The ulster rugby trial

Started by caprea, February 01, 2018, 11:45:56 PM

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Syferus

Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2018, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on February 02, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
Some strange and bizarre opinions being offered here. Surely the sensible approach is to take in as much information as possible before deciding for certain what occurred.

Absolutely no winners in this case. Noticeable in TV reports I have seen that Jackson has family with him going to court each day whereas Olding is on his own.

Noticeable?

If anything it's Jackson who is dead to rights on this one given he was the instigator.

Family members and spouses/girlfriends regularly support their own whether it's obvious they're guilty or not. Either unwilling or unable to process the fact their own kin is capable of what they are accused of. It's not really notable at all with regards their innocence or guilt, PW.

He said 'noticeable', which it is, given the fact that he noticed it.

I don't know where you got 'notable' out of in your next paragraph.  It looks like you made it up.  And nowhere did he even mention innocence or guilt.

As the self-appointed chief virtue signaller on here, you should at least get the terminology right before correcting other posters.

You've immediately outed yourself for what you are using such rancid alt-right terminology. Whoops.

Franko

Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2018, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on February 02, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
Some strange and bizarre opinions being offered here. Surely the sensible approach is to take in as much information as possible before deciding for certain what occurred.

Absolutely no winners in this case. Noticeable in TV reports I have seen that Jackson has family with him going to court each day whereas Olding is on his own.

Noticeable?

If anything it's Jackson who is dead to rights on this one given he was the instigator.

Family members and spouses/girlfriends regularly support their own whether it's obvious they're guilty or not. Either unwilling or unable to process the fact their own kin is capable of what they are accused of. It's not really notable at all with regards their innocence or guilt, PW.

He said 'noticeable', which it is, given the fact that he noticed it.

I don't know where you got 'notable' out of in your next paragraph.  It looks like you made it up.  And nowhere did he even mention innocence or guilt.

As the self-appointed chief virtue signaller on here, you should at least get the terminology right before correcting other posters.

You've immediately outed yourself for what you are using such rancid alt-right terminology. Whoops.

Rancid? Alt-Right? Catch a grip!

Telling that you haven't amended your post yet.

seafoid



Frank Greaney

@FrankGreaney

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4h

"Northern Ireland footballers Will Grigg and Kyle Lafferty were also in VIP section that night. They'd just returned from Euros after being knocked out by Wales. The woman said she didn't know them but had heard of Grigg because of the song 'WILL GRIGG'S ON FIRE'"

Arlene may be called to give musical evidence
There was a clear shortage of VIPs.  The McGourtys were at home watching DVDS and MR2 was in the Fiver Club.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Syferus

Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2018, 05:07:22 PM


Frank Greaney

@FrankGreaney

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4h

"Northern Ireland footballers Will Grigg and Kyle Lafferty were also in VIP section that night. They'd just returned from Euros after being knocked out by Wales. The woman said she didn't know them but had heard of Grigg because of the song 'WILL GRIGG'S ON FIRE'"

Arlene may be called to give musical evidence
There was a clear shortage of VIPs.  The McGourtys were at home watching DVDS and MR2 was in the Fiver Club.

I have serious questions about where your head is at for you to be cracking lame jokes in the context of a horrible gang rape trial.

gallsman

The defense appears to be trying to hint that there was a "celebrity chaser" aspect to this girl and that she couldn't possibly have been clueless as to who these people were.

If nothing else, must be pretty bruising for the ego of some of these arseholes. I genuinely have no idea what either Olding or Will Grigg look like, wouldn't notice Lafferty unless someone pointed him out to me and would walk past Jackson on the street without batting an eyelid.

If they try to paint them as some big attractive celebrity they'll get laughed out of it

Frank_The_Tank

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Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: Franko on February 02, 2018, 04:56:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 04:45:30 PM
Quote from: PW Nally on February 02, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
Some strange and bizarre opinions being offered here. Surely the sensible approach is to take in as much information as possible before deciding for certain what occurred.

Absolutely no winners in this case. Noticeable in TV reports I have seen that Jackson has family with him going to court each day whereas Olding is on his own.

Noticeable?

If anything it's Jackson who is dead to rights on this one given he was the instigator.

Family members and spouses/girlfriends regularly support their own whether it's obvious they're guilty or not. Either unwilling or unable to process the fact their own kin is capable of what they are accused of. It's not really notable at all with regards their innocence or guilt, PW.

He said 'noticeable', which it is, given the fact that he noticed it.

I don't know where you got 'notable' out of in your next paragraph.  It looks like you made it up.  And nowhere did he even mention innocence or guilt.

As the self-appointed chief virtue signaller on here, you should at least get the terminology right before correcting other posters.

You've immediately outed yourself for what you are using such rancid alt-right terminology. Whoops.

Someone calls you out for a stupid post and you deflect and point something else out and come up with some other accusation about the poster rather than address the point they raised.  Still awaiting your response as to what mountain of evidence has convinced you 100% of their guilt a few days into a trial.  I'd be interested to see you lay it out?  You were in earlier posts already starting to question what the woman who walked in on it will say..what if she is a friend of Jackson etc.  You haven't even heard what she has to say yet ffs
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience

Milltown Row2

He's happier when attacking posters than dealing with the facts
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Syferus

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
He's happier when attacking posters than dealing with the facts

From the lad who claims to have read the report and immediately goes and contradicts it that's a bit rich. You opened yourself to attack by trying to shovel baseless dirt on the victim.

