British State Collusion

Started by Nally Stand, October 11, 2011, 05:03:20 PM

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Jeepers Creepers

Quote from: Hereiam on February 06, 2024, 09:56:16 PMNot really surprised about this, sad for the victims families.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-68218740

Is the Kenova report ever going to be published??

LC

Quote from: Hereiam on February 06, 2024, 09:56:16 PMNot really surprised about this, sad for the victims families.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-68218740

There will be a lot of people over and above the soldiers / British Government who will be glad to see this brushed under the carpet.


Main Street

Thurs night.  21:35  RTE  Prime Time
Ahead of the fiftieth anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the programme asks why no-one was ever brought to justice

Dublin-Monaghan bomb gang investigator says 'there was collusion'

The officer leading the inquiry into the activities of the loyalist gang suspected of being responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings has said he has no doubt there was collusion between the gang and the British security services.

Sir Iain Livingstone heads up Operation Denton, which is examining allegations relating to the activities of the so-called Glenanne Gang, which was based in County Armagh and Mid-Ulster during the Troubles, including its role in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

Tubberman

Quote from: Main Street on May 16, 2024, 07:59:58 PMThurs night.  21:35  RTE  Prime Time
Ahead of the fiftieth anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the programme asks why no-one was ever brought to justice

Dublin-Monaghan bomb gang investigator says 'there was collusion'

The officer leading the inquiry into the activities of the loyalist gang suspected of being responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings has said he has no doubt there was collusion between the gang and the British security services.

Sir Iain Livingstone heads up Operation Denton, which is examining allegations relating to the activities of the so-called Glenanne Gang, which was based in County Armagh and Mid-Ulster during the Troubles, including its role in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

There's been a lot on the radio over the past few days, but given the scale of the bombings in terms of civilian lives lost, its amazing how little has been said about it over the years.
I was in school in the 80s and 90s and it was a footnote in history class at best - there was certainly no in depth coverage or analysis. 
It seems many people have been unhappy with the Irish state response to it - presumably in terms of pressuring the British government to investigate probable collusion.  Why would the Irish state be reluctant to press the Brits about that though?
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

Main Street

#770
Quote from: Tubberman on May 16, 2024, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 16, 2024, 07:59:58 PMThurs night.  21:35  RTE  Prime Time
Ahead of the fiftieth anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the programme asks why no-one was ever brought to justice

Dublin-Monaghan bomb gang investigator says 'there was collusion'

The officer leading the inquiry into the activities of the loyalist gang suspected of being responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings has said he has no doubt there was collusion between the gang and the British security services.

Sir Iain Livingstone heads up Operation Denton, which is examining allegations relating to the activities of the so-called Glenanne Gang, which was based in County Armagh and Mid-Ulster during the Troubles, including its role in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

There's been a lot on the radio over the past few days, but given the scale of the bombings in terms of civilian lives lost, its amazing how little has been said about it over the years.
I was in school in the 80s and 90s and it was a footnote in history class at best - there was certainly no in depth coverage or analysis. 
It seems many people have been unhappy with the Irish state response to it - presumably in terms of pressuring the British government to investigate probable collusion.  Why would the Irish state be reluctant to press the Brits about that though?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 16, 2024, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 16, 2024, 07:59:58 PMThurs night.  21:35  RTE  Prime Time
Ahead of the fiftieth anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the programme asks why no-one was ever brought to justice

Dublin-Monaghan bomb gang investigator says 'there was collusion'

The officer leading the inquiry into the activities of the loyalist gang suspected of being responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings has said he has no doubt there was collusion between the gang and the British security services.

Sir Iain Livingstone heads up Operation Denton, which is examining allegations relating to the activities of the so-called Glenanne Gang, which was based in County Armagh and Mid-Ulster during the Troubles, including its role in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

There's been a lot on the radio over the past few days, but given the scale of the bombings in terms of civilian lives lost, its amazing how little has been said about it over the years.
I was in school in the 80s and 90s and it was a footnote in history class at best - there was certainly no in depth coverage or analysis. 
It seems many people have been unhappy with the Irish state response to it - presumably in terms of pressuring the British government to investigate probable collusion.  Why would the Irish state be reluctant to press the Brits about that though?
Simply put, it was totally down to the lack of interest by  the toxic sludge  FG/Lab coalition government of the day to do anything other than exploit it for their own interests.

Snapchap

Quote from: Tubberman on May 16, 2024, 08:44:46 PM
Quote from: Main Street on May 16, 2024, 07:59:58 PMThurs night.  21:35  RTE  Prime Time
Ahead of the fiftieth anniversary of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings, the programme asks why no-one was ever brought to justice

Dublin-Monaghan bomb gang investigator says 'there was collusion'

The officer leading the inquiry into the activities of the loyalist gang suspected of being responsible for the Dublin and Monaghan bombings has said he has no doubt there was collusion between the gang and the British security services.

Sir Iain Livingstone heads up Operation Denton, which is examining allegations relating to the activities of the so-called Glenanne Gang, which was based in County Armagh and Mid-Ulster during the Troubles, including its role in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.

There's been a lot on the radio over the past few days, but given the scale of the bombings in terms of civilian lives lost, its amazing how little has been said about it over the years.
I was in school in the 80s and 90s and it was a footnote in history class at best - there was certainly no in depth coverage or analysis. 
It seems many people have been unhappy with the Irish state response to it - presumably in terms of pressuring the British government to investigate probable collusion.  Why would the Irish state be reluctant to press the Brits about that though?

Well consider the reaction of the FG/Labour government in the aftermath. Their interest in the bombing evaporated once it became clear that they couldn't get away with blaming the IRA. It was better for them to deny the families truth/justice than allow, in the words of the Barron Report, "publicity which might have led to an increase in popular support for the IRA" by confirming loyalist and British state collusion.

The very day after the bombing, ministers in the Dáil made statements attempting to pin responsibility on the IRA.

Despite it being the single biggest mass murder of the troubles north or south and the largest mass murder in the history of the state, the FG/Lab government was found by the Barron Report to have had "little or no interest" in it. It refused to hold a national day of mourning and initially attempted to refuse to fly the national flag at half mast. It was not until 1993 that any government minister attended the annual commemoration.

The Gardai wound up its special investigation unit for the bombings within just 8 weeks of the attack and 'lost' vast amounts of evidence.

The Justice Department also refused to offer any documents to Barron and according to Barron, the Department's files on it subsequently went "missing in their entirety". These were the only Dept of Jusitce files from the era to go missing.

Even after the RUC said they had a number of suspects, the Gardai did not even ask for their names.

Then Taoiseach Liam Cosgrave even refused to assist the Dáil subcommittee on the Barron Report saying that he has "retired from public life". Up to his death he refused to give interviews or answer questions about the bombings.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Look-Up!

Shameful is not a strong enough word.

It really annoys me our government ministers are so quick to muddy the waters on any debate involving SF by dragging the troubles and IRA into it, but completely ball-less on this from day one to this day.

 A no warning bomb, in rush hour, looking for maximum footfall on innocent civilians, outside stores that sells school uniforms and such, in our capital city. Any other country the outrage would be seismic and it would be investigated to the ends of the earth. A lot of our leaders have a nerve to call themselves Irishmen or women.

Harold Disgracey

Potentially big news coming today in relation to Pat Finucane. Hillary Benn to make a statement in parliament later.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

gallsman

Jim Allister making us all proud again. Must have been hard on the Black Bush last night.


Jim Bob

A good time to announce that casement will be fully funded.

AustinPowers

Quote from: tiempo on September 11, 2024, 03:50:14 PMhttps://x.com/YesSirHumphrey/status/1294489316891254784

That tweet is  similar  to what I've been thinking since I heard about the enquiry

Seems too good to be true tbh. An enquiry won't guarantee  anything.  I believe this high  profile case was chosen as it will probably cost a lot of money. The outcome is already decided, so  the chances  of the real truth surfacing  is next to zero.

Public will go mad at the cost of it , nothing found,  collusion  is a myth. If we can't find nothing with the  police service, who "keep"  files, what chances with paramilitaries who dont have filing cabinets and  correspondence with headed notepaper? Now let's put a stop to this legacy nonsense. Money  would be better spent elsewhere.  We could have built four Casements with the money. Those at the top of the tree sleep soundly, reputations intact. Job done.