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1.Darragh O'Malley
2.Seanie McDermott
3.Neil Collins
4.Niall McInerney
5.Cathal Cregg
6.Niall Daly
7.Ciaran Cafferkey
8.Tommy Corcoron
9.Cathal Compton
10.Fintan Cregg
11.Enda Smith
12.Ciaran Murtagh
13.Diarmuid Murtagh
14.Cathal Shine
15.Ultan Harney

Clifford is on the list of young gaelic footballers to watch in Australia in 2018.

Better than Gooch and will win more All Irelands than him

Is it a requirement that county league status determine the grade a club plays in? 

Certainly not so in Kerry, where the status is determined by senior, intermediate and junior club championships.  Win your level and you move up (with the exception of the occasional regrading year).  Kerry's county league exists to give non-county players regular games and nothing else it seems as there is no requirement that county men must be available for any league games. 

So why don't other counties adopt the same structure if it so good?

Not possible for other counties to adopt as especially in Munster and a lot top counties they have dual player issues. Hurling is only a hobby in Kerry and their hurlers have brought in a lot of outsiders. When you see 8 senior teams in Kerry and likes of Clare have 16 senior clubs. Its damaged limitation for other munster counties bar maybe Cork clubs in intermediate/junior football championships.

Any truth in the rumours/anyone know anything about/can confirm that two Kerry players allegedly had a big bust up in New York on the team trip recently? Ayone hear anything?One of the players was POTY a couple years ago supposed to be involved.

[3rd for Tyrone]

As I said he doesn't get it.

Any one have any idea why Tyrone cannot beat this bunch of Mayo players. Looking at some of the nonsense on hear it should have only been a matter of turning up. Surely they didn't bottle it

I'm the pragmatist here.

It has nothing to do with "me not getting it" and everything to do with that line you are using being a fallacy for those who do not want to engage in introspection and objective thinking.

The reason couldn't beat Mayo last year was because they weren't good enough, that's the be all and end all really as far as that goes - the players take that on the chin - they didn't throw their management team under the bus as a result.

Jesus christ man obviously they weren't good enough. But why. Why were Tyrone not good enough

We didn't take our chances, I thought there were instances when we were bullied by a more physical side. We made poor decisions in the final third. I think management deserved some criticism regarding persisting with having players hitting frees from outside their range and starting McShane who is still a little raw.

A bit like Kerry last year, we had the chances, our gameplan worked in effect but the players didn't profit on them and as such, introspection from the players is where the solution lies, if we're back again next year repeating the same mistakes then it's a massive worry. This Mayo team is on their 7th campaign this coming season as opposed to the the 3rd for Tyrone. Time is running out for Mayo.

Remember Mayo Playing Tyrone in 2013 in a semi final!  That's year 5 by my reckoning this coming season. So your progress has been slow, if there has been progress? You still rely on a lot of Sean Cavanagh for inspiration and time is running on for him also.

Massive change in the Tyrone side in that time, of the 20 players involved that day:

McConnell, Gormley, Carlin, O'Neill have all retired.

McKenna, McGinley, Mark Donnelly, Aidan Cassidy and Kyle Coney are no longer on the panel.

It's also quite probable that neither Joe McMahon and Conor Clarke will make the Championship squad this year.

On the other hand, 10 of the Mayo starting XV that played us in 2013 started this year's quarter final against us - only Cavanagh x2, McCarron Harte, Mattie Donnelly and McAliskey started the 2016 game for us.

This Mayo side has been around the block for a good 6 years now, bar Diarmuid O'Connor, Durcan, Harrison and Coen it seems to be more or less the same side as 2011. You have a lot of that side hitting their 30s now - Clarke, Higgins, Cafferkey, Boyle, Moran x2, Dillon, Barrett, S O'Shea are in and around that age group.

Tyrone really only have the McMahons, Cavanaghs and McCarron in that age bracket. Joe McMahon has only played about 100 minutes of Championship football in the last 3 seasons too.

In comparison, this Tyrone side still have it all to prove, but the age profile is a good bit younger than that of Mayo who have been on the road for quite a while.

Is Clarke knee fcuked? McGinley looked decent-where he gone to?

[D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan]

Its interesting 13/19 of team that lost to Longford in 2010 played league Championship/League for Mayo this year. Maybe JOM didnt do a bad job after all.

MAYO: D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan, T Howley, K McLoughlin; A O'Shea, P Harte; A Moran (0-2, 45), S O'Shea (0-1), A Freeman (0-5, one free); C Mortimer (0-2, one free), B Moran (0-1), A Dillon (0-3). Subs: L O'Malley for McLoughlin (35 mins), M Ronaldson for A O'Shea (42 mins), T Parsons for Howley (53 mins), WJ Padden for Harte (67 mins).

Or Maybe Rossie lad he made a Pigs Ear out of a Silk purse at the time?

It had been a good year up to that winning 6/7 games in league. Things went pear shaped after league final defeat to Cork.

[D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan]

Its interesting 13/19 of team that lost to Longford in 2010 played league Championship/League for Mayo this year. Maybe JOM didnt do a bad job after all.

MAYO: D Clarke; C Barrett, G Cafferkey, K Higgins; D Vaughan, T Howley, K McLoughlin; A O'Shea, P Harte; A Moran (0-2, 45), S O'Shea (0-1), A Freeman (0-5, one free); C Mortimer (0-2, one free), B Moran (0-1), A Dillon (0-3). Subs: L O'Malley for McLoughlin (35 mins), M Ronaldson for A O'Shea (42 mins), T Parsons for Howley (53 mins), WJ Padden for Harte (67 mins).

Is the O'Shea's father a selector with Mayo? Who was the player Aidan o'Shea was referring to in email?

I had huge respect for the two lads up until this point. I presume they did the interview at the counter in the Palace bar where the other dreg lives. Vindictave piece that leaves little in way of reply for the players, except that is if the County Board releases the mediators report from the incident. The appointment process, liason issues and all the other criteria that would provide balance in this case would show the players to have acted correctly. I hope in doing this interview the lads have found some form of closure, it's just a pity that's it's this they'll be remebered for and not their success on the field.
I sincerely hope the players put that article up in the dressing room wall when they get back from their well deserved holiday to South Africa next month.

Given that Dublin,
-Play 99% of their games in Croke Park
-Use the same dressing room and warm up at the same end of the pitch
-Have a couple of local ex heroin addicts as the warm up act before the All Ireland
-Have 10 times the population of Mayo
-Have 10 times the resources of Mayo and everyone else
-Have the host and main panelist on the Sunday Game
-Have the ref living and coaching in a dublin club
-Have the national media backing you because they sell more papers in Dublin
-Orchastrated a campaign to blacken the best player in the country
You'd think with all these advantages you'd be beating us out the gate and yet after 160 minutes of football you beat us by ONE point

dublin have since 2011 been the beneficiary of incredible latitude, be that the absolution of Reverend Fr Ger Brennan in that particular All Ireland final for what was beyond any doubt a straight Red offence perpetrated against Declan O'Sullivan,. That particular blatant failure by the referee in question let to Kevin McManimon equalising goal, '. going by a clearly concussed Declan O'Sullivan with impunity. They have since then managed to play every single match in Croke Park bar one, and on that occasion(first round of the championship 2016) Laois had to play the match in Nolan Park despite their opponents on the day Laois having a better and bigger home ground than Killkenny ..Just look at the HoHa Dublin are making out of playing a championship match outside of Croke Park for the first round of the championship in 2017,, it's not right, imagine those poor Dublin players having to play a match, where you might even hear a coilte accent, mind boggling how Dublin and the blatant biased Dublin media, RTE et al manage to ignore the fact, and continue to romance the greatness of a team that never had to play against a worthy opponent without the dice being loaded in their favour . In 2013 an attempt at a point by Bernard Brogan in the second half of the All Ireland final Versus Mayo which looked clearly wide on TV after several viewings was not brought to the attention of the 'Hawk_eye, same again in the 2016.All Ireland final, first attempt at a point of the second half (an attempted free from Dean Rock) clearly wide. There is more, but I feel a headache coming on,. Let's just accept the fact it's just NOT a level playing field. The recently deceased and great singer/songwriter 'Leonard Cohen' wrote several songs, one has the lines. 'Everybody knows that war is over, everybody knows that the good guy's lost'... On the subject of Tom Cunniffe and his utterances as regards the treatment of Noel and Pat, I'm guessing at this now, my feelings is that it's now coming to the end of 2016 and Tom to me seems to feel very bad about the whole affair, I:d say Tom (and I had the pleasure of meeting him a time or two) is of the opinion that he won't let this year end without doing something to put right, what he feels was an injustice of last year. I have no doubts but that Tom, too has the interest of Mayo at heart, as he is of no doubt too that Pat and Noel have,. No doubt also that many, with a different view inside the Mayo camp may have a contrary view to Tom's, and they too have what they see as Mayos best interests at heart. Anyway, no blame for that particular episode can be laid at the feet of Stephen Rochford so no harm will come out of it, in my view!

[if Leroy stuck ball over when 5 points up they were on way to victory]

What was so bad about the Holmes & Connelly regime though?
I think it's reasonable enough for Cunniffe to suggest that maybe the issues could have been worked out without going straight for the nuclear option.

if Leroy stuck ball over when 5 points up they were on way to victory. Having said that Rochford is a way better manager

That was at the start of the second half, not the turning point despite the common refrain.

Was a good 10-15 minutes into second half. Physiologically it would have lifted Mayo even more. James McCarthy scored a minute later which was the turning point in game. Hennelly not tying his laces didnt help either for first goal. If Mayo got to final and lost would they still called for H&C to step down?

It was earlier than the 10 minute mark IIRC and who scored the next point after James McCarthy's?

you are correct. Paddy Durcan scored after that?

[if Leroy stuck ball over when 5 points up they were on way to victory]

What was so bad about the Holmes & Connelly regime though?
I think it's reasonable enough for Cunniffe to suggest that maybe the issues could have been worked out without going straight for the nuclear option.

if Leroy stuck ball over when 5 points up they were on way to victory. Having said that Rochford is a way better manager

That was at the start of the second half, not the turning point despite the common refrain.

Was a good 10-15 minutes into second half. Physiologically it would have lifted Mayo even more. James McCarthy scored a minute later which was the turning point in game. Hennelly not tying his laces didnt help either for first goal. If Mayo got to final and lost would they still called for H&C to step down?

What was so bad about the Holmes & Connelly regime though?
I think it's reasonable enough for Cunniffe to suggest that maybe the issues could have been worked out without going straight for the nuclear option.

if Leroy stuck ball over when 5 points up they were on way to victory. Having said that Rochford is a way better manager

[Oh wait a minute, isin't this the same guy who got his black card rescinded in 2015 by committee headed by a retired supreme court judge on the morning of the 2015 replay.]

When the best footballer in country calls you a clown maybe the penny might drop for Brolly, I doubt it though.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/diarmuid-connolly-blames-rte-clown-for-black-card-rules-433881.html

Black card rule was passed at Congress 3 months before that Cavanagh's foul and Brolly's rant.
It's implementation was postponed till the following 1st January.
But don't let the truth get in the way of an urban myth.

Spot on. Looking forward to Brolly's response, he never forgets about a shot across his bows.

Not to restart All-Ireland thread again, but are his comments a tad hypocritical given his waving of the imaginary card after he was fouled by Lee Keegan.
Additionally, I wonder if he was asked about the pathetic PR job by his fellow county "clown" on RTE, made between the drawn game and the replay, what would his response be.

Oh wait a minute, isin't this the same guy who got his black card rescinded in 2015 by committee headed by a retired supreme court judge on the morning of the 2015 replay.

https://www.balls.ie/gaa/diarmuid-connolly-dra/309735

Was poor form by Connolly considering Leroy never appealed his red card for lashing out at Donnachadh Welsh against Kerry in 2014