance, end their appalling record in Letterkenny and guarantee safety, but the main thing is getting players who've missed a lot of games back into the team and functioning.
Is the Division 1 final on the Saturday or the Sunday? Hopefully Mayo qualify.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2022, 04:12:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 22, 2022, 03:35:44 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on March 22, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
From an Armagh perspective, any national final is a good one to be in, however, not sure how getting a potential tanking from Kerry in Croke Park a couple of weeks before Championship would serve them well. However, if both Mayo and Armagh lose, depending on the margin of Kildare's win vs Armagh's loss, one of them could end up in the league final.
I completely see your logic but there are 3 worthwhile trophies to play for all season (of which the national league is one) and we are talking about the potential fear of receiving a beating in a national final. If that is the attitude (and I'm not saying that it is yours but I have heard it said by some) then what is the point in turning out. If Armagh get to the final they will at least be competitive and I would hope that some lessons would have been learned from Sundays match to put into practice the next day. The more exposure they have to these high level games the better as far as I'm concerned.
The same thing applies to Mayo in facing Kildare and some of the talk that they might want to avoid a League final. Neither of these counties are exactly laden with national titles so I don't see why they should be trying to avoid them for fear of receiving a hiding. That said I don't expect either county to play with full sides nor full motivation at the weekend. If Armagh happened to get to a League final on scoring difference then it would be great preparation for championship imo. Much better than anything that could be gained from a training session.
I'd love to see Armagh in the NFL Final, especially in Croke Park. The more games they get in HQ, the better for this team. So if it is to happen, bring it on. The only fear is a bad day out against Kerry, and picking up the pieces just a few weeks before a trip to Ballybofey, but would still want to see Armagh in a national final none the less. Likewise on Sunday, do Armagh go full tilt with their potential championship line out and go for the win ... a big call to be made on that front by management. I don't think they will.
One thing that won't be lost on the Armagh management before the championship is that their scoring has been drying up.
1-7 v Monaghan (albeit a terrible evening), 1:10 v Kildare, 1:10 v Mayo, 13pts v Kerry.
Meanwhile they scored 2:15 v Dublin and 2:14 v Tyrone. Their average score in last year's four league games was 18.5 points.
13 points would have won many's a championship match in the 1990s, but won't win too many in the 2020s.
The main difference seems to be more wides and I think that's because they are shooting under more pressure in turn because the competition have been figuring them out. Or have they found it difficult to maintain the workrate that allowed them to get up and down the pitch against Dublin / Tyrone and as a consequence the forward play is suffering?
Was it not obvious enough even then that Armagh were miles ahead with their preparation than their opponents at the start of the league? Dublin were in full experimentation and Tyrone still getting over America and the previous few months of celebrations. Both clearly on a very different timetable to Armagh anyway. That's fair enough with three teams coming from different places and Armagh can say they needed to be further ahead at that stage and that it has ensured their Division 1 place too, but don't think those two games were really much of a yardstick for what is to come.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2022, 07:54:53 PM
Is the Division 1 final on the Saturday or the Sunday? Hopefully Mayo qualify.
D3/4 Finals on Saturday and 1/2 on the Sunday.
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
I'd like to see Donegal put in a good performance, end their appalling record in Letterkenny and guarantee safety, but the main thing is getting players who've missed a lot of games back into the team and functioning.
Is it not the case that the counties get most of the money from the League? By having the game in Letterkenny, capacity 8000, Donegal are locking out thousands of supporters who would pay to be there.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2022, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
I'd like to see Donegal put in a good performance, end their appalling record in Letterkenny and guarantee safety, but the main thing is getting players who've missed a lot of games back into the team and functioning.
Is it not the case that the counties get most of the money from the League? By having the game in Letterkenny, capacity 8000, Donegal are locking out thousands of supporters who would pay to be there.
It's virtually a dead rubber game for Donegal and are Donegal league games that well attended? I doubt it.
Quote from: Main Street on March 23, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2022, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
I'd like to see Donegal put in a good performance, end their appalling record in Letterkenny and guarantee safety, but the main thing is getting players who've missed a lot of games back into the team and functioning.
Is it not the case that the counties get most of the money from the League? By having the game in Letterkenny, capacity 8000, Donegal are locking out thousands of supporters who would pay to be there.
It's virtually a dead rubber game for Donegal and are Donegal league games that well attended? I doubt it.
If Donegal lose and Tyrone/Kildare pick up a point, Donegal will be relegated along with whoever loses the Dublin v Monaghan game, so I wouldn't say its a dead rubber.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2022, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
I'd like to see Donegal put in a good performance, end their appalling record in Letterkenny and guarantee safety, but the main thing is getting players who've missed a lot of games back into the team and functioning.
Is it not the case that the counties get most of the money from the League? By having the game in Letterkenny, capacity 8000, Donegal are locking out thousands of supporters who would pay to be there.
I'd say there will be a few caught out with kids now needing tickets, from memory too the parking isn't great around the ground.
Its really interesting end to the season. Any 1 of 5 teams can join Kerry in the final and only Mayo control their own destiny in that regard. Any two of 5 can be relegated and only Dublin and Monaghan dont control their own destiny in that regard.
It reminds me of the 2009 AFC playoff race
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
A league game in Killarney - Kerry will be hell bent on winning regardless. If they wanted to relegate anyone it'd be Dublin, which I guess losing to Tyrone would cover 1/3rd of that occurring.
Kerry's team will be experimental in certain areas. Whether David Clifford is included from the start will make a difference. Sean O'Shea is unlikely to be risked. Big game for about 10 Kerry players, as could be their last chance to either cement their Championship place or to be put in the frame, presuming League Final will see Kerry's Championship 15 starting (barring injuries).
Quote from: blanketattack on March 23, 2022, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 22, 2022, 02:08:35 PM
So many ways the tables can be decided.
Likely outcome I believe
Tyrone win. Kerry have nothing to play for but it depends on if they want to relegate Tyrone.
Kildare win. Mayo don't want to go into the league final - evident last week they don't really want it.
Donegal win. Do Donegal want to force Armagh into another game before their championship meeting? If they win and Mayo lose, Armagh have no choice as there could be more than 3 teams on 7 points.
Dublin win. Won't be good enough as the three teams above them would have won meaning they are relegated on 6 points along with Monaghan on 4.
A league game in Killarney - Kerry will be hell bent on winning regardless. If they wanted to relegate anyone it'd be Dublin, which I guess losing to Tyrone would cover 1/3rd of that occurring.
Kerry's team will be experimental in certain areas. Whether David Clifford is included from the start will make a difference. Sean O'Shea is unlikely to be risked. Big game for about 10 Kerry players, as could be their last chance to either cement their Championship place or to be put in the frame, presuming League Final will see Kerry's Championship 15 starting (barring injuries).
Kerry were 1/500 to get to the league final before the Armagh game (even before the result of the Tyrone Mayo game was played) so I would expect the approach to the Tyrone game to be pretty similar in terms of selection i.e no one with any sort of knock or injury to be risked at all.
Kerry won't mess about and will want to lay down a marker. If it was another team coming to town with the League Final in the bag then I think it would be different.
I don't know what Mayo will do against Kildare but I hope they rotate a bit again and don't put out the best 15. Kildare were actually awesome last Sunday and a dry ball makes a massive odds with the pace they have all over the pitch.
I think the Dubs are after getting it together a bit so they will beat Monaghan.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 23, 2022, 02:17:53 PM
Kerry won't mess about and will want to lay down a marker. If it was another team coming to town with the League Final in the bag then I think it would be different.
I don't know what Mayo will do against Kildare but I hope they rotate a bit again and don't put out the best 15. Kildare were actually awesome last Sunday and a dry ball makes a massive odds with the pace they have all over the pitch.
I think the Dubs are after getting it together a bit so they will beat Monaghan.
Dubs win the most likely outcome, however, if there's one team I wouldn't be writing off in a head to head against anyone, it's Monaghan.
Clifford got injured against Tyrone last August so maybe/hopefully they will be spooked into not risking him.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 23, 2022, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 23, 2022, 02:17:53 PM
Kerry won't mess about and will want to lay down a marker. If it was another team coming to town with the League Final in the bag then I think it would be different.
I don't know what Mayo will do against Kildare but I hope they rotate a bit again and don't put out the best 15. Kildare were actually awesome last Sunday and a dry ball makes a massive odds with the pace they have all over the pitch.
I think the Dubs are after getting it together a bit so they will beat Monaghan.
Dubs win the most likely outcome, however, if there's one team I wouldn't be writing off in a head to head against anyone, it's Monaghan.
I don't fancy the Dubs to go to Clones and pick up a win to be honest.
Quote from: clarshack on March 23, 2022, 02:40:36 PM
Clifford got injured against Tyrone last August so maybe/hopefully they will be spooked into not risking him.
He cramped up in injury time. After the league final they'll not have another competitive game to the AIQF or possibly semi. May as well make the most of the league.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 23, 2022, 06:39:20 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 23, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 22, 2022, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2022, 05:00:40 PM
I'd like to see Donegal put in a good performance, end their appalling record in Letterkenny and guarantee safety, but the main thing is getting players who've missed a lot of games back into the team and functioning.
Is it not the case that the counties get most of the money from the League? By having the game in Letterkenny, capacity 8000, Donegal are locking out thousands of supporters who would pay to be there.
It's virtually a dead rubber game for Donegal and are Donegal league games that well attended? I doubt it.
If Donegal lose and Tyrone/Kildare pick up a point, Donegal will be relegated along with whoever loses the Dublin v Monaghan game, so I wouldn't say its a dead rubber.
That's fair enough, I'll reduce Donegal's relegation risk status, from virtually safe to just the most favoured county to survive.
In any event is there any chance that some fans wanting to attend will be disappointed due to a sold out stadium?
Conditions may be decent this weekend but I always wonder how many all irelands dublin and kerry would have if they had to go to clones and win to stay in the championship
Quote from: An Watcher on March 23, 2022, 05:13:55 PM
Conditions may be decent this weekend but I always wonder how many all irelands dublin and kerry would have if they had to go to clones and win to stay in the championship
Probably none. ::)
Haha one each
As Monaghan wouldn't have been able to keep the ball kicked out to them for 95 of the last 120 years they'd probably have about 90 AIs between them.
Quote from: Gael85 on March 22, 2022, 10:27:45 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 22, 2022, 07:54:53 PM
Is the Division 1 final on the Saturday or the Sunday? Hopefully Mayo qualify.
D3/4 Finals on Saturday and 1/2 on the Sunday.
Was thinking that alright, but the local paper had the Division 1 down on the Saturday.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 23, 2022, 06:42:51 PM
As Monaghan wouldn't have been able to keep the ball kicked out to them for 95 of the last 120 years they'd probably have about 90 AIs between them.
Unfortunately for the sake of football and all that is humanly good, I very much doubt that Monaghan can relegate the Dubs with a victory. Banty we know has eccentric predilections, one of the most notable from the past was placing Darren Hughes in goal V Armagh USFC and the strange events preceding that game. These days his peculiarities have worsened, he picks 7 or 8 players in their positions and it's as if he places the remaining players' names into a hat for random selection. Added to that, player training injuries have doubled over these past 3 years.
Should Monaghan prevail due to some player inspired miraculous intervention, it would be a Pyrrhic victory as Banty would surly jump up on the nearest soapbox, wave the victorious Div 1 retained status and proclaim his ambition to pursue his mission for 4 more years.
And I really like and respect the man.
Quote from: An Watcher on March 23, 2022, 05:13:55 PM
Conditions may be decent this weekend but I always wonder how many all irelands dublin and kerry would have if they had to go to clones and win to stay in the championship
Dublin have the biggest population. If Monaghan did they could have won 30 All.Irelands.
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2022, 06:20:10 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 23, 2022, 05:13:55 PM
Conditions may be decent this weekend but I always wonder how many all irelands dublin and kerry would have if they had to go to clones and win to stay in the championship
Dublin have the biggest population. If Monaghan did they could have won 30 All.Irelands.
Are most of you 95000 posts as enlightened as this gem!
Quote from: Average Score on March 24, 2022, 07:31:01 AM
Quote from: seafoid on March 24, 2022, 06:20:10 AM
Quote from: An Watcher on March 23, 2022, 05:13:55 PM
Conditions may be decent this weekend but I always wonder how many all irelands dublin and kerry would have if they had to go to clones and win to stay in the championship
Dublin have the biggest population. If Monaghan did they could have won 30 All.Irelands.
Are most of you 95000 posts as enlightened as this gem!
The name should give it away :D
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12. Fergal Boland - Fearghal Ó'Beolláin - Aghamore
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Mayo team and subs for Sunday.
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
Not a chance Kerry will let Tyrone come down and take the points; O'Connor wouldn't be having that
Could be a dirty one, plenty of cards
Quote from: Dire Ear on March 24, 2022, 04:03:02 PM
Not a chance Kerry will let Tyrone come down and take the points; O'Connor wouldn't be having that
Could be a dirty one, plenty of cards
Mother's Day ones I'm sure....
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
Jack O'Connor didn't give his squad much of a run in the McGrath cup so I doubt he'll do it this weekend. He'll want to keep the unbeaten run going and bring that momentum into the championship
Farrandeelin has posted up the Mayo team, the main question is how many of that team will start against Galway on April 24th, Rob Hennelly,Diarmuid O'Connor will be back in but its looking doubtful that Cillian O'Connor will feature having missed all of the league. Kildare's need is greater in this game and should grab at least a draw.
On Donegal they look so disorganised, defence is too loose their attacking play is relying on individual moments and their record in Letterkenny is poor. Armagh will be more than delighted get a 3rd year in Div 1 and have a decent chance of reaching the final. Scores have dried up in recent weeks for them.
I'd agreed Monaghan v Dublin is probably the game of the day. Can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat? last year they stayed up by the skin of their teeth but helped by Galway who really should have won.
I think Dublin will beat Monaghan well tbh. They've stepped up a bit. (Happy to be wrong as I would like to see them in division 2 ;D)
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 24, 2022, 04:17:15 PM
I think Dublin will beat Monaghan well tbh. They've stepped up a bit. (Happy to be wrong as I would like to see them in division 2 ;D)
The Dubs have stepped up and their starting team is looking more like a championship team. Monaghan have already lost two of their home games. The best replacement for Malachy O'Rourke was Banty? That made no sense to me at all.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 24, 2022, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
Jack O'Connor didn't give his squad much of a run in the McGrath cup so I doubt he'll do it this weekend. He'll want to keep the unbeaten run going and bring that momentum into the championship
Farrandeelin has posted up the Mayo team, the main question is how many of that team will start against Galway on April 24th, Rob Hennelly,Diarmuid O'Connor will be back in but its looking doubtful that Cillian O'Connor will feature having missed all of the league. Kildare's need is greater in this game and should grab at least a draw.
On Donegal they look so disorganised, defence is too loose their attacking play is relying on individual moments and their record in Letterkenny is poor. Armagh will be more than delighted get a 3rd year in Div 1 and have a decent chance of reaching the final. Scores have dried up in recent weeks for them.
I'd agreed Monaghan v Dublin is probably the game of the day. Can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat? last year they stayed up by the skin of their teeth but helped by Galway who really should have won.
Not only can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat, it mightn't even be the same rabbit that was put into the hat in the first place :-) I wouldn't put it past him to contrive a grinding one point win.
Philly McMahon (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html") thinks that like any fan, 'Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated but with the big base that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that.'
First I thought he was saying that relegation would be more of a problem for Dublin because due to their large fanbase the unhappiness would weigh heavier in the metropolis than in counties with a lesser fanbase.
But it's more that Dublin fans would also be unhappy with relegation because there are a lot of them.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 24, 2022, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
Jack O'Connor didn't give his squad much of a run in the McGrath cup so I doubt he'll do it this weekend. He'll want to keep the unbeaten run going and bring that momentum into the championship
Farrandeelin has posted up the Mayo team, the main question is how many of that team will start against Galway on April 24th, Rob Hennelly,Diarmuid O'Connor will be back in but its looking doubtful that Cillian O'Connor will feature having missed all of the league. Kildare's need is greater in this game and should grab at least a draw.
On Donegal they look so disorganised, defence is too loose their attacking play is relying on individual moments and their record in Letterkenny is poor. Armagh will be more than delighted get a 3rd year in Div 1 and have a decent chance of reaching the final. Scores have dried up in recent weeks for them.
I'd agreed Monaghan v Dublin is probably the game of the day. Can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat? last year they stayed up by the skin of their teeth but helped by Galway who really should have won.
As I said earlier the approach for the Armagh game is likely to be very similar to lineup for the Tyrone game.
A combination of some of the first 15 and some squad players being given a run.
No-one with any sort of injury or knock risked.
It definitely won't be a championship 15 but it won't be a B team either.
Kerry lads trying to compete for both starting and squad places.
Anyone who thinks Kerry will be turning up to get their bellies tickled at home in Killarney against Tyrone hasn't been paying attention.
I expect this to be a tight tricky affair.
I think Dublin will get the win against Monaghan, who have flirted with relegation so many times and survived but I think will get caught this time.
Dublin still seem a long way off where they were but there were enough serious flashes of the old Dublin against Donegal I thought.
I think Dublin will get the win and at least one of Tyrone, Kildare and Donegal to not get more than 5 points to keep Dublin safe.
I think the likeliest scenario is that Tyrone, Kildare and Donegal will all lose and the 2nd relegation place will come down to 3 teams on 5 points so score difference will come into it.
Tyrone are on -12, Donegal are on -9 and Kildare are on +1.
I can't see Mayo beating Kildare badly enough that Kildare will end up going down on score difference.
However the worry for Kildare though is a situation where one of Tyrone or Donegal win and then end up on a head-to-head with either Donegal or Tyrone both who have the head-to-head advantage over them. The reverse of this is Donegal who will be hoping it comes down to head-to-head as they have wins over both Tyrone and Kildare.
Tyrone will be hoping for a head-to-head against Kildare but not against Donegal.
If Tyrone, Donegal and Kildare all lose the question is what the margin of loss is in both games and whether it's enough to overcome Donegal's 3 point advantage.
If it comes to a situation where Kildare, Tyrone and Donegal are all on 5 points and Donegal and Tyrone are level on score difference e.g. Tyrone lose by 1 point Donegal lose by 4 points, then it goes to total scored.
In this case Tyrone would surely be relegated with their total score being 67 versus Donegal's 78 and Kildare's 86.
I think Dublin and Kildare will survive and Monaghan will go down.
Right now I think Tyrone are likelier than Donegal to join them given the various scenarios.
Thats a good summary 2hands
Very intriguing final day
Quote from: God14 on March 25, 2022, 06:16:12 AM
Thats a good summary 2hands
Very intriguing final day
Very intriguing indeed. A marketing man's dream - but not being pushed too hard by GAA marketing guys.
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
They really don't.
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Philly McMahon (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html") thinks that like any fan, 'Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated but with the big base that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that.'
First I thought he was saying that relegation would be more of a problem for Dublin because due to their large fanbase the unhappiness would weigh heavier in the metropolis than in counties with a lesser fanbase.
But it's more that Dublin fans would also be unhappy with relegation because there are a lot of them.
Does he not mean big base as in playing numbers?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Philly McMahon (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html") thinks that like any fan, 'Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated but with the big base that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that.'
First I thought he was saying that relegation would be more of a problem for Dublin because due to their large fanbase the unhappiness would weigh heavier in the metropolis than in counties with a lesser fanbase.
But it's more that Dublin fans would also be unhappy with relegation because there are a lot of them.
Does he not mean big base as in playing numbers?
I think he is insinuating that the fair-weather fan-base, which makes up the vast majority of Dublin fans, may disappear again
Quote from: Average Score on March 25, 2022, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
They really don't.
We would love to. But can't see us going all guns blazing with our championship team. Still fancy us to nick a win either way.
Quote from: KickPass on March 25, 2022, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Philly McMahon (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html") thinks that like any fan, 'Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated but with the big base that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that.'
First I thought he was saying that relegation would be more of a problem for Dublin because due to their large fanbase the unhappiness would weigh heavier in the metropolis than in counties with a lesser fanbase.
But it's more that Dublin fans would also be unhappy with relegation because there are a lot of them.
Does he not mean big base as in playing numbers?
I think he is insinuating that the fair-weather fan-base, which makes up the vast majority of Dublin fans, may disappear again
The attendance at the Donegal game was 15k.
I think some of them might have already disappeared.
If Dublin did end up in Divison 2 you wonder if some of their games might end up back in Parnell Park.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 25, 2022, 07:15:44 AM
Quote from: God14 on March 25, 2022, 06:16:12 AM
Thats a good summary 2hands
Very intriguing final day
Very intriguing indeed. A marketing man's dream - but not being pushed too hard by GAA marketing guys.
I actually wonder what the in-house crew do at all? I mean any campaign, etc comes from sponsors via the agencies. Like the league is closing and you have nothing.
Like any decent explainer I see is from forums like this...
If Monaghan go down they may be some time there.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2022, 09:18:03 AM
Quote from: Average Score on March 25, 2022, 07:51:22 AM
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
They really don't.
We would love to. But can't see us going all guns blazing with our championship team. Still fancy us to nick a win either way.
The supporters would love to, doubt the team would want to go full pelt against Kerry prior to Championship, Armagh will have had a great year staying in Division one and making an Ulster Final.
Dublins defense still looks very suspect. Mc Manus could have a field day and save the day again for the farney
I expect Donegal to crush Armagh. The flowing, attacking football we've played all year will allow us to dominate ... we are playing in a ground that's a total fortress for us ... we have a great balance across our whole team and are not dependent on any one player. Easy home win for us.
Quote from: StephenC on March 25, 2022, 01:43:47 PM
I expect Donegal to crush Armagh. The flowing, attacking football we've played all year will allow us to dominate ... we are playing in a ground that's a total fortress for us ... we have a great balance across our whole team and are not dependent on any one player. Easy home win for us.
Very good. Spoken like a
Russia Donegal Today broadcaster
Quote from: balladmaker on March 24, 2022, 06:36:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 24, 2022, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
Jack O'Connor didn't give his squad much of a run in the McGrath cup so I doubt he'll do it this weekend. He'll want to keep the unbeaten run going and bring that momentum into the championship
Farrandeelin has posted up the Mayo team, the main question is how many of that team will start against Galway on April 24th, Rob Hennelly,Diarmuid O'Connor will be back in but its looking doubtful that Cillian O'Connor will feature having missed all of the league. Kildare's need is greater in this game and should grab at least a draw.
On Donegal they look so disorganised, defence is too loose their attacking play is relying on individual moments and their record in Letterkenny is poor. Armagh will be more than delighted get a 3rd year in Div 1 and have a decent chance of reaching the final. Scores have dried up in recent weeks for them.
I'd agreed Monaghan v Dublin is probably the game of the day. Can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat? last year they stayed up by the skin of their teeth but helped by Galway who really should have won.
Not only can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat, it mightn't even be the same rabbit that was put into the hat in the first place :-) I wouldn't put it past him to contrive a grinding one point win.
You just don't know what Monaghan team are going to turn up. The side that broke Donegals 12 year unbeaten record in Ballybofey or the side that capitulated tamely against kildare.
Relegation has looked inevitable for a good few years now as McManus, Hughes, Wylie, Walsh etc all age at the same time and other players have since retired, yet they continue to remain at the top table and often by the skin of their teeth. I don't expect them to beat Dublin but you can not rule it out either. Perhaps there will be one last hurrah in division one for Banty's men and it would be worth seeing it just to hear his interview afterwards.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 25, 2022, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on March 24, 2022, 06:36:09 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 24, 2022, 04:13:51 PM
Quote from: ck on March 24, 2022, 03:42:19 PM
Kerry surely will give their squad a run in a meaningless game V Tyrone? This allows Tyrone swoop in for a win and retain Div.1. TYRONE TO WIN.
Same for Mayo??.. which gives Kildare a shout? Mayo are playing different players every week so he may opt to go with his best 15, if he knows it. KILDARE TO WIN.
Donegal may have to win to stay up V Armagh who want to get to a league final(?). These 2 meet each other in C'ship also so it could be shadow boxing. Donegal are playing horrible defensive football again so ARMAGH TO WIN.
Monaghan are at home to an improving Dublin. Both have to win, this will be the game of the day as both go for the win. DUBLIN TO SHADE IT.
Armagh and Kerry into Div.1 league final.
Donegal and Monaghan to be relegated.
Jack O'Connor didn't give his squad much of a run in the McGrath cup so I doubt he'll do it this weekend. He'll want to keep the unbeaten run going and bring that momentum into the championship
Farrandeelin has posted up the Mayo team, the main question is how many of that team will start against Galway on April 24th, Rob Hennelly,Diarmuid O'Connor will be back in but its looking doubtful that Cillian O'Connor will feature having missed all of the league. Kildare's need is greater in this game and should grab at least a draw.
On Donegal they look so disorganised, defence is too loose their attacking play is relying on individual moments and their record in Letterkenny is poor. Armagh will be more than delighted get a 3rd year in Div 1 and have a decent chance of reaching the final. Scores have dried up in recent weeks for them.
I'd agreed Monaghan v Dublin is probably the game of the day. Can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat? last year they stayed up by the skin of their teeth but helped by Galway who really should have won.
Not only can Banty pull the rabbit out of the hat, it mightn't even be the same rabbit that was put into the hat in the first place :-) I wouldn't put it past him to contrive a grinding one point win.
You just don't know what Monaghan team are going to turn up. The side that broke Donegals 12 year unbeaten record in Ballybofey or the side that capitulated tamely against kildare.