The fact some people try to hide their disbelief of the victim behind legalise or petty insults highlights that some part of their lizard brain tells them they're in hot water on this issue. It goes without saying that victim-blaming is abhorant and many of those who support its continuation don't even realise that's what they're doing.

Tony Baloney

Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
He's happier when attacking posters than dealing with the facts

From the lad who claims to have read the report and immediately goes and contradicts it that's a bit rich. You opened yourself to attack by trying to shovel baseless dirt on the victim.

The fact some people try to hide their disbelief of the victim behind legalise or petty insults highlights that some part of their lizard brain tells them they're in hot water on this issue. It goes without saying that victim-blaming is abhorant and many of those who support its continuation don't even realise that's what they're doing.
She's not a victim yet. She could have been a willing participant.

general_lee

Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2018, 05:20:21 PM
The defense appears to be trying to hint that there was a "celebrity chaser" aspect to this girl and that she couldn't possibly have been clueless as to who these people were.

If nothing else, must be pretty bruising for the ego of some of these arseholes. I genuinely have no idea what either Olding or Will Grigg look like, wouldn't notice Lafferty unless someone pointed him out to me and would walk past Jackson on the street without batting an eyelid.

If they try to paint them as some big attractive celebrity they'll get laughed out of it
Yes but you're not some naive 18/19 year old princess who would jump at the chance to pull an Ulster player... not saying this is the case with the alleged victim here but sadly there are girls who would throw themselves at certain people due to their perceived fame - much like jersey tuggers in GAA

Syferus

Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 02, 2018, 05:42:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
He's happier when attacking posters than dealing with the facts

From the lad who claims to have read the report and immediately goes and contradicts it that's a bit rich. You opened yourself to attack by trying to shovel baseless dirt on the victim.

The fact some people try to hide their disbelief of the victim behind legalise or petty insults highlights that some part of their lizard brain tells them they're in hot water on this issue. It goes without saying that victim-blaming is abhorant and many of those who support its continuation don't even realise that's what they're doing.
She's not a victim yet. She could have been a willing participant.

Explain why it's a court case, then. What does the woman get out of this added ordeal, one she was very reticent to even do at the time of the incident because of exactly your sort of reactions to it?

Frank_The_Tank

Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
He's happier when attacking posters than dealing with the facts

From the lad who claims to have read the report and immediately goes and contradicts it that's a bit rich. You opened yourself to attack by trying to shovel baseless dirt on the victim.

The fact some people try to hide their disbelief of the victim behind legalise or petty insults highlights that some part of their lizard brain tells them they're in hot water on this issue. It goes without saying that victim-blaming is abhorant and many of those who support its continuation don't even realise that's what they're doing.

Lizard brain now the latest insult to anyone who has the common sense to at least wait until a bit more of the case is heard before deciding on someone's guilt.  I imagine this is what it would be like debating something with Donald trump.
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2018, 05:38:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
He's happier when attacking posters than dealing with the facts

From the lad who claims to have read the report and immediately goes and contradicts it that's a bit rich. You opened yourself to attack by trying to shovel baseless dirt on the victim.

The fact some people try to hide their disbelief of the victim behind legalise or petty insults highlights that some part of their lizard brain tells them they're in hot water on this issue. It goes without saying that victim-blaming is abhorant and many of those who support its continuation don't even realise that's what they're doing.

Look crusader, I posted what was on the news, now you can talk shite all day and that's fine. Most sensible people will wait and see the whole side of the events and make the decision on the evidence, you're neither a lawyer solicitor or barrister..

Now you can find what I posted from what was said on the news, just like the link screen put up. Now run along there, there must have been a granny over charged in a taxi that you could help out!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

gallsman

Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2018, 05:45:51 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2018, 05:20:21 PM
The defense appears to be trying to hint that there was a "celebrity chaser" aspect to this girl and that she couldn't possibly have been clueless as to who these people were.

If nothing else, must be pretty bruising for the ego of some of these arseholes. I genuinely have no idea what either Olding or Will Grigg look like, wouldn't notice Lafferty unless someone pointed him out to me and would walk past Jackson on the street without batting an eyelid.

If they try to paint them as some big attractive celebrity they'll get laughed out of it
Yes but you're not some naive 18/19 year old princess who would jump at the chance to pull an Ulster player... not saying this is the case with the alleged victim here but sadly there are girls who would throw themselves at certain people due to their perceived fame - much like jersey tuggers in GAA

Of course there are, but without any specific evidence of it, it's easily refuted. It's Paddy Jackson living in the estate beside the BP on the Ravenhill, not David Beckham

Milltown Row2

She'd need to not any evidence of knowing Ulster or Irish Rugby to not know who he is.. Facebook and twitter accounts and other social media she may have will point towards if she knows these players..

Hopefully she doesn't have history of that info on her..
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea