The IRISH RUGBY thread

[seafoid]

Won't get many if any better chances to win the World cup than this. Australia,New Zealand the worst they have been in living memory,England average the defending champions beaten yesterday or be it are still in the competition. 

How many RWC's did NZ win between 1991 and 2007?

[Wildweasel74]

None, but all better teams than now, 95, 99, 07, all way better than this team.

[Rudi]

The last play of the Ireland V SA game, how was a penalty not given against Tadhg Beirne? Also SA got the ball out of the maul / ruck & ref gave a penalty to Ireland. Seems very harsh on SA.

[Nanderson]

The last play of the Ireland V SA game, how was a penalty not given against Tadhg Beirne? Also SA got the ball out of the maul / ruck & ref gave a penalty to Ireland. Seems very harsh on SA.

He didn't give a penalty to Ireland. He gave them a scrum for holding the maul up for long enough.

[Main Street]

The whining from SA about 11 points missed. 2 kicks from inside their own half, one of which hit the post, that lead directly to a 5 pointer. The try had a pass that was 5M forward, but apparently not forward. The lineout 1M apart rule was never policed. SA should have got a penalty towards the end of the game that wasn't given. Cian Healy is a huge loss, as Porter has to play at least 75mins per game, as Kilcoyne is a huge weak link. Bundee playing the rugby of his life.

I was reading the rules on a forward pass and as long as it comes out of the passers hands backwards the momentum of someone running forward can still cause the ball t drift forward. Seems to me like its very hard to ref and tbh they are probably just guessing what way it came out of the passers hands by the speed that they are running at.

Relative velocity. They'll look at the players hands as they release the ball to see if angling forward or backwards.

From the passers hand, the ball landed about 5m forward into the hands of the try scorer. I say draw a line on a paused screen to determine whether it's a forward pass or not, allowing for some discretion, but 5m. is taking the pish.

[seafoid]

Ireland has 4 Grand Slams in over a century . Scotland has 3. England, France and Wales are way ahead. $
Ireland has 25 wooden spoons. Scotland has 18.
Ireland has been in zero RWC semi finals, Scotland 1 ..
In GAA terms, Ireland would be the equivalent of Kildare
#2InjuredSwans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsD9k82uAjo

[Dag Dog]

Ireland has 4 Grand Slams in over a century . Scotland has 3. England, France and Wales are way ahead. $
Ireland has 25 wooden spoons. Scotland has 18.
Ireland has been in zero RWC semi finals, Scotland 1 ..
In GAA terms, Ireland would be the equivalent of Kildare
#2InjuredSwans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsD9k82uAjo

Professional era is a different ball game though. Before that, Ireland were a complete joke shop.

[johnnycool]

Ireland has 4 Grand Slams in over a century . Scotland has 3. England, France and Wales are way ahead. $
Ireland has 25 wooden spoons. Scotland has 18.
Ireland has been in zero RWC semi finals, Scotland 1 ..
In GAA terms, Ireland would be the equivalent of Kildare
#2InjuredSwans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsD9k82uAjo

In the last 10 6N's, Ireland have won 4 of them, is that not more relevant than your stats?

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

[seafoid]

Ireland has 4 Grand Slams in over a century . Scotland has 3. England, France and Wales are way ahead. $
Ireland has 25 wooden spoons. Scotland has 18.
Ireland has been in zero RWC semi finals, Scotland 1 ..
In GAA terms, Ireland would be the equivalent of Kildare
#2InjuredSwans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsD9k82uAjo

In the last 10 6N's, Ireland have won 4 of them, is that not more relevant than your stats?

Lies, damned lies, and statistics

I don't think so. If antrim or Laois got to the hurling final, the excitement level would be off the charts.
But to count they would have to win it.      The hurling  elite very similar to the rugby elite. Same number of teams, same number of top elite teams (3) same gap to second tier, small catchment area (Ireland/globals) .  The losing mentality is psychological and Ireland have never been able to get past the QF because of it. Winning the RWC would be the equivalent of Antrim or Laois winning the hurling by beating a op elite team in the final imo.

For Galway it wasn't enough to win in 1980. They had to beat Kilkenny and Tipp in the final to be respected. Ireland is not respected in France, for example,when it comes to the RWC. The absolute top would be being the first of France and Ireland to win the shaggin trophy.

the progress since Brian O'Driscoll's 3 tries in Paris is amazing but it isn't enough.