Relegation has looked inevitable for a good few years now as McManus, Hughes, Wylie, Walsh etc all age at the same time and other players have since retired, yet they continue to remain at the top table and often by the skin of their teeth. I don't expect them to beat Dublin but you can not rule it out either. Perhaps there will be one last hurrah in division one for Banty's men and it would be worth seeing it just to hear his interview afterwards.
Would be some job trying to get him for a interview as he'll likely run around the field bare chested and climbing the goal posts.
Quote from: KickPass on March 25, 2022, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Philly McMahon (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html") thinks that like any fan, 'Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated but with the big base that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that.'
First I thought he was saying that relegation would be more of a problem for Dublin because due to their large fanbase the unhappiness would weigh heavier in the metropolis than in counties with a lesser fanbase.
But it's more that Dublin fans would also be unhappy with relegation because there are a lot of them.
Does he not mean big base as in playing numbers?
I think he is insinuating that the fair-weather fan-base, which makes up the vast majority of Dublin fans, may disappear again
Probably Armagh18 is right, Philly's more likely to be referring to the large pool of players. It would be equally true though if he had said
"Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated, but with the big bank account that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html)
Dublin and Tyrone both took it handy in the early rounds but stopped arsing around by halfway. Monaghan were unlucky in the draw.
Are any of the games on TV. See the Dublin game is on tg4 but is that it?
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 25, 2022, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: KickPass on March 25, 2022, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 25, 2022, 09:10:21 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 24, 2022, 06:40:40 PM
Philly McMahon (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/it-will-feel-like-the-world-has-ended-as-a-dublin-fan-if-we-get-relegated-philly-mcmahon-on-dubs-survival-bid-41483420.html") thinks that like any fan, 'Dublin fans won't like to see a Dublin team being relegated but with the big base that Dublin has, the fans would be unhappy with that.'
First I thought he was saying that relegation would be more of a problem for Dublin because due to their large fanbase the unhappiness would weigh heavier in the metropolis than in counties with a lesser fanbase.
But it's more that Dublin fans would also be unhappy with relegation because there are a lot of them.
Does he not mean big base as in playing numbers?
I think he is insinuating that the fair-weather fan-base, which makes up the vast majority of Dublin fans, may disappear again
The attendance at the Donegal game was 15k.
I think some of them might have already disappeared.
If Dublin did end up in Divison 2 you wonder if some of their games might end up back in Parnell Park.
Was a round of club games played last Sunday morning/afternoon in Dublin which wouldn't have helped the attendance.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 25, 2022, 04:40:21 PM
Are any of the games on TV. See the Dublin game is on tg4 but is that it?
That's it for division one games. Div 2 relegation decider Offaly v Cork is live on the TG4 app
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 25, 2022, 04:40:21 PM
Are any of the games on TV. See the Dublin game is on tg4 but is that it?
That's it for division one games. Div 2 relegation decider Offaly v Cork is live on the TG4 app
thats poor
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 25, 2022, 04:40:21 PM
Are any of the games on TV. See the Dublin game is on tg4 but is that it?
I see the Kerry game didn't make the schedule.
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.
Yip. They are doing a very good job. And they have the rights so no point in complaining about the other broadcasters
It's actually hard to believe that Armagh are not in the mix for relegation, it's just not normal. Any other year we're either already relegated or we're def one of the contenders to go down...No Pressure lads on final day...
Kerry & Tyrone to draw
Monaghan & Dublin to draw
Donegal to beat Armagh
Mayo to beat Kildare
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.
TG4 do so much with feck all! Like even this is innovative and I don't remember a Red Zone before?
I think Kildare will be relying on other results on Sunday but it would be amazing to stay up.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 25, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.
TG4 do so much with feck all! Like even this is innovative and I don't remember a Red Zone before?
I think Kildare will be relying on other results on Sunday but it would be amazing to stay up.
TG4 have been unreal in their GAA coverage over the years between club, college and National League. Absolutely fantastic coverage for the budget they're on.
They have raised the profile of these 3 without doubt then other sponsors like AIB boosted them even further.
RTÉ on a Sunday evening with the old boys club is a joke.
Quote from: illdecide on March 25, 2022, 05:40:36 PM
It's actually hard to believe that Armagh are not in the mix for relegation, it's just not normal. Any other year we're either already relegated or we're def one of the contenders to go down...No Pressure lads on final day...
Kerry & Tyrone to draw
Monaghan & Dublin to draw
Donegal to beat Armagh
Mayo to beat Kildare
Are Armagh going to put out a strong side?
I'm assuming Bonner will go with something similar to last week's line up against the Dubs, unless any more of the injured lads are ready for a run-out.
Quote from: marty34 on March 25, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 25, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.
TG4 do so much with feck all! Like even this is innovative and I don't remember a Red Zone before?
I think Kildare will be relying on other results on Sunday but it would be amazing to stay up.
TG4 have been unreal in their GAA coverage over the years between club, college and National League. Absolutely fantastic coverage for the budget they're on.
They have raised the profile of these 3 without doubt then other sponsors like AIB boosted them even further.
RTÉ on a Sunday evening with the old boys club is a joke.
True, RTÉ's coverage of our national games is nothing short of disgraceful. Just on that...you wouldn't mind TG4 having their live game pundits outside in the cold given the budget they're on, but having RTÉ analysts out is terrible. Surely there's some sort of a studio room in Montrose they could use. I think the rugby analysts have a studio.
Kerry to beat Tyrone
Monaghan & Dublin to draw
Armagh to beat Donegal
Mayo to beat Kildare
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2022, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 25, 2022, 05:40:36 PM
It's actually hard to believe that Armagh are not in the mix for relegation, it's just not normal. Any other year we're either already relegated or we're def one of the contenders to go down...No Pressure lads on final day...
Kerry & Tyrone to draw
Monaghan & Dublin to draw
Donegal to beat Armagh
Mayo to beat Kildare
Are Armagh going to put out a strong side?
I'm assuming Bonner will go with something similar to last week's line up against the Dubs, unless any more of the injured lads are ready for a run-out.
I would imagine KMcG will put out a strong enough team with Championship only around the corner but you know yourself when you don't have to win playing a team who's at home and have to win it'll be tough for Armagh to get anything from that game and throw Donega'ls home form into the mix and it should be 2pts for the home team with 3-4pts to spare
Quote from: illdecide on March 25, 2022, 06:54:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2022, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 25, 2022, 05:40:36 PM
It's actually hard to believe that Armagh are not in the mix for relegation, it's just not normal. Any other year we're either already relegated or we're def one of the contenders to go down...No Pressure lads on final day...
Kerry & Tyrone to draw
Monaghan & Dublin to draw
Donegal to beat Armagh
Mayo to beat Kildare
Are Armagh going to put out a strong side?
I'm assuming Bonner will go with something similar to last week's line up against the Dubs, unless any more of the injured lads are ready for a run-out.
I would imagine KMcG will put out a strong enough team with Championship only around the corner but you know yourself when you don't have to win playing a team who's at home and have to win it'll be tough for Armagh to get anything from that game and throw Donega'ls home form into the mix and it should be 2pts for the home team with 3-4pts to spare
Donegal's only form in O'Donnell Park is a succession of defeats going back about 15 years! ;D
Come to think of it, I think we did beat Armagh there once, maybe about five years ago. But that's about it. Even the Rossies, whom we've routinely beaten in recent times, won up there a few years back.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 25, 2022, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 25, 2022, 05:59:41 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on March 25, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2022, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
They aren't but during the Monaghan v Dublin game they will have a Live vision updates from Donegal v Armagh and Mayo v Kildare.
TG4 do so much with feck all! Like even this is innovative and I don't remember a Red Zone before?
I think Kildare will be relying on other results on Sunday but it would be amazing to stay up.
TG4 have been unreal in their GAA coverage over the years between club, college and National League. Absolutely fantastic coverage for the budget they're on.
They have raised the profile of these 3 without doubt then other sponsors like AIB boosted them even further.
RTÉ on a Sunday evening with the old boys club is a joke.
True, RTÉ's coverage of our national games is nothing short of disgraceful. Just on that...you wouldn't mind TG4 having their live game pundits outside in the cold given the budget they're on, but having RTÉ analysts out is terrible. Surely there's some sort of a studio room in Montrose they could use. I think the rugby analysts have a studio.
If it made commercial sense for RTE to show more do you not think they would do it? There are plenty of other calls on their limited budget other than GAA. But as for the quality of their output, I offer no defence.
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2022, 06:24:25 PM
Quote from: illdecide on March 25, 2022, 05:40:36 PM
It's actually hard to believe that Armagh are not in the mix for relegation, it's just not normal. Any other year we're either already relegated or we're def one of the contenders to go down...No Pressure lads on final day...
Kerry & Tyrone to draw
Monaghan & Dublin to draw
Donegal to beat Armagh
Mayo to beat Kildare
Are Armagh going to put out a strong side?
I'm assuming Bonner will go with something similar to last week's line up against the Dubs, unless any more of the injured lads are ready for a run-out.
Think McGeeney is making 3/4 changes with Murnin one of them.
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
It's not about TG4 who imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1 and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago, beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky, GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything would consider subscribing to that.
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2022, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
It's not about TG4 who imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1 and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago, beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky, GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything would consider subscribing to that.
What would the attendance at those LOI matches be like?
I am all for better quality highlights programmes or deferred coverage being available but supporting attendance has a part to play.
I don't know when the TG4 contract ends but none of the things you mention are a runner in advance of that.
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2022, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
It's not about TG4 who imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1 and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago, beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky, GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything would consider subscribing to that.
What would the attendance at those LOI matches be like?
I am all for better quality highlights programmes or deferred coverage being available but supporting attendance has a part to play.
I don't know when the TG4 contract ends but none of the things you mention are a runner in advance of that.
Shamrock Rovers probably get average 3/4k attendance for games. The rest would be around 2k. Cork City used to get 5k at games when in Premier Division.
Derry City used to get close to 10k around 1990. Nowhere near that now but still pretty healthy I think. Harps as well would put the irish league support to shame
Quote from: Gael85 on March 25, 2022, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 09:20:44 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 25, 2022, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
It's not about TG4 who imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1 and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago, beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky, GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything would consider subscribing to that.
What would the attendance at those LOI matches be like?
I am all for better quality highlights programmes or deferred coverage being available but supporting attendance has a part to play.
I don't know when the TG4 contract ends but none of the things you mention are a runner in advance of that.
Shamrock Rovers probably get average 3/4k attendance for games. The rest would be around 2k. Cork City used to get 5k at games when in Premier Division.
With those sort of numbers you can see why LOI want/need to access a wider audience. GAA have much bigger league attendances.
Not sure the LOI example is one for GAA to follow
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Quote from: LCohen on March 25, 2022, 05:23:40 PM
Tg4 are hardly in a position to broadcast multiple games and the games have to be played at the same time.
It's not about TG4 who imo do a brilliant service covering the GAA
All the div 1 and some div 2 games (not just the televised live and deferred ones), are being captured on camera live with commentary and are fed into RTE studios live, what more does it take to stream out these games on GAAGO?
Any other sports association with two morsels of common sense can manage to send out live streams of all their premier games. Even the LOI can manage that to a professional standard and make money. AFAIR the LOI only started streaming games a few seasons ago, beginning with an amateurish operation.
GAAGO are not doing anything more than streaming some of the games which are already being covered by the tv stations.
They could stream all those games and for other games not being covered by TG4/RTE/Sky, GAAGO could hire a broadcast unit, a minimalist outfit - 4 people, 2 cameras, computer hardware, HD/SD standard and stream those games. And afterwards have the games stored in the clouds for a minimum amount of time. Even I who never pays for anything would consider subscribing to that.
What would the attendance at those LOI matches be like?
I am all for better quality highlights programmes or deferred coverage being available but supporting attendance has a part to play.
I don't know when the TG4 contract ends but none of the things you mention are a runner in advance of that.
Shamrock Rovers probably get average 3/4k attendance for games. The rest would be around 2k. Cork City used to get 5k at games when in Premier Division.
With those sort of numbers you can see why LOI want/need to access a wider audience. GAA have much bigger league attendances.
Not sure the LOI example is one for GAA to follow
What evidence is there to support your view that live streaming is a substitute for live attendance, or that there is not enough demand for streamed service?
Live streaming service can function alongside regular match attendance experience. County GAA supporters are scattered around the country and around the world.
Live streaming of games is a bog standard service these days and one which does not affect attendances. Low match attendances in the LOI reflect the low level of interest in the games, yet they are able to garner enough subscribers to make the live streaming viable. Supporters will still want to go games, there is no substitute for the live experience, when your team wins of course. Even in low attendance leagues such as the Faroese and Iceland football leagues, most all premier games, male and female, are streamed live in HD format, add in selected 2nd division games and cup games.
Strong and experienced Kerry line up.
1 Shane Murphy
2. Dylan Casey 3. Jason Foley 4 Tom O'Sullivan
5. Graham O'Sullivan 6. Tadhg Morley 7. Brian Ó Beaglaíoch
8. Diarmuid O'Connor 9.Joe O'Connor
10. Stephen O'Brien 11. Jack Savage 12. Micheál Burns 13. Tony Brosnan 14. David Clifford 15. Paul Geaney
Subs
16. Shane Ryan
17. Paudie Clifford
18. Jack Barry
19. Adrian Spillane
20. Killian Spillane
21. Greg Horan
22. Darragh Roche
23. Pa Warren
24. Gavin Crowley
25. Gavin White
26. Éanna Ó Conchúir
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
Why is this stat important in any way? Surely the only stat that's important is how much you score. If you get all your scores from frees but still win I'd say you'd still be happy enough. Pat Spillane is the pundit who keeps talking about scores from play and imo it's totally irrelevant. Total scores is the only thing that counts.
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
Why is this stat important in any way? Surely the only stat that's important is how much you score. If you get all your scores from frees but still win I'd say you'd still be happy enough. Pat Spillane is the pundit who keeps talking about scores from play and imo it's totally irrelevant. Total scores is the only thing that counts.
Just wondering are scores from the Mark counted as frees or from play.
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
Why is this stat important in any way? Surely the only stat that's important is how much you score. If you get all your scores from frees but still win I'd say you'd still be happy enough. Pat Spillane is the pundit who keeps talking about scores from play and imo it's totally irrelevant. Total scores is the only thing that counts.
Just wondering are scores from the Mark counted as frees or from play.
Counted as marks, not from play.
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
Why is this stat important in any way? Surely the only stat that’s important is how much you score. If you get all your scores from frees but still win I’d say you’d still be happy enough. Pat Spillane is the pundit who keeps talking about scores from play and imo it’s totally irrelevant. Total scores is the only thing that counts.
Kerry and Kildare will probably look at those stats and know if they are disciplined in the tackle they'll likely win tomorrow.
Had a quick look... Armagh has 26 from frees
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
This has been a Mayo problem going back to at least
1996.
what game is on TG4 tomorrow?
Mon v Dubs
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
This has been a Mayo problem going back to at least
1996.
Seafood picks on Mayo Football. Shock horror. Have a good look at your own county. Plenty of problems there for the last 20 years. Galway are not included in most stats for a reason.
Hopefully Mayo win today. I think it would be nice to get to a league final. It would be nice to have a crack at the All-Ireland champions in waiting while allowing management to look at Galway in the curtain-raiser.
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Only from the 6 starting forwards throughout the league so far. It's worrying from a Mayo perspective which ever way you want to look at it.
This has been a Mayo problem going back to at least
1996.
Seafood picks on Mayo Football. Shock horror. Have a good look at your own county. Plenty of problems there for the last 20 years. Galway are not included in most stats for a reason.
There's lies, damn lies and statistics
If you have good forwards they often get fouled more than average forwards, leading to more frees
Also if you have a really good freetaker, he might convert from 40/50 yards, whereas a mediocre free take would either miss or not even take on a shot
Mayo with five changes
Banty has his boys fired up today, meanwhile Dublin will do well to come out of Clones with a win.
Tyrone up by 2
Quote from: joemamas on March 27, 2022, 01:45:36 PM
Mayo with five changes
Is there even any point in teams naming sides before matches now.
Dublin lad pulled the ball straight out of the monaghan man hands there, def free plus 2 men hanging of him.
RTE website can't even keep their 'live' scores feed within 10 mins of the game!
Dazzler running the show.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 27, 2022, 02:19:01 PM
RTE website can't even keep their 'live' scores feed within 10 mins of the game!
Complete waste of time doing it when it's so far behind!
Mayo 1 up at ht. As it stands, Kildare and Dublin going down.
any wind advantage in Killarney?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 27, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
Dazzler running the show.
Listening to the kerry radio coverage and they said "our forwards are better than Darren McCurry." jesus they are hard to listen to
Tg4 fantastic as usual
In play clips from other grounds aswell as live coverage from Clones
Table "as it stands" every 5 minutes
HT: Monaghan 1-7 Dublin 0-8
Given that we were 4-1 down after about 5 minutes, I'll take that. Can't help but feel we should be further ahead though - in typical fashion for this league, we've left a few handy enough scores behind us. Dubs came on stronger at the end there too and this 2nd half will be tough.
Wasn't feeling too confident after the announced changes at the start of the game, but the lads dug in well to come back. Jones on his first start took his goal very well(though it was shocking how open the defence was), Jack is showing up well, and Mohan - the find of the league for me - has been everywhere and causing a right nuisance.
Going to be a nervy end even regardless of the game in Clones, tight games all around it looks like.
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Dazzler running the show.
Listening to the kerry radio coverage and they said "our forwards are better than Darren McCurry." jesus they are hard to listen to
Ha. Let them think that sure. That attitude worked well last year ::)
What a ball from Kieran Hughes
Goal monaghan!!
Dublin looking rudderless, out thought and out fought today.
Hard to handle that big lad Mohan.
He's our Bomber.
Def free for Dublin, but wouldn't have said that was a yellow card.
100% deserved
Some goal there, unreal
What a finish by McCarron, goal of the year so far.
Murphy, G he missed that penalty by a mile.
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What a finish by McCarron, goal of the year so far.
Brilliant !!
Shocking penalty from Murphy.
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Quote from: RedHand88 on March 27, 2022, 02:20:20 PM
Dazzler running the show.
Listening to the kerry radio coverage and they said "our forwards are better than Darren McCurry." jesus they are hard to listen to
"Hard to listen to " is putting it mildly !
Whet was the last time there were no Leinster teams in Division 1 of the league?
Jack McCarron seems to regularly eat up Dublin for a living. He so hard to gauge, looks slow but 2 great feet.
Unless Monaghan implode they'll put Dublin into Div 2
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 03:07:47 PM
Jack McCarron seems to regularly eat up Dublin for a living. He so hard to gauge, looks slow but 2 great feet.
He has undoubted ability but can be streaky however he is giving Fitzsummons the run around today.
Tyrone are playing like they need the points to stay up. McCurry is a special talent.
Monaghan don't win this, they have been robbed
Cheating dubs are down. Good riddance. Cheats never prosper!!
Well Done Monaghan! Fully Deserved, after all the easy frees the Dubs were given today !
Oh my god, that stuff isn't good for the heart.
Jack McCarron, take a bow! He already put in an incredible performance, but the balls on him to land that free, my god
Fitting end that McCarron got the winner it would have been a travesty if the Dubs had got anything for a listless display. The end of the Dubs era.
The Armagh and, Donegal subs making a fool of themselves here. About time the Gaa enforces serious rules for this shit.
Armagh shithousery on full display again. Can't take their batin'
Another row and what's the common denominator?
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2022, 03:27:54 PM
Another row and what's the common denominator?
Can't hear you from Division 1 shout a bit louder.
Quote from: Schkite on March 27, 2022, 03:24:22 PM
Oh my god, that stuff isn't good for the heart.
Jack McCarron, take a bow! He already put in an incredible performance, but the balls on him to land that free, my god
Fair play, would have expected Beggan to hit it
Tyrone game seemed like a cracker!! Unreal there isn't better coverage of final day in the league.
Any subs getting involved in that crap and bck room staff should get 2 months, it's long over due to come down hard on this crap. It a pure stain on the Gaa and has become common in recent yrs cause the Gaa wouldn't give severe penalties as they too f**king busy making their next money making scheme.
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Another row and what's the common denominator?
Can't hear you from Division 1 shout a bit louder.
Maybe if ye stopped trying to be hard men you might win something or maybe even get to an Ulster final.
Be some suspensions coming out of Donegal Armagh game, based on the standards that all were happy to hold Tyrone to. Let's see if the same rationale is levied at these teams.
Jack McCarron just grabbed the ball and for that last free and knew it was his to score.
Was that a foul for the Dubs' penalty? regardless, strange refereeing all through.
Banty was pumping both fists at the final whistle.
Ah, no headlocks but plenty of swinging men to the ground.
Quote from: KickPass on March 27, 2022, 03:27:30 PM
Armagh shithousery on full display again. Can't take their batin'
Bate by a point cruising about in second gear enjoying the sun? Happy enough with that!
Quote from: KickPass on March 27, 2022, 03:27:30 PM
Armagh shithousery on full display again. Can't take their batin'
Wouldn't go around talking crap again until the game is shown... You embarrassed yourself last time.
Quote from: Main Street on March 27, 2022, 03:31:56 PM
Jack McCarron just grabbed the ball and for that last free and knew it was his to score.
Was that a foul for the Dubs' penalty? regardless, strange refereeing all through.
Banty was pumping both fists at the final whistle.
It was soft penalty, thought the defender flicked the ball away.
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Quote from: Schkite on March 27, 2022, 03:24:22 PM
Oh my god, that stuff isn't good for the heart.
Jack McCarron, take a bow! He already put in an incredible performance, but the balls on him to land that free, my god
Fair play, would have expected Beggan to hit it
That's the thing, normally I'd expect Beggan to kick that given the distance and it being central. But with the form Jack was in, he wanted the responsibility and seems to know he'd knock it over.
That's the most encouraging part of it, he wanted that pressure. In so many tight games in the past, we'd be passing the ball around the 45 with noone wanting to take on a score, or waiting for McManus to step up. He came on at the end as a last throw of the dice, but that whole game was effectively played without him, so that's a positive too, given he won't be around a whole lot longer
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 27, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
Armagh didn't contribute to it at all. Again.
Jaysus ye are some craic, ye should get Mario Ballotelli "why always me" t-shirts printed for the whole panel.
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Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 27, 2022, 03:31:19 PM
Armagh didn't contribute to it at all. Again.
Jaysus ye are some craic, ye should get Mario Ballotelli "why always me" t-shirts printed for the whole panel.
Would hold back on your comments rather than throw around accusations.
Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2022, 03:27:54 PM
Another row and what's the common denominator?
Previously dominant Ulster counties trying to lay down a marker to the up and coming team?
On a separate note will league Sunday use social media evidence to play to their agenda.
Embarrassing from the Monaghan fans. I suppose that was their All Ireland Final win.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 03:31:07 PM
Any subs getting involved in that crap and bck room staff should get 2 months, it's long over due to come down hard on this crap. It a pure stain on the Gaa and has become common in recent yrs cause the Gaa wouldn't give severe penalties as they too f**king busy making their next money making scheme.
Could cost us severely this time around, but I agree completely.
This nonsense has to stop.
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Armagh shithousery on full display again. Can't take their batin'
Wouldn't go around talking crap again until the game is shown... You embarrassed yourself last time.
Always someone else's fault isn't it? Is it the 15 years of failure bottled up inside that makes you act like thugs every year?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 27, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
Embarrassing from the Monaghan fans. I suppose that was their All Ireland Final win.
Your trolling schtick is embarrassing and very old at this stage
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 27, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
Embarrassing from the Monaghan fans. I suppose that was their All Ireland Final win.
Just take your beating FFS. ;D
Ulster players fighting on the pitch and ulster supporters fighting online. some things are eternal.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 27, 2022, 03:39:50 PM
Embarrassing from the Monaghan fans. I suppose that was their All Ireland Final win.
Celebrating winning a huge game with the last kick? Sure if you can't get excited about that then what's the point in football? Although I suppose the Dubs dont even bother celebrating Leinsters or All Irelands these days..
Quote from: Tubberman on March 27, 2022, 03:45:56 PM
Ulster players fighting on the pitch and ulster supporters fighting online. some things are eternal.
We have had to fight for everything for 100 years. What do you expect
Well done Tyrone with a superb win in Killarney.
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Armagh shithousery on full display again. Can't take their batin'
Wouldn't go around talking crap again until the game is shown... You embarrassed yourself last time.
Always someone else's fault isn't it? Is it the 15 years of failure bottled up inside that makes you act like thugs every year?
It was your fault against Tyrone - the video evidence proved it.
Armagh went into the league a lot fitter than everyone else. The last few games when other teams have caught up fitness wise have shown where Armagh are really at.
BTW, listening to radio Kerry is some laugh, those lads are bordering on a clinical paranoid delusional disorder in relation to Tyrone. Fair play to Monaghan, was some game.
So much potential for the ending stages in national league, instead stuck with radio kerry, TG4 and twitter updates.
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Dazzler running the show.
Listening to the kerry radio coverage and they said "our forwards are better than Darren McCurry." jesus they are hard to listen to
"Hard to listen to " is putting it mildly !
I listened to it after the game and it was an actual embarrassment. Tyrone are the big bad evil and Kerry are innocent little lambs was the summary of it.
Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2022, 03:57:51 PM
Armagh went into the league a lot fitter than everyone else. The last few games when other teams have caught up fitness wise have shown where Armagh are really at.
Not sure the fitness point is true. They beat Dublin and Kildare who got relegated and they were fitter than Tyrone who were only back from holiday. Today they started with out their 2 best players and gave 2 other players their county debut.
Armagh are on an upward trajectory but they still have a long way to go.
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Again though, we haven't seen how or who started it yet other than a melee -could have been Donegal/COuld have been Armagh.
If I remember correctly, you were the one throwing around false accusations about Armagh starting the melee against Tyrone but you soon climbed down off your perch when video evidence was shown.
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Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2022, 03:57:51 PM
Armagh went into the league a lot fitter than everyone else. The last few games when other teams have caught up fitness wise have shown where Armagh are really at.
Not sure the fitness point is true. They beat Dublin and Kildare who got relegated and they were fitter than Tyrone who were only back from holiday. Today they started with out their 2 best players and gave 2 other players their county debut.
Armagh are on an upward trajectory but they still have a long way to go.
He's posting that repeatedly. He has himself convinced of that 'fact'
It's good to have the Tyrone posters worried again.
Next year division 1 will have 7 Ulster/Connacht teams and 1 Leinster/Munster team.
Saying as you were there and know so much tell us all what happened ? And that's for those Tyrone fans who all seem to have been up in letterkenny today 8)
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Dazzler running the show.
Listening to the kerry radio coverage and they said "our forwards are better than Darren McCurry." jesus they are hard to listen to
"Hard to listen to " is putting it mildly !
I listened to it after the game and it was an actual embarrassment. Tyrone are the big bad evil and Kerry are innocent little lambs was the summary of it.
Find it strange how a county who has ten times as many all-irelands as Tyrone have such an odd complex about Tyrone. Tyrone beat Kerry three times over the course of five years. These games were clean, good spectacles, though the niggle over 2003 was because Tyrone out fought and out thought Kerry who just couldn't handle it.
Tyrone didn't beat Kerry again for another 13 years, losing several times during that time (Kerry fans always celebrating exuberantly).
Then as soon as Tyrone beat them again, the Kerry narrative became that Tyrone had a hoo-doo over them.
Don't get me wrong, Kerry are probably the team you love to beat most, but mostly because Kerry have made it such a thing.
I thought about bringing kids to Killarney for this game but didn't because the unified aggression and whingeing from the crowd is just too intimidating. They listened to it on radio Kerry and were also upset at why these men behave like this. Kids are from Clare! Try to make a laugh out of it as much as I can but Jaysus it's toxic.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Again though, we haven't seen how or who started it yet other than a melee -could have been Donegal/COuld have been Armagh.
If I remember correctly, you were the one throwing around false accusations about Armagh starting the melee against Tyrone but you soon climbed down off your perch when video evidence was shown.
Must be confused with someone else I never defended tyrone in the armagh game. I questioned why so many tyrone players were singled out and I still questioned it. Every video showed hamspey not getting involved in headlock but he got a red.
Every one is quick to jump when tyrone are involved however thats now 2 games armagh have been involved in a brawl. Seems only right to point that out.
Quotethought about bringing kids to Killarney for this game but didn't because the unified aggression and whingeing from the crowd is just too intimidating. They listened to it on radio Kerry and were also upset at why these men behave like this. Kids are from Clare! Try to make a laugh out of it as much as I can but Jaysus it's toxic.
They are a classless breed when it comes to GAA alright. Hopefully we can do a number on them in the league final.
Tyronies should buy the Irish Examiner tomorrow for the GAA coverage, I buy it every Monday after a big GAA weekend as it's first class but the Kerry/Cork bias is a gas. It's worth the cost for Eamon Fitzmaurice's article every Monday btw, there is a man who knows his onions.
You lads some outfit to be complaining about Kerry fans behaviour, have a look at your own first.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Again though, we haven't seen how or who started it yet other than a melee -could have been Donegal/COuld have been Armagh.
If I remember correctly, you were the one throwing around false accusations about Armagh starting the melee against Tyrone but you soon climbed down off your perch when video evidence was shown.
Must be confused with someone else I never defended tyrone in the armagh game. I questioned why so many tyrone players were singled out and I still questioned it. Every video showed hamspey not getting involved in headlock but he got a red.
Every one is quick to jump when tyrone are involved however thats now 2 games armagh have been involved in a brawl. Seems only right to point that out.
So instead of waiting to see what actually happened you apply the same unfair logic directed at Tyrone in Armagh's direction?
Just to point out, I am not saying Armagh are innocent in all of this but I would prefer it if they were treated fairly. I hate the term but we are becoming snowflakes in GAA with the slightest altercation being blown way out of proportion. From the brief footage shown there was a bit of pulling and pushing but I am happy to be corrected on that should we get to see the game in full.
Regardless, congratulations to Donegal on their win. We still don't have any answers for shoring up the influences of McBreaty and Murphy by the sounds of it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 04:52:47 PM
You lads some outfit to be complaining about Kerry fans behaviour, have a look at your own first.
right.
A slight altercation doesn't have all of both teams, subs bench and staff involved does it.
Quote from: clarshack on March 27, 2022, 03:57:51 PM
Armagh went into the league a lot fitter than everyone else. The last few games when other teams have caught up fitness wise have shown where Armagh are really at.
So good enough to beat Kildare pulling up, get within a kick of a ball of Kerry (with a goalkeeping error and loads of missed chances) and get within a point of Donegal with a weaker team out, away from home with very little to play for? Sounds promising to me.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 04:56:00 PM
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Again though, we haven't seen how or who started it yet other than a melee -could have been Donegal/COuld have been Armagh.
If I remember correctly, you were the one throwing around false accusations about Armagh starting the melee against Tyrone but you soon climbed down off your perch when video evidence was shown.
Must be confused with someone else I never defended tyrone in the armagh game. I questioned why so many tyrone players were singled out and I still questioned it. Every video showed hamspey not getting involved in headlock but he got a red.
Every one is quick to jump when tyrone are involved however thats now 2 games armagh have been involved in a brawl. Seems only right to point that out.
So instead of waiting to see what actually happened you apply the same unfair logic directed at Tyrone in Armagh's direction?
Just to point out, I am not saying Armagh are innocent in all of this but I would prefer it if they were treated fairly. I hate the term but we are becoming snowflakes in GAA with the slightest altercation being blown way out of proportion. From the brief footage shown there was a bit of pulling and pushing but I am happy to be corrected on that should we get to see the game in full.
Regardless, congratulations to Donegal on their win. We still don't have any answers for shoring up the influences of McBreaty and Murphy by the sounds of it.
I agree with all of that to he fair. Part of it is fans winding each other up by you can almost be certain Armagh may taken the brunt of it from the media. Anyway nothing won or lost today.
Pretty successful league campaign by Armagh to stay on division 1. Less so by Tyrone who just about managed it.
Quote from: omagh_gael on March 27, 2022, 03:30:17 PM
Tyrone game seemed like a cracker!! Unreal there isn't better coverage of final day in the league.
agreed, we will get three minutes of highlights tonight followed by five minutes of pure shite talk, filled with the usual cliches.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Again though, we haven't seen how or who started it yet other than a melee -could have been Donegal/COuld have been Armagh.
If I remember correctly, you were the one throwing around false accusations about Armagh starting the melee against Tyrone but you soon climbed down off your perch when video evidence was shown.
Must be confused with someone else I never defended tyrone in the armagh game. I questioned why so many tyrone players were singled out and I still questioned it. Every video showed hamspey not getting involved in headlock but he got a red.
Every one is quick to jump when tyrone are involved however thats now 2 games armagh have been involved in a brawl. Seems only right to point that out.
So instead of waiting to see what actually happened you apply the same unfair logic directed at Tyrone in Armagh's direction?
Just to point out, I am not saying Armagh are innocent in all of this but I would prefer it if they were treated fairly. I hate the term but we are becoming snowflakes in GAA with the slightest altercation being blown way out of proportion. From the brief footage shown there was a bit of pulling and pushing but I am happy to be corrected on that should we get to see the game in full.
Regardless, congratulations to Donegal on their win. We still don't have any answers for shoring up the influences of McBreaty and Murphy by the sounds of it.
Exactly this. The footage I seen was so limited that it was impossible to say what caused it. Needless to say Armagh will get much of the blame if this forum is anything to go by. A few days of hand wringing by media and pundits will follow and then a narrative forces itself into the media and gets into referees minds before championship. I don't know if Armagh were the aggressors but it appears as though the Tyrone fans seem to think they were or maybe TV screens are just bigger in that part of the country.
A lot of it looked like needless posturing anyway.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 05:07:17 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 04:07:12 PM
Kieran tactics rubbing off on Armagh it seems. Many Armagh ones were quick to shout about tyrone now it seems they are the common link between these incidents
Again though, we haven't seen how or who started it yet other than a melee -could have been Donegal/COuld have been Armagh.
If I remember correctly, you were the one throwing around false accusations about Armagh starting the melee against Tyrone but you soon climbed down off your perch when video evidence was shown.
Must be confused with someone else I never defended tyrone in the armagh game. I questioned why so many tyrone players were singled out and I still questioned it. Every video showed hamspey not getting involved in headlock but he got a red.
Every one is quick to jump when tyrone are involved however thats now 2 games armagh have been involved in a brawl. Seems only right to point that out.
So instead of waiting to see what actually happened you apply the same unfair logic directed at Tyrone in Armagh's direction?
Just to point out, I am not saying Armagh are innocent in all of this but I would prefer it if they were treated fairly. I hate the term but we are becoming snowflakes in GAA with the slightest altercation being blown way out of proportion. From the brief footage shown there was a bit of pulling and pushing but I am happy to be corrected on that should we get to see the game in full.
Regardless, congratulations to Donegal on their win. We still don't have any answers for shoring up the influences of McBreaty and Murphy by the sounds of it.
I agree with all of that to he fair. Part of it is fans winding each other up by you can almost be certain Armagh may taken the brunt of it from the media. Anyway nothing won or lost today.
Pretty successful league campaign by Armagh to stay on division 1. Less so by Tyrone who just about managed it.
How you finish the league is more important than how you start it. Tyrone finished strong whereas Armagh didn't.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 05:04:44 PM
A slight alteration doesn't have all of both teams, subs bench and staff involved does it.
Was it a good match seeing as you were at it?
Nope, but you must be blind to see half the benches involved in the minor alteraction, in fact it was the subs keeping it going.
Best two teams into the final and a hard final to call it will be.
Dublins decline continues hard to see Farrell manager again next year. Hard luck to Kildare play some good stuff during this campaign but came unstuck today.
Monaghan are some warriors yet another year in Division 1.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 05:04:44 PM
A slight alteration doesn't have all of both teams, subs bench and staff involved does it.
Was it a good match seeing as you were at it?
Can you provide your insight then?
It's time the GAA sorted this nonsense out. Throw the kitchen sink at both teams (no idea what sanctions can be imposed), make examples of them. The absolute state of the hi viz warriors, subs, mentors, backroom staff.... It's happening the length and breadth of the country, club and county. Does this shite happen in any other team sport in any other country in the world?
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Quote from: Itchy on March 27, 2022, 03:27:54 PM
Another row and what's the common denominator?
Can't hear you from Division 1 shout a bit louder.
Lol Itchy. You know you've def hit rock bottom when an armagh gaa fan can take the piss. ;D
Quote from: JoG2 on March 27, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
It's time the GAA sorted this nonsense out. Throw the kitchen sink at both teams (no idea what sanctions can be imposed), make examples of them. The absolute state of the hi viz warriors, subs, mentors, backroom staff.... It's happening the length and breadth of the country, club and county. Does this shite happen in any other team sport in any other country in the world?
Are we really going down that road where every single altercation warrants suspensions? There were no punches thrown it was players pushing and pulling at each other - how sensitive are we all getting about stuff like this?
Enjoyable game in letterkenny tbh.
Thought Donegal could have run away with it at one stage but fair play to armagh for reeling them in.
Armagh missed 3/4 storable chances towards the end and the red blew up 2 minutes early whenMc brearty put Donegal ahead.
Some observations
Thought Murphy immense again as was Mc brearty two warriors.
O neill and grugan coming on at half time changed the dynamics of the game as did the penalty miss.
Towards the end it was obvious armagh weren't as focussed on winning as they gave game time to young Mc conville and kiernan .
Neither team will fear each other in 4 weeks
Regarding the row didn't see too much happening although to be fair was in the far side .
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 27, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
It's time the GAA sorted this nonsense out. Throw the kitchen sink at both teams (no idea what sanctions can be imposed), make examples of them. The absolute state of the hi viz warriors, subs, mentors, backroom staff.... It's happening the length and breadth of the country, club and county. Does this shite happen in any other team sport in any other country in the world?
Are we really going down that road where every single altercation warrants suspensions? There were no punches thrown it was players pushing and pulling at each other - how sensitive are we all getting about stuff like this?
But it wasn't. Doesn't have to happen, can easily be stopped, nothing to do with sensitivity.
Well maybe no punches throw from the scenes I saw, but the carry on is embarrassing and if a county team is involved in it there needs to be some sort of punishment. I'm not sure what though but it's not welcomed at all
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 27, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
It's time the GAA sorted this nonsense out. Throw the kitchen sink at both teams (no idea what sanctions can be imposed), make examples of them. The absolute state of the hi viz warriors, subs, mentors, backroom staff.... It's happening the length and breadth of the country, club and county. Does this shite happen in any other team sport in any other country in the world?
Are we really going down that road where every single altercation warrants suspensions? There were no punches thrown it was players pushing and pulling at each other - how sensitive are we all getting about stuff like this?
Ah now. You can't bleat like a lamb one week and then say its only handbags the next. Rules are rules. Any Armagh or Donegal players who contributed to a melee should be banned just like their vastly superior Tyrone neighbours
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Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 06:42:56 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on March 27, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
It's time the GAA sorted this nonsense out. Throw the kitchen sink at both teams (no idea what sanctions can be imposed), make examples of them. The absolute state of the hi viz warriors, subs, mentors, backroom staff.... It's happening the length and breadth of the country, club and county. Does this shite happen in any other team sport in any other country in the world?
Are we really going down that road where every single altercation warrants suspensions? There were no punches thrown it was players pushing and pulling at each other - how sensitive are we all getting about stuff like this?
Ah now. You can't bleat like a lamb one week and then say its only handbags the next. Rules are rules. Any Armagh or Donegal players who contributed to a melee should be banned just like their vastly superior Tyrone neighbours
The obvious difference if you need reminding was Harte put Burns in a headlock and using a hip toss put him on the ground. I think the other was Hampsey grabbing Campbell across the neck from behind. Nugent was fortunate enough with Sludden and other than that I am not sure what the red cards were even for.
This was just pushing and shoving. The referee didn't see anything that warranted a card and again there is no evidence to show who started it... yet.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 06:47:45 PM
Well maybe no punches throw from the scenes I saw, but the carry on is embarrassing and if a county team is involved in it there needs to be some sort of punishment. I'm not sure what though but it's not welcomed at all
Embarrassing and unsightly - Yes. Is suspension warranted? Unless individuals are singled out then not really. Fines would perhaps be the best outcome. First one is a 2,000 euro fine with it doubling every time a county is involved in one per season or within another specified period.
If only poor officiating was put under the same scrutiny.
There no need for it, to see that televised and occuringly on a regular basis is embarrassing. Does it occur regularly at Top level Soccer or Rugby? Not a wonder my Protestant colleagues call it bog ball and sure you always fighting all the time. If punishment was severe enough it wouldn't occur simple as that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 05:04:44 PM
A slight alteration doesn't have all of both teams, subs bench and staff involved does it.
slight alteration needed to this post methinks
Half the problem is supporters of teams involved trying to defend the indefensible. Can't admit there a problem here. TV showed a number of players been swung to the ground so it above more than pushing or shoving. What's the subs and background team on the field getting involved for.
I'm sure RTE will show plenty of Social Media footage later, and from what i saw at the match.....there were definitely 2 Armagh players who could be in trouble along with a few Donegal, 1 Armagh player in particular if a fly touched him on the pitch it would knock him off the ball, we'll await the media circus around it....just like they did with Tyrone a few weeks ago. But Congratulations to both our neighbours Tyrone and Monaghan for staying in Division 1 also!
Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
The unpredictable nature of league football seen in all 4 Div 1 games this afternoon.
How many would have predicted Tyrone to beat a previously unbeaten Kerry in killarney?
It looked like Kildare's need would be greater but not only did Mayo win, they scored an impressive 2-20
What more can one say about Monaghan. Next year will be their 8th year in a row in Div 1 a serious achievement and example to many counties of their population size to what can be done.
Donegal's won in Letterkenny where they normally lose. Armagh with 3 defeat in their last 4 games, not great form going into the championship however they'll have learnt plenty about themselves in Div 1.
Story of this league has been Dublin getting relegated, might have done the great escape today but that awful start to the league proved very costly.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 07:07:54 PM
Half the problem is supporters of teams involved trying to defend the indefensible. Can't admit there a problem here. TV showed a number of players been swung to the ground so it above more than pushing or shoving. What's the subs and background team on the field getting involved for.
But I've seen one post already that's looking to blame those officiating the game! Christ
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 07:07:54 PM
Half the problem is supporters of teams involved trying to defend the indefensible. Can't admit there a problem here. TV showed a number of players been swung to the ground so it above more than pushing or shoving. What's the subs and background team on the field getting involved for.
But I've seen one post already that's looking to blame those officiating the game! Christ
Who blamed the officiating?
The row started at the end with McFadden-Ferry of Donegal going up into Aidan Nugents face and shouting. A pushing match started, with most players involved. Not a pile in it i thought. Donegal were goading armagh the whole match, with a lot of cynical fouling also. Nrs 4 and 7 for Donegal the worst culprits. They are a hard team to watch
Armagh are where the majority of Armagh supporters thought they might be, probably slightly ahead of pre league expectations but still a fair bit from the Top 3 teams. Beat Donegal in Championship and we could be in the Ulster Final, lose and a bad back door draw and the season's over, small margins. The inflated opinions of Armagh tend to be found outside the County from what I can see.
Dublin were besically out fought today by a Monaghan side that played with fire in their bellies and who in Jack McCarron had the best individual performance that I seen throughout the entire League. He doesn't always produce the performances to go with his natural ability but he stood up today and carried Monaghan to victory.
The rest of the games I can't really comment on but I was surprised to see Tyrone turning over Kerry in Killarney although Kerry probably weren't going full throttle and rested a good few players too. I feel for Kildare who had a very good League campaign yet succumbed to relegation on the final day. However they can take plenty away from their League campaign and Mayo away on the final day was always going to be tough.
Going into championship and Dublin don't look in a great place. Even a small incident like McCarthy getting red carded near the end showed an untypical lack of discipline and some of their elder statesmen like Cooper, Fitzsimmons and McCarthy look well past their best. I think this will only be exacerbated come championship when the pace of the game increases. It's almost understandable since they have done it all and it must be difficult for them to know they are in decline but also knowing that the bodies are no longer able to respond in the way they once did. I expect that there will be another 4 or 5 retirements at the end of the year and a complete rebuild will begin in earnest next year from division 2.
At the minute Kerry look like the best team in the country with Mayo next best and I expect that come July those 2 will battle it out for Sam Maguire.
Next season Div. 1 will have:
4 Ulster teams
3 Connacht teams
1 Munster team
0 Leinster teams
Quote from: seanaglis on March 27, 2022, 07:38:14 PM
The row started at the end with McFadden-Ferry of Donegal going up into Aidan Nugents face and shouting. A pushing match started, with most players involved. Not a pile in it i thought. Donegal were goading armagh the whole match, with a lot of cynical fouling also. Nrs 4 and 7 for Donegal the worst culprits. They are a hard team to watch
Interesting I thought what started it was Murphy running up to Grugan on the far side of the pitch and giving him a belt round the back of the head in retaliation for a kick Grugan put in on Murphy earlier. Then two other Donegal players going to assist Murphy 3 on 1. Seemed to me that Armagh men went to go to Grugan assistance. Got blocked off and things kicked off from there.
Maybe the two things were unrelated and it was just coincidence of timing.
As for the incident itself I'd be surprised if there weren't suspensions handed out, very silly thing for either team to get involved with but not entirely surprising given the needle throughout in a largely meaningless game.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2022, 07:17:39 PM
Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.
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Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.
The major difference between the incidents was that GAA upheld the red cards given to Tyrone and Armagh players by the referee but nothing else was done about the incident.
In this game I don't think any cards were given out at the end. However, suspensions may come of it if they were able to single out players.
In my opinion it was nowhere near more violent.
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Quote from: seanaglis on March 27, 2022, 07:38:14 PM
The row started at the end with McFadden-Ferry of Donegal going up into Aidan Nugents face and shouting. A pushing match started, with most players involved. Not a pile in it i thought. Donegal were goading armagh the whole match, with a lot of cynical fouling also. Nrs 4 and 7 for Donegal the worst culprits. They are a hard team to watch
Interesting I thought what started it was Murphy running up to Grugan on the far side of the pitch and giving him a belt round the back of the head in retaliation for a kick Grugan put in on Murphy earlier. Then two other Donegal players going to assist Murphy 3 on 1. Seemed to me that Armagh men went to go to Grugan assistance. Got blocked off and things kicked off from there.
Maybe the two things were unrelated and it was just coincidence of timing.
As for the incident itself I'd be surprised if there weren't suspensions handed out, very silly thing for either team to get involved with but not entirely surprising given the needle throughout in a largely meaningless game.
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Grugan was at our side at the final whistle. McMenamin (Donegal no 7) started on him. He had been dishing it out throughout the match. Fancies himself as a bit of a hard man by the looks of things. McGee's contribution whilst he was on the field as a temporary sub was pathetic also. Obviously came on to try and get a rise out of Rian whose temperament has improved dramatically. A few years ago he would have fell for it and started swinging.
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Quote from: seanaglis on March 27, 2022, 07:38:14 PM
The row started at the end with McFadden-Ferry of Donegal going up into Aidan Nugents face and shouting. A pushing match started, with most players involved. Not a pile in it i thought. Donegal were goading armagh the whole match, with a lot of cynical fouling also. Nrs 4 and 7 for Donegal the worst culprits. They are a hard team to watch
Interesting I thought what started it was Murphy running up to Grugan on the far side of the pitch and giving him a belt round the back of the head in retaliation for a kick Grugan put in on Murphy earlier. Then two other Donegal players going to assist Murphy 3 on 1. Seemed to me that Armagh men went to go to Grugan assistance. Got blocked off and things kicked off from there.
Maybe the two things were unrelated and it was just coincidence of timing.
As for the incident itself I'd be surprised if there weren't suspensions handed out, very silly thing for either team to get involved with but not entirely surprising given the needle throughout in a largely meaningless game.
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Grugan was at our side at the final whistle. McMenamin (Donegal no 7) started on him. He had been dishing it out throughout the match. Fancies himself as a bit of a hard man by the looks of things. McGee's contribution whilst he was on the field as a temporary sub was pathetic also. Obviously came on to try and get a rise out of Rian whose temperament has improved dramatically. A few years ago he would have fell for it and started swinging.
The problems with all of this
1. The cameraman had the camera panned out from where the melee took place. However, something did kick off on the opposite side of the field (I think it was Grugan) who was surrounded by players and the linesman walked over to intervene - so he obviously saw something.
Armagh were not looking pretty especially Hall who swiftly approached a Donegal player and tried a swing but missed from what I could see. There was too much of one players getting involved to try and stop an incident and then an opposition player coming over and flaring another argument up.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 08:21:18 PM
Quote from: sidelineball on March 27, 2022, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2022, 07:17:39 PM
Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.
The major difference between the incidents was that GAA upheld the red cards given to Tyrone and Armagh players by the referee but nothing else was done about the incident.
In this game I don't think any cards were given out at the end. However, suspensions may come of it if they were able to single out players.
In my opinion it was nowhere near more violent.
The difference you point out is potentially important.
I wasn't at the match and haven't seen it. So I have no idea who is innocent and who is guilty. If there is guilt on any side I hope they are punished. If we are correctly punished I hope we take our medicine instead of any hopeless or Loganesque technical loophole appeal.
But these are all ifs. At this stage I have seen no guilt. Most others haven't either but it hasn't stopped assholes being assholes.
Am I correct in saying that the ref couldn't have issued cards as the game was over? In which case neither team can take any comfort from the fact that cards were not issued?
Quote from: sidelineball on March 27, 2022, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2022, 07:17:39 PM
Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.
Im fairly sure Tyrone fans were calling for suspensions based on the fact that they received 4 as a result of a similar episode earlier in the League. The difference is that Tyrone were issued with 4 actual red cards during the match. I said at the time that it was one of the most bizarre refereeing decisions I have seen and just because Gough took drastic action doesn't mean that this should be the de facto punishment for such incidents.
If Gough had been in black today we may have seen 5 red cards which simply highlights the ludicrous inconsistency.
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Quote from: sidelineball on March 27, 2022, 08:19:00 PM
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Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.
The major difference between the incidents was that GAA upheld the red cards given to Tyrone and Armagh players by the referee but nothing else was done about the incident.
In this game I don't think any cards were given out at the end. However, suspensions may come of it if they were able to single out players.
In my opinion it was nowhere near more violent.
The difference you point out is potentially important.
I wasn't at the match and haven't seen it. So I have no idea who is innocent and who is guilty. If there is guilt on any side I hope they are punished. If we are correctly punished I hope we take our medicine instead of any hopeless or Loganesque technical loophole appeal.
But these are all ifs. At this stage I have seen no guilt. Most others haven't either but it hasn't stopped assholes being assholes.
Am I correct in saying that the ref couldn't have issued cards as the game was over? In which case neither team can take any comfort from the fact that cards were not issued?
A new rule passed 4 weeks ago at Congress now enables the ref to give cards before the throw in , HT , and after the game !
Surely we have all seen evidence that supports a lot of Gough's decisions were correct.
I haven't seen any evidence that any of the red cards issued at the Athletics ground were wrong.
Teams have to learn to behave and if not, take their medicine. That includes us, if we have indeed transgressed
Quote from: delgany on March 27, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
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Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 08:21:18 PM
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2022, 07:17:39 PM
Lots of faux outrage, mostly from Tyrone supporters. It sounds like staving off relegation wasn't enough to satisfy them today. Most rational people thought the 4 suspensions doled out to Tyrone players was ridiculous at the time and none more so than the Tyrone fans. Now they appear to have had a conscience transplant when it comes to application of the rules just because Armagh were involved. Time to take off the red and white glasses and admit that it was much ado about nothing. Thankfully the game wasn't broadcast live on TV or the reaction would be even worse.
Think you're missing the point, Tyrone folk are merely highlighting the incident so as to see how it's dealt with and whether other counties are held to same standard and punished with as much enthusiasm as Tyrone are. Very similar incidents, with todays possibly a lot more violent. Obviously we know these things happen in games and are hard to get rid of. No one wants to see them and suspensions arising from them are a bit ridiculous. However it's the consistency of investigation that will be interesting.
The major difference between the incidents was that GAA upheld the red cards given to Tyrone and Armagh players by the referee but nothing else was done about the incident.
In this game I don't think any cards were given out at the end. However, suspensions may come of it if they were able to single out players.
In my opinion it was nowhere near more violent.
The difference you point out is potentially important.
I wasn't at the match and haven't seen it. So I have no idea who is innocent and who is guilty. If there is guilt on any side I hope they are punished. If we are correctly punished I hope we take our medicine instead of any hopeless or Loganesque technical loophole appeal.
But these are all ifs. At this stage I have seen no guilt. Most others haven't either but it hasn't stopped assholes being assholes.
Am I correct in saying that the ref couldn't have issued cards as the game was over? In which case neither team can take any comfort from the fact that cards were not issued?
A new rule passed 4 weeks ago at Congress now enables the ref to give cards before the throw in , HT , and after the game !
With effect from when?
Quote from: Solo_run on March 27, 2022, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 07:07:54 PM
Half the problem is supporters of teams involved trying to defend the indefensible. Can't admit there a problem here. TV showed a number of players been swung to the ground so it above more than pushing or shoving. What's the subs and background team on the field getting involved for.
But I've seen one post already that's looking to blame those officiating the game! Christ
Who blamed the officiating?
If only poor officiating was put under the same scrutiny.
:D Don't let those bitter oranges taste too bitter now a bhuachaillí ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 27, 2022, 08:49:42 PM
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 07:07:54 PM
Half the problem is supporters of teams involved trying to defend the indefensible. Can't admit there a problem here. TV showed a number of players been swung to the ground so it above more than pushing or shoving. What's the subs and background team on the field getting involved for.
But I've seen one post already that's looking to blame those officiating the game! Christ
Who blamed the officiating?
If only poor officiating was put under the same scrutiny.
Because it is a bigger problem within the game than the pushing and shoving that goes on. That wasn't a comment against the officiating of the Donegal v Armagh game it was merely a point to show there are other significant problems that need to be dealt with.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 27, 2022, 08:03:08 PM
Quote from: seanaglis on March 27, 2022, 07:38:14 PM
The row started at the end with McFadden-Ferry of Donegal going up into Aidan Nugents face and shouting. A pushing match started, with most players involved. Not a pile in it i thought. Donegal were goading armagh the whole match, with a lot of cynical fouling also. Nrs 4 and 7 for Donegal the worst culprits. They are a hard team to watch
Interesting I thought what started it was Murphy running up to Grugan on the far side of the pitch and giving him a belt round the back of the head in retaliation for a kick Grugan put in on Murphy earlier. Then two other Donegal players going to assist Murphy 3 on 1. Seemed to me that Armagh men went to go to Grugan assistance. Got blocked off and things kicked off from there.
Maybe the two things were unrelated and it was just coincidence of timing.
As for the incident itself I'd be surprised if there weren't suspensions handed out, very silly thing for either team to get involved with but not entirely surprising given the needle throughout in a largely meaningless game.
From general consensus hall and Murphy seem to be one's who might have issues
Think armagh would take that croke park are handing out the suspensions 😗
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 07:07:54 PM
Half the problem is supporters of teams involved trying to defend the indefensible. Can't admit there a problem here. TV showed a number of players been swung to the ground so it above more than pushing or shoving. What's the subs and background team on the field getting involved for.
But I've seen one post already that's looking to blame those officiating the game! Christ
Who blamed the officiating?
If only poor officiating was put under the same scrutiny.
Because it is a bigger problem within the game than the pushing and shoving that goes on. That wasn't a comment against the officiating of the Donegal v Armagh game it was merely a point to show there are other significant problems that need to be dealt with.
Try it
Quote from: naka on March 27, 2022, 08:57:28 PM
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Quote from: seanaglis on March 27, 2022, 07:38:14 PM
The row started at the end with McFadden-Ferry of Donegal going up into Aidan Nugents face and shouting. A pushing match started, with most players involved. Not a pile in it i thought. Donegal were goading armagh the whole match, with a lot of cynical fouling also. Nrs 4 and 7 for Donegal the worst culprits. They are a hard team to watch
Interesting I thought what started it was Murphy running up to Grugan on the far side of the pitch and giving him a belt round the back of the head in retaliation for a kick Grugan put in on Murphy earlier. Then two other Donegal players going to assist Murphy 3 on 1. Seemed to me that Armagh men went to go to Grugan assistance. Got blocked off and things kicked off from there.
Maybe the two things were unrelated and it was just coincidence of timing.
As for the incident itself I'd be surprised if there weren't suspensions handed out, very silly thing for either team to get involved with but not entirely surprising given the needle throughout in a largely meaningless game.
From general consensus hall and Murphy seem to be one's who might have issues
Think armagh would take that croke park are handing out the suspensions 😗
If that's the case Armagh will be appealing if there ARENT any suspensions!
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Armagh went into the league a lot fitter than everyone else. The last few games when other teams have caught up fitness wise have shown where Armagh are really at.
Not sure the fitness point is true. They beat Dublin and Kildare who got relegated and they were fitter than Tyrone who were only back from holiday. Today they started with out their 2 best players and gave 2 other players their county debut.
Armagh are on an upward trajectory but they still have a long way to go.
He's posting that repeatedly. He has himself convinced of that 'fact'
Don't see how anybody could watch those games and not conclude that Armagh weren't a fair bit ahead with their preparation than Dublin and Tyrone, it was obvious. There is no slight either, teams coming from different places and at different stages of their development, it was more important for Armagh to really hit the ground running in the league. Other teams will catch up over the league with fitness but that doesn't mean Armagh won't have made progress in other areas. They can be very content with their league and the summer will tell us if they have indeed many significant progress.
From a Tyrone point of view that was a good end to a mixed league campaign. A few of last year's key men have done well the last few weeks and kept us alive and there were signs today that some others are on the right road. Canavan Og seems to be kicking on too. McShane and McKenna still to do so. Worrying to see Matty Donnelly going off injured. But all in all 7 points is a good return given we were coming into the league well off the pace and looked to be in a pretty dire place at half time against Dublin. Won that second half and followed it with wins over Mayo and Kerry, that's a decent platform to try and build upon.
RTE seemed to have forgot there was actually a game between Donegal and Armagh
A nothing game and an action packed weekend. I think they can be forgiven for not dwelling on the game.
The reference to players having a case to answer if you slow the footage down was just trotted out and then left hanging. If there is clear footage just bloody show it.
There were some good points in the game and two goals they could have talked about to be honest. Nothing on Tyrone and Kerry I suppose.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 27, 2022, 10:12:02 PM
Aye, that was worse than the Tyrone v Armagh one. There actually was boxing in this one.
Rian O'Neill must be on a sweat for the jab to the back of the head.
And headbutts.
There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 10:15:46 PM
There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Quote from: LCohen on March 27, 2022, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 10:15:46 PM
There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 10:22:05 PM
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 10:15:46 PM
There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big nordie teams i.e. Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
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Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 10:15:46 PM
There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
It's getting embarrassing, also trying to make it into another everybody hates Tyrone rallying point. Tyrone will need all the help they can get after peaking today against a half arsed Kerry team, nowhere to go only down.
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
If you say so.. . Armagh's success and potential would really take the shine off our AI medals... ;D ;D
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
Now to be fair there is a right few digs and head locks there. Number 15 for armagh at 19seconds clear punch in the head. Sub for Armagh at 29 seconds clear headlock. Donegal player at 44 seconds strikes armagh player
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=WYP2hoiINajAMsCGTNyzWg&s=19
Can also add player number 21 for armagh and 25 for Donegal
From the highlights, they have to act as it was numerous sub's, backroom Staff. R O'Neill seems to pop up all to often in it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 27, 2022, 10:38:13 PM
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
Now to be fair there is a right few digs and head locks there. Number 15 for armagh at 19seconds clear punch in the head. Sub for Armagh at 29 seconds clear headlock. Donegal player at 44 seconds strikes armagh player
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=WYP2hoiINajAMsCGTNyzWg&s=19
There are certainly plenty of incidents and Jamar Hall is going to be lucky. O'Donnell shoved him forcefully in the back to the floor while he was walking away. A few seconds later he has Hall in a headlock and throws him to the ground. Hall was livid and retaliates.
There is a Donegal player who I cannot identify who was going around looking to start a few fights. At one point the player forceful pushes his head - could interpret it as a headbutt into O'Neills face. The same guy grabbed McCabe by the throat, Sheridan was involved and looks to have struck him
McMenamin appears to have struck Duffy in the face
From Armagh point of view, how stupid are they to get involved in all that, given the suspension handed out from the Tyrone game in which they played in and seen the consequences.
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
Now to be fair there is a right few digs and head locks there. Number 15 for armagh at 19seconds clear punch in the head. Sub for Armagh at 29 seconds clear headlock. Donegal player at 44 seconds strikes armagh player
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=WYP2hoiINajAMsCGTNyzWg&s=19
There are certainly plenty of incidents and Jamar Hall is going to be lucky. O'Donnell shoved him forcefully in the back to the floor while he was walking away. A few seconds later he has Hall in a headlock and throws him to the ground. Hall was livid and retaliates.
There is a Donegal player who I cannot identify who was going around looking to start a few fights. At one point the player forceful pushes his head - could interpret it as a headbutt into O'Neills face. The same guy grabbed McCabe by the throat, Sheridan was involved and looks to have struck him
McMenamin appears to have struck Duffy in the face
Again I would say a degree of common sense needs to be applied when looking at these incidents in hindsight. They are in the heat of the moment and a kind of fight or flight response takes overs. The issue is with the gaa trying to stamp their authority on it they often are inconsistent with how they apply the rules themselves.
They are now in the difficult position that they have to try and be consistant ahead of the championship otherwise the whole thing is a shambles.
Why no footage of the man who apparently started it all off? Michael Murphy. Very grainy footage with selective bits left in and nobody highlighted out.
It's probably lucky the Sunday Game were under time constraints tonight and that it was Whelan and McStay in studio. Knowing the way things work in GAA it wouldn't surprise me if both counties get a small fine and everybody is happy (except Tyrone).
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
Now to be fair there is a right few digs and head locks there. Number 15 for armagh at 19seconds clear punch in the head. Sub for Armagh at 29 seconds clear headlock. Donegal player at 44 seconds strikes armagh player
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=WYP2hoiINajAMsCGTNyzWg&s=19
There are certainly plenty of incidents and Jamar Hall is going to be lucky. O'Donnell shoved him forcefully in the back to the floor while he was walking away. A few seconds later he has Hall in a headlock and throws him to the ground. Hall was livid and retaliates.
There is a Donegal player who I cannot identify who was going around looking to start a few fights. At one point the player forceful pushes his head - could interpret it as a headbutt into O'Neills face. The same guy grabbed McCabe by the throat, Sheridan was involved and looks to have struck him
McMenamin appears to have struck Duffy in the face
Again I would say a degree of common sense needs to be applied when looking at these incidents in hindsight. They are in the heat of the moment and a kind of fight or flight response takes overs. The issue is with the gaa trying to stamp their authority on it they often are inconsistent with how they apply the rules themselves.
They are now in the difficult position that they have to try and be consistant ahead of the championship otherwise the whole thing is a shambles.
The problem is with a lot of it - though from my end is the clarity of the pictures. The most obvious suspensions for me are Hall and Sheridan for Armagh. I think it was the Donegal sub goalkeeper going around starting on every other Armagh player - I think 5 players in total. The other clear cut hit was from McMenamin into the face of Duffy. I think they will be the four that are suspended.
Something definitely happened to Grugan before the referee whistled.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2022, 10:54:27 PM
Why no footage of the man who apparently started it all off? Michael Murphy. Very grainy footage with selective bits left in and nobody highlighted out.
It's probably lucky the Sunday Game were under time constraints tonight and that it was Whelan and McStay in studio. Knowing the way things work in GAA it wouldn't surprise me if both counties get a small fine and everybody is happy (except Tyrone).
This is the problem with it. Even if they did give out suspensions the footage is not clear enough - a lot of the time it is filling in the blanks mentally.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 10:39:08 PM
From the highlights, they have to act as it was numerous sub's, backroom Staff. R O'Neill seems to pop up all to often in it.
Rian O'neill, talent that he is, is staring at a 12 week ban thanks to McKeever's tactics
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 10:39:08 PM
From the highlights, they have to act as it was numerous sub's, backroom Staff. R O'Neill seems to pop up all to often in it.
Rian O'neill, talent that he is, is staring at a 12 week ban thanks to McKeever's tactics
Sorry to break your hopes here but he is the one player that wasn't doing anything. He started off trying to pull people apart up and I think it was his brother who was getting started on by the Donegal player I cannot name (possibly their sub GK) who was starting on everyone, he went over pulled him away. Two donegal players started on him and the Donegal sub keeper headbutted him.
I thought it was odd that Kerry didn't put Tom O'Sullivan on McCurry. He shut him out last year in the AISF.
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From the highlights, they have to act as it was numerous sub's, backroom Staff. R O'Neill seems to pop up all to often in it.
Rian O'neill, talent that he is, is staring at a 12 week ban thanks to McKeever's tactics
Sorry to break your hopes here but he is the one player that wasn't doing anything. He started off trying to pull people apart up and I think it was his brother who was getting started on by the Donegal player I cannot name (possibly their sub GK) who was starting on everyone, he went over pulled him away. Two donegal players started on him and the Donegal sub keeper headbutted him.
Just pushing and shoving, now clear punches and a headbutt...with the officials shouldering a fair bit of the blame You're all over the shop
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 27, 2022, 10:39:08 PM
From the highlights, they have to act as it was numerous sub's, backroom Staff. R O'Neill seems to pop up all to often in it.
Rian O'neill, talent that he is, is staring at a 12 week ban thanks to McKeever's tactics
Sorry to break your hopes here but he is the one player that wasn't doing anything. He started off trying to pull people apart up and I think it was his brother who was getting started on by the Donegal player I cannot name (possibly their sub GK) who was starting on everyone, he went over pulled him away. Two donegal players started on him and the Donegal sub keeper headbutted him.
Just pushing and shoving, now clear punches and a headbutt...with the officials shouldering a fair bit of the blame You're all over the shop
Well the latter I didnt say so you need to learn to read.
Secondly, I was happy to look at what happened again - believe it or not watching the footage for 10 seconds on TG4 once wouldn't have been enough
Football is away mad. People coming on here looking 4 or 5 players suspended for that bit of handbags, catch yourselves on.
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There wil be a few armagh and Donegal players sweating alright. You didn't have to slow it down to see a few digs and headlocks. Bad enough getting suspended for a league game but for the championship it's completely stupid. However I have a feeling there won't be any suspensions handed out.
Which players are you talking about?
Couldn't see their numbers as most of it seem to be from the subs on both teams and the Sunday game footage was short. However there definitely was strikes and at least 2 headlocks . Like I said I don't think they will be any major action take as sure everyone knows the rules are as inconsistent as can be.
True. HQ only seen to take retrospective action against big teams like Tyrone. Perennial failures like Armagh get away with their brand of dirt since it never gets them anywhere
Armagh living in your head rent free as they say.
Now to be fair there is a right few digs and head locks there. Number 15 for armagh at 19seconds clear punch in the head. Sub for Armagh at 29 seconds clear headlock. Donegal player at 44 seconds strikes armagh player
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=WYP2hoiINajAMsCGTNyzWg&s=19
There are certainly plenty of incidents and Jamar Hall is going to be lucky. O'Donnell shoved him forcefully in the back to the floor while he was walking away. A few seconds later he has Hall in a headlock and throws him to the ground. Hall was livid and retaliates.
There is a Donegal player who I cannot identify who was going around looking to start a few fights. At one point the player forceful pushes his head - could interpret it as a headbutt into O'Neills face. The same guy grabbed McCabe by the throat, Sheridan was involved and looks to have struck him
McMenamin appears to have struck Duffy in the face
Again I would say a degree of common sense needs to be applied when looking at these incidents in hindsight. They are in the heat of the moment and a kind of fight or flight response takes overs. The issue is with the gaa trying to stamp their authority on it they often are inconsistent with how they apply the rules themselves.
They are now in the difficult position that they have to try and be consistant ahead of the championship otherwise the whole thing is a shambles.
Heat of the moment is a separate issue. It can happen and is easy to penalize. Although I would like to see the mouthing and provocation penalized too.
But the GAA needs to start cracking down on the "all in" shite. Change the rules and start penalizing teams as well as individuals. That'll end it fairly swiftly.
The Armagh ones on here need to take a good hard look at themselves.
Not for anything that happened on the pitch, but for replying to Kickpass.
Was there not a separate thread where Armagh and Tyrone supporters could bellow their grievances about that melee, the aftermath and anything else only related to Armagh Tyrone rivalry.
Quote from: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 12:33:49 AM
Was there not a separate thread where Armagh and Tyrone supporters could bellow their grievances about that melee, the aftermath and anything else only related to Armagh Tyrone rivalry.
Might as well start an "Donegal vs Armagh USFC Semi-Final Ballybofey 24/04/22" thread considering yesterday's game is going to have an impact on that one ;)
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Heat of the moment is a separate issue. It can happen and is easy to penalize. Although I would like to see the mouthing and provocation penalized too.
But the GAA needs to start cracking down on the "all in" shite. Change the rules and start penalizing teams as well as individuals. That'll end it fairly swiftly.
This is the point, this 'all in' craic has to be stopped, especially when you gave subs piling in who were not in the heat of battle.
Perhaps there should also be a rule that teams have go to their own half at the end of games.
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Quote from: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 12:33:49 AM
Was there not a separate thread where Armagh and Tyrone supporters could bellow their grievances about that melee, the aftermath and anything else only related to Armagh Tyrone rivalry.
Might as well start an "Donegal vs Armagh USFC Semi-Final Ballybofey 24/04/22" thread considering yesterday's game is going to have an impact on that one ;)
its a feckin UFC thread ye need, not a USFC one
Should maybe go like ice hockey, if two men want to box, let them box. Then send them off and give them a 5 game ban
I think Monaghan were a little bit lucky to get that last gasp free, looked a clear overcarrying foul to me. Very well taken of course, and McCarron was superb throughout. Wouldn't have made any difference to the Dubs as a draw would have seen both ourselves and Monaghan relegated, but Kildare can count themselves a little unfortunate.
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A slight alteration doesn't have all of both teams, subs bench and staff involved does it.
Was it a good match seeing as you were at it?
Can you provide your insight then?
Wasn't there which is why I asked. Looked to be a bit of pulling and dragging that RTE will blow out of proportion because it's Ulster teams involved.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 27, 2022, 10:54:27 PM
Why no footage of the man who apparently started it all off? Michael Murphy. Very grainy footage with selective bits left in and nobody highlighted out.
It's probably lucky the Sunday Game were under time constraints tonight and that it was Whelan and McStay in studio. Knowing the way things work in GAA it wouldn't surprise me if both counties get a small fine and everybody is happy (except Tyrone).
ds not Suit the mother thresa analogy the media have built up over murphy. he has alway been a ballbag on the pitch
He's a very dirty player tbh. Absolutely fantastic but wouldn't think twice about wrecking boys.
Well done Monaghan yesterday. Credit the Dubs, they fought to the end and almost pulled off a memorable win. And as we always say at times like this - sure it's only the league. ;)
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2022, 09:37:11 AM
He's a very dirty player tbh. Absolutely fantastic but wouldn't think twice about wrecking boys.
nothing wrong with that!
Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2022, 07:40:14 PM
Armagh are where the majority of Armagh supporters thought they might be, probably slightly ahead of pre league expectations but still a fair bit from the Top 3 teams. Beat Donegal in Championship and we could be in the Ulster Final, lose and a bad back door draw and the season's over, small margins. The inflated opinions of Armagh tend to be found outside the County from what I can see.
I don't why everyone is ruling Dublin out. Very foolish. There's nothing between the big 4
Culturally the GAA doesn't want to fix this no matter what they say, if they did it would have been fixed long ago
It's a pity yet again all the chat is about the melee and not about the match. It was the cliched game of two halves for me. Armagh did well to get to HT only down by 5 points. Donegal were cutting us to ribbons, exposing gaps in our defence. It was particularly noticeable they were making great grounds up our right wing in front of the stand. The fairly dramatic turnaround in the second half wasn't solely down to the introduction of O'Neill and Grugan. We pushed up on Patton's kickouts and he folded. There's been a lot of debate in Armagh about our goalkeeping position but Donegal have concerns there too. We tightened up the defence and got a bit more ball in the middle third. There's plenty for the video analysts and the respective managers to work on for the next four weeks.
As opposed to what our Tyrone friends are saying about our conditioning, it is at the same level as everyone else's at this point in the season as this game mirrored the Kerry game with Armagh the stronger team in the second half again. Although we never really looked like winning against Kerry we could definitely could have beaten Donegal yesterday missing easy enough chances towards the end.
It is definitely all to play for in four weeks time.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2022, 09:37:11 AM
He's a very dirty player tbh. Absolutely fantastic but wouldn't think twice about wrecking boys.
He's a pure hallion alright. Would not look out of place in an Armagh jersey..
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Quote from: bennydorano on March 27, 2022, 07:40:14 PM
Armagh are where the majority of Armagh supporters thought they might be, probably slightly ahead of pre league expectations but still a fair bit from the Top 3 teams. Beat Donegal in Championship and we could be in the Ulster Final, lose and a bad back door draw and the season's over, small margins. The inflated opinions of Armagh tend to be found outside the County from what I can see.
I don't why everyone is ruling Dublin out. Very foolish. There's nothing between the big 4
Honestly think any of the teams in D1 capable of beating any of the others, Kerry probably a little bit ahead of the pack and Kildare a little bit behind.
Armagh definitely won't fear anyone, Mayo are Mayo they'll always be there or thereabouts, Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal won't be easy beat and never are. Dublin look done but have too much quality to write them off, Kildare should gave them a good game in Leinster at the very least if not beat them. Could be one of the best championships in a long time.
Watched some of the row there. Couldn't make out who was involved and difficult to see much more than a bit of pulling and pushing. Didn't see many headlocks or striking, but unlike the Tyrone / Armagh match where the row was right in front of the papparazi, there doesn't seem to be much definitive flying about on social media. Mind you, I'm sure the authorities will have all sorts of camera angles that we don't.
Absolutely stupid for players to get involved in that shite (particularly Armagh players) in what turned out to be a meaningless game for them.
On another note, which Armagh player gave away the penalty?
Quote from: APM on March 28, 2022, 10:45:01 AM
Watched some of the row there. Couldn't make out who was involved and difficult to see much more than a bit of pulling and pushing. Didn't see many headlocks or striking, but unlike the Tyrone / Armagh match where the row was right in front of the papparazi, there doesn't seem to be much definitive flying about on social media. Mind you, I'm sure the authorities will have all sorts of camera angles that we don't.
Absolutely stupid for players to get involved in that shite (particularly Armagh players) in what turned out to be a meaningless game for them.
On another note, which Armagh player gave away the penalty?
Crealy
So that's the end of the league, and it was interesting right up until the end with relegation and a final place all at stake.
Well done Monaghan on top result yesterday, good morale boosting win, they should be confident knowing they can beat any team on their day.
Not sure if Kildare will sense blood in the water, but if they are ever to win Leinster this is the year. Dublin are not dead in the water, but that allure of being unbeatable is not there the way it used to be.
Top result for Tyrone also, again winning games will breed confidence and they are winning at the right time of the year.
For Armagh division 1 status was their aim so well done, goes to show you need a fast start in the league.
Donegal and Mayo are still a mixed bag to me and its hard to see if they will actually be contenders this year going off their leagues, watching them a handful of times its hard to know.
Kerry seem to be the standout team at the moment
Quote from: Hound on March 28, 2022, 08:55:57 AM
I think Monaghan were a little bit lucky to get that last gasp free, looked a clear overcarrying foul to me. Very well taken of course, and McCarron was superb throughout. Wouldn't have made any difference to the Dubs as a draw would have seen both ourselves and Monaghan relegated, but Kildare can count themselves a little unfortunate.
Any thoughts about the 'easy' free are trumped by the easy penalty, the dub Lorcan was fairly dispossessed and went down from his own momentum.
Regardless, the Dubs bottled their chance of a late winner with that last wide, whereas McCarron did not bottle his task.
