Premier League 2021-22

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Captain Obvious

Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.

For those that think sport is just about who wins the trophies on offer can watch back on the reaction of the Everton players,management and supporters to the full time whistle this evening.

ONeill

Was talking to an Everton man tonight after it and he was shaking. You don't get that feeling at the other end of the table. What Everton fans experienced there was real visceral stuff by real diehards.
I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Capt Pat

Vieira could be in a bit of bother for lashing out at an Everton fan who was winding him up during the pitch invasion.

seafoid

Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner

Name one premier club who doesn't have a dreadful owner?

But yes, Usmanov (owner by proxy) has a history every bit as bad as Romans.


Armagh18

Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Did they not spend an absolute fortune in the last few years? Or why is he a bad owner?

imtommygunn

How he got his money. Oligarch territory.

Everton have spent a clean fortune and only for Covid would probably have been done for breaching FFP and might have had points deducted.

lurganblue

Quote from: Capt Pat on May 19, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
Vieira could be in a bit of bother for lashing out at an Everton fan who was winding him up during the pitch invasion.

Fan acting the ballix and got a boot in the hole. deserved it.

trileacman

Quote from: lurganblue on May 20, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 19, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
Vieira could be in a bit of bother for lashing out at an Everton fan who was winding him up during the pitch invasion.

Fan acting the ballix and got a boot in the hole. deserved it.

Agreed the only bad thing that happened was that he wasn't kicked twice as hard.
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seafoid

Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Did they not spend an absolute fortune in the last few years? Or why is he a bad owner?
Irish Times
The long-term problem at Everton is that no English club has to deal with a wider gap between expectation and reality. Everton fans know that with nine league titles they are still England's fourth-most-successful club, still ahead of the nouveau riche petro-superpowers, Manchester City and Chelsea. But many others in the game seem crassly unaware of this exceptional history, and sadly for Everton one of the people least heedful of it also happens to own the club.
   
The worst thing that ever happened to Everton was to be taken over in 2016 by a rich investor with the promise that they could spend their way back to the top. Majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri has certainly stumped up plenty of money. He has injected an estimated £450 million since 2016, meaning Everton have benefited from more owner financing than any other English club in that period,
More than half a billion pounds has been spent on new signings, but surveying their transfer business it is astonishing to see how little impact this spending has had. How have they failed to make it stick? One reason is that even with Moshiri's largesse, Everton did not yet have the standing to compete for the best players with the established powers. In their eagerness to make up ground they ended up overpaying for second-raters. Davy Klaasen, Alex Iwobi, Moise Keane, Jean-Phillippe Gbamin, Theo Walcott and Cenk Tosun all arrived for fees of around £20 million, and all failed hopelessly.The failure to attract genuinely top-tier talent was compounded by the inability to settle on a long-term direction in terms of club philosophy and playing style. Everton keep lurching in different directions. Moshiri's basic approach is to throw money at established names, but he never seems to have settled on an overarching vision of what kind of club he wants Everton to be.
Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible?
Steve Walsh was poached from Leicester to become the new director of football in 2016, after he was widely hailed as a genius for signing N'Golo Kante and Riyad Mahrez. Legend has it that Walsh wanted to sign Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and Erling Haaland for a combined £25 million, but instead he somehow ended up spending nearly 10 times that amount on the likes of Yannick Bolasie, Morgan Schneiderlin, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Michael Keane, and so on.
After two years Walsh made way for the Dutchman Marcel Brands, whose strategy of signing big-club cast-offs like Yerry Mina, Andre Gomes, Digne, Allan and James Rodriguez soon left Everton with a bunch of ... big-club cast-offs, all of whom were wrestling - with varying degrees of success - to overcome the personal disappointment of feeling they had come down in the world.
That feeling also seemed to afflict some of the managers Moshiri appointed, some of whom seemed to think themselves too good for the job. Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce have feuded with Everton since leaving, Carlo Ancelotti jumped ship at the first opportunity. Again, Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible? Questions such as whether the coach understands and can connect with Everton's culture and self-image are apparently never considered.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

nrico2006

Everton owner is as good as you get. He has put his money where his mouth is.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

Farrandeelin

Seeing as Everton are out of the relegation battle, who would most neutrals prefer to go down between Leeds and Burnley. I have no love for Leeds, but it would be some sort of justice if Burnley went down after them sacking Sean Dyche.
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thewobbler

Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Did they not spend an absolute fortune in the last few years? Or why is he a bad owner?
Irish Times
The long-term problem at Everton is that no English club has to deal with a wider gap between expectation and reality. Everton fans know that with nine league titles they are still England's fourth-most-successful club, still ahead of the nouveau riche petro-superpowers, Manchester City and Chelsea. But many others in the game seem crassly unaware of this exceptional history, and sadly for Everton one of the people least heedful of it also happens to own the club.
   
The worst thing that ever happened to Everton was to be taken over in 2016 by a rich investor with the promise that they could spend their way back to the top. Majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri has certainly stumped up plenty of money. He has injected an estimated £450 million since 2016, meaning Everton have benefited from more owner financing than any other English club in that period,
More than half a billion pounds has been spent on new signings, but surveying their transfer business it is astonishing to see how little impact this spending has had. How have they failed to make it stick? One reason is that even with Moshiri's largesse, Everton did not yet have the standing to compete for the best players with the established powers. In their eagerness to make up ground they ended up overpaying for second-raters. Davy Klaasen, Alex Iwobi, Moise Keane, Jean-Phillippe Gbamin, Theo Walcott and Cenk Tosun all arrived for fees of around £20 million, and all failed hopelessly.The failure to attract genuinely top-tier talent was compounded by the inability to settle on a long-term direction in terms of club philosophy and playing style. Everton keep lurching in different directions. Moshiri's basic approach is to throw money at established names, but he never seems to have settled on an overarching vision of what kind of club he wants Everton to be.
Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible?
Steve Walsh was poached from Leicester to become the new director of football in 2016, after he was widely hailed as a genius for signing N'Golo Kante and Riyad Mahrez. Legend has it that Walsh wanted to sign Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and Erling Haaland for a combined £25 million, but instead he somehow ended up spending nearly 10 times that amount on the likes of Yannick Bolasie, Morgan Schneiderlin, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Michael Keane, and so on.
After two years Walsh made way for the Dutchman Marcel Brands, whose strategy of signing big-club cast-offs like Yerry Mina, Andre Gomes, Digne, Allan and James Rodriguez soon left Everton with a bunch of ... big-club cast-offs, all of whom were wrestling - with varying degrees of success - to overcome the personal disappointment of feeling they had come down in the world.
That feeling also seemed to afflict some of the managers Moshiri appointed, some of whom seemed to think themselves too good for the job. Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce have feuded with Everton since leaving, Carlo Ancelotti jumped ship at the first opportunity. Again, Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible? Questions such as whether the coach understands and can connect with Everton's culture and self-image are apparently never considered.

Article hits the nail square on the head.

Everton will never return to being a contender whilst their transfer strategy consists of scouting then overpaying for players being cast off from the top 5-6 clubs.

It's all too easy to imagine their shortlist for the summer. Origi. Ake. Winks and N'Dombele. Chambers and Pepe. Lingard, Jones and Mata. The return of Barkley.

Cunny Funt

Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2022, 09:53:57 PM
Seeing as Everton are out of the relegation battle, who would most neutrals prefer to go down between Leeds and Burnley. I have no love for Leeds, but it would be some sort of justice if Burnley went down after them sacking Sean Dyche.

Agreed.

Jell 0 Biafra

Jaysis, Burnley made a good decision.  11 points out of 21 since they fired Dyche.  If they'd gone like that the whole season, they'd be looking at 52 points plus.

He'd been good with them, but it wasn't working any more.