[David McKeown]

The whining from SA about 11 points missed. 2 kicks from inside their own half, one of which hit the post, that lead directly to a 5 pointer. The try had a pass that was 5M forward, but apparently not forward. The lineout 1M apart rule was never policed. SA should have got a penalty towards the end of the game that wasn't given. Cian Healy is a huge loss, as Porter has to play at least 75mins per game, as Kilcoyne is a huge weak link. Bundee playing the rugby of his life.

I was reading the rules on a forward pass and as long as it comes out of the passers hands backwards the momentum of someone running forward can still cause the ball t drift forward. Seems to me like its very hard to ref and tbh they are probably just guessing what way it came out of the passers hands by the speed that they are running at.

Was there not a clear issue of crossing on the SA try?

Also I thought the ref blew the final maul too early and then tried to justify it by saying there was also a knock on although I wasnt watching ITV or RTE just some highlights so it may not have been the ref I was listening too.

Could all be for nothing too.  Still need 2 points to guarantee progress and if we don't get at least that there's a very good chance of elimination   

[johnnycool]

The whining from SA about 11 points missed. 2 kicks from inside their own half, one of which hit the post, that lead directly to a 5 pointer. The try had a pass that was 5M forward, but apparently not forward. The lineout 1M apart rule was never policed. SA should have got a penalty towards the end of the game that wasn't given. Cian Healy is a huge loss, as Porter has to play at least 75mins per game, as Kilcoyne is a huge weak link. Bundee playing the rugby of his life.

I was reading the rules on a forward pass and as long as it comes out of the passers hands backwards the momentum of someone running forward can still cause the ball t drift forward. Seems to me like its very hard to ref and tbh they are probably just guessing what way it came out of the passers hands by the speed that they are running at.

Was there not a clear issue of crossing on the SA try?

Also I thought the ref blew the final maul too early and then tried to justify it by saying there was also a knock on although I wasnt watching ITV or RTE just some highlights so it may not have been the ref I was listening too.

Could all be for nothing too.  Still need 2 points to guarantee progress and if we don't get at least that there's a very good chance of elimination   

Exactly this, Scotland have been sticky enough for this Ireland team in the past?

Is there a way for Ireland to lose that game and still be in the top 2, bonus points and all that malarkey?

[David McKeown]

The whining from SA about 11 points missed. 2 kicks from inside their own half, one of which hit the post, that lead directly to a 5 pointer. The try had a pass that was 5M forward, but apparently not forward. The lineout 1M apart rule was never policed. SA should have got a penalty towards the end of the game that wasn't given. Cian Healy is a huge loss, as Porter has to play at least 75mins per game, as Kilcoyne is a huge weak link. Bundee playing the rugby of his life.

I was reading the rules on a forward pass and as long as it comes out of the passers hands backwards the momentum of someone running forward can still cause the ball t drift forward. Seems to me like its very hard to ref and tbh they are probably just guessing what way it came out of the passers hands by the speed that they are running at.

Was there not a clear issue of crossing on the SA try?

Also I thought the ref blew the final maul too early and then tried to justify it by saying there was also a knock on although I wasnt watching ITV or RTE just some highlights so it may not have been the ref I was listening too.

Could all be for nothing too.  Still need 2 points to guarantee progress and if we don't get at least that there's a very good chance of elimination   

Exactly this, Scotland have been sticky enough for this Ireland team in the past?

Is there a way for Ireland to lose that game and still be in the top 2, bonus points and all that malarkey?

Yes if Ireland lose by less than 7 and neither team score 4 tries then Ireland top the group.
If Ireland loose by more than 7 and score more than 4 tries and Scotland don't score 4 tries Ireland top the group.
If Ireland loose by more than 7 and both teams score 4 tries then it will come down to score difference to determine the top places.  If Ireland have the best points differential then Ireland and South Africa are through in that order. If South Africa have the best differential then SA and Scotland are through.  If Scotland top it then Scotland and Ireland are through.

There are plenty of other permutations.

[square_ball]

Lose*

[Cunny Funt]

Think the song is to do with the Warrington bomb where 2 young people died?

Yes it's about the Warrington bomb attack in March 1993 where young children out shopping buying Mother's Day cards were killed by IRA bombs planted cast iron dustbins outside the local Boots,McDonalds and Argos. 


A pity Dolores O'Riordan is no longer with us talented singer and song writer.

"this song is our cry against man's inhumanity to man, inhumanity to child".

I found it very easy to write lyrics when I was younger because I had no inhibitions – they just came pouring out. I find as I get older it's more difficult: you develop fears and you go, 'What will people think of this?' But it's important not to think too much about what people will think, because then you'll never write!

[David McKeown]

Lose*

Thanks I'm heavily dyslexic so I find that really helpful and not at all condescending