Armagh achieved their goal which was to stay in the division. Doing that with 2 games to go was a bonus. Been a lot said (from Tyrone supporters and Pat Spillane) about our fitness levels in the first couple of games. If we have worked harder than other counties earlier this year, then so be it, it did the trick and kept us in the division, which is key for this team's development. Armagh won't get taken seriously until they do a lot better in Ulster.
Armagh's season will be defined by the Donegal championship match. At the minute I would make that a 50/50 game at best. Win that and we should get to an Ulster final though which would represent a good season. Win Ulster and it will have been a great season. Anything else would be a disappointment unless we can make an AI SF though the back door.
Murphy and McBearty up front with Brennan give, Donegal more scoring power, plus, Gallen of the bench. Donegal defence def ain't what it used to be, depending on who's suspended I take Donegal by 5. Some Man start the threat lol.
Quote from: Armamike on March 28, 2022, 03:32:19 PM
Armagh achieved their goal which was to stay in the division. Doing that with 2 games to go was a bonus. Been a lot said (from Tyrone supporters and Pat Spillane) about our fitness levels in the first couple of games. If we have worked harder than other counties earlier this year, then so be it, it did the trick and kept us in the division, which is key for this team's development. Armagh won't get taken seriously until they do a lot better in Ulster.
Yes getting a 3rd year in Division 1 was vital. How much the tale off towards the end of league was to do with peaking early or currently involved in hard training remains to be seen. Long overdue a good Ulster championship however well capable of reaching All-Ireland quarter final via the backdoor if required.
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Quote from: Hound on March 28, 2022, 08:55:57 AM
I think Monaghan were a little bit lucky to get that last gasp free, looked a clear overcarrying foul to me. Very well taken of course, and McCarron was superb throughout. Wouldn't have made any difference to the Dubs as a draw would have seen both ourselves and Monaghan relegated, but Kildare can count themselves a little unfortunate.
Any thoughts about the 'easy' free are trumped by the easy penalty, the dub Lorcan was fairly dispossessed and went down from his own momentum.
Regardless, the Dubs bottled their chance of a late winner with that last wide, whereas McCarron did not bottle his task.
Agreed, both penalties were soft and the analysis completely overlooked how Monaghan managed to allow a pretty incompetent and rudderless Dublin back into the game. Dublin certainly didnt deserve to win the game and Kildare unfortunate to be the ones to lose out thanks to the very soft late free. Hats off to McCarron.
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Quote from: Armamike on March 28, 2022, 03:32:19 PM
Armagh achieved their goal which was to stay in the division. Doing that with 2 games to go was a bonus. Been a lot said (from Tyrone supporters and Pat Spillane) about our fitness levels in the first couple of games. If we have worked harder than other counties earlier this year, then so be it, it did the trick and kept us in the division, which is key for this team's development. Armagh won't get taken seriously until they do a lot better in Ulster.
Yes getting a 3rd year in Division 1 was vital. How much the tale off towards the end of league was to do with peaking early or currently involved in hard training remains to be seen. Long overdue a good Ulster championship however well capable of reaching All-Ireland quarter final via the backdoor if required.
It is difficult to know if we have peaked.
McGeeney knows all too well that peaking too early is no good for the championship. However, unlike previous years his job was on the line this year. I am not sure if doing well-ish in division one is a security net for him if things go bad in the championship. Maybe we have peaked as a lot of the Armagh players do not have experience at this level and come the championship things will get a lot tougher.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 28, 2022, 04:23:30 PM
Murphy and McBearty up front with Brennan give, Donegal more scoring power, plus, Gallen of the bench. Donegal defence def ain't what it used to be, depending on who's suspended I take Donegal by 5. Some Man start the threat lol.
interesting,its definitely not a 5 point game
grugan/nugent/o neill
with campbell and turbitt off the bench
armagh will be fine in ballyboffey
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I think Monaghan were a little bit lucky to get that last gasp free, looked a clear overcarrying foul to me. Very well taken of course, and McCarron was superb throughout. Wouldn't have made any difference to the Dubs as a draw would have seen both ourselves and Monaghan relegated, but Kildare can count themselves a little unfortunate.
Any thoughts about the 'easy' free are trumped by the easy penalty, the dub Lorcan was fairly dispossessed and went down from his own momentum.
Regardless, the Dubs bottled their chance of a late winner with that last wide, whereas McCarron did not bottle his task.
Agreed, both penalties were soft and the analysis completely overlooked how Monaghan managed to allow a pretty incompetent and rudderless Dublin back into the game. Dublin certainly didnt deserve to win the game and Kildare unfortunate to be the ones to lose out thanks to the very soft late free. Hats off to McCarron.
Hats off to Monaghan but I didn't think they were great either - they were just better than Dublin. Both sides were guilty of some terrible turnovers. In truth Monaghan were 4 or 5 points better and were lucky enough to get away with it in the end. They'll need to be better at closing out a game when the championship comes around.
Monaghan's penalty probably was a penalty but Dublin's wasn't. The defender won the ball cleanly and the Dublin fellow fell over. Didn't matter in the end.
Was at a wedding and Radio 1 had me updated driving from the church to reception...feckin sickener for Kildare but we did leave points behind in Omagh.
None of the results went our way, but overall I wouldn't go overboard on them. It was the first time in years we didn't lie down at the sight of a Dubs jersey and to beat them is still massive.
The away form was poor and we have no defensive system to speak of, so plenty of concerns.
Looking forward to Mayo v Kerry and you'd imagine both sides will go full pelt.
Quote from: KickPass on March 28, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 28, 2022, 09:37:11 AM
He's a very dirty player tbh. Absolutely fantastic but wouldn't think twice about wrecking boys.
He's a pure hallion alright. Would not look out of place in an Armagh jersey..
I know it's not your first account, but if you want to be a good WUM it is better to make it slightly believable. Maybe try posting a number of regular posts before you go all-in trying to wind up Armagh ones.
Your first 10 football posts on this account were about Armagh!
2/10
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Quote from: Main Street on March 28, 2022, 02:24:16 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 28, 2022, 08:55:57 AM
I think Monaghan were a little bit lucky to get that last gasp free, looked a clear overcarrying foul to me. Very well taken of course, and McCarron was superb throughout. Wouldn't have made any difference to the Dubs as a draw would have seen both ourselves and Monaghan relegated, but Kildare can count themselves a little unfortunate.
Any thoughts about the 'easy' free are trumped by the easy penalty, the dub Lorcan was fairly dispossessed and went down from his own momentum.
Regardless, the Dubs bottled their chance of a late winner with that last wide, whereas McCarron did not bottle his task.
Agreed, both penalties were soft and the analysis completely overlooked how Monaghan managed to allow a pretty incompetent and rudderless Dublin back into the game. Dublin certainly didnt deserve to win the game and Kildare unfortunate to be the ones to lose out thanks to the very soft late free. Hats off to McCarron.
Hats off to Monaghan but I didn't think they were great either - they were just better than Dublin. Both sides were guilty of some terrible turnovers. In truth Monaghan were 4 or 5 points better and were lucky enough to get away with it in the end. They'll need to be better at closing out a game when the championship comes around.
Monaghan's penalty probably was a penalty but Dublin's wasn't. The defender won the ball cleanly and the Dublin fellow fell over. Didn't matter in the end.
Anyone who opines that the Monaghan penalty was soft deserves a 6 weeks retreat in Guantanamo bay, our boy was tripped, mauled and hacked. The only issue was that the ref blew instantly and didn't let advantage play, that was a serious error of judgement as the loose ball was about to be struck into the back of the net.
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Quote from: balladmaker on March 29, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Read that myself and thought there's no way that should have been left unchallenged and Darren O'Sullivan backing him up. A bit of a stitch up job so close to championship. A coup for Donegal tho.
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 29, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Read that myself and thought there's no way that should have been left unchallenged and Darren O'Sullivan backing him up. A bit of a stitch up job so close to championship. A coup for Donegal tho.
Said it earlier in a post that rightly or wrongly Armagh would be made the escape goat. Now aramgh do have a case to answer as this is the 2nd or 3rd incident with them in the league alone. Be interesting to see what action if any is taken this week.
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 29, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Read that myself and thought there's no way that should have been left unchallenged and Darren O'Sullivan backing him up. A bit of a stitch up job so close to championship. A coup for Donegal tho.
They must be shitting themselves, as evidenced by the other McGee clown being sent on to try and get a rise out of Rian on Sunday. Simply don't have the players any more to beat us fairly.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 28, 2022, 11:06:52 AM
So that's the end of the league, and it was interesting right up until the end with relegation and a final place all at stake.
Well done Monaghan on top result yesterday, good morale boosting win, they should be confident knowing they can beat any team on their day.
Not sure if Kildare will sense blood in the water, but if they are ever to win Leinster this is the year. Dublin are not dead in the water, but that allure of being unbeatable is not there the way it used to be.
Top result for Tyrone also, again winning games will breed confidence and they are winning at the right time of the year.
For Armagh division 1 status was their aim so well done, goes to show you need a fast start in the league.
Donegal and Mayo are still a mixed bag to me and its hard to see if they will actually be contenders this year going off their leagues, watching them a handful of times its hard to know.
Kerry seem to be the standout team at the moment
How many times will people make that mistake to judge Mayo on the league, every year with the exception of 2019, and even then, people prob wouldn't even have said Mayo would win Connacht. Now they may not this year either as Galway are going well, but it wouldnt be the first year thats been the case either and Mayo still win Connacht.
I still dont think JH has the ability to win an all ireland final given his track record on the line in his 4 finals (is my number correct?) but think they probably have a good chance of getting there.
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 29, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Read that myself and thought there's no way that should have been left unchallenged and Darren O'Sullivan backing him up. A bit of a stitch up job so close to championship. A coup for Donegal tho.
They must be shitting themselves, as evidenced by the other McGee clown being sent on to try and get a rise out of Rian on Sunday. Simply don't have the players any more to beat us fairly.
Huh - they did beat you fairly sure.
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 29, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Read that myself and thought there's no way that should have been left unchallenged and Darren O'Sullivan backing him up. A bit of a stitch up job so close to championship. A coup for Donegal tho.
They must be shitting themselves, as evidenced by the other McGee clown being sent on to try and get a rise out of Rian on Sunday. Simply don't have the players any more to beat us fairly.
Huh - they did beta you fairly sure.
Sure we'll see in a few weeks. Not some kick about in the sun.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2022, 09:34:35 AM
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Quote from: balladmaker on March 29, 2022, 08:30:26 AM
Could just a well sit in the WTF thread ..... Eamon McGee writeup in SportsJoe.ie .... talk about biased and a blatant attempt to either secure Armagh suspensions, or at least have the ref. 'on notice' for a bit of leniency towards Donegal in Ballybofey. You'd think there was only one team on the field by reading the article .... the Donegal men must be worried with what they saw on Sunday.
Read that myself and thought there's no way that should have been left unchallenged and Darren O'Sullivan backing him up. A bit of a stitch up job so close to championship. A coup for Donegal tho.
They must be shitting themselves, as evidenced by the other McGee clown being sent on to try and get a rise out of Rian on Sunday. Simply don't have the players any more to beat us fairly.
Shitting themselves.
Right. ;D
Had O'Neill not just been involved in the scuffle that led to McCole going off for a few minutes in the first place?
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
If there are any suspensions for Donegal and Armagh players, will the suspension carry into the championship?
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Yes
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So that's the end of the league, and it was interesting right up until the end with relegation and a final place all at stake.
Well done Monaghan on top result yesterday, good morale boosting win, they should be confident knowing they can beat any team on their day.
Not sure if Kildare will sense blood in the water, but if they are ever to win Leinster this is the year. Dublin are not dead in the water, but that allure of being unbeatable is not there the way it used to be.
Top result for Tyrone also, again winning games will breed confidence and they are winning at the right time of the year.
For Armagh division 1 status was their aim so well done, goes to show you need a fast start in the league.
Donegal and Mayo are still a mixed bag to me and its hard to see if they will actually be contenders this year going off their leagues, watching them a handful of times its hard to know.
Kerry seem to be the standout team at the moment
How many times will people make that mistake to judge Mayo on the league, every year with the exception of 2019, and even then, people prob wouldn't even have said Mayo would win Connacht. Now they may not this year either as Galway are going well, but it wouldnt be the first year thats been the case either and Mayo still win Connacht.
I still dont think JH has the ability to win an all ireland final given his track record on the line in his 4 finals (is my number correct?) but think they probably have a good chance of getting there.
Getting there and losing again is worthless at this point. 5 times in the last while is enough.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
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I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Better off without a specific offence. just call it dangerous play or some on will get put of a suspension over the definition of 'HeadLock'
We have seen how the black card has become a joke because i believe its over prescribed in the Rule book. Where it should be for 'Cynical play'
its only for about 3 specific offences such as a pull down 3rd man taklw and verbal abuse???.
there are cases of forwards getting card because of poorly time tackes as the ball is being brought out .
that not what was intended. where as against mayo Tyrone and kerry stopped every quick free kick which mayo were using a lot this year , and not a sign of a card.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2022, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
By not making it a specific offence it is then left down to the interpretation of the referee as to what is deemed dangerous. Is a headlock deemed dangerous? We have seen before how different instances of the same offence are dealt with differently by different referees.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 12:10:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2022, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
By not making it a specific offence it is then left down to the interpretation of the referee as to what is deemed dangerous. Is a headlock deemed dangerous? We have seen before how different instances of the same offence are dealt with differently by different referees.
I think there is a degree of dangerous play in those headlocks and I certainly would not like to be on the end of them, Ive ref'd long enough and this for me isn't something I've seen at club level as much, pulling lads apart or lads entering from outside is common but I hope we don't see it this season, once its properly up and running.
It will never have the uniform approach from even the best referees in the country, who you think is the best referee others will have a far less opinion on, his approach will suit your style of how it should be ref'd and others will view it differently, Gaelic games are not ref'd like other sports to be fair, soccer seems to be an easier sport to ref but there are still huge debates during and after the games and these ref's at the top table are professional ref's.
the melee is more in the public eye now due to social media smart phones and better coverage from the national TV stations
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2022, 11:52:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
By not making it a specific offence it is then left down to the interpretation of the referee as to what is deemed dangerous. Is a headlock deemed dangerous? We have seen before how different instances of the same offence are dealt with differently by different referees.
I think there is a degree of dangerous play in those headlocks and I certainly would not like to be on the end of them, Ive ref'd long enough and this for me isn't something I've seen at club level as much, pulling lads apart or lads entering from outside is common but I hope we don't see it this season, once its properly up and running.
It will never have the uniform approach from even the best referees in the country, who you think is the best referee others will have a far less opinion on, his approach will suit your style of how it should be ref'd and others will view it differently, Gaelic games are not ref'd like other sports to be fair, soccer seems to be an easier sport to ref but there are still huge debates during and after the games and these ref's at the top table are professional ref's.
the melee is more in the public eye now due to social media smart phones and better coverage from the national TV stations
I was listening to Aaron Kernan on Sideline Eye podcast ( a much more measured approach than Eamon McGee elsewhere ) and he suggested that Croke Park could be influenced on suspensions by media and social media comment. Does anyone else think this is likely?
As an Armagh man I obviously don't want anyone suspended but if they are genuinely guilty and everyone else is treated equally then they only have themselves to blame. I would hate to think that biased social media comment could influence who gets a ban - especially if anyone has the misfortune to read the Hoganstand Forum !
They should punish the teams when these things happen.
If it happens in the league, dock points. Championship, forfeit the next game or something. Extreme perhaps, but it would put a stop to all this nonsense.
Its ridiculous trying to weed out the offenders in this all-in shite, especially when the film footage isn't great as was the case with Sunday's games. Let the referee sort out the original pair. Once the third man comes into it, punish the team. If both teams jump in, punish both.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2022, 01:17:27 PM
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Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
By not making it a specific offence it is then left down to the interpretation of the referee as to what is deemed dangerous. Is a headlock deemed dangerous? We have seen before how different instances of the same offence are dealt with differently by different referees.
I think there is a degree of dangerous play in those headlocks and I certainly would not like to be on the end of them, Ive ref'd long enough and this for me isn't something I've seen at club level as much, pulling lads apart or lads entering from outside is common but I hope we don't see it this season, once its properly up and running.
It will never have the uniform approach from even the best referees in the country, who you think is the best referee others will have a far less opinion on, his approach will suit your style of how it should be ref'd and others will view it differently, Gaelic games are not ref'd like other sports to be fair, soccer seems to be an easier sport to ref but there are still huge debates during and after the games and these ref's at the top table are professional ref's.
the melee is more in the public eye now due to social media smart phones and better coverage from the national TV stations
I was listening to Aaron Kernan on Sideline Eye podcast ( a much more measured approach than Eamon McGee elsewhere ) and he suggested that Croke Park could be influenced on suspensions by media and social media comment. Does anyone else think this is likely?
As an Armagh man I obviously don't want anyone suspended but if they are genuinely guilty and everyone else is treated equally then they only have themselves to blame. I would hate to think that biased social media comment could influence who gets a ban - especially if anyone has the misfortune to read the Hoganstand Forum !
Players, managers and officials will all look at social media. However, they are not going to be able to go on anything other than the officials report or on video evidence. Tyrone fans are right in their call for consistency in handing out punishments but there have been some obvious differences between what happened in the Tyrone match and the Donegal match with the former punishments were dished out by the referee and were upheld. In the Donegal game we are looking at retrospective suspensions that I think are going to come for both teams.
From an Armagh perspective it does not look good. There will be at least three players suspended for Armagh and there are three for Donegal from what I can make out on the very limited video evidence. There was an instance before the camera panned in to the substitutes where the linesman on the near side of the pitch ran a good 30 meters to intervene where three Donegal players and one of their officials were gathered around Grugan.
If teams get involved with melees there should be team punishments rather than go through this whole farce. It isn't clear what started it - people have their ideas about what initiated it, but there is bias in it. You would get a better analysis on the Sunday game than what you would on Hoganstand. I genuinely would not be surprised if the admins of that website were making multiples accounts and making it look like they have more traffic than they actually have .
In relation to this all in, would this not be managers telling them all in back each other up. And make it harder for men to get censored. Surely if manager instructed no one in, this wouldn't occur. Pat Gilroy took over Dublin and cut out their in your face attitude to the opposition every time they scored. Overnight.
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
They should punish the teams when these things happen.
If it happens in the league, dock points. Championship, forfeit the next game or something. Extreme perhaps, but it would put a stop to all this nonsense.
Its ridiculous trying to weed out the offenders in this all-in shite, especially when the film footage isn't great as was the case with Sunday's games. Let the referee sort out the original pair. Once the third man comes into it, punish the team. If both teams jump in, punish both.
The fair thing would be to deduct two league points from each team and then relegate Donegal instead of Kildare on Score difference.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2022, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
They should punish the teams when these things happen.
If it happens in the league, dock points. Championship, forfeit the next game or something. Extreme perhaps, but it would put a stop to all this nonsense.
Its ridiculous trying to weed out the offenders in this all-in shite, especially when the film footage isn't great as was the case with Sunday's games. Let the referee sort out the original pair. Once the third man comes into it, punish the team. If both teams jump in, punish both.
The fair thing would be to deduct two league points from each team and then relegate Donegal instead of Kildare on Score difference.
And what about the other two points for you boys from the Tyrone game? ;D
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2022, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
They should punish the teams when these things happen.
If it happens in the league, dock points. Championship, forfeit the next game or something. Extreme perhaps, but it would put a stop to all this nonsense.
Its ridiculous trying to weed out the offenders in this all-in shite, especially when the film footage isn't great as was the case with Sunday's games. Let the referee sort out the original pair. Once the third man comes into it, punish the team. If both teams jump in, punish both.
The fair thing would be to deduct two league points from each team and then relegate Donegal instead of Kildare on Score difference.
And what about the other two points for you boys from the Tyrone game? ;D
Don't forget Dublin and Kerry
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Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 02:46:51 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on March 29, 2022, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 02:32:27 PM
They should punish the teams when these things happen.
If it happens in the league, dock points. Championship, forfeit the next game or something. Extreme perhaps, but it would put a stop to all this nonsense.
Its ridiculous trying to weed out the offenders in this all-in shite, especially when the film footage isn't great as was the case with Sunday's games. Let the referee sort out the original pair. Once the third man comes into it, punish the team. If both teams jump in, punish both.
The fair thing would be to deduct two league points from each team and then relegate Donegal instead of Kildare on Score difference.
And what about the other two points for you boys from the Tyrone game? ;D
Don't forget Dublin and Kerry
Sure you couldn't be having that type of retribution unless an Ulster team was involved.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 29, 2022, 02:37:43 PM
In relation to this all in, would this not be managers telling them all in back each other up. And make it harder for men to get censored. Surely if manager instructed no one in, this wouldn't occur. Pat Gilroy took over Dublin and cut out their in your face attitude to the opposition every time they scored. Overnight.
No doubt.
Not new either.
Colm Coyle and Liam McHale. Who suffered the bigger handicap when the ref singled out two men in the mass brawl of '96?
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
By not making it a specific offence it is then left down to the interpretation of the referee as to what is deemed dangerous. Is a headlock deemed dangerous? We have seen before how different instances of the same offence are dealt with differently by different referees.
I think there is a degree of dangerous play in those headlocks and I certainly would not like to be on the end of them, Ive ref'd long enough and this for me isn't something I've seen at club level as much, pulling lads apart or lads entering from outside is common but I hope we don't see it this season, once its properly up and running.
It will never have the uniform approach from even the best referees in the country, who you think is the best referee others will have a far less opinion on, his approach will suit your style of how it should be ref'd and others will view it differently, Gaelic games are not ref'd like other sports to be fair, soccer seems to be an easier sport to ref but there are still huge debates during and after the games and these ref's at the top table are professional ref's.
the melee is more in the public eye now due to social media smart phones and better coverage from the national TV stations
I was listening to Aaron Kernan on Sideline Eye podcast ( a much more measured approach than Eamon McGee elsewhere ) and he suggested that Croke Park could be influenced on suspensions by media and social media comment. Does anyone else think this is likely?
As an Armagh man I obviously don't want anyone suspended but if they are genuinely guilty and everyone else is treated equally then they only have themselves to blame. I would hate to think that biased social media comment could influence who gets a ban - especially if anyone has the misfortune to read the Hoganstand Forum !
I would agree with most of this however tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before. There were a right few armagh supporters pushing for tyrone suspensions after the game.
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game and should have the wit to keep their noses clean.
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Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 10:29:50 AM
I'm not getting into the rights and wrongs of it but the irony of a McGee complaining about physical aggression!
Fair enough, but it was the headlocks, specifically, from what I read.
If there isn't a specific rule that states that a headlock is a red card then the GAA should introduce it into the rulebook, I have no problem with that. It is arguably more dangerous than a lot of current red card offences.
After that, if anybody choked an opponent in a headlock, then if the existing rules allow it issue them with a suspension. As long as the rules are applied evenly to both sides rather than this implication that it is a pre conceived tactic employed specifically by Armagh. Referencing an incident from 2014 bears little relevance to a League match 8 years later.
Dangerous play is a red card as is contributing to a melee and also a red card is striking, either with fist, arm, elbow, knee, foot or head. It was all uncalled for and subs should be in the stand, away ta feck from the sidlines were they are getting worked up along with the management
By not making it a specific offence it is then left down to the interpretation of the referee as to what is deemed dangerous. Is a headlock deemed dangerous? We have seen before how different instances of the same offence are dealt with differently by different referees.
I think there is a degree of dangerous play in those headlocks and I certainly would not like to be on the end of them, Ive ref'd long enough and this for me isn't something I've seen at club level as much, pulling lads apart or lads entering from outside is common but I hope we don't see it this season, once its properly up and running.
It will never have the uniform approach from even the best referees in the country, who you think is the best referee others will have a far less opinion on, his approach will suit your style of how it should be ref'd and others will view it differently, Gaelic games are not ref'd like other sports to be fair, soccer seems to be an easier sport to ref but there are still huge debates during and after the games and these ref's at the top table are professional ref's.
the melee is more in the public eye now due to social media smart phones and better coverage from the national TV stations
I was listening to Aaron Kernan on Sideline Eye podcast ( a much more measured approach than Eamon McGee elsewhere ) and he suggested that Croke Park could be influenced on suspensions by media and social media comment. Does anyone else think this is likely?
As an Armagh man I obviously don't want anyone suspended but if they are genuinely guilty and everyone else is treated equally then they only have themselves to blame. I would hate to think that biased social media comment could influence who gets a ban - especially if anyone has the misfortune to read the Hoganstand Forum !
I would agree with most of this however tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before. There were a right few armagh supporters pushing for tyrone suspensions after the game.
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game and should have the wit to keep their noses clean.
Everyone wants consistency and yes Tyrone have unfairly suffered at the hands of the media but they are not the only team to have experienced it. Armagh fans calling for Tyrone players to be suspended is completely different as Tyrone fans were making accusations that Armagh started it when this wasn't the case. Tyrone fans are now trying to lay the boot into Armagh for what happened and whilst Armagh are guilty of incidents there is no evidence to show they started it.
I could quite easily make an argument for both Armagh and Donegal wanting a reason to start it - FIVE Donegal players approached O'Neill in that melee and one of them forced their head into his face and O'Neill certainly was no angel btw neither was Hall. Something did happen with Grugan and four Donegal lads because you can see the Linesman approaching them. Likewise Armagh could be blamed for it. Wouldn't it be great to have Murphy and or McBreaty suspended? The obvious point here is that Armagh had a history of being in a melee that is fresh in the minds of the GAA and rightly or wrongly Armagh are bearing the brunt of the blame for this even though there is nothing to suggest they started it - there is evidence to suggest suspensions are coming though for both teams in the aftermath.
Stupid judgements were made by players from both sides in the aftermath of that game and the crappy video evidence will not do the situation any justice. It is potentially a pointless exercise (in terms of getting it complete right) and they perhaps should look at severe penalties for counties involved in them rather than having to deal with the mess.
its pretty rich Eamonn McGee making comment about any type of rough play, given the antics of both him and his brother over the years! How long did Neil McGee last on the pitch after being yellow carded ?? They would both know all about it. Having viewed the pictures that he has put onto social media, its just a pity he didn't go and put the pictures up of what actually started it ie Messrs Murphy, McFaddan -Ferry, McBrearty along with most of the Donegal Back room Team and a few what looked like Stewards ? (yellow bibs) throwing their weight around. Then to start talking about the Donegal Doctor's warnings( the Doctor who spends most time on the pitch will all these invisible head injuries Donegal seem to have, when the game needs slowed down - Yet no-one ever goes off)!! Actually pretty sad from Eamonn McGee that he has to go back to a time when Karl Lacey was playing to write a story.. Armagh were no angels, but the blatant picking and choosing by some in the southern media is a joke. Whatever punishment that is handed out needs to be taken on the chin and move on, So Long as the punishment is fair and not just directed at Armagh. As an Armagh Fan i certainly did not shout for any Tyrone Players to be suspended in that game but Peter Harte's actions (who i like as a player) were much more rough and dangerous that anything that happened on Sunday !
Quote from: Armagh Girl on March 29, 2022, 04:01:06 PM
its pretty rich Eamonn McGee making comment about any type of rough play, given the antics of both him and his brother over the years! How long did Neil McGee last on the pitch after being yellow carded ?? They would both know all about it. Having viewed the pictures that he has put onto social media, its just a pity he didn't go and put the pictures up of what actually started it ie Messrs Murphy, McFaddan -Ferry, McBrearty along with most of the Donegal Back room Team and a few what looked like Stewards ? (yellow bibs) throwing their weight around. Then to start talking about the Donegal Doctor's warnings( the Doctor who spends most time on the pitch will all these invisible head injuries Donegal seem to have, when the game needs slowed down - Yet no-one ever goes off)!! Actually pretty sad from Eamonn McGee that he has to go back to a time when Karl Lacey was playing to write a story.. Armagh were no angels, but the blatant picking and choosing by some in the southern media is a joke. Whatever punishment that is handed out needs to be taken on the chin and move on, So Long as the punishment is fair and not just directed at Armagh. As an Armagh Fan i certainly did not shout for any Tyrone Players to be suspended in that game but Peter Harte's actions (who i like as a player) were much more rough and dangerous that anything that happened on Sunday !
It is difficult to not be bias, even when you think you aren't being biased there is always going to be a slight element of it. Unless I see it with my own two eyes, I cannot say who started it. We can speculate who started it but that is not evidence in itself. I don't like it when people form an opinion without any evidence such as "Oh Armagh must have started it, they were involved with something similar against Tyrone". They make themselves look like clowns when they do shite like that, because it is downright lazy. I am being careful not to blame anyone because its difficult to do so amongst all that therefore you are left with the aftermath - and it doesn't look good for either team whilst the initial instigators get to have an easy ride. However, in relation to what McGee is saying - he is 100% biased so why would anyone within the GAA listen to that?
I agree with everyone else with regards to there having to be punishments for this and that it is unsightly etc. However, we make too much of a big deal out of it (myself included). It is a competitive contact sport where teams work hard and want to win and that sometimes spills over. There is a lot that goes on on the field the cameras cannot capture.
The McGee move seems rather suspicious
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Just for balance - First one fair enough, no justification.
Second incident involving number 10 - Funnily enough with a bit of editing from the Sunday game an incident happened just before where #10 for Donegal forcefully shoved Jamar Hall in the back when he was walking away and Hall got back up and confronted him. The only clear headlock is from Donegal #10 on Hall and he took him to the ground.
Number 7 for Donegal through an uppercut to I think it was and the same player punched Duffy in the face.
A player whose number we cannot see for Donegal (funny that, the same with the other Donegal players) was going around antagonising every other Armagh player for a fight as he went around the field and started squared up to Forker, Duffy, Sheridan, McCabe and pushed his head into Rian O'Neill's face.
The 40 second incident didn't happen as the video was transitioning but again, that was Duffy pulling a player off Hall and you could clearly see him pulling him off from the shirt moments before. Then the same Donegal guy going around starting fights with Armagh players was there AGAIN dragging Duffy to the floor.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 29, 2022, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Just for balance - First one fair enough, no justification.
Second incident involving number 10 - Funnily enough with a bit of editing from the Sunday game an incident happened just before where #10 for Donegal forcefully shoved Jamar Hall in the back when he was walking away and Hall got back up and confronted him. The only clear headlock is from Donegal #10 on Hall and he took him to the ground.
Number 7 for Donegal through an uppercut to I think it was and the same player punched Duffy in the face.
A player whose number we cannot see for Donegal (funny that, the same with the other Donegal players) was going around antagonising every other Armagh player for a fight as he went around the field and started squared up to Forker, Duffy, Sheridan, McCabe and pushed his head into Rian O'Neill's face.
The 40 second incident didn't happen as the video was transitioning but again, that was Duffy pulling a player off Hall and you could clearly see him pulling him off from the shirt moments before. Then the same Donegal guy going around starting fights with Armagh players was there AGAIN dragging Duffy to the floor.
No doubt about it Donegal we're at it, I didn't focus on them as I was asked to show the Armagh ones. You could easily pull up the same number if Donegal players as well.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 29, 2022, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Just for balance - First one fair enough, no justification.
Second incident involving number 10 - Funnily enough with a bit of editing from the Sunday game an incident happened just before where #10 for Donegal forcefully shoved Jamar Hall in the back when he was walking away and Hall got back up and confronted him. The only clear headlock is from Donegal #10 on Hall and he took him to the ground.
Number 7 for Donegal through an uppercut to I think it was and the same player punched Duffy in the face.
A player whose number we cannot see for Donegal (funny that, the same with the other Donegal players) was going around antagonising every other Armagh player for a fight as he went around the field and started squared up to Forker, Duffy, Sheridan, McCabe and pushed his head into Rian O'Neill's face.
The 40 second incident didn't happen as the video was transitioning but again, that was Duffy pulling a player off Hall and you could clearly see him pulling him off from the shirt moments before. Then the same Donegal guy going around starting fights with Armagh players was there AGAIN dragging Duffy to the floor.
A player whose number we cannot see for Donegal (funny that, the same with the other Donegal players)What does this mean?
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 05:22:42 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 29, 2022, 05:13:23 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Just for balance - First one fair enough, no justification.
Second incident involving number 10 - Funnily enough with a bit of editing from the Sunday game an incident happened just before where #10 for Donegal forcefully shoved Jamar Hall in the back when he was walking away and Hall got back up and confronted him. The only clear headlock is from Donegal #10 on Hall and he took him to the ground.
Number 7 for Donegal through an uppercut to I think it was and the same player punched Duffy in the face.
A player whose number we cannot see for Donegal (funny that, the same with the other Donegal players) was going around antagonising every other Armagh player for a fight as he went around the field and started squared up to Forker, Duffy, Sheridan, McCabe and pushed his head into Rian O'Neill's face.
The 40 second incident didn't happen as the video was transitioning but again, that was Duffy pulling a player off Hall and you could clearly see him pulling him off from the shirt moments before. Then the same Donegal guy going around starting fights with Armagh players was there AGAIN dragging Duffy to the floor.
No doubt about it Donegal we're at it, I didn't focus on them as I was asked to show the Armagh ones. You could easily pull up the same number if Donegal players as well.
It isn't going to happen but I really do hope all angles are shown - I really want to know what happened on the nearside.
Quote from: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 05:34:57 PM
You'd exoect HQ will quickly establish the Armagh are the common denominator in most of the televised brawls over the past few years. They need to make an example. Didn't they even assault the poor girl who was the Cavan flag-bearer a couple of years back kicking off another melee?
I know I shouldn't. But
Armagh have not been involved in a number of televised brawls over the last few years - as you would no doubt gloat about they have not been on television much as they have been playing in lower leagues!
The incident you talk about was from 2014. There is no point arguing over the rights and wrongs of what happened but nobody in the band was assaulted. There was an unproven allegation that the Armagh captain told her to f......g move to the other side so Armagh, as home team, could line up closest to fans.
As expected, it was fairly obvious that this would become a feeding frenzy for the media especially with the 2 counties playing each other again in a few weeks time.
No sign of Murphy in any of that footage yet some people who were at the match have suggested that he started the whole thing off. Looking at the video there at least a few players who will be sweating unless they manage to get off on some form of technicality.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 05:53:11 PM
As expected, it was fairly obvious that this would become a feeding frenzy for the media especially with the 2 counties playing each other again in a few weeks time.
No sign of Murphy in any of that footage yet some people who were at the match have suggested that he started the whole thing off. Looking at the video there at least a few players who will be sweating unless they manage to get off on some form of technicality.
And the feeding frenzy will up the tension going into the game even more.
All the more reason why the GAA need to start to stamp out this stuff.
Its only a f**king game.
And hopefully the two management teams will agree to some orderly process for getting the teams into the changing rooms at half time and we don't have scuffles when the two teams converge on the steps down into that tiny tunnel as always happens when we play Tyrone in Ballybofey. Mickey Harte held his team back one year. Bonner and McGeeney should agree to the same.
Quote from: J70 on March 29, 2022, 06:00:32 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 29, 2022, 05:53:11 PM
As expected, it was fairly obvious that this would become a feeding frenzy for the media especially with the 2 counties playing each other again in a few weeks time.
No sign of Murphy in any of that footage yet some people who were at the match have suggested that he started the whole thing off. Looking at the video there at least a few players who will be sweating unless they manage to get off on some form of technicality.
And the feeding frenzy will up the tension going into the game even more.
All the more reason why the GAA need to start to stamp out this stuff.
Its only a f**king game.
And hopefully the two management teams will agree to some orderly process for getting the teams into the changing rooms at half time and we don't have scuffles when the two teams converge on the steps down into that tiny tunnel as always happens when we play Tyrone in Ballybofey. Mickey Harte held his team back one year. Bonner and McGeeney should agree to the same.
100%
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Laughable stuff.
You claim Tyrone have been the victim of trial by media many times. Asked to name some of those times and you come up with exactly nil. Is it possible that your argument didn't stand up to even your own scrutiny?
Secondly you claimed that armagh got off lightly in the Armagh Vs Tyrone match and when asked for examples you produce footage from a completely different game. And don't pretend you thought it was the Donegal game I was referring to as
A) it was your statement about the Tyrone game I was quoting and
B) Armagh can hardly got off lightly when the punishments from the Donegal haven't even been handed out yet.
Again it looks like you have no faith in your own argument
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Quote from: LCohen on March 29, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
tyrone have suffered trial by media many times before.
Ok list the instances then. Note media coverage of guilt is not trial of media. Presumably you will reply with a list of innocent players who were portrayed as guilty in the media and then punished? Let's hear it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM
Armagh should have learnt that they got off very lightly at that game
Name the guilty players then?
I am an armagh supporter and firmly believe that guilty players should be punished irrespective of where they are from. I am deeply suspicious that some want players punished because of where they are from
OK let's do this. First of all trial by media doesn't mean someone is innocent. It means the media have blown it out of proportion before the pushment has been given.
Saying as you are so interested but too lazy to find the Armagh players at fault I have done it for you
https://twitter.com/TheSundayGame/status/1508193364159733767?t=po_dYBWAiqBrjpYoUbgUjA&s=19
21 seconds in. Armagh number 15 punched dongel number 10 in side on head.
32 seconds armagh number 25 grabbed Donegal number 10 from behind and pulled him to the ground. Then an armagh sub in black top comes in and takes a swing when the Donegal player gets up.
40 seconds in Armagh number 17 drags a Donegal player down from behind by the neck.
Is that enough? Also any punch to the head is significantly more dangerous than a headlock. Count lads have died from one punch to the head.
Laughable stuff.
You claim Tyrone have been the victim of trial by media many times. Asked to name some of those times and you come up with exactly nil. Is it possible that your argument didn't stand up to even your own scrutiny?
Secondly you claimed that armagh got off lightly in the Armagh Vs Tyrone match and when asked for examples you produce footage from a completely different game. And don't pretend you thought it was the Donegal game I was referring to as
A) it was your statement about the Tyrone game I was quoting and
B) Armagh can hardly got off lightly when the punishments from the Donegal haven't even been handed out yet.
Again it looks like you have no faith in your own argument
You aren't even listening to your own argument. You asked for innocent players trialed by media. I said there wasn't any as they were guilty but it blown out of all proportion.
You said guilt players should be punished then ignored the clear evidence I have shown.
As for the tyrone game, rmagh numbers 12, 13 and at the end 3 should be have been red carded as they all were involved in headlocks.
Again as you are lazy, 13 and 12 headlocks at 24 seconds and number 3 throws a tyrone player to the ground by the neck at 1.09.
But sure you will ignore these as well even you "firmly believe guilty players should be punished"
A tyronie talking about trampish behaviour, you couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Average Score on March 29, 2022, 09:06:12 PM
A tyronie talking about trampish behaviour, you couldn't make it up.
Nobody mentioned trampish behaviour however now that you mention it 2 rows does look a bit trampish
Quote from: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 29, 2022, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 05:34:57 PM
You'd exoect HQ will quickly establish the Armagh are the common denominator in most of the televised brawls over the past few years. They need to make an example. Didn't they even assault the poor girl who was the Cavan flag-bearer a couple of years back kicking off another melee?
I know I shouldn't. But
Armagh have not been involved in a number of televised brawls over the last few years - as you would no doubt gloat about they have not been on television much as they have been playing in lower leagues!
The incident you talk about was from 2014. There is no point arguing over the rights and wrongs of what happened but nobody in the band was assaulted. There was an unproven allegation that the Armagh captain told her to f......g move to the other side so Armagh, as home team, could line up closest to fans.
Ciaran McKeever was the said captain. Why conveniently leave that fact out?? Because he has lots for form for the trampish behaviour he was accused of perhaps?? By coincidence he's now the assistant manager. Not hard to see what he brings to the party.
I hope you understand there is a big difference from what was alleged to have been said and assault. I would suggest falsely accusing someone of assault is much worse than telling them f.....g move.
Given what appears to be Donegal's premeditated provocation of the handbags should automatically result in them conceding home advantage in favour of a neutral venue ;)
Quote from: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 09:40:27 PM
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Quote from: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on March 29, 2022, 05:44:10 PM
Quote from: KickPass on March 29, 2022, 05:34:57 PM
You'd exoect HQ will quickly establish the Armagh are the common denominator in most of the televised brawls over the past few years. They need to make an example. Didn't they even assault the poor girl who was the Cavan flag-bearer a couple of years back kicking off another melee?
I know I shouldn't. But
Armagh have not been involved in a number of televised brawls over the last few years - as you would no doubt gloat about they have not been on television much as they have been playing in lower leagues!
The incident you talk about was from 2014. There is no point arguing over the rights and wrongs of what happened but nobody in the band was assaulted. There was an unproven allegation that the Armagh captain told her to f......g move to the other side so Armagh, as home team, could line up closest to fans.
Ciaran McKeever was the said captain. Why conveniently leave that fact out?? Because he has lots for form for the trampish behaviour he was accused of perhaps?? By coincidence he's now the assistant manager. Not hard to see what he brings to the party.
I hope you understand there is a big difference from what was alleged to have been said and assault. I would suggest falsely accusing someone of assault is much worse than telling them f.....g move.
The assault allegation came from the all in melee that followed not the verbal altercation
I should know better.
Read what you said initially and stop making yourself look foolish.
Anyway, that is my last comment. Your experience will undoubtedly beat me.
Nothing like an auld melee to fill a few pages. ;D
Wait till the punishments are handed out and we'll get another few pages out of the injustices that were done.
Genuine question ... did the Armagh lad that gave away the penalty get a card? Thought it was a terrible tackle and forced Brennan to go off.
BTW Neil McGee was on as a blood sub, hence his short (but impactful) cameo.
What other sports do you get regular field fights/ scuffles on? Even Ice Hockey calmed down. You had Kilcoo game last year, Lavey v Ballinderry, Laois championship game ( Watch that on YouTube, it's something else) , Wicklow U-16 game, pile in at Kerry v Dublin, Tyrone v Armagh, Donegal v Armagh. Downpatrick a few yrs ago which ended in car park. A manager over a Tyrone club last year had mentioned how a player got his jaw broke just over a tussle, and there were a few things going on at club games simply not getting reported. So it obvious the Gaa is not coming down hard on these with every avenue took to get players off and suspensions and fines reduced. It not be to someone is seriously injured or killed, that the Gaa will take it serious and by then its too late. How come Rugby, a more confrontational game is not having regular punch ups?. Cause the suspension and fines are severe.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 29, 2022, 10:47:17 PM
What other sports do you get regular field fights/ scuffles on? Even Ice Hockey calmed down. You had Kilcoo game last year, Lavey v Ballinderry, Laois championship game ( Watch that on YouTube, it's something else) , Wicklow U-16 game, pile in at Kerry v Dublin, Tyrone v Armagh, Donegal v Armagh. Downpatrick a few yrs ago which ended in car park. A manager over a Tyrone club last year had mentioned how a player got his jaw broke just over a tussle, and there were a few things going on at club games simply not getting reported. So it obvious the Gaa is not coming down hard on these with every avenue took to get players off and suspensions and fines reduced. It not be to someone is seriously injured or killed, that the Gaa will take it serious and by then its too late. How come Rugby, a more confrontational game is not having regular punch ups?. Cause the suspension and fines are severe.
Because it is all the off the ball stuff that starts all this shite, and the umpires and linemen are not fit for purpose. Aidian Nugent and Andy Murnin were being mauled, dragged, kicked and abused for about 5 minutes whilst play was at the other end of the field, no surprise the number 4 was involved, Nugent went to the umpires to complain and he waved him away, is it anyone wonder players get frustrated, you basically have a semi trained ref, a few semi trained linesmen and the refs 4 mates - what could go wrong!
Not sure how true it is but I hear 3 Armagh players are suspended for the championship game.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on March 30, 2022, 11:43:05 AM
Not sure how true it is but I hear 3 Armagh players are suspended for the championship game.
Heard that plus 3 from Donegal as well. Hopefully all 6 subject to successful appeals.
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 30, 2022, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
As should O'Neill be. If he avoids it after that punch the whole thing is a farce.
I've watched it back a few times and the only thing remotely like a punch is a slight movement with the left hand. Looked like more of a shove to me than a punch. Surprise surprise Donegal target the best or second best player in the country to get him banned....
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
Not only a tr**p but a yellow tr**p.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Grow the f**k up.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 30, 2022, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
As should O'Neill be. If he avoids it after that punch the whole thing is a farce.
What punch is that, I was there and didn't see him punch anyone - Murphy on the other hand!
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Grow the f**k up.
Bless Not like the truth kid.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
Not only a tr**p but a yellow tr**p.
Delete that. He's hard hitting and no more of a tr**p than any of our own players. Would take him in a heart beat as would any team.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Grow the f**k up.
Bless Not like the truth kid.
I've no issue with the truth. If there's evidence available that Murphy or any other Donegal player threw punches or pulled lads into headlocks or whatever, throw the book at them. It will teach them (and hopefully others) a serious lesson which is only for the overall good.
I won't be on here whining like you are before anything even comes out that Armagh are going to be stitched up.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
Not only a tr**p but a yellow tr**p.
Delete that. He's hard hitting and no more of a tr**p than any of our own players. Would take him in a heart beat as would any team.
So you acknowledge trampish behaviour within the sport and within Armagh camp but you aren't allow to call it out - it is what it is, if players played football instead of all the other shite that goes one no one would talking about such behaviour, you aren't exempt because you were / are one of the best footballers in the country.
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Grow the f**k up.
Bless Not like the truth kid.
I've no issue with the truth. If there's evidence available that Murphy or any other Donegal player threw punches or pulled lads into headlocks or whatever, throw the book at them. It will teach them (and hopefully others) a serious lesson which is only for the overall good.
I won't be on here whining like you are before anything even comes out that Armagh are going to be stitched up.
A lot of talk that Murphy hit Grugan at the final whistle but I wasn't there and haven't watched any footage so can't say one way or the other. Like you tho I'm off the opinion that you take your punishment, hopefully learn from it, and move on.
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Grow the f**k up.
Bless Not like the truth kid.
I've no issue with the truth. If there's evidence available that Murphy or any other Donegal player threw punches or pulled lads into headlocks or whatever, throw the book at them. It will teach them (and hopefully others) a serious lesson which is only for the overall good.
I won't be on here whining like you are before anything even comes out that Armagh are going to be stitched up.
FFS evidence - even video evidence is dismissed I stood and watched it, there was subs, backroom staff players all involved either trying to get it sorted or acting the hardman, there were sly digs, headlocks, it was pathetic from both teams how the ref picked out 6 players and those 6 is beyond me.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
Not only a tr**p but a yellow tr**p.
Delete that. He's hard hitting and no more of a tr**p than any of our own players. Would take him in a heart beat as would any team.
So you acknowledge trampish behaviour within the sport and within Armagh camp but you aren't allow to call it out - it is what it is, if players played football instead of all the other shite that goes one no one would talking about such behaviour, you aren't exempt because you were / are one of the best footballers in the country.
What trampish behaviour? Havent seen any in any of the clips and wasnt there so wont comment.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 01:04:05 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:50:15 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
Not only a tr**p but a yellow tr**p.
Delete that. He's hard hitting and no more of a tr**p than any of our own players. Would take him in a heart beat as would any team.
So you acknowledge trampish behaviour within the sport and within Armagh camp but you aren't allow to call it out - it is what it is, if players played football instead of all the other shite that goes one no one would talking about such behaviour, you aren't exempt because you were / are one of the best footballers in the country.
What trampish behaviour? Havent seen any in any of the clips and wasnt there so wont comment.
Yet you have done nothing but comment.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 01:02:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:56:31 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 12:48:30 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:39:22 PM
Couldn't see anything anywhere online, so I checked the Orchard County forum.
Aside from the completely unbiased whinging and victimhood on display ( ;D), they are also listing those three rumoured names for Armagh.
Neil McGee, our sub keeper, and McFadden-Ferry for us.
I guess we'll find out later how true it is.
::) Be amazed if all 6 stand no way Donegal should lose a player all 3 should be subs suspended, maybe a water boy could take the hit!
Grow the f**k up.
Bless Not like the truth kid.
I've no issue with the truth. If there's evidence available that Murphy or any other Donegal player threw punches or pulled lads into headlocks or whatever, throw the book at them. It will teach them (and hopefully others) a serious lesson which is only for the overall good.
I won't be on here whining like you are before anything even comes out that Armagh are going to be stitched up.
FFS evidence - even video evidence is dismissed I stood and watched it, there was subs, backroom staff players all involved either trying to get it sorted or acting the hardman, there were sly digs, headlocks, it was pathetic from both teams how the ref picked out 6 players and those 6 is beyond me.
Well in that case maybe they should have a tribunal and invite all the supporters of both sides (all with perfect and objective recall, of course) to testify before they take disciplinary action. ::)
What do you want them to do? It's the referee's report and whatever video evidence is available. That's it. Just like it always is.
You are looking for evidence, so if you are not at the match and no clip of your fav players all good as far as you are concerned. ::) Even the video evidence is subjective you could choose other players and make a case for those named. As previously mentioned if the 7 officials helped each other and called out off the ball stuff we may start to concentrate on football.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
You are looking for evidence, so if you are not at the match and no clip of your fav players all good as far as you are concerned. ::) Even the video evidence is subjective you could choose other players and make a case for those named. As previously mentioned if the 7 officials helped each other and called out off the ball stuff we may start to concentrate on football.
Yes, I'm looking for evidence. Either from the referee (with the aid of his assistants) or from video footage.
I'm not clear on what you're looking for.
If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 30, 2022, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on March 30, 2022, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Think he is busy preparing for under 20 championship match on Friday
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 01:21:57 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 01:16:38 PM
You are looking for evidence, so if you are not at the match and no clip of your fav players all good as far as you are concerned. ::) Even the video evidence is subjective you could choose other players and make a case for those named. As previously mentioned if the 7 officials helped each other and called out off the ball stuff we may start to concentrate on football.
Yes, I'm looking for evidence. Either from the referee (with the aid of his assistants) or from video footage.
I'm not clear on what you're looking for.
Officials to do their job,
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:48:41 AM
Because it is all the off the ball stuff that starts all this shite, and the umpires and linemen are not fit for purpose. Aidian Nugent and Andy Murnin were being mauled, dragged, kicked and abused for about 5 minutes whilst play was at the other end of the field, no surprise the number 4 was involved, Nugent went to the umpires to complain and he waved him away, is it anyone wonder players get frustrated, you basically have a semi trained ref, a few semi trained linesmen and the refs 4 mates - what could go wrong!
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Nugent and Murnin were targeted all match and McGee came on to do a job - classy bunch.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Big advantage to Donegal then. McGee is finished whilst Armagh have lost one of their best forwards, their joint captain and a midfielder. Donegal will be smiling.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Big advantage to Donegal then. McGee is finished whilst Armagh have lost one of their best forwards, their joint captain and a midfielder. Donegal will be smiling.
Donegal kicked the skirmish off and got away with a one player ban - they will be looking to an Ulster Final laughing - Armagh have to learn to be as cynical as others.
How come Ulster teams get treated differently? I don't think any Tyrone Armagh or Donegal players should have or will miss games.
Anyway it is interesting looking back at tweets from Armagh people in particular after the Tyrone game and how they should take their punishment etc......and how vocal Oisin was about contributing to a melee and this time nothing......karma I think.
Quote from: The Trap on March 30, 2022, 02:08:24 PM
How come Ulster northern teams get treated differently? I don't think any Tyrone Armagh or Donegal players should have or will miss games.
Anyway it is interesting looking back at tweets from Armagh people in particular after the Tyrone game and how they should take their punishment etc......and how vocal Oisin was about contributing to a melee and this time nothing......karma I think.
Fixed that for you, Karma your hole if Fergal had 4 or 5 weeks and could have been arsed all 4 Tyronies would have got off.
Why not just take the punishment. If you neck roll someone you are risking serious injury. A bit of integrity would be welcome.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Nugent and Murnin were targeted all match and McGee came on to do a job - classy bunch.
You do have to question McGee's intentions considering he received a yellow card for the little time he was on the pitch and when on the subs bench he is suspended for his part in a melee.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Big advantage to Donegal then. McGee is finished whilst Armagh have lost one of their best forwards, their joint captain and a midfielder. Donegal will be smiling.
Donegal kicked the skirmish off and got away with a one player ban - they will be looking to an Ulster Final laughing - Armagh have to learn to be as cynical as others.
Plenty of strength in depth to replace those lads anyway. The 2 irreplaceable lads for me are Rian O'Neill and Aidan Forker.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 02:17:51 PM
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Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 01:49:56 PM
Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Nugent and Murnin were targeted all match and McGee came on to do a job - classy bunch.
You do have to question McGee's intentions considering he received a yellow card for the little time he was on the pitch and when on the subs bench he is suspended for his part in a melee.
He wouldnt be much use at anything else these days.
I know we're moving into whinging everyone hates us Tyrone terriritory but we've all the motivation in the world now, free of charge too.
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You are looking for evidence, so if you are not at the match and no clip of your fav players all good as far as you are concerned. ::) Even the video evidence is subjective you could choose other players and make a case for those named. As previously mentioned if the 7 officials helped each other and called out off the ball stuff we may start to concentrate on football.
Yes, I'm looking for evidence. Either from the referee (with the aid of his assistants) or from video footage.
I'm not clear on what you're looking for.
Officials to do their job,
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:48:41 AM
Because it is all the off the ball stuff that starts all this shite, and the umpires and linemen are not fit for purpose. Aidian Nugent and Andy Murnin were being mauled, dragged, kicked and abused for about 5 minutes whilst play was at the other end of the field, no surprise the number 4 was involved, Nugent went to the umpires to complain and he waved him away, is it anyone wonder players get frustrated, you basically have a semi trained ref, a few semi trained linesmen and the refs 4 mates - what could go wrong!
Players have been getting mauled, pulled, dragged and abused in all provinces, but especially Ulster, for years. Your own boys were no slouches at it back in their heyday and dished out plenty to Donegal teams over the years. Yeah, it would be great if referees and umpires and the overall surveillance of the game was better, but that's for another day and of absolutely no use to us in this case.
There clearly was an orchestrated campaign by the Donegal players at FT and Armagh fell hook, line and sinker for it. I'm disappointed in our lads for allowing themselves to be suckered into it the way that they did. I don't agree with this constant appealing suspensions. If I was Geezer I would not appeal them and use it as a massive motivating tool for Ballybofey. We have plenty of backup in the squad and a few lads will get their chance now. Discipline will be key to the championship game, there's no greater revenge than the scoreboard at the end of the match.
It was a clear orchestrated campaign now?
Ok, I'm out of here. Get yourselves some violins lads. ;D
Quote from: mackers on March 30, 2022, 02:35:35 PM
There clearly was an orchestrated campaign by the Donegal players at FT and Armagh fell hook, line and sinker for it. I'm disappointed in our lads for allowing themselves to be suckered into it the way that they did. I don't agree with this constant appealing suspensions. If I was Geezer I would not appeal them and use it as a massive motivating tool for Ballybofey. We have plenty of backup in the squad and a few lads will get their chance now. Discipline will be key to the championship game, there's no greater revenge than the scoreboard at the end of the match.
I wasn't at the match so I can't comment but if as you suggest there was an orchestrated campaign then Donegal should be sanctioned. The problem is that it is very hard to prove that it was orchestrated. Murphy and McGee are probably the 2 most experienced Donegal players and they were allegedly the two players who kicked off the melee on different parts of the field upon the full time whistle.
What we do know however, is that those were the only players suspended on the basis of the referees match report. We don't know if the GAA will carry out their own further investigation into the incident and what exactly kicked it off.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 02:46:48 PM
I wasn't at the match so I can't comment but if as you suggest there was an orchestrated campaign then Donegal should be sanctioned. The problem is that it is very hard to prove that it was orchestrated. Murphy and McGee are probably the 2 most experienced Donegal players and they were allegedly the two players who kicked off the melee on different parts of the field upon the full time whistle.
What we do know however, is that those were the only players suspended on the basis of the referees match report. We don't know if the GAA will carry out their own further investigation into the incident and what exactly kicked it off.
There's no chance of proving it. My point is Geezer and the players can turn this into a positive. It's great that these top teams are now worried about us. J70 I witnessed with my own eyes McMenamin and Murphy making a bee line for Grugan at the full time whistle. As soon as Rian O'Neill and Grugan came onto the field at HT the off the ball shite started in what had been a sporting contest until then. Rian has a reputation that the Donegal players wanted to test. McGee's cameo role whilst on as a temporary sub was funny if it wasn't so serious. Aidan Nugent went to shake McFadden-Farry's hand at the FT whistle and he refused and started the arseholing about match. I have said that our players should not have reacted in the way that they did and I would not be appealing any punishment for neck-rolling striking etc..
You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
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You are looking for evidence, so if you are not at the match and no clip of your fav players all good as far as you are concerned. ::) Even the video evidence is subjective you could choose other players and make a case for those named. As previously mentioned if the 7 officials helped each other and called out off the ball stuff we may start to concentrate on football.
Yes, I'm looking for evidence. Either from the referee (with the aid of his assistants) or from video footage.
I'm not clear on what you're looking for.
Officials to do their job,
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 08:48:41 AM
Because it is all the off the ball stuff that starts all this shite, and the umpires and linemen are not fit for purpose. Aidian Nugent and Andy Murnin were being mauled, dragged, kicked and abused for about 5 minutes whilst play was at the other end of the field, no surprise the number 4 was involved, Nugent went to the umpires to complain and he waved him away, is it anyone wonder players get frustrated, you basically have a semi trained ref, a few semi trained linesmen and the refs 4 mates - what could go wrong!
Players have been getting mauled, pulled, dragged and abused in all provinces, but especially Ulster, for years. Your own boys were no slouches at it back in their heyday and dished out plenty to Donegal teams over the years. Yeah, it would be great if referees and umpires and the overall surveillance of the game was better, but that's for another day and of absolutely no use to us in this case.
How far are you going go back - I was talking about Sunday's game.
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You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
It must be terrible going out every second weekend and seen there team getting beat up and them to timid to defend themselves.
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You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
It must be terrible going out every second weekend and seen there team getting beat up and them to timid to defend themselves.
London and Carlow would rather just get the game over so they could get home to the tae.
So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Quote from: Armagh Girl on March 30, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Other counties this year have been involved in similar this league - it's the inconsistency that is the issue and weak officials during the game.
Quote from: Armagh Girl on March 30, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.
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So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.
Without wanting to signal anyone out maybe some Donegal players got lucky in that their bibs covered their squad numbers and the referee couldn't identify them. On the other hand if the referee includes that in his report and CCCC look at video there could be a few more players in trouble.
Only 5 between the two teams suggests to me that they only went after the ones they had completely dead-to-rights so that no-one gets off on appeal.
If they really wanted to throw the book at the teams, they could easily have charged a whole raft of others based on what I saw.
Armagh and Donegal can probably consider themselves fairly fortunate.
Quote from: twohands!!! on March 30, 2022, 04:09:31 PM
Only 5 between the two teams suggests to me that they only went after the ones they had completely dead-to-rights so that no-one gets off on appeal.
If they really wanted to throw the book at the teams, they could easily have charged a whole raft of others based on what I saw.
Armagh and Donegal can probably consider themselves fairly fortunate.
Hard to argue against, some very lucky boys indeed.
Well, the inconsistency is the problem.....as you all well know, if you are a Team North of the Border, there is no chance the GAA Hierarchy or the Southern Media will forget to mention on every news outlet available that there was a melee. But if it happens in Kerry or Dublin, it is only handbags, nothing to see here and not mentioned! Well we'll just watch and see what happens throughout the championship when other Teams are involved.
Days like Sunday happen when neighboring Ulster Teams go at it hell for leather and the adrenaline is still pumping even when the game is over. In the past few weeks Armagh have played Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal where there is fierce rivalry from all of those counties, with each other, and for which i am glad there is, as it brings to the atmosphere of the game. Much rather have that than watch Kerry, Dublin, or Mayo beat other counties within their province by a cricket score, So roll on 24th April Armagh Abu!
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 01:28:02 PM
If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
He did it in front of the whole bank and the linesman saw it
So I guess the linesman chose to be blind in this instance
I doubt if we have heard the end of this. I'd say geezer will be trawling the county now in search of a Logan/Brolly type figure.
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So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.
Without wanting to signal anyone out maybe some Donegal players got lucky in that their bibs covered their squad numbers and the referee couldn't identify them. On the other hand if the referee includes that in his report and CCCC look at video there could be a few more players in trouble.
I was at the match. I hope the CCCC issue further suspensions because the ones proposed weigh in Donegal's favour. The behaviour from the corner back was disgraceful. Losing teams generally don't goad.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 30, 2022, 04:22:00 PM
I doubt if we have heard the end of this. I'd say geezer will be trawling the county now in search of a Logan/Brolly type figure.
He needs BCB on his backroom team!
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
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So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.
Without wanting to signal anyone out maybe some Donegal players got lucky in that their bibs covered their squad numbers and the referee couldn't identify them. On the other hand if the referee includes that in his report and CCCC look at video there could be a few more players in trouble.
I was at the match. I hope the CCCC issue further suspensions because the ones proposed weigh in Donegal's favour. The behaviour from the corner back was disgraceful. Losing teams generally don't goad.
I would say there is little to no chance that the CCCC issue further suspensions.
The GAA's attitude to discipline is still massively forgiving in terms of having players take responsibility for their actions, especially foul play.
This was a melee with probably 50 individuals involved after the final whistle was gone.
5 players getting 5 one match bans is an incredibly soft level of punishment and does little/close to nothing to dissuade other teams/players from getting involved in melees in the future.
If the GAA wanted to get rid of melees then all they would need to do is add a rule than anyone taking any active part (no matter how minor) in a melee would get an automatic one game ban.
Any other behaviour - striking, attempting to strike, putting a player in a headlock during a melee should be treated separately so that a player who did anything more than the bare minimum in a melee would miss at least two games.
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So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.
I think you have to separate the footage you have seen from the totality of what happened. The officials stood back watched which they seem to be under instruction to do and I think it's a wise strategy.
Just because we can't identify guilt on the footage doesn't mean something didn't happen that the officials saw. Likewise those who started the whole thing off are unlikely to have been caught be officials and will likely escape punishment
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game. And of course management are going to try and appeal bans - it would be stupid not to unless it was crystal clear.
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game.
He said it on the Sunday game I think it was and I agreed with him. Most of tyrones red cards were justified and I had hoped that tyrone wouldn't appeal it but unfortunately they tried to.
Oisin is a very good pundit and is usually fair enough to be honest hopefully he will come out now that the players have been identified. As someone else has said this is like gold dust for Armagh in terms of creating a team bond. They should be well up for the rematch
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game.
He said it on the Sunday game I think it was and I agreed with him. Most of tyrones red cards were justified and I had hoped that tyrone wouldn't appeal it but unfortunately they tried to.
Oisin is a very good pundit and is usually fair enough to be honest hopefully he will come out now that the players have been identified. As someone else has said this is like gold dust for Armagh in terms of creating a team bond. They should be well up for the rematch
Do people actually think that Armagh wouldn't have been up for the match in the first instance. Their whole season centres mostly around this game so I don't know how people are trying to spin this into a positive for Armagh.
Lets be honest, Donegal are the big winners here. I'd much prefer to have the 3 players available.
Some amount of whinging, and I was led to believe the Tyrone ones were bad.
How did Rían O'Neill manage to avoid a ban after throwing punches?
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Some amount of whinging, and I was led to believe the Tyrone ones were bad.
How did Rían O'Neill manage to avoid a ban after throwing punches?
Did you see him throwing punches? You should post them here. As for the whinging Kerry Dublin not a word Tyrone Armagh and Armagh Donegal all over mainstream media you would think there is some sort of bias.
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Do people actually think that Armagh wouldn't have been up for the match in the first instance. Their whole season centres mostly around this game so I don't know how people are trying to spin this into a positive for Armagh.
Lets be honest, Donegal are the big winners here. I'd much prefer to have the 3 players available.
Yeah - I would say if this makes a whit of difference to Armagh's (or Donegal's) motivation it would be a bad sign of either team.
The thing is whoever is ref for this game is not going to give any player the next day any sort of benefit of the doubt whatsoever in terms of frees/yellow cards/black cards/red cards the next day.
They will be well aware of what went on in this game and will not be willing to risk things getting out of hand.
They will likely be ultra-quick on the whistle in terms of the tackle and I would expect a lot of scores from frees.
I think this is likely to favour Donegal a bit more than Armagh especially given Armagh's approach to the tackle under McGeeney.
No doubt number 4 will get away with his off the ball antics though.
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game.
He said it on the Sunday game I think it was and I agreed with him. Most of tyrones red cards were justified and I had hoped that tyrone wouldn't appeal it but unfortunately they tried to.
Oisin is a very good pundit and is usually fair enough to be honest hopefully he will come out now that the players have been identified. As someone else has said this is like gold dust for Armagh in terms of creating a team bond. They should be well up for the rematch
Do people actually think that Armagh wouldn't have been up for the match in the first instance. Their whole season centres mostly around this game so I don't know how people are trying to spin this into a positive for Armagh.
Lets be honest, Donegal are the big winners here. I'd much prefer to have the 3 players available.
I expect Donegal to have the upper hand. I watched one or two of the dubious frees they got against Tyrone. Their player literally threw themselves off their feet into the legs of Burns and Burns ended up getting a yellow card.
We were lucky in some respects if this is the end of it. We played our part in the melee and with that comes punishment, nobody likes it but it was coming. I am not sure what Nugent or Campbell did based on TV coverage.
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game.
He said it on the Sunday game I think it was and I agreed with him. Most of tyrones red cards were justified and I had hoped that tyrone wouldn't appeal it but unfortunately they tried to.
Oisin is a very good pundit and is usually fair enough to be honest hopefully he will come out now that the players have been identified. As someone else has said this is like gold dust for Armagh in terms of creating a team bond. They should be well up for the rematch
Do people actually think that Armagh wouldn't have been up for the match in the first instance. Their whole season centres mostly around this game so I don't know how people are trying to spin this into a positive for Armagh.
Lets be honest, Donegal are the big winners here. I'd much prefer to have the 3 players available.
Ah of course there would be up for the match but they will feel hard done by which will help them go the extra mile. Tyrone have used this in the past so it does work lol
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Odhran McFadden-Ferry and McGee for Donegal
Campbell, Nugent and Mackin for Armagh
Big advantage to Donegal then. McGee is finished whilst Armagh have lost one of their best forwards, their joint captain and a midfielder. Donegal will be smiling.
Donegal kicked the skirmish off and got away with a one player ban - they will be looking to an Ulster Final laughing - Armagh have to learn to be as cynical as others.
Still fancy armagh in this one
If Oisin and turbitt fit which I anticipate they will
We will be fine ( turbitt broke hand against Mayo and Oisin has Achilles )
Nugent is the one hard done by because he was targeted
But if he struck so be it
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game.
He said it on the Sunday game I think it was and I agreed with him. Most of tyrones red cards were justified and I had hoped that tyrone wouldn't appeal it but unfortunately they tried to.
Oisin is a very good pundit and is usually fair enough to be honest hopefully he will come out now that the players have been identified. As someone else has said this is like gold dust for Armagh in terms of creating a team bond. They should be well up for the rematch
I think I said before.
It is highly unlikely Oisin will say anything about it this week. He is part of Armagh under 20 management team who play Donegal in Ballybofey this Friday. He won't want to add any spice.
In the BBC podcast interview with Sam Mulroy he did quip he didn't think Armagh and Donegal liked each other. Think that is as far as he will go.
Good interview Oisin and Niblock had with Mulroy by the way.
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
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If Murphy struck on the full time whistle and there is no video evidence available, then I'm afraid that he will not be suspended. It doesn't mean that he is innocent, just that he didn't get caught.
Presumably both teams will have videoed the match along with the actual TV footage but neither side are going to release footage incriminating their own players. Obviously the GAA have access to a lot more footage than we have seen publicly, otherwise I'm not sure how they could suspend the 3 Armagh lads who supposedly have received bans.
Either way there will appeals and counter appeals as this rumbles on for weeks.
As oisin said after the tyrone game, there shouldn't be any appeals. Tyrone should just take their medicine. Funny I haven't heard him say it this time.
Where was he interviewed?
Does he have to be interviewed to give his opinion? Isn't that what social media is for. He was passionate about the gaa drawing a line in the sand and saying enough is enough and that tyrone shouldn't appeal decisions. Well shoe is on the other foot now so if he was sincere come out and tell armagh to suck it up.
Same as kieran. Was having a dig at tyrone saying fergal will be sticking in an appeal then he has the cheek to appeal the single red card they got.
If he did say that (I dunno) then perhaps he should heed his own advice. Regardless, pundits are always going to be biased towards their own county. Armagh are no different and Tyrone are no different - its the nature of the game.
He said it on the Sunday game I think it was and I agreed with him. Most of tyrones red cards were justified and I had hoped that tyrone wouldn't appeal it but unfortunately they tried to.
Oisin is a very good pundit and is usually fair enough to be honest hopefully he will come out now that the players have been identified. As someone else has said this is like gold dust for Armagh in terms of creating a team bond. They should be well up for the rematch
Do people actually think that Armagh wouldn't have been up for the match in the first instance. Their whole season centres mostly around this game so I don't know how people are trying to spin this into a positive for Armagh.
Lets be honest, Donegal are the big winners here. I'd much prefer to have the 3 players available.
Ah of course there would be up for the match but they will feel hard done by which will help them go the extra mile. Tyrone have used this in the past so it does work lol
Exactly. I can't imagine that the Ulster final replay didn't feature in the chat amongst the Tyrone players and management in the lead up to the AI semifinal in 2005.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
::) Their players are ill-disciplined and deserve these punishments. The fans should be more upset at their players than anything else.
It's no surprise at all to me that they are constantly involved in incidents like this. This type of muck goes all the way back to their early 2000s teams.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 30, 2022, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
::) Their players are ill-disciplined and deserve these punishments. The fans should be more upset at their players than anything else.
It's no surprise at all to me that they are constantly involved in incidents like this. This type of muck goes all the way back to their early 2000s teams.
Shouldn't you be in the division 2 thread? And it's a bit rich a dub talking about the I'll discipline of other teams players
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 30, 2022, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
::) Their players are ill-disciplined and deserve these punishments. The fans should be more upset at their players than anything else.
It's no surprise at all to me that they are constantly involved in incidents like this. This type of muck goes all the way back to their early 2000s teams.
Would you go away and scratch yourself!
There is no doubt that the players are at fault and I'd say that the three Armagh players sanctioned are feeling pretty stupid right now.
You're implying that this is a systemic problem in Armagh football. It's a systemic issue in the GAA, but at this rate of going, it won't be an issue for much longer - among Ulster teams at least. Players will learn to walk away rather than risk suspension.
I imagine the Armagh/Donegal lads will have been done for something very general, like contributing to a melee. If that is the case, then I'd like to see similar suspensions doled out to every county in Ireland and not just Ulster teams for contributing to a melee (Kerry/Dublin anyone?). I'm sure there were plenty of other melees across the four divisions this year.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 30, 2022, 06:49:27 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
You'd have to feel sorry for the Armagh supporters
::) Their players are ill-disciplined and deserve these punishments. The fans should be more upset at their players than anything else.
It's no surprise at all to me that they are constantly involved in incidents like this. This type of muck goes all the way back to their early 2000s teams.
A bit rich coming from a Dub with the behavior his own players and supporters over the years. :D
As usual supporters can't handle suspension, every time it's some else fault, personally I thought there no reasons for subs and backroom staff to he involved in this, and hardly any supsended. The Donegal sub goalkeeper, he was continous in tussles. So in short absolutely nothing fired out to stop the same happening again. Pathetic.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
As usual supporters can't handle suspension, every time it's some else fault, personally I thought there no reasons for subs and backroom staff to he involved in this, and hardly any supsended. The Donegal sub goalkeeper, he was continous in tussles. So in short absolutely nothing fired out to stop the same happening again. Pathetic.
Glad someone picked up on it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
As usual supporters can't handle suspension, every time it's some else fault, personally I thought there no reasons for subs and backroom staff to he involved in this, and hardly any supsended. The Donegal sub goalkeeper, he was continous in tussles. So in short absolutely nothing fired out to stop the same happening again. Pathetic.
I was wondering about Lynch (the keeper) myself.
Maybe those singled out were more violent or were judged to have done more to escalate things or something.
On the lack of deterrance, maybe these lads missing such a big game MIGHT make players think twice, but I agree it needs to be more severe. Hit the teams as a whole.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 30, 2022, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
As should O'Neill be. If he avoids it after that punch the whole thing is a farce.
I've watched it back a few times and the only thing remotely like a punch is a slight movement with the left hand. Looked like more of a shove to me than a punch. Surprise surprise Donegal target the best or second best player in the
country to get him banned....
You spelt county wrong.
Can ye start an 'Ulster Infighting' thread and continue your pulling and dragging there instead?
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2022, 08:54:08 PM
Can ye start an 'Ulster Infighting' thread and continue your pulling and dragging there instead?
It is getting a bit boring. Anyone want to start the Donegal vs Armagh USFC 24/04/22 topic? ;D
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2022, 08:54:08 PM
Can ye start an 'Ulster Infighting' thread and continue your pulling and dragging there instead?
;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
As usual supporters can't handle suspension, every time it's some else fault, personally I thought there no reasons for subs and backroom staff to he involved in this, and hardly any supsended. The Donegal sub goalkeeper, he was continous in tussles. So in short absolutely nothing fired out to stop the same happening again. Pathetic.
Nobody to blame but themselves. Even if someone else starts you have a choice. Walk away or get involved. We chose it get involved and now will be missing three players
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2022, 08:54:08 PM
Can ye start an 'Ulster Infighting' thread and continue your pulling and dragging there instead?
Apologies chief theres that many Ulster teams in D1 these days it's like a mini Ulster Championship at times.
Quote from: KickPass on March 30, 2022, 08:37:35 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on March 30, 2022, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 30, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 30, 2022, 12:14:00 PM
Where are you hearing that lads?
Any names?
Campbell
Forker
Ciaran Makin from Armagh I've heard
heard Nugent instead of Forker. From speaking to one that were at the game Murphy 100% should be gone.
As should O'Neill be. If he avoids it after that punch the whole thing is a farce.
I've watched it back a few times and the only thing remotely like a punch is a slight movement with the left hand. Looked like more of a shove to me than a punch. Surprise surprise Donegal target the best or second best player in the
country to get him banned....
You spelt county wrong.
Lol ok!
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 30, 2022, 09:10:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 30, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
As usual supporters can't handle suspension, every time it's some else fault, personally I thought there no reasons for subs and backroom staff to he involved in this, and hardly any supsended. The Donegal sub goalkeeper, he was continous in tussles. So in short absolutely nothing fired out to stop the same happening again. Pathetic.
Nobody to blame but themselves. Even if someone else starts you have a choice. Walk away or get involved. We chose it get involved and now will be missing three players
Exactly, if the Armagh players had just walked away and a load of Donegal ones had gathered around, who would have come out better of this?
The Armagh players were down this road already with the Tyrone game. They saw the consequences - cameras everywhere, criticised from every corner, suspensions inevitable - just a load of hassle distracting from the teams progress. Why they then went and did it all again in Donegal is literally inexplicable. It's embarrassingly naive or stupid.
Quote from: Sportacus on March 30, 2022, 09:33:58 PM
The Armagh players were down this road already with the Tyrone game. They saw the consequences - cameras everywhere, criticised from every corner, suspensions inevitable - just a load of hassle distracting from the teams progress. Why they then went and did it all again in Donegal is literally inexplicable. It's embarrassingly naive or stupid.
But they aren't being suspended on the basis of video evidence. They are being suspended on the basis of the referees report according to the Irish Times. A referee who apparently saw 5 players commit sending off offences but showed zero red cards at the time.
Quote from: Sportacus on March 30, 2022, 09:33:58 PM
The Armagh players were down this road already with the Tyrone game. They saw the consequences - cameras everywhere, criticised from every corner, suspensions inevitable - just a load of hassle distracting from the teams progress. Why they then went and did it all again in Donegal is literally inexplicable. It's embarrassingly naive or stupid.
They didn't start it at the Tyrone game and have you seen evidence of Armagh starting it this time? They were certainly involved but who started it nobody knows other than those watching in front of it all.
Quote from: Sportacus on March 30, 2022, 09:33:58 PM
The Armagh players were down this road already with the Tyrone game. They saw the consequences - cameras everywhere, criticised from every corner, suspensions inevitable - just a load of hassle distracting from the teams progress. Why they then went and did it all again in Donegal is literally inexplicable. It's embarrassingly naive or stupid.
So only Armagh should be embarrassed, did you see all the off the ball stuff, the ineptitude of officials to act the lying down feigning head injuries when Armagh were on the attack, Armagh might be a lot of things to other counties an embarrassment for being provoked and cheated and offered nothing from inept officials they certainly are not.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2022, 08:54:08 PM
Can ye start an 'Ulster Infighting' thread and continue your pulling and dragging there instead?
Mayo just like the feigning injuries, less risk and good way to get the play stopped and opposition carded for nothing.
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 30, 2022, 09:33:58 PM
The Armagh players were down this road already with the Tyrone game. They saw the consequences - cameras everywhere, criticised from every corner, suspensions inevitable - just a load of hassle distracting from the teams progress. Why they then went and did it all again in Donegal is literally inexplicable. It's embarrassingly naive or stupid.
So only Armagh should be embarrassed, did you see all the off the ball stuff, the ineptitude of officials to act the lying down feigning head injuries when Armagh were on the attack, Armagh might be a lot of things to other counties an embarrassment for being provoked and cheated and offered nothing from inept officials they certainly are not.
If it was Donegal that initiated it, it is our fault for falling for it. Nobody else to blame. We played our part in it and there is no excusing that. I don't particularly like "Armagh have a history of this" so that means we instantly have to shoulder the blame especially as there is no evidence to suggest this.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 30, 2022, 10:05:45 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 09:57:50 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on March 30, 2022, 09:33:58 PM
The Armagh players were down this road already with the Tyrone game. They saw the consequences - cameras everywhere, criticised from every corner, suspensions inevitable - just a load of hassle distracting from the teams progress. Why they then went and did it all again in Donegal is literally inexplicable. It's embarrassingly naive or stupid.
So only Armagh should be embarrassed, did you see all the off the ball stuff, the ineptitude of officials to act the lying down feigning head injuries when Armagh were on the attack, Armagh might be a lot of things to other counties an embarrassment for being provoked and cheated and offered nothing from inept officials they certainly are not.
If it was Donegal that initiated it, it is our fault for falling for it. Nobody else to blame. We played our part in it and there is no excusing that. I don't particularly like "Armagh have a history of this" so that means we instantly have to shoulder the blame especially as there is no evidence to suggest this.
4 and 7 were at Armagh constantly Armagh were offered no protection, I am glad they stand up for themselves, this turn the other cheek crap only benefits the aggressor.
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 04:27:57 PM
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Quote from: Armagh Girl on March 30, 2022, 03:43:00 PM
So 3 for Armagh and 2 for Donegal.........don't know how they picked Soupy out of all that was happening in real time, and why only 2 for Donegal......??. But, we were involved and need to take the punishment and move on, although it is hard to comprehend how out of all that happened, Michael Murphy did not get banned given he started it just at then end of normal time where the Linesman was right beside him! Time now for Armagh to focus on the game and hopefully this will drive them on!
Yeah Soupy seems unfortunate and its a bit bizarre that only two from Donegal. Probably little chance of being successful with any appeal as HQ are looking to clamp down on melees this year.
Without wanting to signal anyone out maybe some Donegal players got lucky in that their bibs covered their squad numbers and the referee couldn't identify them. On the other hand if the referee includes that in his report and CCCC look at video there could be a few more players in trouble.
I was at the match. I hope the CCCC issue further suspensions because the ones proposed weigh in Donegal's favour. The behaviour from the corner back was disgraceful. Losing teams generally don't goad.
I was a neural at this game and agree completely with the above, McFadden ferry's behavior was disgraceful and to goad an opposition player after winning the game is very poor form. He was definitely the instigator of that particular melee and deserves a suspension. The photo on front page of the Irish news captured his behaviour perfectly.
McGee does fancy himself as some kind of enforcer, as do the donegal supporters judging by the ovation he got after his cameo during the game.
There was no orchestration. Incidents like that just happen and the any talk of a conspiracy is just paranoia.
Murphy still the spiritual and physical leader of donegal, his body has taken some abuse over the years. Full forward is the spot for him now I think. Very hard to mark in there if the ball in is good.
Mcbrearty is a great player too but carrying timber which was surprising for the time of year.
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Who is the scorer in chief you lost?
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/)
"It's certainly a marker being laid down by the powers that be to say 'here, cut the crap or you'll miss big championship games'.
Shame the power that be only look at Ulster Northern Teams, Kerry and Dublin are untouchable and always have been.
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Nugent was our scorer in chief the other day with about 1-6. Theres no doubt he's a huge huge loss, as is Soupy's impact off the bench he'll always get a couple of scores and probably set up a couple more. Mackin has been our player of the league and is a huge loss too.
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 10:03:36 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 30, 2022, 08:54:08 PM
Can ye start an 'Ulster Infighting' thread and continue your pulling and dragging there instead?
Mayo just like the feigning injuries, less risk and good way to get the play stopped and opposition carded for nothing.
is that why both kerry and tyrone stopped every free kick mayo tried and though ball was brought forward on at least 5 occasions v tyrone and not one card for it.
Inthe early rounds of the league it was obvious mayo put a lot of Work into Quick frees but of course Cute hors notice that too and decide to put a stop to it knowing the refs would let them.
And as for Injuries Mayo have 7 probable starters out injured at the moment so no need for feigning .
O connor, x2, b walsh, harrison, conroy , hennelly, darren Mchale. with that eoghan Mc lauglin not actually back yet and jason Doherty you feel is held together with Tape.
its a miracle They are in Contention at all
Armagh's three suspensions will definitely have an impact, the panel's strength in depth is going to be tested now, but I think the players are there to cover the losses. If Armagh get the win in Ballybofey, will be the making of them for a tilt at the Ulster Final ...''if' .. bring on April 24th.
Armaghs 3 suspensions will hurt much more than Donegals. 3 players who have had a lot of impact in the NFL versus a Donegal panelist veteran and a corner back. It doesn't seem even handed even though the melee was 50/50 at best and from what I could see it was instigated by Donegal.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Nugent was our scorer in chief the other day with about 1-6. Theres no doubt he's a huge huge loss, as is Soupy's impact off the bench he'll always get a couple of scores and probably set up a couple more. Mackin has been our player of the league and is a huge loss too.
Nugent scored more the other day than he probably did in the whole league. Its not a consistent return, had a bit of fortune as the early yellow meant he was told to stay in as opposed to tracking back every time they lost possession.
Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2022, 08:34:49 AM
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Who is the scorer in chief you lost?
So if Nugent is score in chief is Campbell the vice captain?
Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2022, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2022, 08:34:49 AM
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Who is the scorer in chief you lost?
So if Nugent is score in chief is Campbell the vice captain?
No. Try again
Quote from: nrico2006 on March 31, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 31, 2022, 08:44:07 AM
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Nugent was our scorer in chief the other day with about 1-6. Theres no doubt he's a huge huge loss, as is Soupy's impact off the bench he'll always get a couple of scores and probably set up a couple more. Mackin has been our player of the league and is a huge loss too.
Nugent scored more the other day than he probably did in the whole league. Its not a consistent return, had a bit of fortune as the early yellow meant he was told to stay in as opposed to tracking back every time they lost possession.
In fairness he was class against Dublin and Tyrone and then missed a few games as far as I remember, wouldn't have the consistency of O'Neill to get scores but definitely can do it. Huge huge loss either way.
Quote from: LCohen on March 31, 2022, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2022, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Taylor on March 31, 2022, 08:34:49 AM
Quote from: Ronnie on March 30, 2022, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 30, 2022, 06:34:10 PM
I'm very confused by the suspensions. If the referee felt that the five players who have been issued with suspensions contributed to a melee why did he not red card them at the time? I'd also like to know when he wrote his report and whether he spoke to anyone other than a match official or heard any coverage of the match before writing his report. To me it makes little sense. I wonder too will the CCCC get involved for anyone missed by the officials.
I understand the point your making in terms of the independence of the referee's report but all the match officials are volunteers, are always open to ear-twisting and have to be trusted to do their jobs as honestly as possible. My issue is that Donegal were the clear instigators which some of the officials clearly saw and yet Armagh will lose their vice-captain, scorer-in-chief and main mid-fielder whilst Donegal lose 2 mischief makers.
Who is the scorer in chief you lost?
So if Nugent is score in chief is Campbell the vice captain?
No. Try again
I'll give a clue re: one of the deliberate errors. There is no vc
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 05:08:03 PM
Some amount of whinging, and I was led to believe the Tyrone ones were bad.
How did Rían O'Neill manage to avoid a ban after throwing punches?
Did you see him throwing punches? You should post them here. As for the whinging Kerry Dublin not a word Tyrone Armagh and Armagh Donegal all over mainstream media you would think there is some sort of bias.
Have you not seen the footage?
Nugent is the joint captain.
Quote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 05:08:03 PM
Some amount of whinging, and I was led to believe the Tyrone ones were bad.
How did Rían O'Neill manage to avoid a ban after throwing punches?
Did you see him throwing punches? You should post them here. As for the whinging Kerry Dublin not a word Tyrone Armagh and Armagh Donegal all over mainstream media you would think there is some sort of bias.
Have you not seen the footage?
Wouldnt call that a punch tbh unless you've seen different footage to me
Quote from: greatpoint on March 31, 2022, 03:06:12 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 30, 2022, 05:12:14 PM
Quote from: greatpoint on March 30, 2022, 05:08:03 PM
Some amount of whinging, and I was led to believe the Tyrone ones were bad.
How did Rían O'Neill manage to avoid a ban after throwing punches?
Did you see him throwing punches? You should post them here. As for the whinging Kerry Dublin not a word Tyrone Armagh and Armagh Donegal all over mainstream media you would think there is some sort of bias.
Have you not seen the footage?
Let's say no so show me the punches.
Quote from: Average Score on March 31, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/)
"It's certainly a marker being laid down by the powers that be to say 'here, cut the crap or you'll miss big championship games'.
Shame the power that be only look at Ulster Northern Teams, Kerry and Dublin are untouchable and always have been.
If Dublin had been involved in TWO separate brawls during a single league campaign like Armagh have been, there would be uproar and outrage from all corners. It's actually incredible to me that more is not being made of the fact that Armagh are repeat offenders here.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 31, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 31, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/)
"It's certainly a marker being laid down by the powers that be to say 'here, cut the crap or you'll miss big championship games'.
Shame the power that be only look at Ulster Northern Teams, Kerry and Dublin are untouchable and always have been.
If Dublin had been involved in TWO separate brawls during a single league campaign like Armagh have been, there would be uproar and outrage from all corners. It's actually incredible to me that more is not being made of the fact that Armagh are repeat offenders here.
Crazy the amount of lads running about with broken noses and black eyes after these "brawls" dry yer eyes!
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 31, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 31, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/)
"It's certainly a marker being laid down by the powers that be to say 'here, cut the crap or you'll miss big championship games'.
Shame the power that be only look at Ulster Northern Teams, Kerry and Dublin are untouchable and always have been.
If Dublin had been involved in TWO separate brawls during a single league campaign like Armagh have been, there would be uproar and outrage from all corners. It's actually incredible to me that more is not being made of the fact that Armagh are repeat offenders here.
You will be pleased to hear then that Armagh and Dublin played out a challenge match last night and there wasn't a brawl in sight. Think it was mostly squad members and Dublin won by a couple of points.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 31, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 31, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/)
"It's certainly a marker being laid down by the powers that be to say 'here, cut the crap or you'll miss big championship games'.
Shame the power that be only look at Ulster Northern Teams, Kerry and Dublin are untouchable and always have been.
If Dublin had been involved in TWO separate brawls during a single league campaign like Armagh have been, there would be uproar and outrage from all corners. It's actually incredible to me that more is not being made of the fact that Armagh are repeat offenders here.
Care to list the suspensions after the Kerry game.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on March 31, 2022, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: Average Score on March 31, 2022, 08:43:20 AM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/ (https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2022/03/31/news/bans-hurt-armagh-more-than-donegal-devenney-2629484/)
"It's certainly a marker being laid down by the powers that be to say 'here, cut the crap or you'll miss big championship games'.
Shame the power that be only look at Ulster Northern Teams, Kerry and Dublin are untouchable and always have been.
If Dublin had been involved in TWO separate brawls during a single league campaign like Armagh have been, there would be uproar and outrage from all corners. It's actually incredible to me that more is not being made of the fact that Armagh are repeat offenders here.
You still here?
Jesus I really liked watching Armagh over the course of the league, but ye are the greatest shower of whingers I've come across. And we have the Rossies for neighbours, so that's saying something.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 31, 2022, 06:56:10 PM
Jesus I really liked watching Armagh over the course of the league, but ye are the greatest shower of whingers I've come across. And we have the Rossies for neighbours, so that's saying something.
I would rather the talk about the melee just ended. It has happened, time has passed, accept punishments and get on with it. Armagh fans blame Donegal ones and Donegal ones will blame Armagh but there is no video evidence to suggest who started it. During the melee both sides shoulder the blame and whilst Armagh might have been punished a lot harsher than Donegal it doesn't always go the way you want. We have a game in a few weeks against them, we still have our key players whilst the others undoubtedly make an impact we have even better players returning.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 31, 2022, 06:56:10 PM
Jesus I really liked watching Armagh over the course of the league, but ye are the greatest shower of whingers I've come across. And we have the Rossies for neighbours, so that's saying something.
Maybe we should ask a few posters to pretend they are Kerry posters so there can be more talk about league final ? ;D
Armagh was always my favourite team outside of my own county, but if I keep reading this crap, it soon change.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2022, 09:43:20 PM
Armagh was always my favourite team outside of my own county, but if I keep reading this crap, it soon change.
I am sure all of Armagh will give a f**k.
Quote from: Average Score on March 31, 2022, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2022, 09:43:20 PM
Armagh was always my favourite team outside of my own county, but if I keep reading this crap, it soon change.
I am sure all of Armagh will give a f**k.
Come on now, no need to be like that. It is best the melee was put to bed and just look forward to the championship.
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
Quote from: Tubberman on March 31, 2022, 06:56:10 PM
Jesus I really liked watching Armagh over the course of the league, but ye are the greatest shower of whingers I've come across. And we have the Rossies for neighbours, so that's saying something.
In fairness you Mayo supporters aren't lost when it comes to whinging.
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.
That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.
My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2022, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.
That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.
My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.
To be fair, we got away with a huge one ourselves.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2022, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.
That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.
My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.
I wouldn't expect your angle to be any different, but the 'lawyering up' is contributing to the rules being unenforceable rather than being a result of it. If they came out and said a headlock was a red card offence, people would want a headlock defined. IF they defined the headlock, there would be people out with freeze frames and stopclocks measuring the angle of the arm, length of time etc.
What I would love to see, is:
- set up a rules / refereeing clarification group
- they meet to discuss and review how certain rules are being enforced
- issue feedback to referees, and the wider audience, with videos showing why one incident might be different to another.
- Video should highlight where particular incidents were adjudged correctly, or show how they would have liked the outcome.
Need to start looking at the spirit of the rules, and if we all as fans, coaches, players, referees keep getting this kind of clarification then we can see how it should look. Referees will still get decisions wrong, its a fast game on a large field, but at least we will have some idea of what is correct and what is wrong.
FWIW I think a lot of the feelings of unfair treatment from Armagh and Tyrone fans comes from each side winding the other up. The levels of focus on here in particular is due to the constant shitstirring/banter.
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
An interesting take on events, would this just apply to injustices perceived or otherwise on the football field or in life in general?
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
On another note were you at the match - what was your thoughts on how it played out and the context in which the reported incident at the end occurred?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2022, 09:43:20 PM
Armagh was always my favourite team outside of my own county, but if I keep reading this crap, it soon change.
Devastated
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 01, 2022, 08:42:52 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 31, 2022, 09:43:20 PM
Armagh was always my favourite team outside of my own county, but if I keep reading this crap, it soon change.
Devastated
;D ;D
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
How can the world be against Armagh when it's against Tyrone. . . does the world hate both??!
I'm confused!
Quote from: screenexile on April 01, 2022, 09:34:53 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
How can the world be against Armagh when it's against Tyrone. . . does the world hate both??!
I'm confused!
There's a clear bias against Northern teams. Don't think it can be a debate anymore, driven by the likes of that clown Spillane on RTE.
Of course, neither Armagh or Tyrone help themselves by getting into those stupid pushing and shoving matches but by the reaction of some you'd swear there was lads running about bateing each other with baseball bats. As much as it sickens me to say it, part of me was glad to see Tyrone winning last year. (Can't believe I've just wrote that)
Armagh set to appeal bans according to Irish News, if that's the case it then moves from the realms of the Ref's reports TO potential use of video evidence? If that's the case that's a potential can of worms that could very easily backfire, might increase Donegal punishment but it would surely be a Pyrrhic victory as we could worsen our own situation.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 01, 2022, 10:16:43 AM
Armagh set to appeal bans according to Irish News, if that's the case it then moves from the realms of the Ref's reports TO potential use of video evidence? If that's the case that's a potential can of worms that could very easily backfire, might increase Donegal punishment but it would surely be a Pyrrhic victory as we could worsen our own situation.
Dodgy enough as supposedly Jemar and Rian could get banned too according to some. Havent seen any evidence of wrongdoing though.
The idea that disciplinary authorities could sit on evidence but only actual act on it if an entirely different player appeals is crazy. I am assuming that isn't true. If it is true it's shameful.
I don't want spurious appeals. If Armagh are appealing all 3 then I have to admit that one of them is spurious and wrong.
Nor should we prevent genuine appeals. I have no idea what 2 of the armagh players did and if they believe themselves to be innocent they are entitled to test the evidence against them.
Quote from: LCohen on April 01, 2022, 02:04:33 PM
The idea that disciplinary authorities could sit on evidence but only actual act on it if an entirely different player appeals is crazy. I am assuming that isn't true. If it is true it's shameful.
I don't want spurious appeals. If Armagh are appealing all 3 then I have to admit that one of them is spurious and wrong.
Nor should we prevent genuine appeals. I have no idea what 2 of the armagh players did and if they believe themselves to be innocent they are entitled to test the evidence against them.
They seem to be leaving it up to what the ref saw rather that what actually happened. No one (bar Tyrones hoors ;) ) want to see anyone else banned, I'd rather both teams get a go at each other at full strength.
Quote from: Solo_run on March 31, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on March 31, 2022, 06:56:10 PM
Jesus I really liked watching Armagh over the course of the league, but ye are the greatest shower of whingers I've come across. And we have the Rossies for neighbours, so that's saying something.
I would rather the talk about the melee just ended. It has happened, time has passed, accept punishments and get on with it. Armagh fans blame Donegal ones and Donegal ones will blame Armagh but there is no video evidence to suggest who started it. During the melee both sides shoulder the blame and whilst Armagh might have been punished a lot harsher than Donegal it doesn't always go the way you want. We have a game in a few weeks against them, we still have our key players whilst the others undoubtedly make an impact we have even better players returning.
I'm confused on this bit in bold? Why does this matter?
It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 01, 2022, 12:50:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2022, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.
That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.
My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.
I wouldn't expect your angle to be any different, but the 'lawyering up' is contributing to the rules being unenforceable rather than being a result of it. If they came out and said a headlock was a red card offence, people would want a headlock defined. IF they defined the headlock, there would be people out with freeze frames and stopclocks measuring the angle of the arm, length of time etc.
What I would love to see, is:
- set up a rules / refereeing clarification group
- they meet to discuss and review how certain rules are being enforced
- issue feedback to referees, and the wider audience, with videos showing why one incident might be different to another.
- Video should highlight where particular incidents were adjudged correctly, or show how they would have liked the outcome.
Need to start looking at the spirit of the rules, and if we all as fans, coaches, players, referees keep getting this kind of clarification then we can see how it should look. Referees will still get decisions wrong, its a fast game on a large field, but at least we will have some idea of what is correct and what is wrong.
FWIW I think a lot of the feelings of unfair treatment from Armagh and Tyrone fans comes from each side winding the other up. The levels of focus on here in particular is due to the constant shitstirring/banter.
I completely disagree. From a legal perspective I feel the rule book is very poorly written and there's no reason why it should be. There are plenty of people who specialise in properly written robust rule books and are members of the association. Guys like Liam Keane and the arbitrators of the DRA provide invaluable service to the association. Guys like that should be tasked with rewriting the rule book from the ground up.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.
Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.
Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite
Where did I say that, wind your neck in mouthy.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.
Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite
Where did I say that, wind your neck in mouthy.
I agree with Honeyvalley, I mean The greatest, oh i meant Average score. ;D ;D
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 04:49:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.
Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite
Where did I say that, wind your neck in mouthy.
Maybe if we had stronger officials and the players were complaining to the ref... the players complain every second of the game...
Maybe if they'd play the game within the rules and stop joining in when two lads square up we'd have no dopes getting suspended and missing out on the most important game of the year!
Why train all winter?
I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2022, 04:06:58 PM
Quote from: Never beat the deeler on April 01, 2022, 12:50:54 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 01, 2022, 12:10:04 AM
Quote from: onefaircounty on March 31, 2022, 11:36:12 PM
As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.
All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.
Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.
I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.
That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.
My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.
I wouldn't expect your angle to be any different, but the 'lawyering up' is contributing to the rules being unenforceable rather than being a result of it. If they came out and said a headlock was a red card offence, people would want a headlock defined. IF they defined the headlock, there would be people out with freeze frames and stopclocks measuring the angle of the arm, length of time etc.
What I would love to see, is:
- set up a rules / refereeing clarification group
- they meet to discuss and review how certain rules are being enforced
- issue feedback to referees, and the wider audience, with videos showing why one incident might be different to another.
- Video should highlight where particular incidents were adjudged correctly, or show how they would have liked the outcome.
Need to start looking at the spirit of the rules, and if we all as fans, coaches, players, referees keep getting this kind of clarification then we can see how it should look. Referees will still get decisions wrong, its a fast game on a large field, but at least we will have some idea of what is correct and what is wrong.
FWIW I think a lot of the feelings of unfair treatment from Armagh and Tyrone fans comes from each side winding the other up. The levels of focus on here in particular is due to the constant shitstirring/banter.
I completely disagree. From a legal perspective I feel the rule book is very poorly written and there's no reason why it should be. There are plenty of people who specialise in properly written robust rule books and are members of the association. Guys like Liam Keane and the arbitrators of the DRA provide invaluable service to the association. Guys like that should be tasked with rewriting the rule book from the ground up.
Until that time when the rulebook has been rewritten, best just for teams to avoid these melees, exercise some dicipline, don't be bringing the game into ridicule and disrepute and then the public won't have to witness the spectacle of whining, whataboutery and paranoia.
Of course Donegal did accept their punishment.
Yeah best to walk away when being goaded, dragged, slapped, tripped some did during match time straight over to an official who waved them away.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 06:00:40 PM
I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.
What officials are you talking about? You're some dose
What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 04:25:18 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 02:54:04 PM
It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.
Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite
Nothing he said was wrong?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 06:00:40 PM
I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.
What officials are you talking about? You're some dose
The car park attendants, you're making a fool out of yourself now.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 07:54:06 PM
What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.
What did Conor Gormley ever do?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 07:54:06 PM
What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.
Dublin were cute hoors, same as every decent team thats ever won anything!
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 07:24:27 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 06:00:40 PM
I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.
What officials are you talking about? You're some dose
The car park attendants, you're making a fool out of yourself now.
Says the guy with the multiple bans snd different names ;D
Petulance when called out, classy.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 09:41:39 PM
Petulance when called out, classy.
So explain who the car park attendant was that's an official?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 09:41:39 PM
Petulance when called out, classy.
So explain who the car park attendant was that's an official?
Stick to price of a pint you are embarrassing yourself. Maybe you are on the red.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 09:41:39 PM
Petulance when called out, classy.
So explain who the car park attendant was that's an official?
Stick to price of a pint you are embarrassing yourself. Maybe you are on the red.
Ok then explain the official bit please and why were players complaining to the parking attendants, could they not get out?
Ffs get a grip there are 7 officials in a match, go on and take a redner.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 11:02:40 PM
Ffs get a grip there are 7 officials in a match, go on and take a redner.
Really digging a hole for yourself now... so these parking attendants, that are officially officials, that aren't ref's, when the players were complaining to them was it about Donegal one's getting out first?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 11:02:40 PM
Ffs get a grip there are 7 officials in a match, go on and take a redner.
Really digging a hole for yourself now... so these parking attendants, that are officially officials, that aren't ref's, when the players were complaining to them was it about Donegal one's getting out first?
When you read back sober the redner take. Go to bed you need rest son.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 01, 2022, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 11:02:40 PM
Ffs get a grip there are 7 officials in a match, go on and take a redner.
Really digging a hole for yourself now... so these parking attendants, that are officially officials, that aren't ref's, when the players were complaining to them was it about Donegal one's getting out first?
When you read back sober the redner take. Go to bed you need rest son.
Which post/ page would you like me to go back to dad? Cause if I've got it wrong about you complaining about not having strong officials and the parking attendants then I'll take that redner
Are you on the second bottle.
Quote from: Average Score on April 01, 2022, 11:26:56 PM
Are you on the second bottle.
Never. Body's a temple, 10 miler tomorrow
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 01, 2022, 08:55:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 01, 2022, 07:54:06 PM
What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.
What did Conor Gormley ever do?
Both were dark art exponents, especially good at dropping their knees onto opponent's chest when on the deck.